Comments on: Wild Ending in the Bronx http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:45:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: joejoejoe http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-276004 joejoejoe Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:10:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-276004 I'm still OK with the Pineda-Montero trade. I think GMs are more and more concerned with defense these days with advanced stats and I think Cashman saw no future position for Montero other than DH. The Yankees of all teams should not have a career DH as they are always going to have more than their share of aging star hitters in the field. I’m still OK with the Pineda-Montero trade. I think GMs are more and more concerned with defense these days with advanced stats and I think Cashman saw no future position for Montero other than DH. The Yankees of all teams should not have a career DH as they are always going to have more than their share of aging star hitters in the field.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275866 Sliced Bread Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:00:45 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275866 [19] Admittedly, I did not consider his peripherals in my initial assessment of the trade, but either way, we're talking small sample sizes. My reservations had more to do with my belief in Montero, and what seemed to be going on with Pineda in the second half. It seemed that the league was catching up with him, and that he did not have enough pitches in his arsenal to compensate. The fact that he was shut down for a few weeks toward the end of the season was also somewhat of a concern for me. I wondered if the Mariners were just rookie-babying him at the end of a lost season, or if he was gassed, or injured. Either way, it was enough for me to say, no, you can't have Montero for him. Again, Campos sweetened the deal, but it made me more suspicious of Pineda. [19] Admittedly, I did not consider his peripherals in my initial assessment of the trade, but either way, we’re talking small sample sizes. My reservations had more to do with my belief in Montero, and what seemed to be going on with Pineda in the second half. It seemed that the league was catching up with him, and that he did not have enough pitches in his arsenal to compensate. The fact that he was shut down for a few weeks toward the end of the season was also somewhat of a concern for me. I wondered if the Mariners were just rookie-babying him at the end of a lost season, or if he was gassed, or injured. Either way, it was enough for me to say, no, you can’t have Montero for him.
Again, Campos sweetened the deal, but it made me more suspicious of Pineda.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275865 Shaun P. Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:18:07 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275865 Sliced, Pineda's ERA went up in the second half, but his peripherals - which predict future performance much better than ERA does - were slightly better in the second half. As disappointed as I am, its still way too early to know how this works out. Sliced, Pineda’s ERA went up in the second half, but his peripherals – which predict future performance much better than ERA does – were slightly better in the second half.

As disappointed as I am, its still way too early to know how this works out.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275864 Sliced Bread Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:09:52 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275864 I was against the trade from the get- go simply because I believed in Montero, and was skeptical about Pineda due to his struggles in the second half of his first season. While the addition of the highly regarded prospect Campos sweetened the deal, it made me even more suspicious of the Mariners' belief in Pineda. I would not have taken the chance on Pineda at the expense of Jesus. Sometimes it's as simple as that. (14) I agree RI that it wasn't a blatantly dumb trade. But I think Pineda's second half made him not worth the cost of a hitter like Montero. I was against the trade from the get- go simply because I believed in Montero, and was skeptical about Pineda due to his struggles in the second half of his first season.
While the addition of the highly regarded prospect Campos sweetened the deal, it made me even more suspicious of the Mariners’ belief in Pineda. I would not have taken the chance on Pineda at the expense of Jesus. Sometimes it’s as simple as that.

(14) I agree RI that it wasn’t a blatantly dumb trade. But I think Pineda’s second half made him not worth the cost of a hitter like Montero.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275863 RIYank Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:53:51 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275863 [16] <i>Jesus has more RBI than A-Rod. Just imagine if he had been hitting in our line-up. </i> Huh? A-Rod has a hundred points of OPS on Montero. Jesús is a very bad hitter so far, and he's a DH, not a catcher. I don't miss him this year. He might turn into a great MLB batter, but as of now he's really bad. [16] Jesus has more RBI than A-Rod. Just imagine if he had been hitting in our line-up.

Huh? A-Rod has a hundred points of OPS on Montero. Jesús is a very bad hitter so far, and he’s a DH, not a catcher. I don’t miss him this year. He might turn into a great MLB batter, but as of now he’s really bad.

]]> By: Boatzilla http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275862 Boatzilla Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:31:36 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275862 [0] Great report and evaluation, Jon. I whole-heartedly agree. Jesus has more RBI than A-Rod. Just imagine if he had been hitting in our line-up. Actually, I have been pleasantly surprised by the offensive contributions of Ibañez so far. But the official spin that they got him "because he could play some outfield" is not only an out right lie, it is an insult to the fan base. [0] Great report and evaluation, Jon. I whole-heartedly agree.

Jesus has more RBI than A-Rod. Just imagine if he had been hitting in our line-up.

Actually, I have been pleasantly surprised by the offensive contributions of Ibañez so far. But the official spin that they got him “because he could play some outfield” is not only an out right lie, it is an insult to the fan base.

]]> By: Shaun P. http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275861 Shaun P. Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:20:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275861 Jon, when I'm trying to be rational about the Montero trade, I'm with you completely. There is inherently more risk with pitching then there is with hitting so why not keep the safer guy, i.e. Montero. But when I'm actually being rational about the trade, I remind myself that it wasn't just Montero for Pineda, and that José Campos is pitching really freaking well right now, albeit in A ball. 11 years of cost controlled pitching might outweigh six years of cost controlled hitting, even with the difference in risk. [1] Indeed. Send down the eighth bullpen guy, and bring up a competent outfielder. Gerardi needs to lose his "oh, he's a nice veteran fielder and he can play right field, too!" fetish. No, he can't. Jon, when I’m trying to be rational about the Montero trade, I’m with you completely. There is inherently more risk with pitching then there is with hitting so why not keep the safer guy, i.e. Montero.

But when I’m actually being rational about the trade, I remind myself that it wasn’t just Montero for Pineda, and that José Campos is pitching really freaking well right now, albeit in A ball. 11 years of cost controlled pitching might outweigh six years of cost controlled hitting, even with the difference in risk.

[1] Indeed. Send down the eighth bullpen guy, and bring up a competent outfielder. Gerardi needs to lose his “oh, he’s a nice veteran fielder and he can play right field, too!” fetish. No, he can’t.

]]> By: RIYank http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275860 RIYank Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:07:53 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275860 [2] Montero's OPS is .697. I was disappointed by the trade at the time, too, but I don't think there's anything wrong with going for cost-controlled pitching instead of cost-controlled hitting. One way or the other, you have to pay free agents to fill the gap. And whichever way you choose to pay for pitching -- with a prospect or with $$$$$ -- your going to have a risky deal. Sure, easy to say that the Yankees could have paid the big money for Darvish, but look what happened to Boston, flushing the Matzusaka checks down the toilet every week (not to mention the Lackey money). And if you can really just go buy more, then fine, the Yankees can go buy more now, too. (I doubt it.) Again, I wanted them to keep Montero. But it wasn't a dumb move. [2] Montero’s OPS is .697.

I was disappointed by the trade at the time, too, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with going for cost-controlled pitching instead of cost-controlled hitting. One way or the other, you have to pay free agents to fill the gap. And whichever way you choose to pay for pitching — with a prospect or with $$$$$ — your going to have a risky deal. Sure, easy to say that the Yankees could have paid the big money for Darvish, but look what happened to Boston, flushing the Matzusaka checks down the toilet every week (not to mention the Lackey money). And if you can really just go buy more, then fine, the Yankees can go buy more now, too. (I doubt it.)

Again, I wanted them to keep Montero. But it wasn’t a dumb move.

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275859 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:26:44 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275859 [12]Yeah! Padres close out the Giants. Baseball done for the day unless I put on the Buffaloes vs. the Lions here.. [12]Yeah!

Padres close out the Giants. Baseball done for the day unless I put on the Buffaloes vs. the Lions here..

]]> By: Chyll Will http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275858 Chyll Will Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:20:38 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275858 [6] It's the same strategy that replaces sedate urban programming with... even more loudmouth know-it-all sports jerks. Yeah. [10] How many NYers look at that and say HOO-ston or HUH-ston because it's not spelled like HOW-ston >;) [6] It’s the same strategy that replaces sedate urban programming with… even more loudmouth know-it-all sports jerks. Yeah.

[10] How many NYers look at that and say HOO-ston or HUH-ston because it’s not spelled like HOW-ston >;)

]]> By: Chris in Sydney http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275857 Chris in Sydney Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:18:48 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275857 [0] Best argument against the trade I've heard. And I've been stewing quite a bit myself. [0] Best argument against the trade I’ve heard. And I’ve been stewing quite a bit myself.

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275856 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:08:14 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275856 Huston Street closing for the Padres! (And I never knew it was "Huston" and not "Houston"..) Facing Gregor Blanco (who?) to start the 9th.. Huston Street closing for the Padres! (And I never knew it was “Huston” and not “Houston”..)
Facing Gregor Blanco (who?) to start the 9th..

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275855 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:04:41 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275855 Wow, except Cameron Maybin I don't know ANY of these SD Padres..need to watch more NL highlights. Enjoying this game. Pablo Sandoval really is..round and cuddly. Wow, except Cameron Maybin I don’t know ANY of these SD Padres..need to watch more NL highlights. Enjoying this game. Pablo Sandoval really is..round and cuddly.

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275854 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:03:30 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275854 Sanchez with the laser perfect throw to 2B to prevent the stolen base. Beautiful! Sanchez with the laser perfect throw to 2B to prevent the stolen base. Beautiful!

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275853 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:01:56 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275853 [6] You mean you are not enjoying the Clay Rapada era? Yanks are a good to great team but the AL East is going to be a fierce fight to the finish. Can't afford even minor mistakes than can potentially cost games.. (Ibanez in LF..Nunez at any position..endless "resting" of stars who are not tired..) [6] You mean you are not enjoying the Clay Rapada era?

Yanks are a good to great team but the AL East is going to be a fierce fight to the finish. Can’t afford even minor mistakes than can potentially cost games.. (Ibanez in LF..Nunez at any position..endless “resting” of stars who are not tired..)

]]> By: monkeypants http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275852 monkeypants Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:53:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275852 [1] And what's with this new roster strategy, whereby the team loses an OF and replaces him with...a 13th pitcher? [1] And what’s with this new roster strategy, whereby the team loses an OF and replaces him with…a 13th pitcher?

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275851 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:46:01 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275851 Buster Posey (looking about 16) Takes Cashner to the bank! Solo Home Run! 5-3 Padres. Buster Posey (looking about 16) Takes Cashner to the bank! Solo Home Run! 5-3 Padres.

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275850 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:44:04 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275850 Andrew Cashner now in for the Padres to face the Giants, bottom 8th. Maybe he can "cash in" for a save? Sorry..stuck on sofa with a sick Jazz Princess, can't do anything but watch baseball. Andrew Cashner now in for the Padres to face the Giants, bottom 8th. Maybe he can “cash in” for a save?

Sorry..stuck on sofa with a sick Jazz Princess, can’t do anything but watch baseball.

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275849 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:29:25 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275849 Luke Gergerson in for the Padres! NL Baseball, it's AWWWWWRIGHT! Luke Gergerson in for the Padres! NL Baseball, it’s AWWWWWRIGHT!

]]> By: Mr OK Jazz Tokyo http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/04/27/wild-ending-in-the-bronx/#comment-275848 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:28:36 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=83905#comment-275848 Jesus homered again. Sigh.. Jesus homered again.

Sigh..

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