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	<title>Comments on: Georgie Juiced One</title>
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		<title>By: Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgie faced a dilemma that most are overlooking: the indignity of batting ninth and then going hitless. Still, the gutsy thing would have been to bat ninth, determined to get a couple of hits. He is a starter, he was placed in the order. Given the message that his actions send to other players, especially the younger ones, I thought Girardi&#039;s press conference was generous. Imagine players lining up for their mental health days when they are embarrassed in advance about how they might perform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgie faced a dilemma that most are overlooking: the indignity of batting ninth and then going hitless. Still, the gutsy thing would have been to bat ninth, determined to get a couple of hits. He is a starter, he was placed in the order. Given the message that his actions send to other players, especially the younger ones, I thought Girardi&#8217;s press conference was generous. Imagine players lining up for their mental health days when they are embarrassed in advance about how they might perform.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 20:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[27] How?</description>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 19:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Georgie. I think that the Yankees should do more to help make the adjustment to DH before giving up on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Georgie. I think that the Yankees should do more to help make the adjustment to DH before giving up on him.</p>
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		<title>By: a.O</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing is just sad. I just hope (against reason) that Cashman and Girardi have the wisdom to see that this needs decisive action. The good of the team demands that this not drag out. Either cut him now or forget about it and keep him in the lineup. Even if it&#039;s the latter, how much longer can we go with our DH hitting like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing is just sad. I just hope (against reason) that Cashman and Girardi have the wisdom to see that this needs decisive action. The good of the team demands that this not drag out. Either cut him now or forget about it and keep him in the lineup. Even if it&#8217;s the latter, how much longer can we go with our DH hitting like this?</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 16:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have with the media in this case is the speculation was off the charts. During the game they went nuts trying to figure something out that was going to be addressed in a couple hours, fine; typical. But even after everyone involved had their say - and there was really no daylight between each account - media speculation continued seemingly unabated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have with the media in this case is the speculation was off the charts. During the game they went nuts trying to figure something out that was going to be addressed in a couple hours, fine; typical. But even after everyone involved had their say &#8211; and there was really no daylight between each account &#8211; media speculation continued seemingly unabated.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 16:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18] Problem with Sheehan&#039;s take is that Gardner has batted 9th more often than not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[18] Problem with Sheehan&#8217;s take is that Gardner has batted 9th more often than not.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyll Will</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/15/georgie-juiced-one/#comment-79688</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyll Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the speculation, when you examine the media, showed on a grander scale who is more reliable as an observer of this team and who is given more to their own bias and speculations; if all things were equal, who comes out looking more professional for trying to give the developing story due diligence vs those who reacted with conclusions in order to stay relevant to the growing audience. It&#039;s easy for the fans to speculate because we don&#039;t have immediate access to the principles, but I expect more from the reporters, some being more responsible than others, which prevented this from becoming a total disaster.

In the long run, cooler heads may have prevailed (how about that, Girardi&#039;s poll ratings went way up) and what is ultimately a method to try to get the team on the right track did not turn into a public relations or organizational meltdown on national television (despite FOX&#039;s best efforts to mine ratings gold).  In short, some of the reporters earned their stripes and some should be put on KP duty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the speculation, when you examine the media, showed on a grander scale who is more reliable as an observer of this team and who is given more to their own bias and speculations; if all things were equal, who comes out looking more professional for trying to give the developing story due diligence vs those who reacted with conclusions in order to stay relevant to the growing audience. It&#8217;s easy for the fans to speculate because we don&#8217;t have immediate access to the principles, but I expect more from the reporters, some being more responsible than others, which prevented this from becoming a total disaster.</p>
<p>In the long run, cooler heads may have prevailed (how about that, Girardi&#8217;s poll ratings went way up) and what is ultimately a method to try to get the team on the right track did not turn into a public relations or organizational meltdown on national television (despite FOX&#8217;s best efforts to mine ratings gold).  In short, some of the reporters earned their stripes and some should be put on KP duty&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Clarke Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 15:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Hawk here. Why does the Posada story become the &#039;where should Jeter bat&#039; story?&#039; Moving Posada at .160 from 7th to 9th is a legit move. What to do at top of order on a given night is a different one to make. I&#039;d have been more likely to SIT Posada for a game or two, if there was an obvious DH alternative vs righties, and that raises GM/roster issues.

There&#039;s a weird tendency for some to make everything be about Jeter. He can easily slide down the order, even to ninth on his stats, but that has zip to do with whether putting Posada down 2 spots was smart or not.

I&#039;ll acknowledge that that game, vs Boston, home, Fox wasn&#039;t all that great an exercise in &#039;player management&#039;. Slumps do that, even to managers, maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Hawk here. Why does the Posada story become the &#8216;where should Jeter bat&#8217; story?&#8217; Moving Posada at .160 from 7th to 9th is a legit move. What to do at top of order on a given night is a different one to make. I&#8217;d have been more likely to SIT Posada for a game or two, if there was an obvious DH alternative vs righties, and that raises GM/roster issues.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a weird tendency for some to make everything be about Jeter. He can easily slide down the order, even to ninth on his stats, but that has zip to do with whether putting Posada down 2 spots was smart or not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll acknowledge that that game, vs Boston, home, Fox wasn&#8217;t all that great an exercise in &#8216;player management&#8217;. Slumps do that, even to managers, maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 15:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[20] Oops just realized I said Sherman instead of Sheehan. Sorry bro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[20] Oops just realized I said Sherman instead of Sheehan. Sorry bro</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 15:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[18] I disagree with Sherman. It&#039;s a false comparison, Jeter and Posada. First of all, Posada has been ATROCIOUS.Like bottom of the league BAD. Also along those lines I give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt in how they size up the player&#039;s approach within the results, ie perhaps Jeter looked better than his production, or the problem seemed less entrenched than with Posada. They must have more faith in Jeter rounding into better form, if not classic Jeter form.

Jeter vs Gardner is equally shaky a proposition. Though I agree Gardner could or should probably be moved up to lead-off, Jeter has a much larger body of work to contrast with any cold streak he might be on. Gardner, when he starts stinking up the joint, it&#039;s easy to imagine he&#039;s just been a flash in the pan. Not to mention his lack of experience might dictate dropping him in the order so he doesn&#039;t put unnecessary pressure on himself.

The other problem with Jeter vs Posada is Posada was already batting 7th. Dropping him to 9th is not that large of a drop in the order. What are you going to do with Jeter? He&#039;d have to go from 1st to 7th or 8th, something really dramatic. I just think all around the comparison or contrast is extremely faulty. That&#039;s not to say Jeter doesn&#039;t get special treatment - maybe he does. But in this cases there are enough reasons for the different approaches to these players that that doesn&#039;t necessarily factor in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[18] I disagree with Sherman. It&#8217;s a false comparison, Jeter and Posada. First of all, Posada has been ATROCIOUS.Like bottom of the league BAD. Also along those lines I give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt in how they size up the player&#8217;s approach within the results, ie perhaps Jeter looked better than his production, or the problem seemed less entrenched than with Posada. They must have more faith in Jeter rounding into better form, if not classic Jeter form.</p>
<p>Jeter vs Gardner is equally shaky a proposition. Though I agree Gardner could or should probably be moved up to lead-off, Jeter has a much larger body of work to contrast with any cold streak he might be on. Gardner, when he starts stinking up the joint, it&#8217;s easy to imagine he&#8217;s just been a flash in the pan. Not to mention his lack of experience might dictate dropping him in the order so he doesn&#8217;t put unnecessary pressure on himself.</p>
<p>The other problem with Jeter vs Posada is Posada was already batting 7th. Dropping him to 9th is not that large of a drop in the order. What are you going to do with Jeter? He&#8217;d have to go from 1st to 7th or 8th, something really dramatic. I just think all around the comparison or contrast is extremely faulty. That&#8217;s not to say Jeter doesn&#8217;t get special treatment &#8211; maybe he does. But in this cases there are enough reasons for the different approaches to these players that that doesn&#8217;t necessarily factor in.</p>
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 14:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[2] Nomar did have two bad Achilles tendons. It did look bad at the time, and there were other issues. But in hindsight, his sitting (in accordance with medical staff orders) was correct.

I&#039;ve worked at a job (child care worker for developmentally disabled &amp; emotionally disturbed children - and you need both to get into the program) where we got two &quot;mental health&quot; days a year. jorge did screw up the handling of this, but I understand the frustration of the season; hell, I&#039;m frustrated watching the entire damn team not hitting. Jorge can&#039;t catch anymore, due to concussions. It&#039;s not a lack of ability, it&#039;s purely a brain health issue. Coming to grips with that is not only frustrating, it&#039;s also scary: you can&#039;t do what you did before, you can at best have a limited role, not because you&#039;ve got a bad knee but because your brain is damaged. And you aren&#039;t fitting in well with the new limited role and yes, there&#039;s frustration and anger and stuff. I&#039;m willing to give it a pass for a few days.

What I really don&#039;t like is sports writers tweeting speculations without having a chance to go directly to the sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[2] Nomar did have two bad Achilles tendons. It did look bad at the time, and there were other issues. But in hindsight, his sitting (in accordance with medical staff orders) was correct.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked at a job (child care worker for developmentally disabled &amp; emotionally disturbed children &#8211; and you need both to get into the program) where we got two &#8220;mental health&#8221; days a year. jorge did screw up the handling of this, but I understand the frustration of the season; hell, I&#8217;m frustrated watching the entire damn team not hitting. Jorge can&#8217;t catch anymore, due to concussions. It&#8217;s not a lack of ability, it&#8217;s purely a brain health issue. Coming to grips with that is not only frustrating, it&#8217;s also scary: you can&#8217;t do what you did before, you can at best have a limited role, not because you&#8217;ve got a bad knee but because your brain is damaged. And you aren&#8217;t fitting in well with the new limited role and yes, there&#8217;s frustration and anger and stuff. I&#8217;m willing to give it a pass for a few days.</p>
<p>What I really don&#8217;t like is sports writers tweeting speculations without having a chance to go directly to the sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Firstman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Firstman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 14:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping for the headline &quot;Posada&#039;s 9th Sympathy&quot; or somesuch.

Here is an interesting take from Joe Sheehan:
If batting ninth is warranted by his performance, perhaps he should just bat ninth and accept it. The thing is, it isn&#039;t. When you look at the baseball of it, Girardi&#039;s decision to bat Posada ninth is indefensible in light of the players involved, their performances, their skill sets, and how Girardi has handled Derek Jeter.

. . . The bigger problem won&#039;t change, and that&#039;s this: the Yankees have explicitly created a system where everyone else runs on one track, and Derek Jeter on another. Gardner didn&#039;t hit for two weeks and was dropped to the bottom of the order, and has yet to return despite running a 972 OPS since then. Posada posted a poor batting average for six weeks and was dropped to ninth. Jeter has basically had one good game, is the team&#039;s worst hitter against righties, and continues to stay atop the order. There&#039;s all this focus on the Yankees&#039; failures with runners in scoring position, and none on the fact that their lineup against righties, with Gardner eighth and Jeter first, nears maximum dysfunction. Moreover, this situation is only going to get worse as Brett Gardner&#039;s OBP climbs. Gardner was at .359 against righties entering last night, some 70-odd points above Jeter&#039;s mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping for the headline &#8220;Posada&#8217;s 9th Sympathy&#8221; or somesuch.</p>
<p>Here is an interesting take from Joe Sheehan:<br />
If batting ninth is warranted by his performance, perhaps he should just bat ninth and accept it. The thing is, it isn&#8217;t. When you look at the baseball of it, Girardi&#8217;s decision to bat Posada ninth is indefensible in light of the players involved, their performances, their skill sets, and how Girardi has handled Derek Jeter.</p>
<p>. . . The bigger problem won&#8217;t change, and that&#8217;s this: the Yankees have explicitly created a system where everyone else runs on one track, and Derek Jeter on another. Gardner didn&#8217;t hit for two weeks and was dropped to the bottom of the order, and has yet to return despite running a 972 OPS since then. Posada posted a poor batting average for six weeks and was dropped to ninth. Jeter has basically had one good game, is the team&#8217;s worst hitter against righties, and continues to stay atop the order. There&#8217;s all this focus on the Yankees&#8217; failures with runners in scoring position, and none on the fact that their lineup against righties, with Gardner eighth and Jeter first, nears maximum dysfunction. Moreover, this situation is only going to get worse as Brett Gardner&#8217;s OBP climbs. Gardner was at .359 against righties entering last night, some 70-odd points above Jeter&#8217;s mark.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 14:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really see this as a very confusing situation. There&#039;s no real disagreement among the principles as to what happened. Posada didn&#039;t claim he&#039;d mentioned the back or anything that contradicted what the other guys said. I think between watching the interviews with Cashman, Girardi and Posada, the picture is pretty clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really see this as a very confusing situation. There&#8217;s no real disagreement among the principles as to what happened. Posada didn&#8217;t claim he&#8217;d mentioned the back or anything that contradicted what the other guys said. I think between watching the interviews with Cashman, Girardi and Posada, the picture is pretty clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 14:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[9] There was some good, solid reporting and tweeting that went on last night amid the craziness. Sherman, Jack Curry and Ken Davidoff to name a few. And Kim jones may have had her best game in 5 years at YES. She was tremendous, both via Twitter and on camera. Girardi comes out of this looking the best, but this is a bad situation that will get worse before it gets better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[9] There was some good, solid reporting and tweeting that went on last night amid the craziness. Sherman, Jack Curry and Ken Davidoff to name a few. And Kim jones may have had her best game in 5 years at YES. She was tremendous, both via Twitter and on camera. Girardi comes out of this looking the best, but this is a bad situation that will get worse before it gets better.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hawk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 14:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] &quot;when was the last time Joe Girardi came off as the most forthright, honest and likable person a Yankee scandal?&quot;

That&#039;s exactly what I was saying last night. It must be the End Times!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] &#8220;when was the last time Joe Girardi came off as the most forthright, honest and likable person a Yankee scandal?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what I was saying last night. It must be the End Times!</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Clarke Era</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 13:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Checking back in after awhile away, to see what the Sages of Banter have to say about a depressing 10 days and Jorge ... happy to see OYF continuing to be a voice of reason (far as I&#039;m concerned!). Posada is intense, emotional and undoubtedly scared/worried/stressed about his hitting. 0-24 vs lefties? Ouch. End of the line is hard for everyone, and the shift was sudden and extreme ... 9th isn&#039;t 7th or 8th, 9th is a major message. (Not a wrong one on the field, but pretty dramatic in itself, and as others said, on Fox, vs Bosox, at home ... nowhere to hide as you step up to bat.)

I don&#039;t think anyone wants this to be it ... though it is very possible I am wrong, that Yankees are ready for another DH (Montero being grabbed in fantasy leagues all over the place).

It is still - and I know I say this almost every year - mid May. But a bad time to be facing Lester tonight, have to say. Rain would actually be good (and I don&#039;t remember ever thinking that!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Checking back in after awhile away, to see what the Sages of Banter have to say about a depressing 10 days and Jorge &#8230; happy to see OYF continuing to be a voice of reason (far as I&#8217;m concerned!). Posada is intense, emotional and undoubtedly scared/worried/stressed about his hitting. 0-24 vs lefties? Ouch. End of the line is hard for everyone, and the shift was sudden and extreme &#8230; 9th isn&#8217;t 7th or 8th, 9th is a major message. (Not a wrong one on the field, but pretty dramatic in itself, and as others said, on Fox, vs Bosox, at home &#8230; nowhere to hide as you step up to bat.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone wants this to be it &#8230; though it is very possible I am wrong, that Yankees are ready for another DH (Montero being grabbed in fantasy leagues all over the place).</p>
<p>It is still &#8211; and I know I say this almost every year &#8211; mid May. But a bad time to be facing Lester tonight, have to say. Rain would actually be good (and I don&#8217;t remember ever thinking that!).</p>
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		<title>By: randym77</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 13:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[9] Jorgie did speak to the press after the game.  He more or less went along with what Cashman and Girardi said.  Admitted that he didn&#039;t say anything about back spasms when he asked to be removed from the lineup.  Said he did have back spasms, but also needed time to clear his head.  Said he hoped to be back in the lineup today.  Seemed shocked when they asked him if he was considering retirement.  Expressed a bit of resentment at Cashman for talking to the press about the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[9] Jorgie did speak to the press after the game.  He more or less went along with what Cashman and Girardi said.  Admitted that he didn&#8217;t say anything about back spasms when he asked to be removed from the lineup.  Said he did have back spasms, but also needed time to clear his head.  Said he hoped to be back in the lineup today.  Seemed shocked when they asked him if he was considering retirement.  Expressed a bit of resentment at Cashman for talking to the press about the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 13:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[9] I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a big deal either. Now, it&#039;s a different story had Posada jumped the team, or left without making comments.

There was no press conference, Posada addressed the reporters at his locker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[9] I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a big deal either. Now, it&#8217;s a different story had Posada jumped the team, or left without making comments.</p>
<p>There was no press conference, Posada addressed the reporters at his locker.</p>
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		<title>By: randym77</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 13:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex said in the previous thread that Jorgie was probably &quot;terrified his career is coming to an end.&quot;  I think that&#039;s spot on.

I remember an interview a few years ago, where Posada talked about what it was like when former teammates came by the locker room to visit after they retired.  He said it was great to see them, and catch up, but before long, there was nothing left to say, because you had nothing in common any more.  He clearly saw a huge chasm dividing former and current players, and he didn&#039;t want to be on the other side.

This is reminding me of Bernie all over again.  I still remember the first time Torre pulled him for a pinch-runner.  Bernie looked so shocked and hurt.  It was clear to everyone that he didn&#039;t have any more.  Everyone except him.

Some players do walk away before they&#039;re forced out.  Mike Mussina comes to mind.  Torre said in his book that Jeter was the only player he knew who could walk away from baseball without missing it, but I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex said in the previous thread that Jorgie was probably &#8220;terrified his career is coming to an end.&#8221;  I think that&#8217;s spot on.</p>
<p>I remember an interview a few years ago, where Posada talked about what it was like when former teammates came by the locker room to visit after they retired.  He said it was great to see them, and catch up, but before long, there was nothing left to say, because you had nothing in common any more.  He clearly saw a huge chasm dividing former and current players, and he didn&#8217;t want to be on the other side.</p>
<p>This is reminding me of Bernie all over again.  I still remember the first time Torre pulled him for a pinch-runner.  Bernie looked so shocked and hurt.  It was clear to everyone that he didn&#8217;t have any more.  Everyone except him.</p>
<p>Some players do walk away before they&#8217;re forced out.  Mike Mussina comes to mind.  Torre said in his book that Jeter was the only player he knew who could walk away from baseball without missing it, but I wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 12:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we do know some facts:
1) Joe had Posada batting 9th
2) Posada pulled himself from the lineup, mentioning he had to clear his head. He did NOT mention any &#039;injury&#039;.
2a) If Po HAD said he had back spasms, Girardi would have told that to the press. Girardi had ABSOLUTELY NO motivation to lie about that. Quite the contrary, his life would have been much easier to simply say &quot;Yeah... his back is acting up, so we&#039;re giving him the day off.
2b) Had Po mentioned back spasms, my GUESS is he would have been receiving treatment during the game.

a) and b) and not known facts, but players being pulled before a game has happened thousands of times. We have seen what the manager says and what the trainer does. I think we can make safe conjecture here.

3) CONJECTURE:
After thinking aout it and cooling down, Po felt badly for acting out of anger/humiliation. He probably felt really shitty and a bit &#039;scared&#039; when it became a media event.

From Yahoo:
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&quot;In an unusual scene, the GM said Posada is not injured, &lt;b&gt;but wouldn’t comment on whether he had been insubordinate.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;
.... Would NOT comment: ie: was NOT thrown under the bus

A person familiar with the discussion between Posada and the team told The Associated Press that he “refused” to play. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the situation was still not settled.
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Have you ever said/did something out of anger that you regreted shortly thereafter? Especially if it blew up a bit?

Unfortunately, this is really a very small, common issue that was blown up by
1) it being the Yankees 2) the NY media 3) The fact it was Fox Night.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a big deal. I think Jorge should have played, but shit... everyone gets angry at times, and we know Posada is a red-ass. It&#039;s really no big deal, except for the media play. This is a situation where Po should say Sorry for not playing, Joe/Cash should say Sorry it turned embarassing, and then it will be done with.

By the way, didn&#039;t Po say he would have a press conference after the game? Did that happen? If it did, what went on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we do know some facts:<br />
1) Joe had Posada batting 9th<br />
2) Posada pulled himself from the lineup, mentioning he had to clear his head. He did NOT mention any &#8216;injury&#8217;.<br />
2a) If Po HAD said he had back spasms, Girardi would have told that to the press. Girardi had ABSOLUTELY NO motivation to lie about that. Quite the contrary, his life would have been much easier to simply say &#8220;Yeah&#8230; his back is acting up, so we&#8217;re giving him the day off.<br />
2b) Had Po mentioned back spasms, my GUESS is he would have been receiving treatment during the game.</p>
<p>a) and b) and not known facts, but players being pulled before a game has happened thousands of times. We have seen what the manager says and what the trainer does. I think we can make safe conjecture here.</p>
<p>3) CONJECTURE:<br />
After thinking aout it and cooling down, Po felt badly for acting out of anger/humiliation. He probably felt really shitty and a bit &#8216;scared&#8217; when it became a media event.</p>
<p>From Yahoo:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
&#8220;In an unusual scene, the GM said Posada is not injured, <b>but wouldn’t comment on whether he had been insubordinate.</b>&#8221;<br />
&#8230;. Would NOT comment: ie: was NOT thrown under the bus</p>
<p>A person familiar with the discussion between Posada and the team told The Associated Press that he “refused” to play. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the situation was still not settled.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Have you ever said/did something out of anger that you regreted shortly thereafter? Especially if it blew up a bit?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this is really a very small, common issue that was blown up by<br />
1) it being the Yankees 2) the NY media 3) The fact it was Fox Night.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a big deal. I think Jorge should have played, but shit&#8230; everyone gets angry at times, and we know Posada is a red-ass. It&#8217;s really no big deal, except for the media play. This is a situation where Po should say Sorry for not playing, Joe/Cash should say Sorry it turned embarassing, and then it will be done with.</p>
<p>By the way, didn&#8217;t Po say he would have a press conference after the game? Did that happen? If it did, what went on?</p>
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