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		<title>Hard Times</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[  The Boston Phoenix, the once-great alternative newspaper is gone. Over at Grantland, Charlie Pierce...]]></description>
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<p>The Boston Phoenix, the once-great alternative newspaper is gone. Over at Grantland, <a href="http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/71085/the-ashes-of-the-phoenix-saying-good-bye-to-a-boston-institution" target="_blank">Charlie Pierce remembers the old days</a>:</p>
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I mean. Jesus Mary, where do you start with the newspaper at which you grew so much, and learned so much, and came to respect the craft of journalism with a fervor that edged pretty damn close to the religious? What memories have pride of place now? The fact that T.A. Frail, now at Smithsonian, suggested you might just like Dos Passos’s <em>U.S.A. trilogy</em> and it wound up changing your life? The day that Doug Simmons, now at Bloomberg News, snuck up behind you and stuck a pair of earphones on your head, cranked Black Flag’s “Six Pack” up to 11, and taught you that rock and roll had not calcified when you graduated from college? What’s the song that plays when you realize that you’re young when you thought you were growing old? What’s the prayer of thanksgiving for a hundred days of fellowship, drunk on words, all of us, as though there were nothing more beyond the next word, the next sentence, the next paragraph locked into place? Please say that the muse is something beyond the balance sheet, something beyond technology. Tell me that she’s alive the way she once was when you’d feel her on your shoulder as one word slammed into the other, and the story got itself told, and you came to end and realized, with wonderment and awe, that the story existed out beyond you, and that it had chosen you, and you were its vehicle, and the grinning muse had the last laugh after all.</p>
<p>God, it was a carnival. I saw the publisher twice get into punch-ups, once with a staffer and the next time with a janitor. And, in both cases, it was at a Christmas party. We never got paid much, but we did get paid, and we were able to write about what we wanted to write the way we wanted to write it. We were a legitimate institution of Boston eccentricity, and we were proud of the fact that we were recognized for being that very thing. In 1982, when the 76ers beat the Celtics, and the Garden erupted into a chant of “Beat L.A.!,” the great Bob Ryan interviewed Darryl Dawkins and found Michael Gee, then covering the game for us. You have to have this quote, Ryan told him, because we can’t use it. Ryan had asked Dawkins what he felt like when he heard that chant from a Boston crowd.</p>
<p>“Man,” Dawkins said, “when I heard that, my dick got stiff.”</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, that was Gee’s lead.
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		<title>One-Eyed Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/01/14/one-eyed-jack-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My George Kimball story got some love on Only a Game. Listen. [Photo Via: The...]]></description>
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<p>My <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Best-American-Sports-Writing-2012/dp/0547336977/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1357336298&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=best+american+sports+writing+2012" target="_blank">George Kimball story</a> got some love on O<em>nly a Game</em>.</p>
<p><a href="http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2013/01/05/best-american-sports-writing-2012" target="_blank">Listen.</a></p>
<p>[Photo Via: <a href="http://thebrunettedreams.tumblr.com/post/39978609520/psychoactivelectricity-zenith-radio-1935" target="_blank">The Brunette</a>]</p>
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		<title>Up Jump the Boogie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My profile of the late George Kimball appeared on Deadspin last December. I worked long...]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://deadspin.com/5863743/the-two+fisted-one+eyed-misadventures-of-sportswritings-last-badass" target="_blank">My profile of the late George Kimball appeared on Deadspin</a> last December. I worked long and hard on that piece and was proud of the effort. And now some nice personal news I&#8217;d like to share with you&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been selected to <a href="http://indiepro.com/glenn/best-american-sports-writing-2012/" target="_blank">The Best American Sports Writing 2012 (Edited by Mike Wilbon)</a>.</p>
<p>Derek Jeter fist pump.</p>
<p>And this:</p>
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		<title>Lean and Mean</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s Denis Johnson on the importance of Leonard Gardner&#8217;s novel, &#8220;Fat City&#8221;: My neighbor across...]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.salon.com/1996/09/30/gardner/singleton/" target="_blank">Denis Johnson on the importance of Leonard Gardner&#8217;s novel, &#8220;Fat City&#8221;</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>My neighbor across the road, also a young literary hopeful, felt the same. We talked about every paragraph of “Fat City” one by one and over and over, the way couples sometimes reminisce about each moment of their falling in love.</p>
<p>And like most youngsters in the throes, I assumed I was among the very few humans who’d ever felt this way. In the next few years, studying at the Writer’s Workshop in Iowa City, I was astonished every time I met a young writer who could quote esctatically line after line of dialogue from the down-and-out souls of “Fat City,” the men and women seeking love, a bit of comfort, even glory — but never forgiveness — in the heat and dust of central California. Admirers were everywhere.</p>
<p>My friend across the road saw Gardner in a drugstore in California once, recognized him from his jacket photo. He was looking at a boxing magazine. “Are you Leonard Gardner?” my friend asked. “You must be a writer,” Gardner said, and went back to the magazine. I made him tell the story a thousand times.</p></blockquote>
<p>For more on Gardner, check out this <a href="http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/7202-fat-city-and-fat-city-an-appreciation" target="_blank">appreciation by our old pal George Kimball</a>.</p>
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		<title>Opening Day at Fenway</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 13:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a wonderful piece by our old pal, the late George Kimball. It&#8217;s about Opening...]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a wonderful piece by our old pal, the late George Kimball. It&#8217;s about Opening Day at Fenway Park, 1971.</p>
<p>It appears in the fine collection, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Baseball-Gave-Best-Years-Life/dp/1556430833" target="_blank">&#8220;Baseball I Gave You All The Best Years of My Life.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Enjoy.</p>
<p><strong>Opening Day at Fenway Park</strong></p>
<p><strong>By George Kimball</strong></p>
<p>Years ago—only a few years ago, actually, but still years before the miracle year of 1967 and years before it became chic to root for the Red Sox—the centerfield bleachers at Fenway were traditionally the habitat of the most diehard of Sox aficionados. If the bleacherites weren’t the most knowledgeable fans, they were close to it, and they were certainly the most faithful. I suspect I was exposed to more genuine baseball lore, more understandings of the subtleties and stratagems of the game, and perhaps most importantly, more sheer love for the sport by sitting exclusively in the bleachers from boyhood through my early twenties than I’ve encountered in any reserved seat press box since.</p>
<p>This, of course, was back in the days when the Red Sox were drawing so poorly that they had to schedule night games around the Hatch Shell concerts in the summer and when a gate of 20,000 on Opening Day was considered spectacular. But from April through September the coterie in center field retained fidelity unmatched anywhere else in the American League. And while the businessmen who bought season tickets might sit next to someone in an adjacent box all season long and never exchange six words, there were people out there who’d been friends for twenty-five years yet never seen each other outside Fenway Park.</p>
<p>There were the beaten old men who looked like they’d just panhandled the 50 cent admission price, the retired gentlemen with their transistor radios and the truck drivers who took their shirts off on hot summer days. There were two old ladies from Dorchester, both named Mary, who attended the afternoon games as faithfully as they attended Mass. They left home early in the morning, bringing their Official Big League Scorebook along to Church, and after lunch in Kenmore Square, showed up at the park before batting practice started. They never went to night games, but the Boys from Chelsea did.</p>
<p>The Boys from Chelsea—three of them, Felix, Vinny, and Joe, all cab drivers, I believe, invariably turned up at night, and two or three of their friends often made it—were inveterate gamblers. They came to games weighted down with 50 cent rolls of pennies, and would wager with each other and anyone else on every conceivable facet of the game, from whether the next batter would get a hit (3 to 1 for Mantle or Willams; 6 to 1 for most pitchers) to an error on the next play (usually about 25 to 1, but you could always haggle) to the possibility of Casey Stengel being ejected during the course of the game. (If you got a bet down at the prevailing 7½ to 1 odds on Jackie Jensen hitting into a double play at every available opportunity, you usually made out over the course of a season.)</p>
<p>And there was Fat Howie. Fat Howie was on speaking terms with every centerfielder in the league. He’d sit right next to the rope (the section in straightaway center, directly in the batter’s line of vision, ALWAYS used to be roped off; since the space is needed now, the seats are painted green and the customers are allowed to sit there, provided they wear dark clothing) and carry on a running dialogue. Howie would lean over the wall between innings and yell out to Bob Allison: <em>“Hey, Bob, what&#8217;s happening in Cleveland?”</em> (The scoreboard on the left field wall can’t be seen from the bleachers in center.) And Allison would check the score and holler back: <em>“4 to 2 Indians, Howie.”</em> Howie was always there, day or night. I don’t know what he did for a living; maybe he took his summers off.</p>
<p>And, of course, there was the gang I hung out with in college. We’d usually catch about 20 or 30 games a year, always going in a group of four or five and always with a case of beer. Back then there was no hassle about bringing your own beer in to the bleachers; everyone did it, and probably would still be able to except for one particularly raucous occasion in the spring of 1964 when the bleachers were invaded by a few hundred Friday night beer drinkers posing as baseball fans.</p>
<p>Along about the sixth inning they were very drunk and very angry. The Red Sox were being humiliated by the lowly Kansas City Athletics (commonly referred to at the time as the “Kansas City Faggots,” since they wore bright gold suits with green trim, long before mod uniforms became fashionable), and someone heaved an empty beer can in the direction of Jose Tartabull, the A’s centerfielder. An umpire ran out to retrieve it, and was greeted by a fusillade of beer cans. This brought the park police out on the field, and the shelling exploded for real. One cop was cold-cocked by a beer can—a full one—and the barrage continued for about ten minutes, abating not because the park announcer warned that the umpires were threatening to forfeit the game, but only because the assholes ran out of ammunition. After that they started checking you out for beer when you came through the gate, and—at 55 cents a cup—the price of drinking went up considerably in center field.</p>
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<p>Besides me, there were 34,516 other paying customers there last week. I hadn’t been to an opener at Fenway for seven years, though I caught a couple at Shea Stadium and K.C. Municipal. I looked around for Howie and the two Mary’s, but I didn’t see them. I suspect they’d be pretty uncomfortable out there these days anyway; the bleachers last Tuesday were packed with a crowd that would’ve been indistinguishable from the occupants of the cheap seats at the Fillmore East: freaks sporting Mao buttons, long-haired college kids, high school hippies, and even teenyboppers, with bells, beads, and blemishes.</p>
<p>Initially, anyway, that was relieving. For several years now I’ve found myself trembling whenever the National Anthem is played at sporting events, not out of patriotic sentiment but of fear that some flag-crazed lunatic sitting in back of me will be overcome by his emotions and seize the opportunity to bludgeon me from behind with his souvenir Louisville Slugger. Since the first ball on Opening Day was thrown out by a Vietnam veteran, a former POW, the new crowd did thus provide at least a reassuring measure of collective security during the pre-game ceremonies, helping to compensate for the nostalgic loss of old ambience.</p>
<p>On the very first play of the game, Yastrzemski made an incredible driving, sliding catch by the left field line off Horace Clarke’s bat, roller over and held the glove aloft. Now in the old days Jimmy Doyle from East Boston would’ve been yelling <em>“Atta boy, Carl, Baby”</em> in his booming foghorn voice, a voice so loud that even in the middle of 35.000 fans Yaz would’ve heard him. But the ovation from the bleachers was only polite applause by comparison. <em>“That was a pretty nice, catch,”</em> commented one of the kids behind me.</p>
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<p>Ray Culp retired the Yankees 1-2-3 in the first, but despite two hits the Sox’ half of the first was scarcely more auspicious. Luis Aparicio led off with a smash over third base, which Jerry Kenney backhanded with a superb stab observed by everyone in Fenway Park except Aparicio and first base coach Dan Lenhardt, who waved Luis around toward second—directly into a rundown. Reggie Smith followed with another single but, after Yaz flied out, Reggie, the team’s top base thief, was thrown out trying to steal second.</p>
<p>The Yankees went down in order in each of the next two innings. As the Sox trotted off the field after the third, one of the kids behind me turned to his companion and breathlessly uttered: <em>“He&#8217;s pitching a no-hitter!”</em></p>
<p>Now, according to every sacred tradition of the game’s etiquette, this is something which is <em>never</em> mentioned aloud—particularly after only three innings have been played. I was on the verge of turning around and instructing him on the point when his friend smugly added: “He’s pitching a <em>perfect game</em>.”</p>
<p>Fat Howie would have thrown them both over the wall.</p>
<p>I sat seething as the Red Sox went down 1-2-3 again, and then decided that it was time to make a beer run. “My turn,” I said, and after entrusting my scorecard to the guy sitting next to me, began making my way down the aisle. I paused at the top of the runway just in time to see Thurman Munson chop a slow-roller to the third-base side of the mound.</p>
<p>A pitcher fleeter afoot would have handled it with ease; Sox pitching coach Harvey Haddix, about 50 now, could <em>still</em> have eaten it alive. Culp himself could probably have made the play three times out of four, but as he lumbered off the mound he not only overran the ball but momentarily blocked out Petrocelli racing in from third. Rico barehanded the ball and whipped it to first in one motion, but too late to catch Munson. An infield single; the Yankees had their first hit, and I knew exactly where the blame lay. <em>“Smart-ass punks!”</em> I shook my fist at them as I descended the stairs.</p>
<p>I returned with the beer to find Reggie Smith on second with a double and Yastrzemski coming to bat. Taking my scorecard back, I matter-of-factly threw out <em>“Here comes the first run of the season!”</em>, which would’ve immediately been covered at 7 to 2 by Felix or Vinny. There was no response to the challenge here, though, and naturally Yaz responded with a run-scoring double.</p>
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<p>Between innings the guy who’d been keeping my scorecard wanted to know what the funny little illegibly-scrawled notes in the margin were all about. I briefly considered a number of spectacular fabrications, but finally admitted that I wrote for the <em>Phoenix</em> and planned to do a story of some sort about Opening Day.</p>
<p>“Oh <em>yeah</em>?” He eyed me strangely. “If you’re a sportswriter why the fuck are you sittin’ <em>here</em>,” he gestured toward the press box. “Instead of up there?” The fact of the matter was that the Rex Sox had declined to provide the paper with press tickets, but for some reason I mumbled that I liked it better in the bleachers. At one time that would’ve been true; today it made me twice a liar.</p>
<p>The middle innings were largely uneventful, except for Duane Josephson knocking Kenney squarely on his ass while breaking up a double play, and the fact that somebody nearby produced a hash pipe. Since the hash was still being circulated when the time came, the people next to me remained sitting through the seventh inning stretch, yet another tradition shot to hell. We did come up with another run in the seventh anyway. Following two singles, a sacrifice, and an intentional walk to pinchhitter Joe Lahoud, Culp hit a sure double-play ball to short, but John Kennedy, running for Lahoud, bowled over Clarke at second, knocking the ball away and allowing the run to score.</p>
<p>New York led off the eighth with their second and third hits. After an error and two putouts, the bases were loaded, two out, when Clarke stroked a base hit to right apparently certain to score two runs, but Josephson perfectly blocked the plate long enough to get Smith’s throw to home and somehow the tying run was out at the plate. <em>“Perfect throw,”</em> approved one of the morons behind me. Of course it was <em>not</em> a perfect throw; it bounced three times and Scott almost cut it off and the runner had it beaten by at least ten feet had Josephson not had his body in the way.</p>
<p>The Sox scored their third run the way they are supposed to be scored: Yaz singled, went to third on a single by Rico, and came home on Scott’s sacrifice fly. Unspectacular, but it is the sort of thing that games are won by. Just as I’d called Josephson a “mediocre catcher” in print that morning—he came through with three hits and that key play at the plate that afternoon—I also picked the Sox to finish second behind Baltimore. One game does not a season make, but I’m looking forward to having reason to revise both assessments. I’m also looking for a new place to sit.</p>
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<p>[This story appears with permission from the late <a href="http://www.georgekimball.com/" target="_blank">George Kimball</a>; it originally appeared in the <em>Boston Phoenix</em>. The photograph of George was taken by Hal Whalen.]</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last year I wrote a profile for Deadspin on the late George Kimball. It began...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year I wrote <a href="http://deadspin.com/5863743/the-two+fisted-one+eyed-misadventures-of-sportswritings-last-badass" target="_blank">a profile for Deadspin on the late George Kimball</a>. It began as an interview for this site, conducted via e-mail, ostensibly to promote <a href="http://www.amazon.com/At-Fights-American-Writers-Boxing/dp/1598530925" target="_blank">&#8220;At the Fights,&#8221; a boxing compilation George co-edited with John Schulian</a>. Once I learned about what a fascinating life George had led, I decided to write a longer piece instead. However, I had five months worth of e-mail exchanges on my hand, George musing about his childhood and his career.  I&#8217;ve compiled them here, and while the following in no way presents a complete portrait of his life, I think you will enjoy a little more Kimball.</p>
<p><strong>Bronx Banter: Your father was a career military man and you grew up all over the world. Did you follow boxing at all as a kid?</strong></p>
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<p><strong>George Kimball:</strong> Aha, so this is going to be one of those psychological-minded interviews. My wife Marge would like that. She&#8217;s a shrink and says I&#8217;m the least psychological-minded person she knows. Sure, I watched the fights on TV with my father (and with his father) from the mid 50s on. It was a revelation to me at the live readings we did on each coast last year for The Fighter Still Remains to learn how just many of the people involved in that book had initially come to boxing the same way, as a sort of connection to their fathers at a time when there might not have been much else that did connect them.</p>
<p>Beginning in late &#8217;57, which is when we moved to Germany, I followed boxing quite avidly in the papers, or really, paper. (There was an English-language weekly called The Overseas Family that covered our high school games but not much on a global scale.) Stars and Stripes, on the other hand, was a daily that carried pretty extensive coverage of both the important professional bouts (Robinson&#8217;s and Patterson&#8217;s in particular) as well as the military ones that took place in Europe, which were considered a pretty big deal, particularly as we edged toward the &#8217;60 Olympics, which were going to be in Rome. So I&#8217;d have certainly known who all the professional champions and most of the contenders were, as well as the top Europeans (like Laszlo Papp, for instance). I don&#8217;t recall that we attended any of the bouts on the bases where we were (my father was stationed at Bamberg and Bayreuth, and I went away to the American school in Nurnberg), none of which harbored any of the really promising service amateurs, but I monitored the progress of &#8220;our&#8221; boxers – the Army guys stationed elsewhere in Europe – as they all fell by the wayside on the road to Rome with one notable exception, Sgt. Eddie Crook, who wound up being one of three U.S. boxing gold medalists in Rome. (Cassius Clay and Skeeter McClure were the others.) I liked Clay even then, since he was from Louisville, my mother&#8217;s hometown.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that I regarded it as crushing at the time, but the Rome Olympics actually coincided with our move back to the states. I watched a lot of the Games at the home of one grandparent or another as we spent a few weeks visiting both after having been out of the country for three years. I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d have been able to attend had we stayed in Europe even a few weeks longer, but I had gone to Rome the previous summer, so it wouldn&#8217;t have been out of the question.</p>
<p>I played football and basketball at Nurnberg, and ran track in the spring. Summers I played in an AYA baseball league made up of towns that had bases. The football away games were same-day trips, but in basketball every other weekend there&#8217;d be a road trip – like you&#8217;d play a game in Munich or Heidelberg on Friday night, stay overnight, and then play in Augsburg or Mannheim on Saturday afternoon and bus back to Nurnberg on Saturday night.</p>
<p>The Army also had a really top-flight league of post teams that played a regular schedule, mostly, I think, on Sunday afternoons. The teams were open to everybody stationed there, so what you wound up with at a relatively large post like Bamberg was virtually a college all-star team. Everybody used to turn out to watch the home games, and I watched a lot of those on weekends when I went home. (They even used to broadcast a game of the week on AFN.) Eddie Crook, by the way, was the quarterback for the Berlin team, which was all the more unusual because most of the guys in his huddle would have been officers. He was the first black quarterback I&#8217;d ever seen, at any level.</p>
<p><strong>BB: What was it like following sports when you moved around so much?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> My father followed the NFL avidly, or at least he did after we came back to the states in 1960 when there was football on television every Sunday no matter where you lived. We were in San Antonio my senior year, and also got the AFL games on TV. My old man had played both football and baseball at UMass (when it was still Mass State) and followed both sports. I remember sitting up with a couple of my classmates in the dorm in Nurnberg, charting the Colts-Giants overtime game off the radio broadcast. That was pretty exciting even on the radio, believe it or not.</p>
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<p>Even moving around, you maintained your allegiances. I was a Red Sox and Cardinals fan and religiously followed both teams, even though in some cases the news and box scores were two days old.</p>
<p>That year in San Antonio I was working for nights 75 cents an hour, first sacking groceries and then, once I got my license, delivering prescriptions for a pharmacy, and without telling anyone saved up enough to buy two tickets to the first AFL championship game in Houston. Once the tickets came in the mail I still had a problem, because Houston was three hours away and I needed the family car to drive there with my date. When I finally worked up the nerve to ask my father his solution was that sure, I could borrow his car – as long as he got to use the other ticket. So I ended up at Jeppesen Stadium in Houston watching that game with my father.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Were you tight with your siblings?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Probably less so than would have been the case with an average family, simply because of the circumstances in which I grew up. My brother Tim, who is just a year and a half younger, only spent one year at Nurnberg when I was going there, and apart from my senior year in Texas I really didn&#8217;t live year-round with my family after my freshman year in high school. I was quite a bit older – six years older than the next-closest sibling – and my youngest brother wasn&#8217;t even born until I was in my second year of college. The age gap tends to shrink with the passage of time, so I&#8217;m probably more in contact with, and closer to, most of them now than I was when we were growing up.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Did you read any sports writers as a kid?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I think one of the early sportswriters I read avidly must have been Earl Ruby, of the <em>Louisville Courier Journal</em>. I also came across a collection of Furman Bisher&#8217;s pretty early on. I was reading constantly, absolutely haunted the library, but probably didn&#8217;t read a hell of a lot of sports books per se, and wasn&#8217;t much exposed to the great ones unless they were already dead and collected, like maybe Grantland Rice or Ring Lardner. I couldn&#8217;t have been more than ten or eleven when I read a collection of Irvin S. Cobb that my mother owned. But I don&#8217;t think I even began to form an idea that great sports writing could also be great writing until I started to pay attention to <em>Sports Illustrated</em>, which would have been the fall of 1960. I don&#8217;t know that we ever saw <em>SI</em> in Germany.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Sounds like sports played an important part of your childhood. What about the arts? Was their music in your house as a kid? Movies, radio? What about books?</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> That was always pretty important to me. When we were in Bayreuth I used to go to the Wagner festival with my mother because my father hated opera. I think my parents liked musicals even as much as I did, so that was there from an early age. I played the trumpet for a while and liked a lot of jazz. My parents had some jazz records, but I was the one, at probably age 15, who brought Charlie Parker into the house, and who introduced them to Miles Davis, Gerry Mulligan, and Chet Baker. Of course I listened to early rock, as did my contemporaries. Everybody listened to that, but only a few of my contemporaries were as into jazz as I was, and the number that listened to Broadway musical scores was even smaller, so when I listened to Rogers and Hammerstein or Mario Lanza, a lot of times it was alone in my room. Didn&#8217;t listen to much radio at all, that I can remember, apart from in the car.</p>
<p>I pretty much lived in the library, even in Germany. I&#8217;d even take dates there. No matter what else I was doing I was probably reading at least a couple of books a week for almost as long as I can remember. Movies were important during the years I lived in Germany. The new films would eventually get there, so we didn&#8217;t feel cheated that they&#8217;d been out for a few months in the states, and I can&#8217;t remember whether they cost 15 cents or a quarter, but they were certainly affordable. We had one night a week in Nurnberg where you could sign out for an early film, and then on weekends I&#8217;d usually see one too.</p>
<p><strong>BB: I know you are a fan of musicals. I think K<em>iss Me, Kate</em> was the first long-playing record my dad ever bought—he was six or seven years older than you.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> I first saw <em>Kiss Me, Kate</em> performed at Garmisch-Partenkirchen, in the Alps, in 1959. Went with my mother because my father didn&#8217;t want to go. I think we had all of the early Rogers and Hammerstein cast recordings at the house when I was growing up – <em>Carousel</em>, <em>Oklahoma</em>, <em>South Pacific</em> and <em>The King and I</em>, and I eventually saw all of those done in New York, in London, in regional theatre, what have you. Even saw <em>Kiss Me, Kate</em> on Broadway about ten years ago. I think the Rogers and Hammerstein led me back to their earlier collaborators like Lorenz Hart and Jerome Kern and their spiritual descendants like Lerner and Loewe, or Frank Loesser. I think there was a definable Golden Age that began in the late ‘20s with <em>Show Boat</em> and ended probably fifty years ago which was marked by a greatness that&#8217;s never been achieved since, which is why I enjoy the revivals more than most new musicals. I saw the Lincoln Center <em>South Pacific</em> nine times in three years, I think (and a few weeks ago I took Danny Burstein to DiBella&#8217;s boxing card at B.B. King’s.). At their best there were others in this era like Cole Porter and Irving Berlin who could be great but I thought both inconsistent. Annie Get Your Gun, for instance, is brilliant (despite a notably dumb book), and right up there with the best of Rogers and Hammerstein, but Berlin wrote some shows I wouldn&#8217;t want to even sit through. I think the symbiosis of great lyricists and composers is what defined these. I love West Side Story, for instance, but never warmed to some of Bernstein&#8217;s film scores, and I think Sondheim did his best work on that one when he was a lyricist, period. I like some of his stuff, and hope to go see Danny and Bernadette Peters do Follies at the Kennedy Center in May, but I don&#8217;t see Sondheim as an heir to the tradition.</p>
<p><strong>BB: What about Gilbert and Sullivan?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Gilbert and Sullivan is an acquired taste I guess I never acquired. It&#8217;s cute, but I don&#8217;t think especially good musically, and it makes you work to get the lyrics, which isn’t the way it&#8217;s supposed to be. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever walked around with a Gilbert and Sullivan song in my head, for instance, but with some of these other classics, especially Rogers and Hammerstein, it happens all the time. Some of the movie recordings of Rogers and Hammerstein were quite good even if the movies themselves weren&#8217;t. John Raitt was the original Billy in <em>Carousel</em>, around the time I was born, and I met him years later when I had dinner with him and Bonnie.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: You would have been a teenager when Lenny Bruce and Mort Sahl and Nichols and May were hitting the scene. Did you follow any comedians?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Comedy? Being in Germany from 1957-1960 was like a time warp in that respect. The PX didn&#8217;t stock Lenny Bruce or even Mort Sahl, so for my friends and me they might as well not have existed. Nichols and May I read about in <em>Time</em> magazine, I think, but never heard them till I came back to the states. Hell, I think it was 1962 or 63 before I ever heard Lord Buckley. If I listened to any comedy at all overseas I think it was Stan Freberg or Victor Borge, and Newhart came along about ‘60, I think. I probably read Sahl before I ever heard him, and was way late in coming to Lenny Bruce.</p>
<p><strong>BB: At what time did you find yourself starting to rebel against your father, and right-wing politics in general?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I&#8217;d say the first conflicts that were plainly philosophical and political (as opposed to just generational) came my freshman year in college at Kansas. Almost from the moment I got to KU I was hanging with the &#8220;beatniks,&#8221; the painters and poets and musicians and actors, even though I was a clean-cut ROTC Midshipman who had to wear my uniform to class a couple of days a week. I liked Lawrence but intensely disliked the discipline and even the curriculum. (I had a few electives but was required to take physics and calculus, both of which I absolutely hated and still don&#8217;t understand the first thing about.) So the battle lines were first probably drawn even then. Before the year was out I&#8217;d dropped out of school (and ROTC) and wound up back in Massachusetts, living on my own and working at an amusement park in Hull; my grandparents lived in the adjacent town.</p>
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<p>What remained of getting an education was pretty much up to me from then on. My father&#8217;s thinking was that since I&#8217;d been the one who fucked up the free ride, I was on my own, and he followed pretty much the same guidelines with all my brothers and sisters if they dropped out or changed curriculums or whatever, and surprisingly, most of them did. My brother Tim quit the University of Louisville and joined the Army; my sister Jennifer had a full ride at Hollins, but after her junior year at the Sorbonne decided to stay on in Paris, and I think my two youngest brothers both wound up on academic probation at Alabama, which really takes some doing. Even my sister Becky blew up at band scholarship at the University of Kentucky when she switched from music to a journalism major. With me as with them he&#8217;d have still been willing to help out with college if I&#8217;d been willing to live at home and commute. That of course was unthinkable to me, though a few of the others did that after frittering away their scholarships; the closest I came was that one summer, when my father was in Laos, I stayed at their house and took classes at St. Mary&#8217;s while driving a taxi in Leavenworth on the night shift; in one of the high points of my academic career I wound up getting an A in a &#8216;Philosophy of Communism&#8217; course taught by a Sister of Charity with whom I had verbally jousted every single day that summer.</p>
<p>By then there were lots of times when my father and I barely spoke, but I distinctly remember at the end of spring break 1963, the night before I was taking off again, leaving at the crack of dawn to thumb back to Boston and Massachusetts Bay Community College, which he considered a total waste of time on my part – he was probably right, but it was one of the few places where I could afford the tuition and still keep 1,500 miles between me and my parents – we watched the fatal Emile Griffith-Benny Paret fight together.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Tell me about going to school at KU with Gayle Sayers and Bill James. Did you know either of them at all?</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> The first time I saw Sayers touch a football I knew that if what he was playing was football, I&#8217;d been playing a game that should have had a different name. He was that much better than not just me, but everybody else, too. As freshmen we lived on the same floor in the same dorm, but he was pretty distant and intimidating, so there wasn&#8217;t a lot of conversation between us even when we&#8217;d find ourselves watching TV together. (Somebody once warned me that he didn&#8217;t like white people, and another guy corrected him and said, &#8220;He doesn&#8217;t like ANYBODY.&#8221;) It was years later that we talked about this and he said that his attitude at that time had really been a defense mechanism, because he was afraid he didn&#8217;t belong in college at all and was basically terrified by his circumstances.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t actually meet Bill James until much later, I think in the very early ‘80s, just after I&#8217;d started at the Herald, at Fenway Park. Glenn Stout brought Bill to Opening Day, and knew I&#8217;d be sitting in the bleachers as I always did on Opening Day back then, so it was really Glenn who introduced us. Bill told me on that occasion that he had voted for me when I ran for sheriff in 1970. Of course if everyone who&#8217;s told me that in the years since actually had voted for me, I&#8217;d have won the fucking election. It&#8217;s really too bad that Bill and Susan moved to Boston at pretty much exactly the same time I moved to New York, because I&#8217;d liked to have seen more of them. As it is, we cross paths occasionally in Lawrence now but even then only rarely.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Did growing up in a military family fuel your rebellious nature? And even when you weren&#8217;t on speaking terms with your father did you seek his approval?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I don&#8217;t know that it fueled any rebellious nature, though it obviously ended up that way on my part, as it did with some of the guys I&#8217;d gone to school with. But an amazing preponderance of my classmates ended up in the military themselves, or married career soldiers, and a lot of those that didn&#8217;t wound up Republicans, so I don&#8217;t think I was part of any identifiable trend. Best way I can answer that was that however strained everything else got, sports was always a common ground, and we could always get through a football game without an argument.</p>
<p><strong>BB: How did you lose your eye?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Short answer is that I was the runner-up in a dispute with a guy who broke a quart beer bottle over my face at a party on Beacon Hill in early ‘64. (He thought I was laughing at him; I wasn&#8217;t) He was a pretty paranoid black guy. I&#8217;d just walked back from the liquor store with a case of beer when his girlfriend introduced us, and when I then shouted across the room to a friend asking for a church key he grabbed me and said &#8220;Hey man, you going for a blade?&#8221; I thought he was kidding and kind of shook my arm free and started to walk away. He hit me full-force from behind, cut up my face but more importantly the eye just exploded.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: And so when did you meet Hunter S. Thompson?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Met Hunter in ‘67 or ‘68 in New York. I was working for his agent at the time Hell’s Angels book was published, and subletting my apartment from Paul Blackburn, whose wife Sara had been the editor who brought Hunter to Random House.</p>
<p><strong>BB: And you got a piece in the <em>Paris Review</em>, right?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> My <em>Paris Review</em> publication was poetry, as was most of what I published in various little magazines beginning about 1965. I was pretty much a fixture around the St. Mark’s poetry project back then, and half the poets in the country must have lived within a few blocks of me when I lived first on Avenue C and then on East 7th Street, next door to McSorley&#8217;s. I did do a book review (of Ishmael Reed&#8217;s <em>The Freelance Pallbearers</em> for a soft-core mag called <em>Escapade</em>, one of several <em>Playboy</em> knockoffs that were going at the time. (Ishmael claimed that I&#8217;d been the only white reviewer who understood his book.) These mags were supporting quite a few people back then – Baldwin covered the Liston-Patterson fight for <em>Nugget</em>, for instance.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Who were you reading in those days? Was Terry Southern an influence at all?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> There were a lot of people besides poets hanging around the St. Mark’s scene then—folk singers, painters, etc. were also plentiful, and Terry Southern was one of them. I think when I first met him I&#8217;d read only Candy (which Girodias re-issued, along with Donleavy&#8217;s <em>The Ginger Man</em>, when he set up shop in New York; those books had exactly the same cover as <em>Only Skin Deep</em>, so I always made sure bookshops in places like Iowa City ordered all three titles. Not quite by coincidence Hamill and I are going to the Tibor de Nagy gallery today to see this poets and painters show from that era, and I imagine I&#8217;ll see a lot of collaborations between friends of mine from the ’60s.</p>
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<p>I was still reading anything and everything, but during the decade of the ’60s read pretty much everything Kerouac, Donleavy, Baldwin, etc. had written. But I also managed to read Liebling, Budd Schulberg, et al too. I read most of Mailer but wasn&#8217;t bowled over even by his best – and I was working for his agent from late ’66 to ’68. And of course even when I was spending my nights at poetry readings and gatherings I was reading the New York sports pages religiously. By ’68 or so I&#8217;d met Larry Merchant and Vic Ziegel and Lenny Shecter at the Lions Head, and about the same time became friends with Hamill and Joe Flaherty. Only Skin Deep, which was published in September of ’68, mentions Merchant and Jim Carroll&#8217;s <em>Basketball Diaries</em>, which made it pretty unique in the world of international porn. The publication party was at the Lions Head the night before I left for Iowa, and when Andy Warhol showed up it was the first time he&#8217;d gone out in public since he got shot by Valerie Solanis earlier in the year.</p>
<p><strong>BB: I ate dinner with Vic once before he passed away and he told me about worshipping at the altar of Lenny Shecter, who is tragically overlooked these days. I think Shecter&#8217;s hard cynicism is close to some of the Deadspin sensibility. Do you think he would have eventually quit writing about sports altogether if he had stayed alive? His collection The Jocks showed that he had much contempt for big time sports.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> Odd thing about Lenny was that for all the humor he evinced in his writing he really didn&#8217;t have a great sense of humor, or at least didn&#8217;t really seem to enjoy himself the way his acolytes like Vic and Larry did. Lenny was, of course, the original “chipmunk,&#8221; but while it was easy to picture Larry and Vic and Stan Isaacs as “chipmunks,&#8221; the term seemed misapplied when applied to Lenny. I think you&#8217;re right that he was really sick and tired of sports, and given the financial cushion that came with Ball Four he probably would have completely moved on. But he could be almost nasty when he thought he was right and you were wrong. I remember being in New York and at the head a week or so after I&#8217;d gone up to see Jim Bouton, who was plotting some sort of comeback, pitch a few innings, I think it was, in a minor league game out in Pittsfield, and I&#8217;d described the way some 20 year-old hitter had almost gone into contortions over a knuckler. Lenny says, &#8220;Couldn&#8217;t have happened. Jim told me he only threw smoke that day,&#8221; and I say, &#8220;Lenny, I was there. He didn&#8217;t throw a lot of them, but he threw one to that batter.&#8221; &#8220;Maybe it was just a change-up you saw,&#8221; he says. I finally said &#8220;Lenny, give me a little credit here. I know a fucking knuckleball when I see one.&#8221; Really odd because he always had to get the last word in, and this time wanted to argue something I&#8217;d seen and he hadn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Another night I was in the head with Leigh Montville and this doll about 25 appears at the bar. Leigh wants to know what her story was and I told him. &#8220;She&#8217;s a sportswriter groupie.&#8221; He of course refuses to believe that there is such a thing, let alone one this good looking. He finally tries to strike up a conversation and she says, &#8220;Have you guys seen Lenny Shecter? I&#8217;m supposed to meet him here tonight.&#8221; Lenny was twice her age and didn&#8217;t exactly have movie star looks, so Montville was really impressed that he had groupies.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Did you guys all admire Jimmy Breslin?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Sure, everybody admired Breslin. I&#8217;d read him religiously long before I met him. He wasn&#8217;t around the bar a lot but his column was a topic of conversation almost any day it ran.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Did most of the Lion&#8217;s Head guys stick to booze or did they smoke a lot of weed and take harder drugs too?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Most were strictly drinkers, a few guys smoked weed but more at parties or at home. The most obvious exception was Wes Joice, the owner. Even back in the ‘60s it was a running joke that he was perpetually stoned the way some drunks never sober up. Pretty much as soon as he finished his first cup of coffee he&#8217;d go down to the office to smoke a joint. He often invited me down, but got so I rarely went because the shit he was smoking was so powerful it would leave me catatonic.</p>
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<p>By the ‘80s Wes, along with most of the American and National Leagues, had graduated to coke. Now I usually would accept if he invited me down to the inner sanctum. One night Bob Arum was with me when he did and Bob did one of those numbers straight out of <em>Annie Hall</em>, not knowing what he was doing, exhaled when he should have inhaled and blew a couple hundred dollars worth of cocaine all over the office. Sometimes this would be decent stuff, more often not. There was a dealer (later immortalized as &#8220;the Weasel&#8221; in Kinky Friedman&#8217;s Greenwich Killing Time), you could have set your watch by. Six o&#8217;clock every evening, rain or shine, he&#8217;d walk down the steps, and for a couple of hours he&#8217;d conduct a lively business out of the men&#8217;s room at the Lions Head. It got so sometimes you&#8217;d walk in to take a piss and on right top of the toilet paper dispenser there&#8217;d be a couple of lines just sitting there that somebody had laid out and then been so fucked up that they forgot to snort it. His shit was quite mediocre and the standard line was that if John Belushi had only known the Weasel he&#8217;d have been alive today.</p>
<p><strong>BB: How big of a deal was <em>Harpers</em> magazine during those years, the Willie Morris time? And were guys like David Halberstam and Gay Talese widely admired in your downtown scene?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> <em>Harpers</em> was a bigger deal in some circles that I was really more on the fringe of, like George Plimpton&#8217;s, but not so much among the people I hung out with regularly. I don&#8217;t know that it&#8217;s accurate, but my impression was always that Willie Morris seemed to think of himself as much more important and influential, or maybe just relevant, than he and it actually were, at least to most people I&#8217;d have hung out with. I don&#8217;t even mean that disparagingly; it&#8217;s just that <em>Harpers</em> rarely even crossed my mind and I couldn&#8217;t imagine that there were actually people who spent much time thinking about its place in the literary firmament.</p>
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<p>I had lunch with Hamill today after we toured the poets and painters show at the Tibor de Nagy. The curator came out and introduced himself and gave us each a hardbound catalogue ($40) when we left. I was mainly trying to get some stuff for the profile for the Boxing Writers Dinner program but as usual Pete had all kinds of mots to offer. Not sure you can use this in your Cannon project but Pete recalled that Cannon said of James Baldwin&#8217;s status as a double-minority something along the lines of &#8220;the poor guy wants to ride in the front of the bus&#8211;and do it wearing a dress!&#8221;</p>
<p>And some great Mailer stories: Apparently Mailer and Bruce Jay Friedman came to blows at a party in Brooklyn that wound up on the sidewalk below, and Friedman kicked the shit out of Norman by the time their friends moved in to stop it. Friedman, who apparently didn&#8217;t want to be responsible for diminishing the future of American letters: &#8220;I was doing everything I could to keep from hitting him in the head!&#8221;</p>
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<p>Pete also remembered covering the Democratic convention in ‘64 when his wife went into labor. Pete didn&#8217;t have a car and didn&#8217;t even drive then, but Mailer drove him from Atlantic City to St. Vincent’s for the birth of his first daughter. &#8220;People remember all the crazy shit Mailer did but rarely mention kindnesses like that.&#8221; When Norman was drinking said Pete you always knew that danger was right around the corner when he started talking in a faux Texas accent.</p>
<p>He also told me about this building Mailer purchased in upper Manhattan, maybe Inwood or someplace, as both an abode and as an investment. Over the years every time he&#8217;d get divorced he&#8217;d have to sell off two floors of the building, one to pay the divorce lawyer and another to pay the ex. Eventually he owned only the top floor. The one he lived in.</p>
<p>Never knew Talese back then. At Super Bowl VII I was in LA for the Phoenix and since we were really pinching pennies I was staying with Bill and Susan Cardoso in Hollywood, I think it was. Hunter Thompson was there and had a room at the press hotel but also spent a lot of time out at the house. Apparently a few months earlier Talese had been out there doing his initial research for what eventually must have become <em>Thy Neighbor&#8217;s Wife</em> and each evening would come back to Cardoso&#8217;s with a detailed report of how many blowjobs he&#8217;d gotten that day in the name of research.</p>
<p><strong>BB: My old man was a big drinker but not much of a village guy. He knew Elaine Kaufman when she managed a place in the village and then was a regular during her early years on the Upper East Side. But then he got a job at ABC and mostly drank at Herb Evans until The Ginger Man became his favorite spot. Did you ever go uptown?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I didn&#8217;t spend much time in Elaine&#8217;s and when I went there it was usually with Pete. I remember going over there after a day game at Yankee Stadium in late ‘79, with this ravishing young thing I&#8217;d imported from Newport, Pete (who was driving, the first time I&#8217;d ever known him to do that) and Jose Torres and his son. They ushered us straight to a table adjacent to Woody Allen&#8217;s. Pete has a great story about the decline of Elaine&#8217;s, which he traces to this crash diet and sentence to a fat farm Elaine undertook sometime in the early &#8217;80s. Up until then she&#8217;d personally tasted everything the place served, but her diet guru forbade that, so when the chefs started cutting corners and getting sloppy there was nobody to notice, and eventually the food got so bad people stopped going there, or at least stopped eating there, altogether. Elaine eventually started tasting (and got fat) again but it never fully recovered.</p>
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<p>I never hung out a lot at the O&#8217;Neal/O&#8217;Connor bars in NY, but there was one Super Bowl out in LA—maybe the Redskins-Dolphins game—where the Ginger Man in Beverly Hills was sportswriter central, and we were all in there pretty much every night. I&#8217;d run into people from Boston and New York I hadn&#8217;t seen in ages who were now fully realized Californians. I was in O&#8217;Neal&#8217;s at Lincoln Center quite a few times in its last couple of years. Including with most of the other speakers (e.g. Quincy Troupe, Ben Stiller, and Jo Loesser) after Budd Schulberg&#8217;s Memorial service, and after a South Pacific performance just a few nights before it closed for good.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Was Frederick Exley a regular at the Head?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> The thing about Exley was that the guy I knew and drank with in bars, chiefly the Lion’s Head, was almost irreconcilable with the guy who could write something as touching as A Fan&#8217;s Notes. I&#8217;d come back to New York and Fred had taken up residence at the Head in my absence; I believe David Markson was the original conduit but especially Flaherty and Jeanine were talking him up big time. I&#8217;d drunk with him for probably several weeks before I finally got around to reading the book. I was knocked out, not just by how good it was but was stunned to realize that Fred could have written it.</p>
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<p>You also ought to try to chase down &#8220;The Last Great Saloon,&#8221; a piece Fred wrote for <em>GQ</em> about the Lion’s Head in December of either ’91 or ’92.</p>
<p><strong>BB: That was a good one, but how much of it was true?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Fred&#8217;s description of me with great danes and bullwhips was a product of his imagination and had nothing to do with my book, Only Skin Deep. Fred was a terrific novelist but had his shortcomings as a reporter. I&#8217;m surprised that GQ didn&#8217;t have a fact-checker, or at least run some of that stuff by me.</p>
<p><strong>BB: I also read Joe Flaherty’s piece on you for the Village Voice around the time you ran for sheriff. Did you really take your glass eye out and leave it people’s drinks?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> In my younger days I did get some mileage out of that. I did some pretty outrageous stuff, but obviously Joe embellished somewhat—though not as much as Fred, who created tales out of whole cloth.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Did you really call Mayor Lindsay a tight-assed WASP and bless his forehead with ashes from an ashtray?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Evidently.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Do you think the tendency is to print the legend instead of the truth?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Partly, but that would be speculation. There was a lot of that around the Lion’s Head in the late ‘60s, Fred and David Markson and others, and I&#8217;d include myself in that category, who did a lot more sitting around the bar talking about writing than actual writing (this would be the ‘69 and ‘70 interludes when I was in New York after Iowa and then in early ‘70 before I went back to Lawrence).</p>
<p><strong>BB: Why did you leave New York?</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> Combination of a lot of things. My marriage had ended, and while it was a pretty eventful and enjoyable summer, I could sense that things were winding down for me in NYC and that nothing really promising loomed on the horizon. Paul Blackburn, from whom I’d sublet the apartment on East 7th St., was returning from his Guggenheim in September, and I’d have had to find new digs anyway. Ted Berrigan, one of my friends in New York, was headed out to Iowa to teach, as was Anselm Hollo, who had come over from England and hung out with me for a time that summer, was too. After a decidedly undistinguished academic career Iowa seemed to offer a fast track to Master’s Degree, no heavy lifting, so I decided to make a clean break. Got a driveway car, a new VW an army officer returning from Germany had shipped over (big savings on duty); I was supposed pick it up in Brooklyn and take it to him in Omaha. Loaded all my stuff into a U-Haul trailer with a hitch, put the dog (and a cat, a last-minute acquisition from McSorleys, where they said they were going to drown it if nobody had taken it by last call), and lit out for Iowa City. Dropped my stuff there and then proceeded to Nebraska to face the music – the weight of the trailer hitch had ripped open a pretty conspicuous gash in the rear bumper, which the Captain didn’t much appreciate at all, but there wasn’t a lot he could do about it.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Did you have any concrete notion that you wanted to be a writer yet?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I was scuffling to sell some freelance work, most notably my DB, Only Skin Deep, which was one of the first Girodias bought when he fled Paris and set up here. Even though I was short a bachelor&#8217;s degree they got me conditionally accepted and even the promise of funding at the Workshop, where I was one of the few actually doing both fiction and poetry. Most people had to pick one or the other. I shared a house with Hollo, and Berrigan taught my poetry section. Bob Bolles was my fiction teacher, and I think he was almost intimidated by some of the talent in that room – not just me but Tom McHale and Asa Baber and Eddie Gubar. Robert Coover was my thesis adviser, but we didn’t really see eye to eye so I didn&#8217;t consult him a lot. I always knew I would earn my living writing something. And while I&#8217;d written sports for newspapers before I wrote anything else, the idea that I&#8217;d do it for 35 years had yet to occur to me then.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: You then had a memorable summer running for sheriff in Lawrence, Kansas. What inspired that?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> The original plan was that it would provide a format for guerrilla-type street theatre that would last through the summer (my platform included subsidies for marijuana farmers etc.). Although Hunter Thompson ran for sheriff in Aspen and Stew Albert in Oakland, none of us had discussed it with the others beforehand and none knew the others were even going to run, although I did later visit Hunter for a ‘summit’ conference in Aspen after I’d won the primary. The only ones I discussed the sheriff campaign with before returning to Lawrence from New York in the spring of 1970 were Ed Sanders and Jerry Rubin, both of whom encouraged it.</p>
<p>In Lawrence I had announced I was running under the Youth International Party banner, so it didn’t make a lot of waves. The incumbent Republican sheriff, who had arrested me at an antiwar demonstration in 1965, routinely ran unopposed. I waited until 30 minutes before the filing deadline and then walked into the courthouse, paid a $100 filing fee to run as a Democrat. I knew if I gave them an hour they’d have found somebody to run against me. I was consequently unopposed on the primary ballot and won the Democratic nomination, much to the chagrin of the Democratic Party. At a rally at the state house a few days before the election I wound up in conversation with the governor and someone took a picture of us together. This was after the state party leadership had publicly denounced me. We printed the picture up in hundreds of flyers with the headline “Vote Democratic on Nov. (whatever the date was) Docking for Governor/Kimball for Sheriff.”</p>
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<p>In practice things got quite ugly that summer – cops killed two kids, one black and one white, and it turned into open warfare for a while. Because of my visibility I became the go-to guy as a spokesman, and got blamed for everything that happed, much of which I knew nothing about and still don’t. There are some more detailed accounts, as in Rusty Mulholland’s book, available, including online. <em>The Lawrence Journal World</em> and <em>University Daily Kansan</em> both ran lengthy recaps of the summer of ’70 last year, the 40th anniversary.</p>
<p><strong>BB: How did you parents handle the news of your numerous arrests?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> My mother still dislikes any mention the arrests; I don&#8217;t think she likes having to explain that to her redneck friends. Last time it came up I seem to recall her going into complete denial about it, in fact. The one in Lawrence in ‘65 she actually came from Colorado and was involved in the negotiation with my lawyer. The judge had originally sentenced me to six months, I guess to teach me a lesson, and let me sweat it out for a couple of days before he paroled me in my father&#8217;s custody. (He was a reserve JAG colonel himself and knew my old man.) That&#8217;s how I wound up spending that winter in Colorado Springs. Ran the ski lift at the Broadmoor until the snow melted and then worked in the hotel PR department for a month or two before my tolerance (and theirs) became exhausted. Finally bolted under the cover of darkness one night in a ‘54 Ford I&#8217;d bought from Peggy Fleming&#8217;s father, drove to Lawrence and then New York.</p>
<p>Anyway, the point being that because that was the only one she was personally involved in, my mother has over the years persuaded herself that it must have been the only arrest. There were actually a few others, including one in Wichita in 1970 that was on the front page of the paper, since the asshole who personally arrested me, Vern Miller, was the Sedgwick County sheriff who was running for Attorney General the same year I ran for sheriff in Douglas County. The headline in the Wichita paper the next morning read &#8220;George Kimball Arrested,&#8221; over a picture of me being led away in cuffs. I&#8217;d been speaking at a rally protesting the presence of Spiro Agnew, who&#8217;d flown in to stump for the incumbent attorney general, Kent Frizell, who was running for governor in another tight race. (He lost.) When Miller busted me, I just shook my head and told him, quietly, &#8220;Vern, you&#8217;re going to start a riot here,&#8221; and he did. I sat there in jail that night thinking to myself, &#8220;You stupid bastard. You just got that motherfucker elected,&#8221; which turned out to be the case.</p>
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<p>Besides personally leading several drug raids in Lawrence, one of Vern&#8217;s first acts in office was to board an Amtrak train traveling through Kansas with an armed posse and take the bartender in the bar car into custody for serving liquor by the drink inside the borders of Kansas. (It was still illegal at the time for bars to serve anything but 3.2 beer.) He then wanted to put undercover agents on planes and bust the stewardess’ for serving drinks in Kansas airspace, but wiser heads prevailed. A few years later I met a guy in Boston – he phoned me up and arranged a meeting – who, actually – no shit – wrote an opera about all of this. Vern and I were the leads. I don’t think it ever got performed.</p>
<p><strong>BB: That’s hilarious. Wasn’t there a confrontation with a cop in there? Didn’t you throw a punch at an officer?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> The ‘65 arrest was for carrying a &#8220;Fuck the Draft&#8221; sign at an antiwar rally in Lawrence. I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d describe it as a punch; I swung but it was more of a forearm shiver. He&#8217;d thrown me up against a car while the woman he claimed wasn&#8217;t in need of medical attention was collapsing to the sidewalk behind him. I was charged with assaulting an officer, but when it came to trial not even the cop&#8217;s own partner would testify for him so it got tossed. I don&#8217;t know when or if they expunge those things; there might be a record of it but I wouldn&#8217;t want to go nosing around since I think there might still be a hot possession of marijuana charge floating around down there, though for instance when I&#8217;ve gotten stopped on a couple of motor violations nothing popped up when they phoned me in.</p>
<p>(The most recent of those I was driving around the block at about 15 mph during street cleaning, and got stopped for no seat belt. I thought it was really chickenshit, but then I realized the real reason for it. It was during the ‘04 playoffs, and I had a Massachusetts car with Herald on the license plate.)</p>
<p><strong>BB: When Miller arrested you, you told him that he was going to incite a riot when he arrested you. What kind of riot was there, if any?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I&#8217;ve been in better riots, but considering there was no trouble until he arrested me, any riot there was plainly his doing. I was only in the Wichita jail overnight. By early light I&#8217;d been bailed out and was on my way back to Lawrence.</p>
<p><strong>BB: How long was it before the election?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I think it was November. It was just before the election, anyway.</p>
<p><strong>BB: When did you leave Kansas?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> We left within a matter of days, not in response to Vern&#8217;s threats, but because I&#8217;d promised my wife we were going to move back East and that I&#8217;d start writing and earning a living. It had been a fun six months or so but we were awfully poor. The grand I got from Scanlan&#8217;s monthly was the only real money I&#8217;d earned, and the only thing I&#8217;d written. If I stayed in Kansas the only way to earn a decent living would have been on some level of the dope harvest, and I was way too paranoid to make a good criminal.</p>
<p><strong>BB: When you too off, did you think &#8220;Well, that was fun?&#8221; Now, time to get serious and make some money?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Yes and no. I didn&#8217;t want to trivialize the experience by looking like I was cashing in on it right away, so I pretty consistently resisted entreaties to write a book about the campaign. Ed Sanders, for one, really pushed me to do that. I did write the piece for the Realist (mainly because I needed the dough, $300 I think). Paul had asked me, Hunter, and Stew Albert to do separate pieces. Stew and I did ours and Hunter never did, so he finally just ran ours.</p>
<p><strong>BB: So it wasn&#8217;t just theater?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I wouldn&#8217;t say that. I didn&#8217;t want the guys who had gotten killed, and the people who had worked on the campaign, to suddenly look like they&#8217;d been bit players in a scheme to get me a book contract.1970 was in that respect the tail end of the 60s. What was mine was yours and what was yours was mine, that sort of stuff. We didn&#8217;t stay very much out at the A-Frame (for one thing it would have been dangerous; somebody would have had to stay up as an armed guard against a redneck attack). From Sept onward we shared a house with another couple in Lawrence. She was a grad student, he a dope dealer, and since nobody had any discernible income they (and I think maybe we, eventually) discovered they were eligible for food stamps.</p>
<p>I also had sort of an arrangement at the Gaslight Tavern. If I was around and it got busy (which it did at lunchtime almost any day during the week) I&#8217;d jump behind the bar and tend bar while he cooked and the other bartender worked the tables. He might or might not throw me a few bucks but in any case I didn&#8217;t have to pay for food, and rarely even for beer, there. It worked pretty well, since he didn&#8217;t have to bring in somebody to work a whole shift, which I had no interest in doing anyway. I&#8217;d worked at the bookstore next door several years earlier and knew these guys pretty well. Also next door was a barber shop. Obviously they didn&#8217;t cut any hippies&#8217; hair, but I used to go in and shoot the shit with the barbers, talk baseball and football, so they knew I was OK.</p>
<p><strong>BB: How did your father handle all of this?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Like my mother, he had firsthand knowledge only of the Lawrence one, though he had clearance and could have viewed my file. Army intelligence also had one on me. I don&#8217;t recall ever asked me about the other arrests, though we weren&#8217;t talking a lot in those days. Like my mother he was sort of delusional about a lot of this stuff. When my brother Tim returned from Vietnam, got involved with Veterans against the War and participating in protests, for instance, he convinced himself and told people that he must have been doing it as a plant by Army intelligence, which was of course absurd.</p>
<p>By the way, he&#8217;d never in a million years have publicly agreed with me about the war, but his enthusiasm for it dampened considerably the second time he was over there, this time as Military Attaché at the embassy in Laos (read: spy.) My uncle Bill, my father&#8217;s older brother, thinks he must have witnessed, or had to participate in, some stuff he found so morally abhorrent over there that he began to question in his own mind whether it had all been worth it. He&#8217;d never have criticized the U.S., even after he retired, but he plainly no longer wanted to talk about it.</p>
<p><strong>BB: So after all of this craziness in Kansas, how did you wind up in the Boston at the Boston Phoenix?</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> I’d lived in and gone to school in Boston earlier; my grandparents lived there. Harper Barnes, who went to KU, was editor of the <em>Phoenix</em>; I’d also planned several freelance gigs but once I started at the <em>Phoenix</em> that sort of pushed everything else out of the way as the role grew. Depends on which sport you mean. The Celtics were still rebuilding but extremely accommodating. The Patriots weren’t at first but eventually came around. The Red Sox constantly battled me over access and credentials. Their PR guy, Bill Crowley, was an asshole. Covered lots of things besides sports in those days, especially politics and music.</p>
<p><strong>BB: How Mike Lupica did come to the <em>Phoenix</em>?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Lupica I’d met through Bob Ryan in 1971, I believe, when he was still at BC. I hired him to do some freelance pieces for a special section we did in ‘72 and they were so good I wound up talking the publisher into hiring him to constitute a full-time sports staff. Then not long after he graduated I think it was the <em>Post</em> hired him. What I didn’t realize was that it was some kind of probationary deal. A couple of months after he went to New York I got a call from somebody in personnel at the Post saying they were considering hiring him full time and asking my opinion, and I said “You mean I can have him back?” She laughed and said that sounded like an endorsement to her.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: What about Charlie Pierce?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I met Charlie out in Worcester. I was working on some story and somebody suggested I look him up; he was writing for <em>Worcester magazine</em>, I think. I was the one who introduced him to Bob Sales, who was then the editor of the <em>Phoenix</em>, and Bob hired him, though not to do sports since Michael Gee was already working as my backup, sort of in Lupica’s place. Then I left for the Herald in early 1980, and Charlie did some sports after that. Bob was by then at the <em>Herald</em>, first as managing editor and later as sports editor. He and Don Forst hired me initially, over the objections of the sports editor, who shortly quit. A few years later when he was sports editor Bob hired both Michael and Charlie at the<em> Herald</em>.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: What was it like moving from a weekly like the <em>Phoenix</em> to a daily tabloid like the <em>Herald</em>? I assume part of the reason was financial. Did you enjoy the move? What new challenges did it present? Did you write anything but sports at the <em>Herald</em>?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> It was only financial in that I took a while negotiating the terms because I didn’t want to sell myself cheap, but mainly it had come time to move on. I’d actually left the <em>Phoenix</em> in November of ‘79, the week Kennedy announced his candidacy, and spent several months freelancing and working with the campaign. I did a few pieces for the <em>Herald</em> in that time, but didn’t actually sign a contract until February.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: Were you ever frustrated as a columnist for the <em>Herald</em>? In that you weren&#8217;t their number-one columnist?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> For about eight years I was the number-one columnist. Once Charlie Pierce arrived he started getting some of the better assignments but I was still the guy who’d go to Super Bowls, playoffs, world series, etc., so that wasn&#8217;t frustrating. Even after guys like Callahan and Buckley arrived and pretty much knocked me off most baseball coverage I probably could have lived with it, but for the last ten years after Bob Sales was let go the new sports editor wanted to assign all columns – you had no leeway in choosing what to write about, and in some cases he wanted to dictate point of view even. It got pretty tiresome and frustrating. I had also gotten old enough that since the Post in ‘92 there weren&#8217;t any job offers coming in, so I was kind of trapped there. If someone had come along with a buyout offer remotely as good as what I got in ‘05 I&#8217;d have jumped at it, but with a wife and two kids in school I wasn&#8217;t in a position to make a move.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: Did you have a good relationship with your editor Bob Sales when you were at the <em>Herald</em>?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Yes. Like most any writer-editor relationship that lasts nearly 20 years we had our moments of strain, but I enjoyed working with him more than any other sports editor there &#8212; particularly his successor.</p>
<p><strong>BB: How long did you work for him at the <em>Herald</em>?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Twice at the <em>Herald</em>. He was the managing editor when I got there in ‘80, then in early ‘82 I think left right after Murdoch takeover. Then came back as sports editor from ‘86-‘95 or so. He and Forst hired me initially.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: I just watched a screener copy of a new HBO doc on Borg-McEnroe. They show footage of Charlie Steiner getting into a fight with a Brit in the press room at the &#8217;81 Wimbledon and who should I see in the background?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Yeah, that footage is everywhere &#8212; also on a video Not Great Moments in sports. I was the peacemaker. I might have been the only one in the room who knew both guys and figured if I didn&#8217;t break them up nobody would, even though neither one wanted to fight very badly. After the third Leonard Duran fight Charlie sat down with me and Stephen Stills at the Mirage and we got to talking about it and Stills was cracking up. I said if you ever want to feel ridiculous try standing in the middle of the Wimbledon press room pleading &#8220;Stop it, Nigel!&#8221; I believe I kept them apart without ever putting my briefcase down.</p>
<p><strong>BB: I talked to Bill Lee. Said you&#8217;d be proud of him, he&#8217;s finally become a logger. Said he&#8217;s wanted to be one his whole life. That, and a wino. Do you still keep in touch with him?</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> Last time I saw Bill was in Burlington more than a year ago. My daughter was meeting me there and we were driving up to Montreal for a fight, and Bill drove over and met us at my friends&#8217; house. I&#8217;d taken a spill on the train to Newark Airport and broke a couple of ribs, it turned out. He had a deal with the owners at Jay Peak (where Darcy and Sam teach in he ski school) to make bats out of all the hickory they were clearing in their new expansion. He&#8217;d just started, and gave me one of the earlier prototypes, basically a mistake. They&#8217;d milled it to the precise dimensions of another bat he was using, and hickory being much denser, it was so heavy King Kong would have had trouble getting around on a fastball with it. We took it up to Montreal, but of course I can&#8217;t get on a plane with a bat, so Darcy kept it in the car. Later in the summer Teddy went up and spent a week doing trail work for them, and Darcy gave him the Spaceman bat to bring back. He stopped in Boston to see some of his friends, got stoned and fell asleep under a tree in the Boston Common, and walked off and left it. He went back half an hour later but of course by then it was gone.</p>
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<p><strong>BB: I was listening to &#8220;Boom Boom Mancini&#8221; by Warren Zevon. You must have run into him during the course of your travels, right?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> During the ‘70s Bill Lee, Dennis Eckersley, and I along with our wives went to see him at the Berklee Performance Center, and Zevon later wrote his song about Bill. I didn&#8217;t know him well, though obviously Carl Hiassen did. When we had to clear the permissions for <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Still-Remains-George-Kimball/dp/0979994756" target="_blank">&#8220;The Fighter Still Remains&#8221;</a> I wound up corresponding with his widow, Crystal (who lived in Vermont but since moved to Western Mass) and his kids and son (who lives in LA). I also have “Werewolves of London” as a ringtone on my phone but can&#8217;t remember for who now.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Did you ever miss New York at all in those <em>Herald</em> years?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> A bit, but I traveled there a lot on assignments. In ‘92 I came down and worked for the <em>Post</em> for six months, right after Murdoch bought it for the second time, on kind of a lend-lease basis. They wanted me to stay and I would have but for a couple of things. One is that my family was very much against it, the other was that the labor strife was looming, and the editor, Ken Chandler, who was a friend, warned me that if I took the deal they were offering I&#8217;d be obligated to cross a picket line. That was a pretty good deal while it lasted. They put me up in hotels, the <em>Herald</em> paid my salary and the <em>Post</em> my expenses, and at the first of every month they handed me a fist full of round-trip shuttle tickets I could use to fly to and from Boston at my discretion, so I could arrange my schedule to be in New York for, say, five days, and then in Boston for five.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Who are some of your favorite athletes that you covered?</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> There were lots of them: Bill Lee, Jim Willoughby, and Dennis Eckersley remain friends. Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, and of course Ali was a joy to cover. Dave Cowens and Kevin McHale were lots of fun to cover, as were guys in the earlier era of the Celtics – John Havlicek, Don Nelson, Don Chaney, and Jo Jo White, whom I had known at KU. I’ve also stayed close to some KU guys. Bud Stallworth I knew (and occasionally played pickup games with) when he was a freshman at KU, and then often got together with him when he was through town in his NBA days. I still see him pretty often and will in Lawrence this week. He and I went to the KU-Va Tech Orange Bowl together a few years ago, and then to the Final Four in San Antonio that April, as did Al Lopes, who was the “other” guard with Jo Jo at KU. Jo Jo got drafted by the Celtics and Al by Uncle Sam. After Vietnam Al went back to law school on the GI Bill and now practices in Lawrence.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Do you ever feel that you didn&#8217;t write as much in early years because you were drinking and getting loaded?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> I don&#8217;t think the drinking and drugging slowed me down when it came to writing. In some cases it probably made the writing better, though I practically never drank till I was done writing and really didn&#8217;t do much drugs beyond getting a bit of an edge. But both before and after I was drinking, writing a daily column was extremely taxing mentally, in addition to having to travel to and from events, even home games. It took so much out of me that I&#8217;d never have been able to summon the discipline or the energy to write books while I was still doing that. For most of that time I was also playing a lot of golf, which was much more relaxing and didn&#8217;t tax you in the same way work did.</p>
<p><strong>BB: When did you quit drinking?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> November 1991. As Malachy McCourt likes to say, I’d had enough.</p>
<p><strong>BB: You have such a wide variety of friends and your life seems to be connected by those friendships. For writing, which is such a solitary profession, you seem to have a real need for human relationships.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>GK:</strong> It’s a real cross-section of people, and it’s kind of fun getting people from those various worlds together who otherwise might never meet. But if there’s anything unique about it, it’s that there’s almost as wide a variation in age as well: Arlen Snyder is 78, and Tom Paxton is over 70 now. Niall Toibin, an actor friend in Dublin, is in his 80s. Some of my New York friends, mostly Lions Head survivors, go back more than 40 years. Pete Hamill and I don’t see each other that often – it probably averages out to once a week – but we email or talk on the phone several times a week. There are guys in Kansas like Jim McCrary I’ve known even longer, and I’ve got younger friends, too – Benn Schulberg and I go to and watch a lot of fights and ball games together; he’s barely into his 30s but then when his father and I used to do the same things, Budd was in his 90s. Lou DiBella is 50 now, but that’s a lot younger than I am, and Anne Tangeman is 45. Mark Horgan, who went out to Kansas with me last week, is only 29, and my godson Kidd Dorn is in his 30s. I’m talking here about people you might walk into my home and see hanging out. Rosalie Sorrels (who introduced me and Marge and is now 78 herself) said when people used to ask her mother why she didn’t hang out with people her own age, she’d reply “People my own age are dead.” I find that’s increasingly true, too. In the last couple of years a bunch of people from the Lions Head started dying in profusion (Jose Torres, Frank McCourt, David Markson, Paul Schiffman).</p>
<p><strong>BB: Were you disappointed or angry when you heard that Hunter S. Thompson had killed himself?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Both, but if I had to choose one I&#8217;d say angry.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Did you feel freed up to write more once you retired from the <em>Herald</em>? I read in an interview that you said you feel guilty when you don&#8217;t write.</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Yes, I obviously had much more time to write. I was already working on Eamonn Coghlan&#8217;s book pretty much at time of retirement, and while that experience ended somewhat unhappily I think the discipline and work habits helped in all the other projects. Even though I was writing once a week for the I<em>rish Times</em> and covering things for websites I had a solid block of several hours I&#8217;d devote to those each day, and yes, it got so I felt guilty if I didn&#8217;t write.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Even though it is difficult now, does writing give you a sense of purpose and identity?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Writers write, although what I find myself doing these days is almost more secretarial work – doing all these interviews, arranging book tour stuff on the limited energy I have doesn’t leave me a lot of time for actual writing. I know I’m not going to have time to write another book (though there will be at least one more new cover, the reissue of <em>Only Skin Deep</em>), but I’m hoping to cover a few more fights, and I’d like to get this play (<em>Bloodsong</em>) finished even though there’s not a chance I’d live long enough to ever see it produced.</p>
<p><strong>BB: Do you have any sense of how you’d like to be remembered?</strong></p>
<p><strong>GK:</strong> Why do you think there have been half a dozen books in the past four years?</p>
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		<title>Fighting and Drinking with the Rats at Yankee Stadium</title>
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<p>Here&#8217;s something to keep you warm on a cold winter day, the late George Kimball&#8217;s essay from <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Lasting-Yankee-Stadium-Memories-Unforgettable/dp/1602399794" target="_blank">our book &#8220;Lasting Yankee Stadium Memories.&#8221;</a> It&#8217;s all about the old ballpark, Billy Martin, finks and phonies, brawling, and, of course, drinking with Bill Lee.</p>
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<p><strong>By George Kimball</strong></p>
<p>There are things you learned about the old Yankee Stadium once it became your place of work that never would have occurred to you as a kid going to watch a game there. Making your way from the visiting- to the home-team dugout, or to the pressroom where they fed us and the adjacent quarters where we wrote our stories after games, involved negotiating an elaborate system of labyrinthine tunnels that could have been a large-scale Skinner box. A dim-witted scribe could spend hours trying to find his way around down there, but once he did figure it out, he’d be rewarded with supper, or maybe a beer after the game.</p>
<p>And since we only made two or three trips a year to New York, we were always making wrong turns, ones that inevitably brought us face-to-face with one of New York’s finest on a security detail. Some of the cops had been drawing this plum assignment for years. Others, newer to the job, couldn’t tell you how to get from A to B any better than another sportswriter could. They should have handed out road maps with the press credentials.</p>
<p>But the overriding memory of all those hours spent wandering around beneath the House That Ruth Built remains the smell. If you grew up in suburbia, it wouldn’t have meant much to you at all, but if you’d spent much time in a big-city tenement or in the stockroom of a grocery store or ever wandered beneath street level in a restaurant that abuts a subway line, the permeating odor of Decon, the rat poison, would have been familiar.</p>
<p>My friend, John Schulian, must have recognized that smell too, because at some point in the late 1970s, he came up with a description of Billy Martin so apt that it should have been chiseled on Billy’s gravestone: <em>A rat studying to be a mouse</em>.</p>
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<p>The funny part of it was that, while Martin had carefully cultivated an image of a guy ready to fight at the drop of a hat, he wasn’t actually very good at it. If you look at the fights he won, they were usually against marshmallow salesmen or mental cripples (Jimmy Piersall was just months away from the loony bin when Martin beat him up under the stands at Fenway in 1952) or a guy who was even drunker than he was (Dave Boswell at the Lindell AC in 1969). Sometimes he’d gain the advantage with a well-timed sucker punch, and sometimes he’d just think he had the advantage, as was the case in St. Louis in 1953, when he picked a fight with a short guy wearing glasses. (The guy, Clint “Scrap-Iron” Courtney, turned out to run against stereotype.)</p>
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<p>If you watched him carefully over the years, he was careful to pick his spots. When Martin went at it with somebody bigger or tougher than he was, it was usually in a setting where he knew it would get broken up right away. In fair fights—and there weren’t many of them—he almost always got his ass kicked. (See: Martin vs. Ed Whitson at the Cross Keys Inn, Baltimore, 1985.)</p>
<p>I’d been at Yankee Stadium the night Thad Tillotson bounced a pitch off Joe Foy’s helmet in 1967. “Watch this,” I told my then-wife when Tillotson came to bat a couple of innings later. Sure enough, Jim Lonborg drilled him in the back, both benches emptied, and when they finally pulled them apart, there were Joe Pepitone and Rico Petrocelli rolling around in the dirt.</p>
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<p>I was also at Fenway Park the day in 1973 when Stick Michael missed a bunt on a suicide squeeze. With Thurman Munson barreling in from third toward Carlton Fisk, whom he didn’t like much anyway, the result was somewhat predictable. Both benches emptied after the collision, and even as they dragged Munson away, Fisk and Michael were going at it. Boston lefty Bill “Spaceman” Lee said the whole thing looked like a bunch of hookers swinging their purses at each other. Everyone save Thurman Munson thought that was pretty funny.</p>
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<p>So, by the time Billy Martin came back to manage his old team, Red Sox–Yankee rhubarbs were nothing new. Their history long predated the return of Number One. I’d seen them start for good reasons and for bad reasons, and sometimes they’d started just because they were Yankees and Red Sox. So, when another one broke out on May 20, 1976, I wasn’t surprised. You could see this one coming a mile down the road. It was like watching a fight develop in slow motion.</p>
<p>Lee had a 1–0 lead with two out in the bottom of the sixth. Lou Piniella, at second, represented the tying run; Graig Nettles was on first. With the count 2–1 on Otto Velez, Spaceman threw a sinker on the outside of the plate, and Velez stroked it into the opposite field. It was hit so hard that when Dwight Evans grabbed it on one hop, it briefly crossed my mind that he might even have a play on Nettles at second. That’s when I looked down and saw Piniella rounding third, and he didn’t seem to be slowing down.</p>
<p>Evans may have had the best arm in the American League back then, and not even a good base runner would have challenged him in this situation, but Piniella was, at this point, committed and kept on coming. Evans threw in one fluid motion, a strike to the plate, and had him by at least ten feet. If it had somehow been a closer play, maybe what happened next wouldn’t have happened at all, but now it was inevitable. Out by a mile, Piniella’s only chance was to run right over Fisk, barreling into him so hard that he might dislodge the ball. Fisk, aware of this, was determined to make the experience painful enough that Lou would think twice before he ever tried it again.</p>
<p>As tags go, it was pretty aggressive. Fisk may even have tried to tag him in the nuts—and with his fist, not his glove, holding the ball. Naturally, Lou came up swinging, and in what seemed barely an instant, there were fifty or sixty guys in uniform going at it in the middle of the infield. Or that’s the way it seemed. Actually, some of them took a bit longer getting there than others. Traditional baseball protocol in these situations calls for the occupants of both bullpens, even the ones intent on serving as peacemakers, to make a mad dash all the way to the infield, where they are to then grab one of their opposite numbers and wrestle for a while until the smoke clears.</p>
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<p>Logic would suggest that it would be a lot simpler to just pair off out in the bullpen, particularly since, in its new configuration, Yankee Stadium’s bullpens shared a common gate. So, when the fight started, everybody from both bullpens jumped up simultaneously to race in to where the action was. Tom House, then a Boston reliever, told me that when he got to the gate, Catfish Hunter was gallantly holding it open for him.</p>
<p>“See ya in there, kid,” said Catfish as House trotted past.</p>
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<p>Fisk and Piniella were rolling around on the ground following the collision when Lee, who’d been backing up the plate on the play, spotted Velez trying to be third man in.</p>
<p>The first guy to hit Lee was actually Mickey Rivers, who must have been taking boxing lessons from Billy Martin. Mick was running up and down behind the scrum, looking like a guy playing Whack-A-Mole as he lashed out at the back of every Boston cap he could spot. (Somebody watching on television later told me that Ken Harrelson, in his blow-by-blow call on a Boston station, said “Rivers is just basically just running around sucker-punching everybody!”)</p>
<p>The next thing I saw was Nettles grabbing Spaceman from behind, seemingly lifting him over his head, and body-slamming him. I don’t know for a fact that he was trying to throw Lee on his left shoulder, but that’s how he landed. (Nettles claimed later that he was just trying to drag Lee off Velez, since Rivers’ punch hadn’t done the job.) Lee was 6-foot-3 and 210 pounds, almost the exact dimensions of Muhammad Ali, but truth be told, he couldn’t fight any better than Billy Martin could, even though he did have an impressive one-punch KO on his résumé.</p>
<p>That had occurred in a winter league game down in Mayaguez, Puerto Rico, several years earlier. When Eliseo Rodriguez charged the mound, Lee reflexively stuck his hand out in self-defense and, to his own surprise, knocked Rodriguez cold. Only when he read the next morning’s papers did he realize that he’d knocked out the island’s former Golden Gloves light-heavyweight champion.</p>
<p>The return bout took place in Caguas a week later. Rodriguez and two of his relatives were waiting when Spaceman got off the team bus. They beat him up and rammed his face into a light pole for good measure.</p>
<p>“I did get a nice new set of teeth out of the deal,” said Spaceman.</p>
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<p>With Lee now apparently out of commission, Fisk and Piniella separated and Rivers dragged away by several Yankees, things seemed to calm down in a hurry. That’s when Lee made the mistake of getting up.</p>
<p>In his college days at USC, Bill had played summer ball for the Alaska Goldpanners with Nettles’ brother. Until a few moments earlier, he had considered Graig a friend. Now, he was screaming incomprehensibly as he staggered toward the New York third baseman.</p>
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<p>“I think,” Lee said later, “it might have been the word ‘asshole’ that set him off.”</p>
<p>In Nettles’ defense, what he probably saw was just a crazy man charging at him. In any case, when Lee got close enough, Nettles cut loose with a right cross, and when Lee tried to block it with his left, he discovered that he couldn’t lift his arm above his waist. The punch caught Spaceman flush in the face and dropped him in his tracks.</p>
<p>A few months later, Ali and Ken Norton fought in almost exactly the same spot, and in fifteen rounds neither one of them landed a punch as hard as that one.</p>
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<p>Oddly, I don’t remember Billy Martin throwing a single punch in that brawl. Maybe he found Don Zimmer and the two of them sat it out.</p>
<p>Once order was restored, both Nettles and Lee were ejected. (Neither Fisk nor Piniella were.) In Lee’s case, it was somewhat moot. Before the Red Sox finished batting in the next inning, he was on his way to the hospital.</p>
<p>He would later describe the episode by saying “I was attacked by Billy Martin’s brown shirts.”</p>
<p>There was clearly no love lost between the dope-smoking Spaceman and the whiskey-swilling Fiery Genius. There were unconfirmed rumors, before and since, that Martin had personally placed a bounty on Lee, but there were enough Yankees players who intensely disliked Lee that they probably didn’t need any encouragement from Billy Martin.</p>
<p>Obviously, the fight hadn’t been started just to get at him, said Lee, “but once it did start, it sure seemed like there were a lot of guys in pinstripes trying to find me.”</p>
<p>It might be noted here that, going into that game, Lee ranked as the number three Yankee-killer of all time, with a lifetime percentage against the Bronx Bombers bettered only by those of Babe Ruth and Dickie Kerr. Ruth, of course, had stopped pitching even before Harry Frazee sold his contract to Colonel Ruppert, and Kerr, pointed out Lee, may have accomplished the greatest pitching feat of all time—winning two games in the 1919 World Series with five guys playing behind him who were trying to lose.</p>
<p>Bill Lee’s career didn’t end that night, but it’s fair to say he was never the same pitcher again. He had won seventeen games in each of the previous three years, but he never won as many in a season again. He had torn ligaments and a separated left shoulder, and nearly two months would go by before he pitched again. Between 1973 and 1975 Lee had thrown fifty-one complete games. In 1976 he would throw just one.</p>
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<p>Nobody knew this that night at that ballpark, of course. All we knew was that Lee had been taken away in an ambulance, but when the team bus pulled up in front of the New York Sheraton an hour and a half after the last out, there was Spaceman, waiting in the lobby.</p>
<p>Since I was then writing for a weekly and didn’t face a postgame deadline, Lee and I had earlier made plans to terrorize a saloon or two in Greenwich Village that night, and now, with his arm and a sling and sporting a black eye, he was determined to keep the appointment.</p>
<p>“Come on,” he said. “We’re still going to the Lion’s Head, aren’t we?”</p>
<p>Stan Williams, the Red Sox’s pitching coach, had other ideas. “Come on, big boy,” he said to Lee as he grabbed his good arm. “No curfew for you tonight.”</p>
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<p>So, with Stanley as our tour guide, we went bouncing on the Upper East Side. I vaguely remember visiting a gin mill with a hospital motif—the ER? the Recovery Room?—where the waitresses were all dressed like nurses, or dressed like nurses wearing white miniskirts, anyway.</p>
<p>Either the sight of a bona fide patient had scared all the nurses away or we’d moved on to another joint. Thirty-three years later, all I can swear to is that, a bit after 3 AM, we were the last three customers in the bar, and Lee had been chasing shots of VO with the Demerol they’d given him in the real hospital, or maybe it was the other way around, but anyway, just then the saloon door swings open and who comes walking in but—think about the odds of this for a moment—Lou Piniella, all by himself.</p>
<p>As soon as he saw us he was all over Lee like a long-lost brother: “Gee, Bill, I’m so sorry. If I’d ever known this was going to happen . . .” I think tears may even have welled up in his eyes. And, of course, he bought us all a drink, and then another one.</p>
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<p>The sun was coming up by the time we left, Sweet Lou in one direction, and Bill, Stan, and I back to the hotel. In the cab, I remarked to Lee that Piniella was a pretty nice guy after all, and that he had seemed properly contrite over the outcome of the affair he’d initiated at home plate that night.</p>
<p>“What else was he going to say?” Spaceman sighed wearily.</p>
<p>“There were three of us and one of him.”</p>
<p>Out on an early morning foraging run, a solitary rat darted across the sidewalk. We all saw him, but nobody said a word.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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<p>Over at Deadspin, <a href="http://deadspin.com/5863743/the-two+fisted-one+eyed-misadventures-of-sportswritings-last-badass" target="_blank">I profile the late George Kimball</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>George Kimball hung upside down some 70 feet in the cold Manhattan air, still in need of a cigarette. Well, the doctors had said smoking would kill him, hadn&#8217;t they? The previous autumn, they had found an inoperable cancerous tumor the size of a golf ball in his throat and given him six months to live. Five months had passed. He&#8217;d finished his latest round of chemotherapy, and now George, 62 years old and recently retired from the Boston Herald, was at the Manhattan Center Grand Ballroom in 2006, to cover a night of boxing for a website called The Sweet Science.</p>
<p>He&#8217;d never set foot in the place before. He didn&#8217;t even know what floor he was on when he went for a smoke between fights. There was a long line at the elevator so he went looking for a backstage exit and stepped out into the winter night, onto a tiny platform seven stories over the sidewalk. And then, as George would later tell the story, he plunged into darkness.</p>
<p>His leg caught between the fire ladder and the wall. He knew right away it was broken. He dangled from the fire escape like a bat—except bats can let go. He tried calling for help but his voice was too weak from the cancer treatments; he could barely whisper. Also, he wanted that fucking cigarette. A security guard, ducking out for his own smoke, found him, and it took another 20 minutes before the paramedics could get George on his feet. They wanted him to go to the hospital for X-rays but George talked them out of it. His wife was a doctor, he explained, and with all the chemo, he had more than enough painkillers at home.</p>
<p>He went back to his seat to watch the last two fights. Afterward, he hobbled to a drug store and bought a knee brace, an ice pack, a large quantity of bandages, and a lighter to replace the Zippo he lost in the fall. Two days later George would go to a hospital to set his broken leg. But that night, he went home. His wife Marge cleaned the scrapes on George&#8217;s arms, and he took a big hit of OxyContin. Then he filed his story on the fight.</p>
<p>* * *<br />
George was a large man with one good eye, a red beard, a gap between his two front teeth, and a huge gut. He was a literate, two-fisted drinker who never missed a deadline and never passed up an argument. One night, when he was 21 and partying in Beacon Hill, he was struck on the side of the face with a beer bottle. That&#8217;s how George got his glass eye.</p>
<p>It became his favorite prop. &#8220;You&#8217;d be amazed,&#8221; he said, &#8220;by how many people ask you to keep an eye on their drink.&#8221;</p>
<p>George began his career when Red Smith and Dick Young were the lords of the press box. On the night he fell out of the Manhattan sky, he had been a sports columnist for close to 40 years, &#8220;the last of his kind,&#8221; according to Michael Katz, the longtime boxing reporter for The New York Times. He drank one-eyed with Pete Hamill and Frank McCourt, smoked dope with Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin, and did with William Burroughs and Hunter S. Thompson whatever was in their heads to do at the time. George covered Wimbledon and the Masters, the World Series and the Super Bowl and more than 300 championship fights. He golfed with Michael Jordan and sat in a sauna with Joe DiMaggio. &#8220;He&#8217;d show up with Neil Young,&#8221; Katz said, &#8220;and get drugs from the Allman Brothers. Mention a name and he&#8217;d somehow know the person.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Check it out if you get a chance. I&#8217;m proud of the effort I put into this one.</p>
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		<title>From Ali to Xena: Postscript</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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<p><strong>By John Schulian</strong></p>
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<p>I look in the mirror and see the faces I have worn. I see the kid with a baseball cap snugged on his head, and the newspaper reporter who grew a beard to look older, and the TV writer who shaved his beard to look younger. The only face I don’t see – the only face I refuse to see – is the one on my driver’s license. I look like someone Winslow Homer might have painted. Though I insist it is nothing more than the product of a bad day at the DMV, I know I will see that face in the mirror, too. But not just yet. Not as long as writing can arm me with a crucifix to ward off the vampire that is old age.</p>
<p>I won’t be so bold as to say writing keeps me young. If it did, I wouldn’t curse technology or struggle to remember the names of new bands or look away in embarrassment when I’m caught staring at women one-third my age. But writing gives me purpose and fills my head with the notion that there are still things to be accomplished: essays and short stories, one novel completed, another taking shape in my imagination alongside a screenplay. Somewhere around here I’ve even got a verse and a chorus written for a country song. Maybe I’ll take my guitar down from the wall and finish it someday. It will be just three chords, but what was good enough for Hank Williams is good enough for me.</p>
<p>This is how I always imagined life on the other side of the rainbow. Writers don’t throw retirement parties. They write, and hope their words find their way before the public. Some will, some won’t. I understand the vagaries of the process. I just need to score often enough to let whoever is out there counting know that I’m still kicking. Otherwise, I might have to answer in the affirmative the next time someone asks if I’m retired. For the moment, however, I’m proud to say hell no.</p>
<p>I may have lost a step or two, but that’s far different than being ready for a sedate game of shuffleboard before I sit down to the early bird special. It’s those codgers I see at the doctor’s office who are retired. I’m just a lad of 66. When Red Smith was this age, he was reviving his career at the <em>New York Times</em> and five years away from winning a Pulitzer Prize. Red wanted to die at his typewriter, the way his hero Grantland Rice did, and damned if he didn’t come within three days of doing it.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t consider changing my position on retirement unless I knew I could go out with the high style that Sheik Caputo did at the railroad. The Sheik has been part of my life since I was 13, as a neighbor, a baseball coach, a proponent of pepperoni and cold beer, and, most of all, a cherished friend. He worked as a Union Pacific machinist for 30 years, crawling inside filthy steam engines and never making as much as two bucks an hour. The day he turned 60, he showed up at the Salt Lake City yards at 7 a.m., just like always, and the foreman said, “Hey, Caputo, you’re eligible to retire.”</p>
<p>“Right now?”</p>
<p>“Yeah, if you want to.”</p>
<p>“Goodbye,” Sheik Caputo said, and headed for the golf course.</p>
<p>But there is only one Sheik, and he is 96 and still getting mileage out of that story. I’m happy just to pass it along, which probably underscores the difference between the way he and I look at retirement. He was ready for it, maybe beyond ready, because he had a job he hated. I, on the other hand, am one of the lucky ones. I love my life as a writer, so why would I want to put it behind me? Writing is the one thing I could do with any success. I couldn’t pound a nail straight or sell you a pair of shoes, and I never wanted to revisit a job I had sweeping out a ballpark after the crowd was gone, wading through peanut shells and hotdog wrappers and breathing the smell of spilled beer. I was spared the heartbreak of trying to teach kids who didn’t love reading as much as I do for the deceptively simple reason that I could write a story, be it fact or fiction. Because people would pay me for those stories, I never was a high school coach beset by parents who make more of their kids than they are. I knew the life I wanted, and I got to live it.</p>
<p>Now I am in the process of seeing out what else is out there. I began my search in earnest when I wrote the first two sentences of a hard-boiled novel that had been in my mind for years: “Too bad Barry was from Santa Barbara. Suki would have told him her real name if he’d been local.” Barry is a wandering husband who’s too slick for his own good and Suki is working her way through college in L.A.’s sex trade. In time they will cross paths with a boxer whose career went sideways when he killed a man in the ring. He cares about nothing, least of all his life, until he meets the girl, and then he cares too much, in the way only a noir hero can. Someone out there might be aware of all that if my novel, “A Better Goodbye,” had been published. But the manuscript languishes beside a tall stack of rejection letters.</p>
<p>Still, I reveled in everything about the process from the three-page-a-day discipline to the constant rewriting, and I cling to the hope that my novel will yet be published. A small press has made noises about it, but whether that happens or not, I have another novel in mind and I don’t think I can stop myself from writing it. It’s as if I’m trying to live the life of a starving writer without the risk of going hungry.</p>
<p>I write my fiction in bursts in a time when most literary agents will tell you fiction isn’t selling. But I am fueled by blind faith and the confidence I’ve gained from having two short stories published, one in the Prague Revue (yes, that Prague), the other on a now-defunct website called Thuglit.com. Neither paid anything, but I did receive a Thuglit T-shirt that I treasure too highly to wear. More important I gained just enough swagger to wonder why the hell my best short story has yet to be published. Nothing to do but keep sending it out, I guess.</p>
<p>I beat my head against a different kind of wall when I taught for a semester at my alma mater, <a href="http://www.continuum.utah.edu/winter04/schulian.htm" target="_blank">the University of Utah, in fall 2004</a>. The wall was constructed in part of the innocence and naivete that reminded me of myself at that age, but there was something more than that at work. There was an unsettling preoccupation with getting a degree instead of an education and, even worse, a lack of basic writing skill. One class in particular – Literary Journalism, of all things – was a wasteland that symbolized for me the parlous state of the language in this age of email happy faces and LOLs. If it weren’t for the hungry minds who made my Art of Storytelling class a joy, I might have staggered off the academic battlefield jabbering like a chimp. Of course my young scholars might tell you I was too demanding. They thought my “Always honest, seldom kind” policy was hilarious only when it didn’t apply to them. Since then, I’ve apologized to the Humanities Department’s guiding lights for being too tough only to be told I should have been tougher. I assume they would have established a bail fund for me.</p>
<p>If I have done anything right as I adapt to geezerhood, it is put books together. Two are collections of my sportswriting, <a href="http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/10/11/bronx-banter-interview-john-schulian/" target="_blank">“Sometimes They Even Shook Your Hand”</a> and “Twilight of the Long-ball Gods,” and I will leave it to someone else to speak good or ill of them. But you will find pieces of my heart in the other three books that bear my name. When I edited “The John Lardner Reader,” I was doing more than reviving the work of a brilliant and acerbically funny sportswriter out of print for half a century. I was thanking him and all the other press box legends whose work I’d studied – Red Smith, W.C. Heinz, and Jimmy Cannon in particular – for lighting the way for me.</p>
<p>Editing “At the Fights,” a collection of classic boxing writing, proved even more personal because I was working with George Kimball, who stared death in the eye every step of the way. He was as heroic as any prizefighter memorialized in either that book or “The Fighter Still Remains,” the slender volume of boxing poetry and song lyrics that we spun out of it. There were many things that helped keep George alive so he could feel the love and admiration wash over him at the publication party in New York, but I’ll never stop believing it was “At the Fights” itself that gave him the will to battle cancer for the full 12 rounds. Not once did I hear him complain or wallow in self-pity. The book was always foremost in his mind, just the way George is now in mine, four months after his death at 67.</p>
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<p>I wish he’d been here the other day when the cable guy walked into my office and saw a blow-up of the cover for “At the Fights.” “I read that book,” he said, and proceeded to tell me what is in it. It was one of those moments that prove both the breadth of the book’s appeal and the populist nature of sportswriting in general. It was, in other words, what George and I hoped for all along. I even know the song that should have been playing in the background. It’s “Too Many Memories,” by the late Stephen Bruton, and there’s a line in it that says: “What makes you grow old is replacing hope with regret.” I think about those lyrics a lot, their wisdom and humanity and how right they are for me at this time of life. I think about them especially now, as I tell you this: Goodbye but don’t call me gone.</p>
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		<title>Wuz He Robbed?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a good one for you fight fans out there, an oral history of the...]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a good one for you fight fans out there, an oral history of the controversial Hagler-Leonard fight.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6983512/view/full/hagler-vs-leonard" target="_blank">Nice job by Eric Raskin and Grantland.</a></p>
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		<title>The Professional</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By John Schulian George Kimball was blessed with the kind of voluble charm you find...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_62457" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 500px"><a href="http://bronxbanter.arneson.name/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/tyson_freeimage700_27432a.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-62457 " title="tyson_freeimage700_27432a" src="http://bronxbanter.arneson.name/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/tyson_freeimage700_27432a.jpg" alt="" width="490" height="388" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">George Kimball, far right, with Mike Tyson and Marvin Hagler, mid-&#39;80s</p></div>
<p><strong>By John Schulian</strong></p>
<p>George Kimball was blessed with the kind of voluble charm you find in an Irish bar, and, brother, let me tell you he’d been in a few. No amount of drink, however, could rein in his galloping intelligence. It was as pure a part of him as his love of the language and good company, and when he spoke, I did what I’ve always done best in the presence of gold-star raconteurs: I listened. Even when we were on the radio hustling our book of great boxing writing, I did little more than provide grace notes. At least that’s the way it worked in the beginning. And then George’s voice began to turn into a sandpapery whisper. It was the chemo, extracting its price for helping to keep him alive.</p>
<p>Now I was the talker, just me by myself, trying to score points with the strangers on the air at the other end of the line. Again and again, I gravitated to the idea that there is something noble about prizefighters in their willingness to accept the fact that every time they set foot in the ring, they may be carried out on their shield. But it was always George I thought of, the truest nobleman of my lifetime.</p>
<p>The cancer doctors gave him six months to live six years ago, and it was as if he said, with characteristic Anglo-Saxon aplomb, “Fuck you, I’m too busy to die.” He went on to write books, essays, poetry, songs, and even a play. He edited books, too, and worked on a documentary. Somehow he also found time to get out to the theater and concerts and dinners. When we were collaborating long-distance – George in New York, me in L.A. – he surprised me more than once with the news that he had just landed in France or Ireland. He wasn’t simply collecting stickers for his suitcase, either. He was savoring the world that was slipping away from him and looking up writers he had always wanted to meet, like J.P. Donleavy and Bill Barich. And he made a point of staying in touch with them, for once he wrapped his arms around someone, he never let go.</p>
<p>It will be that way even now that he has breathed his last, too soon, at 67. Those of us who knew him&#8211;probably even those who have only heard about him&#8211;will keep the Kimball legend alive with stories about his wild times and all the nights he dropped his glass eye in a drink someone asked him to keep an eye on. There was a look that George used to get when he was on the loose back then, a look that is probably best understood when I tell you I first saw it in the Lion’s Head as he was trying to set a friend’s sport coat on fire. His friend was wearing it.</p>
<p>I went a long time without seeing George, and when we reconnected, he had changed without sacrificing either his relentless view of the world or his ability to laugh at the hash that mankind has made of things. He was like the record producer in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Visit-Goon-Squad-Jennifer-Egan/dp/0307477479/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1310131848&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">Jennifer Egan’s sublime novel “A Visit from the Goon Squad,”</a> who tells a bewildered young man how he survived the self-destructiveness of the rock and roll business: “You grew up, Alex, just like the rest of us.” So it was that George put booze and drugs behind him and let his work take center stage. His unfiltered Lucky Strikes were the only remnant of his old life. “What are they going to do,” he said, “give me cancer?”</p>
<p>The transformation remained a mystery to me until Bill Nack, as treasured a friend as he is a writer, sent word a few years ago that George had esophageal cancer. I wrote George a note of support and got in return the most startling letter I expect I ever will from a sick man. There were no euphemisms, just pure, raw, unadorned honesty. George was going toe-to-toe with death, and he knew that death would win, but he was damned if he wasn’t going to take the fight the full 12 rounds. Never if my life have I seen a greater example of a fighter’s heart, and that includes Ali and Frazier.</p>
<p>George was fighting for the money he would leave his wife and children, and for a body of work that said he counted for something in the world of sportswriting. He wrote incisively, relentlessly, memorably, and he threw himself into the editing of our Library of America anthology, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/At-Fights-American-Writers-Boxing/dp/1598530925" target="_blank">“At the Fights: American Writers on Boxing,”</a> with the same fervor. Here was a book that would give him the spotlight he yearned for. On that March day in 2010 when the bosses at LoA told us it had passed muster, George was so happy it didn’t matter that he was too sick to swallow his soup. He was a champion.</p>
<p>He wasn’t finished, though. Space limitations&#8211;yes, even a 517-page book has them&#8211;had confined us to non-fiction, so he tracked down a small press and Lou DiBella, a boxing promoter with a literary bent. Voila! <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Still-Remains-George-Kimball/dp/0979994756/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_5" target="_blank">“The Fighter Still Remains: A Celebration of Boxing in Poetry and Song Lyrics from Ali to Zevon”</a> was born.</p>
<p>And still George wasn’t done. We had an abundance of fiction we hadn’t been able to squeeze into “At the Fights,” either, unforgettable work by Hemingway, Nelson Algren and Leonard Gardner, to name but a few, and George wasn’t about to let them lie fallow. Back to work we went, each of us digging up new entries along the way, George zeroing in on Walter Mosley, me on Harry Crews. We didn’t have a publisher, of course, not even a nibble, but we had a title, “Sweet Scientists: A Treasury of American Boxing Fiction,” and that was enough to sustain us for the time being.</p>
<p>I mailed everything I found to George, who promised that he would overcome his Oscar Madison tendencies and send me the manuscript in good shape. I shouldn’t have doubted him, but I did. I read the e-mail he sent to the woman who watches over his web site, the one in which he gave specific instructions about what to do after he was gone, and I knew the final grains of sand were going through the hour glass. But on Wednesday, shortly before noon, Federal Express delivered a box to my door, and inside was the manuscript George had promised, looking neat, even pristine. A few hours later, on the other side of the country, he was dead.</p>
<p>[<em>Editor's Note: George is remembered by his friends</em> <a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/pierce/2011/07/george_kimball_1943-2011.html?camp=localsearch:on:twit:pierce" target="_blank">Charlie Pierce </a><em>and</em> <a href="http://bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/general/view.bg?articleid=1350253&amp;position=1" target="_blank">Michael Gee</a>. <em>Here is</em> <a href="http://verbplow.blogspot.com/2011/07/my-breakfasts-with-george.html" target="_blank">a lovely piece by Glenn Stout</a>.]</p>
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		<title>Now There Was a Man</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our good friend George Kimball died yesterday after a lengthy battle with cancer. He lived longer...]]></description>
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<p>Our good friend <a href="http://www.georgekimball.com/" target="_blank">George Kimball</a> died yesterday after a lengthy battle with cancer. <a href="http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/12903-george-kimball-1943-2011" target="_blank">He lived longer than anyone expected</a> and there is much to celebrate about his life. But right now I just feel sad.  He will be dearly missed. George was a real Man.</p>
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		<title>Me, Myself and I</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/06/07/me-myself-and-i/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[George Kimball has a fine profile of Pete Hamill and Hamill&#8217;s new novel, &#8220;Tabloid City&#8221;...]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/magazine/2011/0604/1224298142988.html" target="_blank">George Kimball has a fine profile of Pete Hamill and Hamill&#8217;s new novel, &#8220;Tabloid City&#8221; in the Irish Times</a>. This part spoke to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Introducing Hamill at a symposium celebrating the publication of Tabloid City a few weeks ago, fellow writer Adam Gopnik alluded to Tabloid City’s “recurrent theme of loneliness”, but he was quickly corrected by Hamill. While most of the novel’s characters do fly solo, some do so by choice.</p>
<p>“I would draw the distinction between loneliness and solitude,” says Hamill. “Many of us, particularly writers and artists, cherish our solitude.” He and Fukiko maintain separate working quarters in their Tribeca loft.</p>
<p>“Many people adjust to being alone by embracing solitude, rather than surrendering to loneliness, and there’s something almost ennobling about that. With a good book in the house, you’re never alone. But since being alone – at least in my opinion – can be most difficult at night, some people fill their nights with work.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I used to be uncomfortable being alone. Maybe it is because I&#8217;m a twin, I don&#8217;t know. But I associated being alone with being lonely. Now, I see that solitude is not necessarily depressing or isolating at all. And that is a great relief.</p>
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<p>[Photo Credit:  David Senechal Polydactyle]</p>
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		<title>Pugilistic Linguistics</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also reviewed in the Times yesterday was &#8220;At the Fights: American Writers on Boxing.&#8221; I&#8217;ve...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_60252" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 323px"><a href="http://bronxbanter.arneson.name/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Georges-BDay2.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-60252" title="Georges-BDay2" src="http://bronxbanter.arneson.name/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Georges-BDay2.jpg" alt="" width="313" height="358" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">George Kimball</p></div>
<p>Also reviewed in <em>the Times</em> yesterday was <a href="http://www.amazon.com/At-Fights-American-Writers-Boxing/dp/1598530925" target="_blank">&#8220;At the Fights: American Writers on Boxing.&#8221;</a> I&#8217;ve been touting the book all spring. It was edited by two veteran writers I&#8217;m fortunate to call friends: George Kimball and John Schulian. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/books/review/book-review-at-the-fights-american-writers-on-boxing.html?ref=books" target="_blank">I was thrilled that it received nothing short of a rave from Gordon Marino</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>More than any other sport, even baseball or golf, boxing calls forth the muse in writers. It’s no surprise. Where there is risk there is drama, and boxers put more at risk than other athletes. In a single evening, they roll the dice with their health, marketability and sense of identity. When you have a bad night in the ring, you can’t make it up in a double header on Sunday, or on another football field in a week’s time. And after the very last bell, there is seldom a diploma to fall back on, and there sure won’t be any pension checks coming in the mail.</p>
<p>It’s a very hard game — maybe even crazy — but as the affection-filled writers who have attached themselves to these warriors know, the masters of the ring possess a unique nobility. That nobility is perfectly framed in this remarkable volume from the Library of America. The essays here capture every angle of this world, both solemn and comic.</p>
<p>&#8230;I would bemoan only one omission, namely, the wise, lustrous pages of F. X. Toole’s introduction to his short-story collection, “Rope Burns.” Though “At the Fights” weighs in at 500-plus pages, it doesn’t contain a single flabby contribution. Over and over again, writers and readers have sought to get behind the eyes of a fighter, to fathom the fighter’s heart. This is as close as you can get without catching a hook to the head.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s my favorite book that&#8217;s come out this year. Perfect for Father&#8217;s Day or any other day you want to be graced by a collection of great writing.</p>
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<p>[Cartoon by George Price]</p>
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		<title>The Future is Now</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/05/16/the-future-is-now-4/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 17:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over at ESPN, Tom Friend has a nice takeout piece on Kevin Durant. The Thunder&#8211;thanks...]]></description>
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<p>Over at <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/columns/story?id=6530509" target="_blank">ESPN, Tom Friend has a nice takeout piece on Kevin Durant</a>.</p>
<p>The Thunder&#8211;thanks in large part to Durant&#8217;s 39 pernts yesterday&#8211;will face the Mavericks in the Western Conference Finals.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, check out <a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0512/1224296751529.html" target="_blank">this piece on the demise of the L.A. Lakers from George Kimbal</a>l.</p>
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		<title>And a Fine Time Was Had By All</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/14/and-a-fine-time-was-had-by-all/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night, Jon DeRosa and I went to a book party at the New York...]]></description>
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<p>Last night, Jon DeRosa and I went to a book party at the New York Athletic Club for <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598530925/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;pf_rd_i=0618145338&amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_r=0DNJNY703CZ41BQ5EAQY" target="_blank">&#8220;At the Fights.&#8221; </a>It was well attended&#8211;contributors like Robert Lipsyte, Thomas Hauser, Larry Merchant and Gay Talese were there. Joe Flaherty&#8217;s wife showed up, and so did W.C. Heinz&#8217;s daughter. Art Donovan, the football legend whose old man was a great boxing ref, was there too. George Kimball and John Schulian, pictured above, gave lovely speeches.</p>
<p>George talked about the relationship between boxing and writing, about how they are both difficult, solitary experiences. He said, &#8221;Writing is hard but editing this book was a complete pleasure.&#8221; Sure, the editors had to make agonizing choices&#8211;some fine stories like Jack Murphy&#8217;s &#8220;The Mongoose,&#8221; <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1119578/3/index.htm" target="_blank">Frank Deford&#8217;s &#8220;The Boxer and the Blonde,&#8221; </a>and J.R. Moehringer&#8217;s &#8220;Resurrecting the Champ,&#8221; didn&#8217;t make the final cut&#8211;but still, selecting from a wealth of fantastic writing must easier than writing itself.</p>
<p>If you care about good writing, doesn&#8217;t matter if you are a boxing fan or not, this is a book to have.</p>
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		<title>Milestone</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/11/milestone-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week I had a piece on George Kimball and &#8220;At the Fights&#8221; in Sports...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1184173/index.htm" target="_blank">I had a piece on George Kimball and &#8220;At the Fights&#8221; in Sports Illustrated.</a> First time I&#8217;ver ever made the magazine.</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m bursting with pride about it, man, I won&#8217;t lie.</p>
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		<title>Paid in Full</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/05/paid-in-full-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, Mike Lupica, Pete Hamill, Leonard Gardner, Colum McCann and Robert Lipsyte joined George...]]></description>
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<p>Last week, Mike Lupica, <a href="http://www.petehamill.com/" target="_blank">Pete Hamill</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/City-California-Fiction-Leonard-Gardner/dp/0520206576" target="_blank">Leonard Gardner</a>, <a href="http://www.colummccann.com/" target="_blank">Colum McCann</a> and <a href="http://www.robertlipsyte.com/" target="_blank">Robert Lipsyte</a> joined <a href="http://www.georgekimball.com/" target="_blank">George Kimball</a> at Barnes and Noble in Tribeca to talk about &#8220;At the Fights.&#8221; <a href="http://blog.loa.org/2011/03/robert-lipsyte-describes-how-cassius.html" target="_blank">Here is Lipsyte in fine form</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1964 my time was not very valuable. I was a utility night rewrite writer and speechwriter at the Times when Sonny Liston fought Cassius Clay for the first time. The Times, in its wisdom, did not feel it was worth the time to send the real boxing writer. So they sent me down to Miami Beach and my instructions were, as soon as I got there, to rent a car and drive back and forth a couple of times between the arena, where the fight was going to be held in a week, and the nearest hospital. They did not want me wasting any deadline time following Cassius Clay into intensive care. I did that—if any of you ever get into trouble in South Beach, call me, I can tell you how to get there. I did it and drove to the Fifth Street Gym where Cassius was training. He was not there yet.</p>
<p>As I walked up the stairs to the gym there was a kind of hubbub behind me. There were these four little guys in terrycloth cabana suits who were being pushed up the stairs by two big security guards. As I found out later, it was a British rock group in America. They had been taken to Sonny Liston for a photo op. He had taken one look at them and said “I’m not posing with those sissies.” Desperately, they brought the group over to Cassius Clay—to at least get a shot with him. They’re being pushed up the stairs, I’m a little ahead of them. When we get to the top of the stairs, Clay’s not there. The leader of the group says, “Let’s get the fuck out of here. “ He turned around, but the cops pushed all five of us into a dressing room and locked the door. That’s how I became the fifth Beatle. [laughter]</p>
<p>They were cursing. They were angry. They were absolutely furious. I introduced myself. John said, “Hi, I’m Ringo.” Ringo said, “Hi, I’m George.” I asked how they thought the fight was going to go. “Oh, he’s going to kill the little wanker,” they said. Then they were cursing, stamping their feet, banging on the door. Suddenly the door bursts open and there is the most beautiful creature any of us had ever seen. Muhammad Ali. Cassius Clay. He glowed. And of course he was much larger than he seemed in photographs—because he was perfect. He leaned in, looked at them and said, “C’mon, let’s go make some money.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Priceless. And there is sure to be more where that came from in Lipsyte&#8217;s new memoir, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Accidental-Sportswriter-Memoir-Robert-Lipsyte/dp/0061769134/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1301966579&amp;sr=1-5-spell" target="_blank">&#8220;An Accidental Sportswriter.&#8221;</a></p>
<p><iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/hEqJcmnrMo8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2011/04/03/2011-04-03_the_new_book_at_the_fights_american_writers_on_boxing_is_a_knockout_for_fight_fa.html">a nice write up on &#8220;At the Fights&#8221; by Lupica</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Finally there is George Kimball, a character from journalism as big and colorful and wonderful as any in this book. I have known him since he hired me at the Boston Phoenix a thousand years ago. Now all this time later, he is a fighter himself against illness. Big George keeps coming, keeps writing for the Irish Times, and his own boxing books such as &#8220;Four Kings.&#8221; All he did on Warren Street was steal the show.</p>
<p>George writes in &#8220;At The Fights&#8221; about Hagler and Leonard, and his piece includes this line: &#8220;It was Leonard who dictated the terms under which the battle was waged.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the late rounds he brings those words to his own life. People saw for themselves with George the other night how much he loves the sport, loves this book he worked so tirelessly to assemble, loves good writing most of all. Saw a boxing writer as tough as anybody he ever covered.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice job by Lupica. It was a wonderful night and I&#8217;m just sorry that it didn&#8217;t go on longer. A lot of the men in the audience, and on the panel, talked about how boxing was a common bond between them and their old men. Friday night fights, golden gloves. Kimball said that during the Vietnam War boxing was the only thing he could enjoy with his father, period. The only thing that was missing from the event was a cloud of cigar smoke hanging over the room.</p>
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		<title>Fight Night</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/04/04/fight-night/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[George Kimball and Thomas Hauser headline this week&#8217;s Varsity Letters speaking series, brought to you...]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.gelfmagazine.com/gelflog/archives/april_7_varsity_letters_boxing_night.php" target="_blank">George Kimball and Thomas Hauser headline this week&#8217;s Varsity Letters speaking series, brought to you by the good people at Gelf Magazine</a>. If you are around on Thursday night, do yourself a favor and fall through, you are sure to be entertained and learn a thing or three. I&#8217;ll be there for sure.</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://artsfuse.org/?p=27745" target="_blank">a recent interview with Kimball</a> discussing &#8220;At the Fights: American Writers on Boxing&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>Arts Fuse: A. J. Liebling is generally considered by critics to be the best American writer on boxing. If he is at the top, who are the runners-up and why?</p>
<p>Kimball: Not Mailer and not Hemingway, although they’d probably think they were. Just off the top of my head, the worthy contenders would include Budd Schulberg and W.C. Heinz for certain, but also Mark Kram and Pat Putnam from SI, Ralph Wiley, all of whom really understood the sport in addition to being wonderful writers.</p>
<p>AF: There are some really rare finds here — for example, pieces by Richard Wright and Sherwood Anderson on Joe Louis. How difficult was the research for the anthology? What are some of your favorite pieces?</p>
<p>Kimball: I wouldn’t describe the research as “difficult,” because it was such a pleasure. We probably read a half-dozen really good pieces for every one that wound up in the anthology. We read some pretty awful ones, too, mostly when we’d been touted by someone who should have known better.</p>
<p>&#8230;I’ve been asked that question by several people over the past couple of months and usually manage to duck it by saying “Which of your children is your favorite?” But I will say that John Lardner’s masterpiece on Stanley Ketchel, “Down Great Purple Valleys,” is sort of the cornerstone of the whole book. With all the other changes we went through in compiling At the Fights, that was the one, indispensable story if only because it so exemplified what we wanted to do with the rest of the book –- and that was setting the bar pretty high.</p></blockquote>
<p>Man, Ralph Wiley is overlooked these days, isn&#8217;t he? And since George mentioned &#8220;Down Great Purple Valleys,&#8221; here again, is one of the greatest openings in the history of American journalism:</p>
<p>&#8220;Stanley Ketchel was twenty-four years old when he was fatally shot in the back by the common-law husband of the lady who was cooking his breakfast.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Punch Drunk Love</title>
		<link>http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/03/30/punch-drunk-love-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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<p>If you dig boxing and boxing writing <a href="http://btob.store-locator.barnesandnoble.com/event/69731" target="_blank">you must head on down to the Barnes and Noble in Tribeca tonight at 7</a>. Banter favorite George Kimball, co-editor of &#8220;At the Fights: American Writers on Boxing,&#8221; will be joined by Pete Hamill, Mike Lupica and Robert Lipsyte.</p>
<p>Be there or be square.</p>
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