Comments on: The Humiliation of Alex Rodriguez http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/ Development site for Bronx Banter Blog's upcoming look and feel Tue, 21 May 2013 01:40:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Evil Empire http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299717 Evil Empire Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:24:09 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299717 who would have believed that 2006 would have been a more satisfying series against the tigers? who would have believed that 2006 would have been a more satisfying series against the tigers?

]]> By: Simone http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299589 Simone Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:43:03 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299589 [54] I am calling the Yankees' treatment of Alex how I see it. IMO, the organization is mimicking George's treatment of player that it considers disposable. You can disagree with my interpretation of the Yankees' actions, but nowhere in my post did state that I agreed with it. [54] I am calling the Yankees’ treatment of Alex how I see it. IMO, the organization is mimicking George’s treatment of player that it considers disposable. You can disagree with my interpretation of the Yankees’ actions, but nowhere in my post did state that I agreed with it.

]]> By: Chris http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299563 Chris Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:45:18 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299563 [52] I agree with your assessment of Jeter, but I think it makes for third being the best possible position for him. And I think he's smart enough that the transition won't be too difficult for him. Plus, you have an opportunity to substantially increase your range at SS. I too see it being a popular idea with Yankee brass, mostly because it quiets the range criticism. But also because it allows "replacement" of ARod with a proven hitter and gives Nunez -- a guy they're looking for a spot for -- that one last chance to become a starter. [52] I agree with your assessment of Jeter, but I think it makes for third being the best possible position for him. And I think he’s smart enough that the transition won’t be too difficult for him. Plus, you have an opportunity to substantially increase your range at SS. I too see it being a popular idea with Yankee brass, mostly because it quiets the range criticism. But also because it allows “replacement” of ARod with a proven hitter and gives Nunez — a guy they’re looking for a spot for — that one last chance to become a starter.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299562 OldYanksFan Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:44:51 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299562 [47] ALL of those quotes come from 2 videos on the YES site; an ARod B4 Game#4 interview and a Cashman interview. I figured everyone had seen them.... maybe not. In any event, I have not seen or heard anything that even smacks of dissing ARod. I don't believe the Yankees have any reason or motivation to do so. If they wanted to trade him, this garbage going on now would only devalue ARod, and cost the Yankees many millions. Now if ARod were the only one sucking, I would be less sceptical. However, 3 guys who are younger and I expect to deliver more than ARod, are sucking just as bad... with some poor D thrown in to boot. Swish, Grandy and especially Cano, have all had critical defensive lapses. For me, all this stuff carries all the weight of Donald Trump's birther nonsense. Anyone can say anything these days. And [40] "Insiders" (unnamed)... like a janitor? The NY Post saying something untrue or gossipy? Impossible. Everything is the Post and on the Internet is always true. "A disposable player". ARod is now disposable? And you actually want another human being to act like George did? Were you around in the 70's and 80's? I mean, I had grown fond of the old man since he STOPPED making decisions and gave Cashman control. But the man was a lunatic, and did many nasty and horrible things. George's passion for Winning should be emulated by other owners. But his other behaviors are best never seen again. [47] ALL of those quotes come from 2 videos on the YES site; an ARod B4 Game#4 interview and a Cashman interview. I figured everyone had seen them…. maybe not.

In any event, I have not seen or heard anything that even smacks of dissing ARod. I don’t believe the Yankees have any reason or motivation to do so. If they wanted to trade him, this garbage going on now would only devalue ARod, and cost the Yankees many millions.

Now if ARod were the only one sucking, I would be less sceptical. However, 3 guys who are younger and I expect to deliver more than ARod, are sucking just as bad… with some poor D thrown in to boot.
Swish, Grandy and especially Cano, have all had critical defensive lapses.

For me, all this stuff carries all the weight of Donald Trump’s birther nonsense. Anyone can say anything these days.

And [40]
“Insiders” (unnamed)… like a janitor?
The NY Post saying something untrue or gossipy? Impossible. Everything is the Post and on the Internet is always true.
“A disposable player”. ARod is now disposable?

And you actually want another human being to act like George did?
Were you around in the 70′s and 80′s? I mean, I had grown fond of the old man since he STOPPED making decisions and gave Cashman control. But the man was a lunatic, and did many nasty and horrible things.

George’s passion for Winning should be emulated by other owners.
But his other behaviors are best never seen again.

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299557 ms october Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:26:01 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299557 [52] i don't think it necessarily makes sense, i could see cashman wanting to do it though. [52] i don’t think it necessarily makes sense, i could see cashman wanting to do it though.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299554 OldYanksFan Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:22:15 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299554 I don't see how moving Jeter to 3rd helps much. Yeah, there is less territory to cover, but he will stress the SS more. Also, Jeets has a very slow first step (part of his lack or range). And it IS a different position. He has played SS his whole life. He has never played 3rd. What maks people think that changing positions at his age will go smoothly. Jeter has no range at SS. He almost has to fall on a ball to reach it. But he is otherwise a good SS. Great goimg back on popups, great coming in on grounders, and excellent cut off man. My guess is he can man the position for another 2 years without being much worse then he is now. I don’t see how moving Jeter to 3rd helps much. Yeah, there is less territory to cover, but he will stress the SS more. Also, Jeets has a very slow first step (part of his lack or range). And it IS a different position. He has played SS his whole life. He has never played 3rd. What maks people think that changing positions at his age will go smoothly.

Jeter has no range at SS. He almost has to fall on a ball to reach it. But he is otherwise a good SS. Great goimg back on popups, great coming in on grounders, and excellent cut off man. My guess is he can man the position for another 2 years without being much worse then he is now.

]]> By: Chris http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299547 Chris Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:02:15 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299547 [50] Thanks, I guess I missed that one. Seems like such a great idea to me and would be one of the chief benefits of dumping ARod. [50] Thanks, I guess I missed that one. Seems like such a great idea to me and would be one of the chief benefits of dumping ARod.

]]> By: ms october http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299544 ms october Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:53:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299544 [49] see 28. [49] see 28.

]]> By: Chris http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299541 Chris Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:24:36 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299541 Everyone keeps asking who will play third if ARod goes. Am I the only one who sees this as the golden opportunity for Jeter to play a few more years by moving over? [47] I call BS on Cash's "short sample" comment on the offense. There is obviously something mental going on with Swisher and Cano, at least. Everyone keeps asking who will play third if ARod goes. Am I the only one who sees this as the golden opportunity for Jeter to play a few more years by moving over?

[47] I call BS on Cash’s “short sample” comment on the offense. There is obviously something mental going on with Swisher and Cano, at least.

]]> By: Simone http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299540 Simone Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:20:29 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299540 I do think that Alex is the scapegoat for the Yankee failures this postseason. I think that Cano is far more at fault than Alex or any other hitter, but the Yankees won't bench Cano because they want to stay in his good graces until they give him a new contract. I do think that Alex is the scapegoat for the Yankee failures this postseason. I think that Cano is far more at fault than Alex or any other hitter, but the Yankees won’t bench Cano because they want to stay in his good graces until they give him a new contract.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299538 Alex Belth Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:15:45 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299538 Interesting stuff here: http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2012/10/18/if-he-hadn%E2%80%99t-struggled-he%E2%80%99s-in-there/ And here: http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2012/10/18/cashman-this-doesnt-shatter-my-beliefs/ Interesting stuff here:

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2012/10/18/if-he-hadn%E2%80%99t-struggled-he%E2%80%99s-in-there/

And here:

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2012/10/18/cashman-this-doesnt-shatter-my-beliefs/

]]> By: Jon DeRosa http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299536 Jon DeRosa Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:52:23 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299536 [44] I appreciate your passion on the subject, but in my opinion, the GM has very little influence on the lineup. Girardi is trying to find a way to score runs, and it's fine to disagree with him on how to do that, but I can't understand the crowd that's convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Arod could hit a right hander better than Chavez right now. For the record, I would play Alex against lefties and softer throwing righties, but I'm not going to second guess a guy who goes with a strict platoon based on what we've seen so far. [44] I appreciate your passion on the subject, but in my opinion, the GM has very little influence on the lineup.

Girardi is trying to find a way to score runs, and it’s fine to disagree with him on how to do that, but I can’t understand the crowd that’s convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Arod could hit a right hander better than Chavez right now. For the record, I would play Alex against lefties and softer throwing righties, but I’m not going to second guess a guy who goes with a strict platoon based on what we’ve seen so far.

]]> By: RagingTartabull http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299535 RagingTartabull Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:42:10 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299535 Life with A-Rod is like a Russian novel, it's long and confusing and in the end we all get hit by a train. That said, play him today. Life with A-Rod is like a Russian novel, it’s long and confusing and in the end we all get hit by a train.

That said, play him today.

]]> By: Crali http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299533 Crali Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:08:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299533 I've been shocked at the way they've treated Alex; not the pinch-hit so much but the continuous shaming of him on so many levels. The nonsense that Giradi is calling the shots on the lineup is just that - nonsense. Has anyone ever seen the GM come in to the press room before manager and give the reporters the lineup and tell them he made these decisions along w/Girardi and coaches? When CC was asked what was the biggest lose (in terms of injuries) on the team this year - he said, A-Rod; Cashman said Mo. This is not the 2003/4/5+ years when the team had a divided Jeter/ARod locker room. There are a lot of players in that clubhouse that look up to Alex - did you hear Raul when he was told to get ready to pinch-hit? The relationship Alex has w/Cano. Tex is tight w/Alex and he seems to be the De-facto leader now which should have been ARod's job once Jeter went down. According to David Wells, Alex got angry and pleaded his case to Girardi but I don't think Girardi had the leeway to put him in the lineup. The mere fact that Alex's #'s were so good against Verlander this year - even Verlander was surprised he wasn't in the lineup. Chavez came in to back-up Alex not replace him and playing all these games in a row leads to a better chance that Chavez gets hurt. Yes, Chavez had hit a HR against him but it was an opposite field HR that just went out in the heat of summer. This is a joke. And clearly it's making me angry because as Alex said, they are a better lineup w/him in it. He can steal a base (Chavez can't), he's a good, smart base-runner. Look, I guess the team just wants to humiliate him and they're doing a good job of it. I think it's UGLY, it has hurt the team on the field and I also believe it has affected the rest of the team. The nonsense w/the girl in the stands - we've all (or anyone that's gone to games) has seem a lot worse; I have no problem with it. Does anyone question the fact that the Yankees gave the Post that story? That's the only thing that makes 1 remember George close to his worst. I'm really disappointed in management - I thought they were a classier group than this until the way they treated Jeter during his negotiations. I didn't care what they paid Jeter, I cared about them leaking the negotiations and trying to get fans to turn on him. This is just ugly. And Nunez? I don't see how they're playing him behind CC who is a ground ball pitcher and needs those double-plays - if they do win tonight I hope to G-d they put Nix in behind Andy -- that's Andy's whole game. This is just our intro to Nunez as the new SS and though there wasn't a problem in the last game -- well, this is a different pitcher. We've all seen the difference between Giambi @ 1st and Tex @ 1st but @ least Jason hit some big home-runs...can you imagine a Nunez special (E) to Tex? I can't, I'm really disappointed in the team and how they're handling things. I’ve been shocked at the way they’ve treated Alex; not the pinch-hit so much but the continuous shaming of him on so many levels.
The nonsense that Giradi is calling the shots on the lineup is just that – nonsense. Has anyone ever seen the GM come in to the press room before manager and give the reporters the lineup and tell them he made these decisions along w/Girardi and coaches?
When CC was asked what was the biggest lose (in terms of injuries) on the team this year – he said, A-Rod; Cashman said Mo.
This is not the 2003/4/5+ years when the team had a divided Jeter/ARod locker room. There are a lot of players in that clubhouse that look up to Alex – did you hear Raul when he was told to get ready to pinch-hit? The relationship Alex has w/Cano. Tex is tight w/Alex and he seems to be the De-facto leader now which should have been ARod’s job once Jeter went down.
According to David Wells, Alex got angry and pleaded his case to Girardi but I don’t think Girardi had the leeway to put him in the lineup. The mere fact that Alex’s #’s were so good against Verlander this year – even Verlander was surprised he wasn’t in the lineup. Chavez came in to back-up Alex not replace him and playing all these games in a row leads to a better chance that Chavez gets hurt. Yes, Chavez had hit a HR against him but it was an opposite field HR that just went out in the heat of summer.
This is a joke. And clearly it’s making me angry because as Alex said, they are a better lineup w/him in it. He can steal a base (Chavez can’t), he’s a good, smart base-runner.
Look, I guess the team just wants to humiliate him and they’re doing a good job of it. I think it’s UGLY, it has hurt the team on the field and I also believe it has affected the rest of the team.
The nonsense w/the girl in the stands – we’ve all (or anyone that’s gone to games) has seem a lot worse; I have no problem with it. Does anyone question the fact that the Yankees gave the Post that story? That’s the only thing that makes 1 remember George close to his worst.
I’m really disappointed in management – I thought they were a classier group than this until the way they treated Jeter during his negotiations. I didn’t care what they paid Jeter, I cared about them leaking the negotiations and trying to get fans to turn on him. This is just ugly.
And Nunez? I don’t see how they’re playing him behind CC who is a ground ball pitcher and needs those double-plays – if they do win tonight I hope to G-d they put Nix in behind Andy — that’s Andy’s whole game. This is just our intro to Nunez as the new SS and though there wasn’t a problem in the last game — well, this is a different pitcher. We’ve all seen the difference between Giambi @ 1st and Tex @ 1st but @ least Jason hit some big home-runs…can you imagine a Nunez special (E) to Tex?
I can’t, I’m really disappointed in the team and how they’re handling things.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299532 Alex Belth Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:07:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299532 I'd love to be victims like the Tiger fans. 3-0 lead. That's some tasty victimhood. LOL I’d love to be victims like the Tiger fans. 3-0 lead. That’s some tasty victimhood.

LOL

]]> By: Greg G http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299531 Greg G Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:54:33 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299531 [30] Cool poem! To weigh in here. While they signed ARod to this extension and likely knew about his PED use, nobody could prove anything, and if they had known that this was all going to come out, they might not have had to add all these clauses for milestones. Remember Bonds as he was passing the greats on the list, and he never even admitted to steroid use. And there was vitriol. Imagine what it will be like if ARod gets up into that group? Let's also remember how he threw his cousin under the bus about his PED use and didn't take full responsibility. Remember Pettite's confession and Giambi's? I agree that ARod is being rushed out of town, and the Yanks aren't sticking up for him at this point and they are trying to downgrade him to make it easier for fans to digest why they are getting rid of him, but they are also making it harder to get quality in return on a trade. It is also making it easier to get ARod to waive his no trade clause. You think ARod likes being booed every night? Remember what Torre wrote about ARod? (paraphrasing) He worries more about how he looks than being a team player. The real victims in this are the Detroit fans. Imagine having to hear and watch all this crap about ARod, while they are trying to enjoy winning over the Yankees? They keep showing closeups of ARod throughout the game, it is ridiculous. ARod is not a villain and he is not a victim here either. He is going to go home to an olympic-size swimming pool filled with cash and cry himself to sleep over the boos and the vicious reports, but I think in time, he will get over it. [30] Cool poem!

To weigh in here. While they signed ARod to this extension and likely knew about his PED use, nobody could prove anything, and if they had known that this was all going to come out, they might not have had to add all these clauses for milestones.

Remember Bonds as he was passing the greats on the list, and he never even admitted to steroid use. And there was vitriol. Imagine what it will be like if ARod gets up into that group?

Let’s also remember how he threw his cousin under the bus about his PED use and didn’t take full responsibility. Remember Pettite’s confession and Giambi’s?

I agree that ARod is being rushed out of town, and the Yanks aren’t sticking up for him at this point and they are trying to downgrade him to make it easier for fans to digest why they are getting rid of him, but they are also making it harder to get quality in return on a trade. It is also making it easier to get ARod to waive his no trade clause. You think ARod likes being booed every night?

Remember what Torre wrote about ARod? (paraphrasing) He worries more about how he looks than being a team player.

The real victims in this are the Detroit fans. Imagine having to hear and watch all this crap about ARod, while they are trying to enjoy winning over the Yankees? They keep showing closeups of ARod throughout the game, it is ridiculous.

ARod is not a villain and he is not a victim here either. He is going to go home to an olympic-size swimming pool filled with cash and cry himself to sleep over the boos and the vicious reports, but I think in time, he will get over it.

]]> By: Alex Belth http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299530 Alex Belth Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:50:47 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299530 33) Jon, Buster Olney--via Hardball Talk--echoes your common sense: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/18/thank-you-buster-olney/ 33) Jon, Buster Olney–via Hardball Talk–echoes your common sense:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/18/thank-you-buster-olney/

]]> By: Simone http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299529 Simone Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:49:00 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299529 Well, I think that Alex is gone. His benching followed by "insiders" confirming the Post story is typical George Steinbrenner treatment of a disposable player. The only thing missing is George's bellowing and public insults. George may be gone, but the Yankee organization was made his image and is not going to change anytime soon. The Yankees did not have to give Alex that huge contract, in fact, I think that was one of those who thought that they should have negotiated tougher or let him leave. But they were thinking dollar signs when he broke the home run record. If they really did know about his steroid use, then they were fools to do that deal, not because of any physical consequences, but because they should have anticipated that when it came out that his ability to generate revenue would decrease. I enjoyed watching Alex hit at his peak and most importantly, he helped the Yankees win a World Series which earns him goodwill. However, I won't be crying over his departure. Well, I think that Alex is gone. His benching followed by “insiders” confirming the Post story is typical George Steinbrenner treatment of a disposable player. The only thing missing is George’s bellowing and public insults. George may be gone, but the Yankee organization was made his image and is not going to change anytime soon.

The Yankees did not have to give Alex that huge contract, in fact, I think that was one of those who thought that they should have negotiated tougher or let him leave. But they were thinking dollar signs when he broke the home run record. If they really did know about his steroid use, then they were fools to do that deal, not because of any physical consequences, but because they should have anticipated that when it came out that his ability to generate revenue would decrease.

I enjoyed watching Alex hit at his peak and most importantly, he helped the Yankees win a World Series which earns him goodwill. However, I won’t be crying over his departure.

]]> By: William Juliano http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299528 William Juliano Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:48:07 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299528 Ultimately, it comes down to who gives you the best chance of winning, and I don't see how Chavez does that. Also, if the Yankees want to dump Arod in the offseason, fine, but who is playing third. Even with his injuries and significant decline, Arod has been one of the most productive at what has become a relatively weak position. If the Yankees are going to eat all of that money for nothing, they'd better be willing to spend even more. Finally, I don't think the 2007 contract extension was a mistake. I've said this time and again, but even knowing what I do now, I would sign it again because Arod's 2009 postseason is one of my fondest memories of a Yankee fan...one easily worth the money they are paying him. Ultimately, it comes down to who gives you the best chance of winning, and I don’t see how Chavez does that. Also, if the Yankees want to dump Arod in the offseason, fine, but who is playing third. Even with his injuries and significant decline, Arod has been one of the most productive at what has become a relatively weak position. If the Yankees are going to eat all of that money for nothing, they’d better be willing to spend even more.

Finally, I don’t think the 2007 contract extension was a mistake. I’ve said this time and again, but even knowing what I do now, I would sign it again because Arod’s 2009 postseason is one of my fondest memories of a Yankee fan…one easily worth the money they are paying him.

]]> By: Sliced Bread http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/18/the-humiliation-of-alex-rodriguez/#comment-299527 Sliced Bread Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:39:49 +0000 http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=93403#comment-299527 36) I don't see how you can think ARod is cool with being benched, and is not taking it personally. 36) I don’t see how you can think ARod is cool with being benched, and is not taking it personally.

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