Comments on: Color By Numbers: Danks, but No Danks (for the Yankees) http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Wed, 22 May 2013 02:03:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: William J. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269938 William J. Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:37:44 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269938 [10] No need to fear. I think we actually aren't that far apart on many principals, but just often wildly disagree on the means to achieving them. [11] They did try for Lee, but he opted for Philly. Going all in for Halladay would have been a huge move. The Haren one completely passed under the radar. Without knowing if Cashman was involved, that seems like a big oversight. As for Hamels, I have a feeling he is going to test FA because the market suggests he may be able to get a massive deal. If it comes to that, my gut tells me the highest offer wins. [13] The Yankees past spending has put them in a position wherein they can still spend, but now must do so more wisely. That's not exactly dire straights, but for some Yankees' fans, I guess it seems that way. [10] No need to fear. I think we actually aren’t that far apart on many principals, but just often wildly disagree on the means to achieving them.

[11] They did try for Lee, but he opted for Philly. Going all in for Halladay would have been a huge move. The Haren one completely passed under the radar. Without knowing if Cashman was involved, that seems like a big oversight.

As for Hamels, I have a feeling he is going to test FA because the market suggests he may be able to get a massive deal. If it comes to that, my gut tells me the highest offer wins.

[13] The Yankees past spending has put them in a position wherein they can still spend, but now must do so more wisely. That’s not exactly dire straights, but for some Yankees’ fans, I guess it seems that way.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269935 OldYanksFan Fri, 23 Dec 2011 05:15:17 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269935 The bottom line in our roster is both expensive, inflexible, and signed for a long time. The Yankees still have money, but it must be spent wisely. Cashman is smart and he is shopping carefully. I like that he is not just throwing money at problems. This is a good opportunity to see what Cashman's year of farm building have done. The bottom line in our roster is both expensive, inflexible, and signed for a long time. The Yankees still have money, but it must be spent wisely. Cashman is smart and he is shopping carefully. I like that he is not just throwing money at problems. This is a good opportunity to see what Cashman’s year of farm building have done.

]]> By: kenboyer made me cry http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269932 kenboyer made me cry Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:47:34 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269932 How much longer 'till pitchers and catchers in Tampa? I feat that the NY football season will be over shortly. It will take a lot to get excited by basketball, and hockey is gnocchi. How much longer ’till pitchers and catchers in Tampa?

I feat that the NY football season will be over shortly. It will take a lot to get excited by basketball, and hockey is gnocchi.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269922 Jon DeRosa Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:00:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269922 [9] Yeah the options this year are not great. They should have put CC next to two of Halladay, Lee and Haren. Those were the balls out moves and they couldn't/wouldn't pull them off. And if Cole Hamels becomes a Yankee before the start of the 2013 season, I will be shocked. Why would the Phillies ever let him get that far? The Phillies have ascended to another level of franchise management, why would they suddenly go another direction on Hamels? I hope you are right, but of all the 2013 potential free agents, he seems most likely never to get there, and most of the others are already locked up. [9] Yeah the options this year are not great. They should have put CC next to two of Halladay, Lee and Haren. Those were the balls out moves and they couldn’t/wouldn’t pull them off.

And if Cole Hamels becomes a Yankee before the start of the 2013 season, I will be shocked. Why would the Phillies ever let him get that far? The Phillies have ascended to another level of franchise management, why would they suddenly go another direction on Hamels? I hope you are right, but of all the 2013 potential free agents, he seems most likely never to get there, and most of the others are already locked up.

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269919 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:02:58 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269919 [9] William, you're scaring me..we agree on this point completely! :) [9] William, you’re scaring me..we agree on this point completely! :)

]]> By: William J. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269917 William J. Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:41:12 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269917 [6] It seems to me as if there is a certain segment of baseball analysts/writers/bloggers/sabermetricians who just like to think they are smarter than the establishment. [4] I agree, but I am not sure you can build a dynasty with Gio Gonzalez, Yu Darvish or CJ Wilson. Now, if you pair CC with Cole Hamels, that's another story. [6] It seems to me as if there is a certain segment of baseball analysts/writers/bloggers/sabermetricians who just like to think they are smarter than the establishment.

[4] I agree, but I am not sure you can build a dynasty with Gio Gonzalez, Yu Darvish or CJ Wilson. Now, if you pair CC with Cole Hamels, that’s another story.

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269916 Jon DeRosa Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:16:57 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269916 [5] The last one was so much fun, why wait? [5] The last one was so much fun, why wait?

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269915 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:15:23 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269915 [5] I'm just waiting for Luis Sojo to make a comeback, they need his spirit! [5] I’m just waiting for Luis Sojo to make a comeback, they need his spirit!

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269914 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:14:20 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269914 [0] Interesting. I was confused by all the backlash to the deal too. Why is it bad to sign up a 26-yr old with his record? Isn't the point to get good, young pitching? [0] Interesting. I was confused by all the backlash to the deal too. Why is it bad to sign up a 26-yr old with his record? Isn’t the point to get good, young pitching?

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269913 Chyll Will Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:07:15 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269913 [4] Yankee dynasties weren't built in a day. And neither was Rome. For that matter, depending on who you believe, it took at least a week to create the whole universe as we know it. Have patience >;) [4] Yankee dynasties weren’t built in a day. And neither was Rome. For that matter, depending on who you believe, it took at least a week to create the whole universe as we know it. Have patience >;)

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269910 Jon DeRosa Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:04:30 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269910 If the Yankees want to contend, they don't need to do anything. If they want to build dynasties, the pitching staff is woefully inadequate. If the Yankees want to contend, they don’t need to do anything. If they want to build dynasties, the pitching staff is woefully inadequate.

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269903 Chyll Will Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:30:06 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269903 [2] Yet how can you successfully plan to cover that many things going wrong? All you can do expect CC to make it through the season relatively unscathed. Cashman would not have deliberately built the pitching staff with so many question marks behind CC; he fully expected A.J. to pitch as he did in 2008-09, and he fully expected Hughes to improve on his 18-5 campaign. Everything else was "I hope this works" in regards to Nova, Bartolo and Garcia. If he gauged his decisions all on the inevitability of CC getting injured, he would have depleted the farm to get equally questionable talent to back him up; that's what happened when Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Aaron Small and Clemens II and the like were brought in to fill in for what they couldn't get when they tried. That's planning for failure, which they certainly succeeded in achieving. [2] Yet how can you successfully plan to cover that many things going wrong? All you can do expect CC to make it through the season relatively unscathed. Cashman would not have deliberately built the pitching staff with so many question marks behind CC; he fully expected A.J. to pitch as he did in 2008-09, and he fully expected Hughes to improve on his 18-5 campaign. Everything else was “I hope this works” in regards to Nova, Bartolo and Garcia. If he gauged his decisions all on the inevitability of CC getting injured, he would have depleted the farm to get equally questionable talent to back him up; that’s what happened when Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Aaron Small and Clemens II and the like were brought in to fill in for what they couldn’t get when they tried. That’s planning for failure, which they certainly succeeded in achieving.

]]> By: Dimelo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269901 Dimelo Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:59:59 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269901 [1] The Rays are getting younger and better, the Yanks main competition almost always comes from Boston, and Boston has been quiet this off-season after all their recent additions the past two off-seasons. And those acquisitions didn't work out for Boston. I think the Yanks should be quiet, they have a lot of talent on their roster, they have a lot of money committed to current players, and their major weakness is in their starting rotation. They should make one major move to improve their starting pitching, but is it absolutely necessary right now? Hard to say given the way things worked themselves out last year. Cashman is hoping that a trade possibility will become available, if not, he has the pitching prospects that he thinks can help if one of his starters doesn't pan out. What he doesn't have a plan for is, if CC can't make 3+ starts this coming season. He is counting on his workhorse being on the mound every 5th day. From what I can tell, that's the Yankees plan, count on CC and hope for the best with the other four. If one/two/three of the other 4 (not named CC) don't work, then start integrating the kids into the rotation. I think Cashman's plan is sensible, but if multiple things go wrong, then everything else mushrooms. The absolute worse being, CC going down for an extended period. [1] The Rays are getting younger and better, the Yanks main competition almost always comes from Boston, and Boston has been quiet this off-season after all their recent additions the past two off-seasons. And those acquisitions didn’t work out for Boston.

I think the Yanks should be quiet, they have a lot of talent on their roster, they have a lot of money committed to current players, and their major weakness is in their starting rotation. They should make one major move to improve their starting pitching, but is it absolutely necessary right now? Hard to say given the way things worked themselves out last year.

Cashman is hoping that a trade possibility will become available, if not, he has the pitching prospects that he thinks can help if one of his starters doesn’t pan out. What he doesn’t have a plan for is, if CC can’t make 3+ starts this coming season. He is counting on his workhorse being on the mound every 5th day. From what I can tell, that’s the Yankees plan, count on CC and hope for the best with the other four. If one/two/three of the other 4 (not named CC) don’t work, then start integrating the kids into the rotation.

I think Cashman’s plan is sensible, but if multiple things go wrong, then everything else mushrooms. The absolute worse being, CC going down for an extended period.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/12/22/color-by-numbers-danks-but-no-danks-for-the-yankees/#comment-269899 Alex Belth Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:29:26 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=77423#comment-269899 "Yankees’ fans may not like to hear this, but it’s entirely possible this offseason is simply laying the groundwork for winters to come." Interesting. “Yankees’ fans may not like to hear this, but it’s entirely possible this offseason is simply laying the groundwork for winters to come.”

Interesting.

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