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	<title>Comments on: Color By Numbers: One, Two, Three Strikes…</title>
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		<title>By: William Juliano</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/09/13/color-by-numbers-one-two-three-strikes/#comment-291045</link>
		<dc:creator>William Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 00:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[5] The value of the outcome is the same for both, but that doesn&#039;t mean they have the same predictive implication. 

Also, fewer strikeouts do not correlate to more run production in an open environment, but I was referring to a situation in which all else is kept equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[5] The value of the outcome is the same for both, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they have the same predictive implication. </p>
<p>Also, fewer strikeouts do not correlate to more run production in an open environment, but I was referring to a situation in which all else is kept equal.</p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[3] But that doesn&#039;t explain it. The question is, how can a given strikeout be particularly good for a pitcher, and not particularly bad for the batter he just struck out? If batters struck out more, would that mean pitchers were doing better but batters were not doing worse? This is pretty obviously impossible...

And I don&#039;t get why you would choose the batter with fewer strikeouts, given that fewer strikeouts does not correlate (for a batter) with more run production.

But anyway, just about game time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[3] But that doesn&#8217;t explain it. The question is, how can a given strikeout be particularly good for a pitcher, and not particularly bad for the batter he just struck out? If batters struck out more, would that mean pitchers were doing better but batters were not doing worse? This is pretty obviously impossible&#8230;</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t get why you would choose the batter with fewer strikeouts, given that fewer strikeouts does not correlate (for a batter) with more run production.</p>
<p>But anyway, just about game time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: knuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>knuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be interesting to graph the Yanks&#039; offensive K rate over time against their OBP or OPS.

I wonder if it might show that offense has increased alongside the feast or famine counterpart, the strikeout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be interesting to graph the Yanks&#8217; offensive K rate over time against their OBP or OPS.</p>
<p>I wonder if it might show that offense has increased alongside the feast or famine counterpart, the strikeout.</p>
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		<title>By: William Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] [2] That explains the general trend, but I am not so sure it covers the recent spike.

[2] The logic behind the divergence is K are a fielding independent component for pitchers, while for batters, they&#039;re just another way to make an out. While I agree that Ks are more predictive for pitchers, I don&#039;t think they&#039;re an irrelevant consideration for hitters. More simply, if allowed to choose between two hitters of comparable ability, I&#039;d take the one with fewer Ks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] [2] That explains the general trend, but I am not so sure it covers the recent spike.</p>
<p>[2] The logic behind the divergence is K are a fielding independent component for pitchers, while for batters, they&#8217;re just another way to make an out. While I agree that Ks are more predictive for pitchers, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re an irrelevant consideration for hitters. More simply, if allowed to choose between two hitters of comparable ability, I&#8217;d take the one with fewer Ks.</p>
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		<title>By: RIYank</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/09/13/color-by-numbers-one-two-three-strikes/#comment-291006</link>
		<dc:creator>RIYank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[1] Yep, you&#039;ve convinced me on this. And it&#039;s also possible (I think &lt;i&gt;probable&lt;/i&gt;, but I don&#039;t have an argument for that) that there are changes in swings that increase the chance of getting a double, say, but also the chance of striking out, and that this is now considered a better trade-off than it once was.

One thing you (William) don&#039;t mention is that today&#039;s wisdom tells us that striking out is not so bad, for a batter, but also that it is particularly good, for a pitcher. That is, if you want a stat that gives you a measure of underlying ability, with predictive power for the future, etc., then you &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be looking at pitchers&#039; strikeouts, but you &lt;i&gt;shouldn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; be looking at batters&#039; strikeouts.
This is a really weird fact. I don&#039;t know what to make of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] Yep, you&#8217;ve convinced me on this. And it&#8217;s also possible (I think <i>probable</i>, but I don&#8217;t have an argument for that) that there are changes in swings that increase the chance of getting a double, say, but also the chance of striking out, and that this is now considered a better trade-off than it once was.</p>
<p>One thing you (William) don&#8217;t mention is that today&#8217;s wisdom tells us that striking out is not so bad, for a batter, but also that it is particularly good, for a pitcher. That is, if you want a stat that gives you a measure of underlying ability, with predictive power for the future, etc., then you <i>should</i> be looking at pitchers&#8217; strikeouts, but you <i>shouldn&#8217;t</i> be looking at batters&#8217; strikeouts.<br />
This is a really weird fact. I don&#8217;t know what to make of it.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A contributing factor could be on the other side of the ball: offensive philosophy has changed over the last several years, I think. Strike outs are no longer seen as so bad, and (becasue of increased emphasis on OBP and taking pitches) they are increasingly tolerated so long as the hitter gets on base and, ideally, hits for power. What we&#039;re seeing is a general move toward more &quot;three true outcomes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A contributing factor could be on the other side of the ball: offensive philosophy has changed over the last several years, I think. Strike outs are no longer seen as so bad, and (becasue of increased emphasis on OBP and taking pitches) they are increasingly tolerated so long as the hitter gets on base and, ideally, hits for power. What we&#8217;re seeing is a general move toward more &#8220;three true outcomes.&#8221;</p>
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