Comments on: Way Down in the Hole http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:14:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: The Hawk http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269664 The Hawk Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:53:21 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269664 Also Snoop and Chris were such a terrific pair. So right, but so unusual. Also Snoop and Chris were such a terrific pair. So right, but so unusual.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269661 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:16:54 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269661 40) Yeah, I kind of love how they didn't make anything of that. 40) Yeah, I kind of love how they didn’t make anything of that.

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269659 cult of basebaal Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:12:32 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269659 [37] "These are for you, McNulty This one over here is going up your narrow, fucking Irish ass ... and this bad boy over here is in your fucking eye." Ah, Rawles, everything about his character has such the different subtext after that "throw away" shot of him in the gay bar in Season 3 ... [37]

“These are for you, McNulty

This one over here is going up your narrow, fucking Irish ass … and this bad boy over here is in your fucking eye.”

Ah, Rawles, everything about his character has such the different subtext after that “throw away” shot of him in the gay bar in Season 3 …

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269658 cult of basebaal Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:06:08 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269658 [36] Well, I think you have to draw the line between characters you don't like personally and characters you don't think work from a critical standpoint. I don't particularily <i>like</i> Herc, hell, much of what goes terribly awry in seasons 4 and 5 is specifically *because* of Herc, but I don't ever not <i>believe</i> in the character as he's drawn, or feel that how he's used by the writers in the series feels inorganic or forced. Unlike, say, Brother Mouzone, who I'll freely admit is a memorable character, but I don't ever feel transcends being a gimmick. He certainly never seems remotely human or real to me and mostly just feels like a hackneyed compilation of affectations the writers couldn't bear to completely leave out of the story ... [36] Well, I think you have to draw the line between characters you don’t like personally and characters you don’t think work from a critical standpoint.

I don’t particularily like Herc, hell, much of what goes terribly awry in seasons 4 and 5 is specifically *because* of Herc, but I don’t ever not believe in the character as he’s drawn, or feel that how he’s used by the writers in the series feels inorganic or forced.

Unlike, say, Brother Mouzone, who I’ll freely admit is a memorable character, but I don’t ever feel transcends being a gimmick. He certainly never seems remotely human or real to me and mostly just feels like a hackneyed compilation of affectations the writers couldn’t bear to completely leave out of the story …

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269655 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:58:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269655 And I forgot to mention Ronnie Pearlman. She is terrific. And I forgot to mention Ronnie Pearlman. She is terrific.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269652 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:47:08 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269652 36) Yeah, Johnny was wack. Oh and what about Rawles? He was classic, too. 36) Yeah, Johnny was wack.

Oh and what about Rawles? He was classic, too.

]]> By: RagingTartabull http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269651 RagingTartabull Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:43:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269651 if we're gonna go the route of "bad" characters, I think you gotta start the list with Leo Fitzpatrick's "Johnny" which was so, so awful on so many levels. Johnny turning up on screen meant it was time to go get a re-fill. Some people don't like Herc, but I think Herc and Carver we're needed for the comic relief. And when you get down to it, in a large urban police department there are probably a lot more Hercs and Carvers than Lesters and Kimas. if we’re gonna go the route of “bad” characters, I think you gotta start the list with Leo Fitzpatrick’s “Johnny” which was so, so awful on so many levels. Johnny turning up on screen meant it was time to go get a re-fill.

Some people don’t like Herc, but I think Herc and Carver we’re needed for the comic relief. And when you get down to it, in a large urban police department there are probably a lot more Hercs and Carvers than Lesters and Kimas.

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269650 cult of basebaal Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:38:36 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269650 <i>And Weebay's wife.</i> See, now, Weebay's wife is one of the few characters on the show that I found to be a "boring, stock character." Simply one-note, very much the narcissistic, materialistic 'Dragon Lady' without any other aspects to her character at all. She's there to serve a part and move the plot forward with Namond. And Weebay’s wife.

See, now, Weebay’s wife is one of the few characters on the show that I found to be a “boring, stock character.”

Simply one-note, very much the narcissistic, materialistic ‘Dragon Lady’ without any other aspects to her character at all. She’s there to serve a part and move the plot forward with Namond.

]]> By: RagingTartabull http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269648 RagingTartabull Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:31:24 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269648 Weebay is a GREAT character, the scene where Bunny convinces him to let Namond go... "Division and Gold" Weebay is a GREAT character, the scene where Bunny convinces him to let Namond go…

“Division and Gold”

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269647 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:31:05 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269647 32) Yeah, I didn't buy it. Just found him to be annoying all around. You knew he was going to get his from the first time he appeared. The getting the duck drunk thing. It was all forced to me. The actor was good though. I didn't care for the guy who played his cousin at all. 32) Yeah, I didn’t buy it. Just found him to be annoying all around. You knew he was going to get his from the first time he appeared. The getting the duck drunk thing. It was all forced to me. The actor was good though. I didn’t care for the guy who played his cousin at all.

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269646 cult of basebaal Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:23:37 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269646 <i>Nah, see I found Ziggy irritating.</i> Well, Ziggy's <i>supposed</i> to be irritating. Hell, the character doesn't work <i>unless</i> he's irritating, because he's simply a person who's profoundly inept at life. I think that is what takes him far beyond being a simple stock "obviously doomed fuck-up", he's not just a fuck-up, he's a genuinely and profoundly weird, lost soul, drawn in detail and relief unlike any other character on any other show. Ziggy's not a "bad" guy, at least not an "evil" guy, but he's this deadly mix of exceedingly human, shallow character faults and defects that just aren't going to end well. Nah, see I found Ziggy irritating.

Well, Ziggy’s supposed to be irritating. Hell, the character doesn’t work unless he’s irritating, because he’s simply a person who’s profoundly inept at life. I think that is what takes him far beyond being a simple stock “obviously doomed fuck-up”, he’s not just a fuck-up, he’s a genuinely and profoundly weird, lost soul, drawn in detail and relief unlike any other character on any other show. Ziggy’s not a “bad” guy, at least not an “evil” guy, but he’s this deadly mix of exceedingly human, shallow character faults and defects that just aren’t going to end well.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269645 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:50:34 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269645 McDaniels and Carver, too. And Weebay's wife. McDaniels and Carver, too. And Weebay’s wife.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269644 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:50:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269644 Nah, see I found Ziggy irritating. I found him and his cousin boring, stock characters. Then again, the way it played out with Ziggy was memorable. Nah, see I found Ziggy irritating. I found him and his cousin boring, stock characters. Then again, the way it played out with Ziggy was memorable.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269643 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:49:17 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269643 Sheeeeeeeeeeeiiit. Sheeeeeeeeeeeiiit.

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269642 cult of basebaal Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:49:11 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269642 And The Greek and "Boris" and Ziggy Sobotka and Brother Mouzone and Herc and ... and ... And The Greek and “Boris” and Ziggy Sobotka and Brother Mouzone and Herc and … and …

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269641 ms october Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:44:38 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269641 cool - glad you got to it and enjoyed it. i've seen all the seasons multiple times and thoroughly enjoy it every time i watch. so many good characters and story lines. the important part is over doing it, but there is a lot of symbolism that speaks to a lot of economic and social issues plaguing us. i agree that season 1,3,4 are the best but i think 2 and 5 were great too. 2 took the show more global and 5 helped explain how all this shit is allowed to happen. -same as it ever was. cool – glad you got to it and enjoyed it.
i’ve seen all the seasons multiple times and thoroughly enjoy it every time i watch. so many good characters and story lines. the important part is over doing it, but there is a lot of symbolism that speaks to a lot of economic and social issues plaguing us.
i agree that season 1,3,4 are the best but i think 2 and 5 were great too. 2 took the show more global and 5 helped explain how all this shit is allowed to happen.

-same as it ever was.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269639 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:42:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269639 That is a great fucking line. "You look good, girl." I liked D'Angelo, too. And spoke to a few people who found him, or the actor that played him, annoying. But I didn't have that reaction at all. Weebay was great too. And Slim Charles, shit, how did I forget him, what a voice. And fucking Butchie, man. Is a show legally allowed to have so many memorable characters? That is a great fucking line. “You look good, girl.”

I liked D’Angelo, too. And spoke to a few people who found him, or the actor that played him, annoying. But I didn’t have that reaction at all.

Weebay was great too. And Slim Charles, shit, how did I forget him, what a voice. And fucking Butchie, man. Is a show legally allowed to have so many memorable characters?

]]> By: cult of basebaal http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269638 cult of basebaal Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:41:14 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269638 [24] Not to be "that guy", but it's "How my hair look, Mike?" [24] Not to be “that guy”, but it’s “How my hair look, Mike?”

]]> By: edoubletrouble http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269634 edoubletrouble Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:25:10 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269634 Belinda wanted to go back and start all over too. Me? I think about it often. I have no gripes with the show, it killed and will forever be in our lexicon. D'Angelo, man. He was my favorite and throughout the series I always wanted his murder to be exposed. Favorite line? "How's my hair Mike?" Belinda wanted to go back and start all over too.

Me? I think about it often. I have no gripes with the show, it killed and will forever be in our lexicon.

D’Angelo, man. He was my favorite and throughout the series I always wanted his murder to be exposed.

Favorite line? “How’s my hair Mike?”

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/12/way-down-in-the-hole/#comment-269633 Alex Belth Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:20:10 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=76790#comment-269633 22) Ha ha. Sweet. 22) Ha ha. Sweet.

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