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		<title>By: ejeancarroll</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/09/22/rotisserie-daze/#comment-268376</link>
		<dc:creator>ejeancarroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, you write about fantasy baseball like Hemingway writes about bulls. And I LURVED the photos!  Your dad comes through as he is in real life----a frickin GOD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, you write about fantasy baseball like Hemingway writes about bulls. And I LURVED the photos!  Your dad comes through as he is in real life&#8212;-a frickin GOD!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15) I&#039;d include foul balls. Who had the most foul balls, and assorted stupid shit like who walked out of the batter&#039;s box the most, who spit the most, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15) I&#8217;d include foul balls. Who had the most foul balls, and assorted stupid shit like who walked out of the batter&#8217;s box the most, who spit the most, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: RagingTartabull</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/09/22/rotisserie-daze/#comment-268374</link>
		<dc:creator>RagingTartabull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[14] oh sure, Yahoo lets you customize it however you want. A few years ago we replaced Saves with Holds just for the hell of it...it was weeeeeird. Hideki Okajima was basically the MVP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[14] oh sure, Yahoo lets you customize it however you want. A few years ago we replaced Saves with Holds just for the hell of it&#8230;it was weeeeeird. Hideki Okajima was basically the MVP.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I didn&#039;t know that so many leagues are different. Seems like you could really have different kinds of games then. Cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I didn&#8217;t know that so many leagues are different. Seems like you could really have different kinds of games then. Cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun P.</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/09/22/rotisserie-daze/#comment-268372</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[10] It can, it depends on the way the league is set up.  Most &quot;standard 5x5&quot; leagues don&#039;t use OBP - its AVG, R, HR, RBI, and SB for the hitters, W, K, SV, ERA, WHIP for the pitchers (hence the name).

Some folks customize their leagues differently.  The league I&#039;ve played in the longest started using OBP in 2003, for example, and we added SLG in 2005 I think.

[8] Nick, great job on the writing.  I watched &quot;Silly Little Game&quot; the night it premiered on ESPN and I remember it fondly now.  I&#039;ve been playing rotisserie/fantasy baseball in some form since 1990 and remember as a kid hearing the stories about how it all started and wanting to know more.  It was great to finally get some of those old questions answered.

[7] Kids today - don&#039;t know how lucky they have it. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[10] It can, it depends on the way the league is set up.  Most &#8220;standard 5&#215;5&#8243; leagues don&#8217;t use OBP &#8211; its AVG, R, HR, RBI, and SB for the hitters, W, K, SV, ERA, WHIP for the pitchers (hence the name).</p>
<p>Some folks customize their leagues differently.  The league I&#8217;ve played in the longest started using OBP in 2003, for example, and we added SLG in 2005 I think.</p>
<p>[8] Nick, great job on the writing.  I watched &#8220;Silly Little Game&#8221; the night it premiered on ESPN and I remember it fondly now.  I&#8217;ve been playing rotisserie/fantasy baseball in some form since 1990 and remember as a kid hearing the stories about how it all started and wanting to know more.  It was great to finally get some of those old questions answered.</p>
<p>[7] Kids today &#8211; don&#8217;t know how lucky they have it. <img src='http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NF</title>
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		<dc:creator>NF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[10] I&#039;d love to play in a progressive league. The two I play in, though, are 4x4 and 5x5 respectively: HR, RBI, SB, BA, ERA, WHIP, SV, W (K / R, too, in the 5x5).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[10] I&#8217;d love to play in a progressive league. The two I play in, though, are 4&#215;4 and 5&#215;5 respectively: HR, RBI, SB, BA, ERA, WHIP, SV, W (K / R, too, in the 5&#215;5).</p>
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		<title>By: RagingTartabull</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in my league this year we replaced BA with OPS and ERA with WHIP


and I still finished 8th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my league this year we replaced BA with OPS and ERA with WHIP</p>
<p>and I still finished 8th.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8) So OBP doesn&#039;t count in fantasy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8) So OBP doesn&#8217;t count in fantasy?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon DeRosa</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/09/22/rotisserie-daze/#comment-268368</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon DeRosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[3] Yes and no. Statistically, it&#039;s about the same. And you get attachments to guys that succeed for you. But you could never have any warmth for a Cervelli type player like we do here because he&#039;d just crush your stats.

One year, two guys were fighting it out for the title. The player in first, by half a point, was vulnerable in saves, but the guy behind him in saves hadn&#039;t logged in a month, so he chucked all his closers to sure up other areas. The other contender called up #2 in saves and convinced him to log in and pick up the discarded closers. On the final day of the season, Mike DeJean picked up a save that swung the standings half a point and the front runner lost. 

To this day, the winner still calls up the loser at work and tells the receptionist that Mike DeJean is on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[3] Yes and no. Statistically, it&#8217;s about the same. And you get attachments to guys that succeed for you. But you could never have any warmth for a Cervelli type player like we do here because he&#8217;d just crush your stats.</p>
<p>One year, two guys were fighting it out for the title. The player in first, by half a point, was vulnerable in saves, but the guy behind him in saves hadn&#8217;t logged in a month, so he chucked all his closers to sure up other areas. The other contender called up #2 in saves and convinced him to log in and pick up the discarded closers. On the final day of the season, Mike DeJean picked up a save that swung the standings half a point and the front runner lost. </p>
<p>To this day, the winner still calls up the loser at work and tells the receptionist that Mike DeJean is on the line.</p>
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		<title>By: NF</title>
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		<dc:creator>NF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, thanks for the kind words, guys. 

I think the defense, the hustle, the small ball is lost in the fantasy world for the offensive dudes. For the hitters, it&#039;s all about the sexy counting stats. Matt Kemp was a pretty good fantasy player in 2010 (albeit disappointing) when he hit ~30 HR, stole ~20 bases, drove in ~90 runs, scored ~80 times, even though he hit .250. What&#039;s totally lost in the fantasy world is how terrible he was on defense (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&amp;stats=bat&amp;lg=all&amp;qual=y&amp;type=8&amp;season=2010&amp;month=0&amp;season1=2010&amp;ind=0.... worst player in the league defensively), how he got caught 15 times to his 19 SB, how he was barely above replacement level (.3 wins added above replacement, per fangraphs). So basically, this seems like the typical case of the fantasy world valuing a (once) average player as a superstar because he&#039;s really, really good at RBI, HR, SB.

Then again, a normal Dodgers fan could spot how bad and lost Matt Kemp was in 2010, and that too is the case sometimes. It&#039;s an interesting question that Carson Cistulli tries to answer in a sense at FanGraphs through WAR vs. FANTS value. The problem there is that a typical fan may not value a certain player based on WAR and rather how fun they are to watch (something Cistulli also tries to answer)

--http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/leaderboards-of-pleasure-91911/--

Pitchers are more of the same; it&#039;s all about which metrics you prefer. I think an average fan would be familiar with and use K&#039;s, Wins, ERA to paint a value of a pitcher first, and then you&#039;d agree with fantasy values. If you&#039;re more of a follower of sabermetrics, you&#039;ll value a guy like Sabathia based on FIP or War. Pick your side, I guess.


Does that make any sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, thanks for the kind words, guys. </p>
<p>I think the defense, the hustle, the small ball is lost in the fantasy world for the offensive dudes. For the hitters, it&#8217;s all about the sexy counting stats. Matt Kemp was a pretty good fantasy player in 2010 (albeit disappointing) when he hit ~30 HR, stole ~20 bases, drove in ~90 runs, scored ~80 times, even though he hit .250. What&#8217;s totally lost in the fantasy world is how terrible he was on defense (<a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&#038;stats=bat&#038;lg=all&#038;qual=y&#038;type=8&#038;season=2010&#038;month=0&#038;season1=2010&#038;ind=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&#038;stats=bat&#038;lg=all&#038;qual=y&#038;type=8&#038;season=2010&#038;month=0&#038;season1=2010&#038;ind=0</a>&#8230;. worst player in the league defensively), how he got caught 15 times to his 19 SB, how he was barely above replacement level (.3 wins added above replacement, per fangraphs). So basically, this seems like the typical case of the fantasy world valuing a (once) average player as a superstar because he&#8217;s really, really good at RBI, HR, SB.</p>
<p>Then again, a normal Dodgers fan could spot how bad and lost Matt Kemp was in 2010, and that too is the case sometimes. It&#8217;s an interesting question that Carson Cistulli tries to answer in a sense at FanGraphs through WAR vs. FANTS value. The problem there is that a typical fan may not value a certain player based on WAR and rather how fun they are to watch (something Cistulli also tries to answer)</p>
<p>&#8211;http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/leaderboards-of-pleasure-91911/&#8211;</p>
<p>Pitchers are more of the same; it&#8217;s all about which metrics you prefer. I think an average fan would be familiar with and use K&#8217;s, Wins, ERA to paint a value of a pitcher first, and then you&#8217;d agree with fantasy values. If you&#8217;re more of a follower of sabermetrics, you&#8217;ll value a guy like Sabathia based on FIP or War. Pick your side, I guess.</p>
<p>Does that make any sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick&#039;s never known life before The Core Four, bless his heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick&#8217;s never known life before The Core Four, bless his heart.</p>
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		<title>By: RagingTartabull</title>
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		<dc:creator>RagingTartabull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this was great, good job Nick.

but damn it made me feel old!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this was great, good job Nick.</p>
<p>but damn it made me feel old!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/09/22/rotisserie-daze/#comment-268364</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4) No, seriously, I think I know in general, but since I don&#039;t have much experience with fantasy baseball, I&#039;m curious. Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4) No, seriously, I think I know in general, but since I don&#8217;t have much experience with fantasy baseball, I&#8217;m curious. Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/09/22/rotisserie-daze/#comment-268363</link>
		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[3] Belth asking himself a question again.

Nick, that&#039;s good work. Very professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[3] Belth asking himself a question again.</p>
<p>Nick, that&#8217;s good work. Very professional.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/09/22/rotisserie-daze/#comment-268362</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3) Are the ways you value a fantasy player the same way you would value them as a normal fan, or even if you were a GM or a manager?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3) Are the ways you value a fantasy player the same way you would value them as a normal fan, or even if you were a GM or a manager?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon DeRosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon DeRosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing, Nick! Diet Coke at four? 

This was my first year in over a decade w/o fantasy baseball, and I have to say, I&#039;m not missing it as much as I thought. 

But I am amazed at the things I don&#039;t know, which used to be routine. I don&#039;t know who&#039;s having a good year, apart from the MVP and Cy Young candidates, just about anywhere outside the AL East. I don&#039;t know the prospects and their ETAs nearly as well as I did even a year ago. That stuff just vanishes when you&#039;re not constantly looking for ways to improve your squad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing, Nick! Diet Coke at four? </p>
<p>This was my first year in over a decade w/o fantasy baseball, and I have to say, I&#8217;m not missing it as much as I thought. </p>
<p>But I am amazed at the things I don&#8217;t know, which used to be routine. I don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s having a good year, apart from the MVP and Cy Young candidates, just about anywhere outside the AL East. I don&#8217;t know the prospects and their ETAs nearly as well as I did even a year ago. That stuff just vanishes when you&#8217;re not constantly looking for ways to improve your squad.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Belth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool story, Nick. Thanks for doing it for the Banter. I only played fantasy baseball once, and it was a half-hearted thing at best. But I found it addicting. That was the summer of 2002. After the season, I started this blog and never went back because the blog was even more addicting!

I need to see that 30 on 30 on the original league. Sounds like fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool story, Nick. Thanks for doing it for the Banter. I only played fantasy baseball once, and it was a half-hearted thing at best. But I found it addicting. That was the summer of 2002. After the season, I started this blog and never went back because the blog was even more addicting!</p>
<p>I need to see that 30 on 30 on the original league. Sounds like fun.</p>
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