Comments on: Center Stage

By: BobbyB

BobbyB — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:19:38 +0000

I don’t see it, either. He looks good to me. a.O’s comments are the same as those on tonight in baseball last night but I just don’t see it. Anyone can take two tapes and say he’s does not go back on balls well and does not always take the right route. That can be said of any outfielder I’ve ever watched. Also, weeping for makes a good point about Gardner taking a lot of balls. He’s MVP in my book.

By: a.O

a.O — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:05:36 +0000

I have noticed some weaknesses in Granderson’s defense in CF.

Specifically, he plays shallow (which I like), but he does not go back on balls well. I feel like sometimes he does not see balls that are hit on a line well. He also does not have a great release, meaning that he takes a little longer than he should to throw after making a catch. The release is easily fixable, and could make a big difference for him because I think he has an above-average (not great) arm.

With all that said, I do not think Granderson is a below-average defender in CF. And I have no idea whether any of the defensive metrics are measuring what I have observed.

By: weeping for brunnhilde

weeping for brunnhilde — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:55:15 +0000

A couple of the comments in the thread seem apt: maybe Granderson’s numbers are adversely affected by having Gardner steal a higher percentage of putouts than your average leftfielder, thus making it look like Granderson has a range problem.

Again, I can but shrug.

By: RIYank

RIYank — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:51:31 +0000

I’m too lazy to look into how BP, BRef, and Fangraphs measure defense. But there are well known issues with all defensive metrics when used over small samples — and ‘small’ in this case includes a full season. Just look at how wildly Fangraphs’ rating of Curtis varies from year to year, for example.

Some metrics just count balls hit into zone. If one year a whole lot of balls in an OF’s zone are gappers, he’ll look terrible; if the next year they are hit right to him, he looks great. A more interesting issue is that if, say, Brett is covering ground that Curtis is assigned by the stat, then Curtis gets penalized. (This is true only of some of the metrics.)

It’s a problem, because trusting what you see is only partly reasonable. There are plenty of illusions that we’re all susceptible to. But trusting UZR, or whatever, to tell you how well a player is doing this year is even more problematic.

By: weeping for brunnhilde

weeping for brunnhilde — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:50:41 +0000

This is weird. I haven’t noticed any gaping deficiencies in Granderson’s defense, either. As Goldman says, poor fielding, even with respect to range, is usually apparent (Derek, Bernie, whoever).

So all I have to say is: *shrug*.

By: Just Fair

Just Fair — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:37:02 +0000

I can’t wrap my brain around fielding stats, either. My lying eyes tell me Curtis is doing just fine out there. I did see Austin Jackson on the highlght shows last night robbing 2 homers from last week. Good stuff. I’d still take Curtis every day of the week and twice on Sunday.