Comments on: Burnett or Fade Away? http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Sat, 25 May 2013 13:30:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: briang http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91543 briang Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:15:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91543 "amen" good post. i constantly root for this guy and i don't curse him as much as i could. i was looking at his game log the other day and it's not that bad at all. 6 to 8 inning, 2 to 4 runs...except the white sox bummer. give him the ball. hughes stinks too. the yanks just gotta score in his starts. let's go AJ. let's go NOW!!!!!! “amen”

good post. i constantly root for this guy and i don’t curse him as much as i could. i was looking at his game log the other day and it’s not that bad at all. 6 to 8 inning, 2 to 4 runs…except the white sox bummer. give him the ball. hughes stinks too. the yanks just gotta score in his starts. let’s go AJ. let’s go NOW!!!!!!

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91542 Sliced Bread Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:29:45 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91542 (7) ah, yes, the little girl with the curl. Yeah, Sterling and Kay have beaten that to death. but the cliche fits so you must acquit, as Johnnie Cochran would say. ice cream is always the solution, too! (7) ah, yes, the little girl with the curl. Yeah, Sterling and Kay have beaten that to death. but the cliche fits so you must acquit, as Johnnie Cochran would say.

ice cream is always the solution, too!

]]> By: ny2ca2dc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91541 ny2ca2dc Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:50:27 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91541 To elaborate a bit, we went thru this with Moose a few years ago (as IPK took his spot, mas or menos), and he came back the next year and won 20 in a brilliant renaissance. Granted Moose was just the guy you'd expect to do that, and AJ just the guy you'd bet against, but it's worth a shot. He can still compete for (or be penciled into) the rotation next year. He can be our own little Timmy Wakefield, with just a slightly different repertoire and contract. To elaborate a bit, we went thru this with Moose a few years ago (as IPK took his spot, mas or menos), and he came back the next year and won 20 in a brilliant renaissance. Granted Moose was just the guy you’d expect to do that, and AJ just the guy you’d bet against, but it’s worth a shot. He can still compete for (or be penciled into) the rotation next year. He can be our own little Timmy Wakefield, with just a slightly different repertoire and contract.

]]> By: ny2ca2dc http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91540 ny2ca2dc Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:45:08 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91540 Assuming Hughes is solid in his next turn, AJ needs to take a little sabbatical: BP, DL, whatever. Assuming Hughes is solid in his next turn, AJ needs to take a little sabbatical: BP, DL, whatever.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91539 RIYank Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:26:33 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91539 [7] Indeed. I logged on to post <i>once</i> during that game, and it was right at that moment, to excoriate Girardi for that IBB. [7] Indeed.
I logged on to post once during that game, and it was right at that moment, to excoriate Girardi for that IBB.

]]> By: Will Weiss http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91538 Will Weiss Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:02:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91538 [4] She's supposed to be "the little girl with the curl", which Kay and Sterling have annoyingly taken as the most apt and cliched means of analyzing Mr. Burnett. What does she suggest? Ice cream. [5] Agreed. The missed point about Tuesday's mess was that Girardi set him up to fail. By issuing the IBB to Izturis, you're basically telling your No.2 starter that you don't believe he can retire the 8th place hitter in the lineup. Yes, he still has to make the pitches, but your manager has to show confidence in you, in order to help you bolster your own confidence, right? [4] She’s supposed to be “the little girl with the curl”, which Kay and Sterling have annoyingly taken as the most apt and cliched means of analyzing Mr. Burnett. What does she suggest? Ice cream.

[5] Agreed. The missed point about Tuesday’s mess was that Girardi set him up to fail. By issuing the IBB to Izturis, you’re basically telling your No.2 starter that you don’t believe he can retire the 8th place hitter in the lineup. Yes, he still has to make the pitches, but your manager has to show confidence in you, in order to help you bolster your own confidence, right?

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91537 ms october Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:39:40 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91537 [5] yeah that has been my preferred solution too. put him on the dl. if there is something mechanical to work on do so. if their is fatigue let him ret some. keep him from messing up a chance at the al east. and if there is a need to get him back in the rotation due to an actual injury or someone else not pitching well insert him into the rotation. [5] yeah that has been my preferred solution too.
put him on the dl. if there is something mechanical to work on do so. if their is fatigue let him ret some. keep him from messing up a chance at the al east. and if there is a need to get him back in the rotation due to an actual injury or someone else not pitching well insert him into the rotation.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91536 RIYank Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:21:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91536 Seems like the best solution is to give Burnett some kind of a 'break'. DL would be good. Because as you say, Will, even though he's been the worst of the six, it could easily happen that Colon, Garcia, or Hughes will blow up or fizzle out at any time, so it's important to have AJ ready to go back in, if they do pull him out of the rotation. This <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2011/08/12/2011-08-12_joe_going_with_party_of_five.html?r=sports%2Fbaseball%2Fyankees&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbaseball%2Fyankees+%28Sports%2FBaseball%2FYankees%29" rel="nofollow">Feinsand and Brennan article</a> gives me some hope that this is exactly what Girardi is working his way towards. Seems like the best solution is to give Burnett some kind of a ‘break’. DL would be good. Because as you say, Will, even though he’s been the worst of the six, it could easily happen that Colon, Garcia, or Hughes will blow up or fizzle out at any time, so it’s important to have AJ ready to go back in, if they do pull him out of the rotation.

This Feinsand and Brennan article gives me some hope that this is exactly what Girardi is working his way towards.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91535 Sliced Bread Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:59:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91535 (0) good stuff, by the way, Will. Who's the adorable little girl in the photo, and what does she suggest we do with Burnett? (0) good stuff, by the way, Will. Who’s the adorable little girl in the photo, and what does she suggest we do with Burnett?

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91534 Sliced Bread Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:52:48 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91534 by now, we (not including Girardi) all know AJ has to work with a short leash. Even if he's grooving the slightest breeze can knock him off course. For now, the short leash should be used to guide him straight to the DL. He needs a break as much as the Yankees need a break from him. This is Cashman's job now. by now, we (not including Girardi) all know AJ has to work with a short leash. Even if he’s grooving the slightest breeze can knock him off course.
For now, the short leash should be used to guide him straight to the DL. He needs a break as much as the Yankees need a break from him.
This is Cashman’s job now.

]]> By: Will Weiss http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91533 Will Weiss Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:17:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91533 [1] Good points all. ... And he could very well be a lunkhead. Here's the thing, though, there isn't a catcher in the game right now who calls pitches. The sequences are determined in pregame meetings with the pitching coach, catcher, and the pitching staff. They may just make some changes on the fly. I'll give J Martin the benefit of the doubt there. ... He's Nuke LaLoosh. Really. Get him to breathe out of his eyelids, wear a garter or something, and be done with it. He's a guy who needs to have his butt kicked every once in a while on the mound, and that's OK. ... Someone just needs to be willing to do it. [1] Good points all. … And he could very well be a lunkhead. Here’s the thing, though, there isn’t a catcher in the game right now who calls pitches. The sequences are determined in pregame meetings with the pitching coach, catcher, and the pitching staff. They may just make some changes on the fly. I’ll give J Martin the benefit of the doubt there. … He’s Nuke LaLoosh. Really. Get him to breathe out of his eyelids, wear a garter or something, and be done with it. He’s a guy who needs to have his butt kicked every once in a while on the mound, and that’s OK. … Someone just needs to be willing to do it.

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/08/12/burnett-or-fade-away/#comment-91532 ms october Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:09:14 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=64802#comment-91532 just a few of my thoughts/complaints on the whole aj/rotation situation: - if he stays in the rotation the chessmaster needs to have an even shorter leash. in his last start he should have been pulled before the intentional walk. - i also agree that i'm not fully sold on hughes, but i would rather he get a chance to improve as i don't think there is improvement to be had from aj. - almost every aj start includes a a costly fuck up that is demoralizing to me and based on comments many yankee fans. does his shit have an impact on the yankees? if so, more reason to drop him from the rotation. in a typical work place it is hard to have someone in your department who is often not pulling their weight - it starts to impact everyone in the department (maybe that's why the yankees played like they hated jeff weaver). - aj tried throw russ under the bus in his start before last - saying the pitch sequence was too predictable. that's a bs move. you really only have two pitches and you are the pitcher - if you don't like what the catcher is calling shake him off or call your own game. - also in his press conferences it is the same god damn broken record after every game. "i really wouldn't change anything." "i would just want that one pitch back." "i'll just have to do it in 5 days." this is pure speculation, but it doesn't seem that he is able to recognize what he needs to do differently or better. - at some point when the yanks recognize that he is costing the team games and there are clear upgrades on him he needs to be treated as a sunk cost. just pick up most of his salary and get a nice bench player for him. just a few of my thoughts/complaints on the whole aj/rotation situation:

- if he stays in the rotation the chessmaster needs to have an even shorter leash. in his last start he should have been pulled before the intentional walk.
- i also agree that i’m not fully sold on hughes, but i would rather he get a chance to improve as i don’t think there is improvement to be had from aj.
- almost every aj start includes a a costly fuck up that is demoralizing to me and based on comments many yankee fans. does his shit have an impact on the yankees? if so, more reason to drop him from the rotation. in a typical work place it is hard to have someone in your department who is often not pulling their weight – it starts to impact everyone in the department (maybe that’s why the yankees played like they hated jeff weaver).
- aj tried throw russ under the bus in his start before last – saying the pitch sequence was too predictable. that’s a bs move. you really only have two pitches and you are the pitcher – if you don’t like what the catcher is calling shake him off or call your own game.
- also in his press conferences it is the same god damn broken record after every game. “i really wouldn’t change anything.” “i would just want that one pitch back.” “i’ll just have to do it in 5 days.”
this is pure speculation, but it doesn’t seem that he is able to recognize what he needs to do differently or better.
- at some point when the yanks recognize that he is costing the team games and there are clear upgrades on him he needs to be treated as a sunk cost. just pick up most of his salary and get a nice bench player for him.

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