Comments on: The Ex-Catcher is Awry http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Sun, 19 May 2013 02:11:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Normando http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78472 Normando Tue, 10 May 2011 22:15:46 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78472 Why is everyone so sure the guy can hit at the Major League level? He didn't exactly set the house on fire in Spring Training, and he's below .300 lifetime at Triple-A. It's not like he walks on water. Why is everyone so sure the guy can hit at the Major League level? He didn’t exactly set the house on fire in Spring Training, and he’s below .300 lifetime at Triple-A. It’s not like he walks on water.

]]> By: ny2ca2dc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78471 ny2ca2dc Tue, 10 May 2011 21:14:42 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78471 Ive enjoyed this post and the comments, but the answer seems so obvious. Po will be fine. If he's not by the deadline call up Jesus or trade for is year's version of Berkman. Don't trade Jesus for anyone short of a Felix calibre ace with years left. Or Hanley. Hanley would be fine too. Also, Romine sucks, he's trade bait. I'm just hoping Jesus can catch for a few years until he gets too big, after which point Gary Sanchez is the catcher of the future. Ive enjoyed this post and the comments, but the answer seems so obvious. Po will be fine. If he’s not by the deadline call up Jesus or trade for is year’s version of Berkman. Don’t trade Jesus for anyone short of a Felix calibre ace with years left. Or Hanley. Hanley would be fine too.

Also, Romine sucks, he’s trade bait. I’m just hoping Jesus can catch for a few years until he gets too big, after which point Gary Sanchez is the catcher of the future.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78470 Shaun P. Tue, 10 May 2011 20:16:07 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78470 [9] Absolutely right, Jon. The small sample caveats apply to both Posada and Montero. [9] Absolutely right, Jon. The small sample caveats apply to both Posada and Montero.

]]> By: MSM35 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78469 MSM35 Tue, 10 May 2011 20:05:10 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78469 Teams like Seattle and Florida are building their teams around Hernandez and Johnson. Why would they want to trade them to the Yankees? Sounds too much like talk radio. Actually, if Posada can't get it going it may be a good idea to use Nunez in the eight spot in front of Gardner and get a running game going. He could DH or give some rest to the older guys. Trading "A" prospects is never a good idea. They are the players who become the next generation of identification for the fans. Show a little patience. Talent plus experience equals success. There are no shortcuts. Teams like Seattle and Florida are building their teams around Hernandez and Johnson. Why would they want to trade them to the Yankees? Sounds too much like talk radio.
Actually, if Posada can’t get it going it may be a good idea to use Nunez in the eight spot in front of Gardner and get a running game going. He could DH or give some rest to the older guys.
Trading “A” prospects is never a good idea. They are the players who become the next generation of identification for the fans. Show a little patience. Talent plus experience equals success. There are no shortcuts.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78468 Jon DeRosa Tue, 10 May 2011 19:58:47 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78468 i just want to make sure that whatever they're gonna do, and whatever we're going to debate about, that we can stop including the first 24 games of the 2011 season as though they are the end all be all of montero's hitting ability. last year, people shied away when he hit .200 for the first two months and then he hit like frank thomas the rest of the way. this year, he has the PROBLEM of hitting .337 over 2 dozen games? what kind of backasswards analysis is that? he has had ample power and decent patience at every level including this one. neyer's comments are absurd. i just want to make sure that whatever they’re gonna do, and whatever we’re going to debate about, that we can stop including the first 24 games of the 2011 season as though they are the end all be all of montero’s hitting ability.

last year, people shied away when he hit .200 for the first two months and then he hit like frank thomas the rest of the way. this year, he has the PROBLEM of hitting .337 over 2 dozen games? what kind of backasswards analysis is that? he has had ample power and decent patience at every level including this one.

neyer’s comments are absurd.

]]> By: thelarmis http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78467 thelarmis Tue, 10 May 2011 19:48:39 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78467 [3] don't trade jesus. at this point, he might not bring back an ace level pitcher, since no one believes he'll stick at catcher and he hasn't shown a ton of power this year (yet). for all the talk about romine's defensive prowess, it pretty much seems to be just in relation to jesus; he's not johnny bench back there. and gary sanchez IS far behind. he's what - 18? he's in low-A charleston and has already allowed 11 passed balls in 22 games. josh johnson is all kindsa awesome and tonight should be a great matchup, with him going against doc halladay. but he's signed to a good deal w/ the fish, who are moving into a new stadium (next year, methinks). marlins signed john buck to catch this year and next and have a lot of young offensive talent w/ morrison, stanton, sanchez, ramirez and dominguez on the way. martin isn't a definite for us, next season. he's arb eligible and if he doesn't fade in the 2nd half, i imagine we'll bring him back. i'd like to see jesus in pinstripes and behind the plate, too! [3] don’t trade jesus. at this point, he might not bring back an ace level pitcher, since no one believes he’ll stick at catcher and he hasn’t shown a ton of power this year (yet). for all the talk about romine’s defensive prowess, it pretty much seems to be just in relation to jesus; he’s not johnny bench back there. and gary sanchez IS far behind. he’s what – 18? he’s in low-A charleston and has already allowed 11 passed balls in 22 games.

josh johnson is all kindsa awesome and tonight should be a great matchup, with him going against doc halladay. but he’s signed to a good deal w/ the fish, who are moving into a new stadium (next year, methinks). marlins signed john buck to catch this year and next and have a lot of young offensive talent w/ morrison, stanton, sanchez, ramirez and dominguez on the way.

martin isn’t a definite for us, next season. he’s arb eligible and if he doesn’t fade in the 2nd half, i imagine we’ll bring him back. i’d like to see jesus in pinstripes and behind the plate, too!

]]> By: a.O http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78466 a.O Tue, 10 May 2011 19:47:50 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78466 [5] I second everything there. If he does not start showing more power at Scranton, it would seem that his trade value has already peaked. But if he also can't catch -- and I think pretty much everyone thinks that already -- then his only non-trade value to the Yanks is to find out whether he really can consistently hit AL pitching later this year if Posada does not return to form. [5] I second everything there. If he does not start showing more power at Scranton, it would seem that his trade value has already peaked. But if he also can’t catch — and I think pretty much everyone thinks that already — then his only non-trade value to the Yanks is to find out whether he really can consistently hit AL pitching later this year if Posada does not return to form.

]]> By: Mattpat11 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78465 Mattpat11 Tue, 10 May 2011 19:46:43 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78465 If the Yankees trade Jesus Montero for backup infielders we should riot If the Yankees trade Jesus Montero for backup infielders we should riot

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78464 Chyll Will Tue, 10 May 2011 19:36:20 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78464 I'm amazed that the Yanks, for all the projections and concerns they've had for Montero over the years, had not even attempted to steer him toward another position early on. If they can't use him as a DH and they pretty much have in mind that he's a defensive liability, they have only themselves to blame for the fix they're in, wasting time and resources on him and not trading him at peak value. They've been sitting on the fence with Montero for too long; "he'll be such a good hitter, but what if he can't catch? What do we do, what do we do?" And how different is this from when they pretty much limited Posada's potential at the beginning of his career by platooning him with Girardi for three or four years? And that after moving him off second base in the minors? That said, I'm really for bringing him up the moment Posada says "ouch". If he's not up this season, he'll never be able to give the team what they want, never mind need. How do they get good value for him then? But please, don't trade the farm for one guy already in the midst of his prime. Been there, done that. I’m amazed that the Yanks, for all the projections and concerns they’ve had for Montero over the years, had not even attempted to steer him toward another position early on. If they can’t use him as a DH and they pretty much have in mind that he’s a defensive liability, they have only themselves to blame for the fix they’re in, wasting time and resources on him and not trading him at peak value. They’ve been sitting on the fence with Montero for too long; “he’ll be such a good hitter, but what if he can’t catch? What do we do, what do we do?”

And how different is this from when they pretty much limited Posada’s potential at the beginning of his career by platooning him with Girardi for three or four years? And that after moving him off second base in the minors?

That said, I’m really for bringing him up the moment Posada says “ouch”. If he’s not up this season, he’ll never be able to give the team what they want, never mind need. How do they get good value for him then?

But please, don’t trade the farm for one guy already in the midst of his prime. Been there, done that.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78463 Shaun P. Tue, 10 May 2011 19:16:04 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78463 [3] I think trading Montero is a mistake, for all the reasons I said last summer. =) The biggest reason is, the kid can hit, and he'll cost the Yanks the paltry sum of $1.5M for all of 2012, 2013, and 2014. That's the only way for the Yanks to have real payroll flexibility to deal with inevitable problems. [0] [1] Entirely apart from that, Alex is right. Its way too early to give up on Posada. Give him two extra singles per week for the 5 full weeks of the season that have been played, and his line is .252/.345/.454, and no one is complaining. [3] I think trading Montero is a mistake, for all the reasons I said last summer. =)

The biggest reason is, the kid can hit, and he’ll cost the Yanks the paltry sum of $1.5M for all of 2012, 2013, and 2014. That’s the only way for the Yanks to have real payroll flexibility to deal with inevitable problems.

[0] [1] Entirely apart from that, Alex is right. Its way too early to give up on Posada. Give him two extra singles per week for the 5 full weeks of the season that have been played, and his line is .252/.345/.454, and no one is complaining.

]]> By: Mac http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78462 Mac Tue, 10 May 2011 18:42:55 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78462 As much as I love watching young guys come up and succeed in pinstripes I would much rather them use him as a chip towards a top tier pitcher. That is where our true need is and I don't see this kids stock going higher if we bring him up as a DH /part time catcher. Martin is in place for the rest of this season and next. Romine is touted as a much better defensive catcher and he is also hitting pretty well in AA right now. Mr. Sanchez is not far behind him and is looking like a great offensive talent as well. Package Montero up with Bentances/Brackman for Josh Johnson and lets move on. As much as I love watching young guys come up and succeed in pinstripes I would much rather them use him as a chip towards a top tier pitcher. That is where our true need is and I don’t see this kids stock going higher if we bring him up as a DH /part time catcher.

Martin is in place for the rest of this season and next. Romine is touted as a much better defensive catcher and he is also hitting pretty well in AA right now. Mr. Sanchez is not far behind him and is looking like a great offensive talent as well.

Package Montero up with Bentances/Brackman for Josh Johnson and lets move on.

]]> By: rbj http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78461 rbj Tue, 10 May 2011 18:41:55 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78461 Yankees are still in first, Po has given a lot to the team, he's earned a bit more time. Though he could do a Mike Schmidt and just retire. Yankees are still in first, Po has given a lot to the team, he’s earned a bit more time. Though he could do a Mike Schmidt and just retire.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/10/the-ex-catcher-is-awry/#comment-78460 Alex Belth Tue, 10 May 2011 18:31:32 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=58429#comment-78460 I think it's too early to give up on yet. I think it’s too early to give up on yet.

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