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		<title>Outshined</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the classic Soundgarden tune &#8220;Outshined&#8221;, Chris Cornell writes: I just looked in the mirror...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the classic Soundgarden tune &#8220;Outshined&#8221;, Chris Cornell writes: </p>
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I just looked in the mirror<br />
And things aren&#8217;t lookin&#8217; so good.<br />
I&#8217;m looking California<br />
And feelin&#8217; Minnesota. </p></blockquote>
<p>That brief stanza may be an apt way to describe Hiroki Kuroda&#8217;s start Wednesday night. He was both looking and feeling California in the home opener last Friday against the Los Angeles Angels. In the song, &#8220;feeling Minnesota&#8221; is a euphemism for feeling terrible. On the field, Kuroda wasn&#8217;t feeling Minnesota, Minnesota was feeling Kuroda. Four of the first five Twins to come to the plate in the first inning got hits and scored. By the time Kuroda had thrown 13 pitches, the Yankees were in a 4-0 hole. </p>
<p><div id="attachment_83270" class="wp-caption center" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Kuroda_BB_Inline_04181.png"><img src="http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Kuroda_BB_Inline_04181-300x238.png" alt="" width="300" height="238" class="size-medium wp-image-83270" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Hiroki Kuroda&#039;s second Yankee Stadium start was much rougher than his first. (Photo Credit / Getty Images)</p></div>Kuroda&#8217;s downfall was Justin Morneau. His two-run home run in the first inning put the Twins up 4-0, he singled and scored in the third, and he belted another home run in the fifth &#8212; a solo shot &#8212; to end Kuroda&#8217;s night. (Not to question X&#8217;s and O&#8217;s, but Morneau&#8217;s fifth-inning home run came on a 2-0 count. Was anyone else thinking, &#8220;Hey, the bases are empty, walk him and take your chances with someone named Chris Parmelee?&#8221;). </p>
<p>The Yankees&#8217; lineup, which was without Alex Rodriguez and Brett Gardner but had Mark Teixeira back, did their best to bail out Kuroda, responding with three runs of their own in the bottom of the first. Trailing 4-3, they loaded the bases with one out and a realistic chance to post a crooked number until Eric Chavez ended the threat by grounding into a double play. </p>
<p>Three different times the Yankees would get to within one run of the Twins, but not once could they tie the game. Three straight innings &#8212; the fifth, sixth and seventh &#8212; the Yankees put the leadoff man on base and mounted threats, but couldn&#8217;t score. After the first inning, the only runs they were able to manage came off solo home runs from Robinson Cano and Derek Jeter. </p>
<p>6-5 final, series finale with Phil Hughes on the mound Thursday. Are you confident?</p>
<p><strong>ROOT FOR THESE GUYS</strong></p>
<li> <a href="http://bit.ly/xwwiol">Alex Belth&#8217;s profile</a> of Kuroda, posted here in February, made us want to root for him for reasons beyond his simply wearing the Yankee uniform. Wednesday was one of those nights sinkerballers tend to have. If the sinker doesn&#8217;t sink, it stinks.
<p>&#8220;He was just up all night,&#8221; manager Joe Girardi said. &#8220;He didn&#8217;t seem to have it from the get-go.&#8221;</p>
<p>Despite the poor result, which raised Kuroda&#8217;s ERA to an even 5.00 and his WHIP to 1.61, Kuroda remains an integral component to the Yankees&#8217; starting rotation, based on his skill set, veteran presence, and experience. We&#8217;ll have about 30 more chances to root for him. </p>
<li> Opposing Kuroda was native Long Islander Jason Marquis. Marquis, who grew up in Staten Island and still lives there, was making his American League and 2012 season debut. Marquis had pitched in New York before, but at Shea Stadium and Citi Field, but had never pitched a major league game in the Bronx.
<p>Marquis&#8217; debut was delayed; this story has been well document. He left the Twins with two weeks to go in Spring Training to attend to his daughter, who lacerated her liver in a bicycle accident. Ken Rosenthal does a tremendous job of portraying the details of the story <a href="http://on-msn.com/HWuoio">here</a>. As a father of one little girl and another on the way, I applaud what Marquis did. There&#8217;s no decision to make. </p>
<p>His daughter had four surgeries and is recovering well. According to reports, a full recovery is expected within three months. How fortunate Jason Marquis was to be home with his family, and STAY home when he joined his new team. As a bonus, his family got to be on the field with him yesterday (nice work by YES taking video and showing that B-roll during the bottom of the first inning). </p>
<p>And he got the win.</p>
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		<title>All American Man</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Belth</dc:creator>
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<p><a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/cliff_corcoran/05/31/mvp-race/index.html" target="_blank">Cliff checks in on the MVP races over at SI.com.</a> Leading the AL? That man Morneau:</p>
<blockquote><p>Last year, Joe Mauer led the American League in all three slash-stat categories (batting average/on-base percentage/slugging), led the majors in the first two and was a nearly unanimous selection for AL MVP. On Sunday morning, Mauer&#8217;s teammate Morneau was leading the AL in all three slash stats and the majors in the first two (Miguel Cabrera passed Morneau in slugging on Sunday). Morneau plays a position with a much higher average level of production and isn&#8217;t as highly regarded defensively as Mauer even there, but the slash-stat triple crown should be enough to guarantee a hitter the MVP award. To put the accomplishment in context: Mauer was the first American Leaguer to accomplish the feat since George Brett in 1980; only four NL hitters have pulled it off since Stan Musial did it in 1948, the most recent being Barry Bonds in 2004. I&#8217;d be surprised to see Morneau regain and maintain the lead in all three categories, but given how close he is to that accomplishment at this point in the season, he has to be the favorite for AL MVP.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Yankee Panky: VORP for MVP</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Weiss</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The word “value&#8221; has numerous definitions and interpretations. The noun form, per dictionary.com, has 15...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word “value&#8221; has numerous definitions and interpretations. The noun form, per <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/value">dictionary.com</a>, has 15 listed meanings. The first several apply to some kind of monetary distinction.</p>
<p>But if we’re looking at value in terms of a baseball player and a certain annual regular season award that’s handed out in November, we need to looking at the adjective, or maybe even the verb. The best definition of the three verb lines that apply here: “to consider with respect to worth, excellence, usefulness, or importance.”</p>
<p>Because of the way the MVP vote is constructed, the discussion surrounding the debate comes down to a subjective analysis of who should be considered the most worthy, excellent, useful, and/or important player in the league. The miracle of modern technology has made taken the level of debate to new heights. Please to enjoy, for example, Tyler Kepner’s tweet on August 14, moments after Mark Teixeira’s tiebreaking home run at Safeco Field:</p>
<p>“By the way, this is probably obvious by now, but Teixeira’s the AL MVP. &#8216;No question,&#8217; as Joe Torre would say.”</p>
<p>The statements themselves seemed innocuous. They were an impulse reaction to a great moment among many that Tex, ye of the 8-year, $180 million contract, has provided in Year 1 of the megadeal. That was until you followed the thread to catch the jibes about Tex&#8217;s negative Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR) and the running joke it&#8217;s become, and scoured the Net to read criticisms from Rob Neyer, Joe Posnanski, and my esteemed former colleague Steven Goldman – although Goldman’s retort wasn’t immediately directed at Kepner.</p>
<p>The criticisms of Kepner, save for broader strokes from Goldman and <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/08/19/jeter/index.html">JoePos in SI</a>, read like they traded in the horses that were driving the Joe Mauer Bandwagon for rocket fuel.</p>
<p>Put bluntly, it was an all-out Internet war with Neyer wielding a sabermetric sword (yes, pun intended), Pos casting spells with his wizarding words, and Kepner responding with a gun that instead of bullets, fired the stick with the flag that reads, “BANG!”</p>
<p>From <a href="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-175/Has-Tex-locked-up-MVP-already-.html">Neyer</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>What inspired this particular post? An essentially meaningless home run, hit well after midnight (back in New York). I mean, I&#8217;m sorry, but the Yankees aren&#8217;t exactly in the middle of a pennant race anymore. They&#8217;ve got a huge lead over the second-place Red Sox. And if the Red Sox should somehow mount a late charge, the Yankees have a huger lead over the Rangers for that other postseason berth. … Joe Mauer currently leads the American League in batting average, on-base percentage, and slugging percentage. I don&#8217;t suppose anyone&#8217;s forgotten this yet, but he&#8217;s a catcher. Teixeira&#8217;s a first baseman. Are we really supposed to go for a power-hitting first baseman again, even when there&#8217;s a better-hitting catcher playing for a competitive team?” Neyer went on to say that he’s worried the writers are conspiring to rob Mauer of what should be a third MVP award for him.</p></blockquote>
<p>He continued his fact-based rant <a href="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-176/More-on-Tex-vs--the-World.html">48 hours later</a>, saying, &#8220;You know what? Let&#8217;s just be honest. The argument for Teixeira is an argument for doing it the way it&#8217;s always been done. Teixeira is just another big RBI guy on a team with a great record. If he were a Twin and Mauer were a Yankee, Teixeira would hardly be an afterthought. Some of you are OK with that. I&#8217;m not.”</p>
<p>Six days later, Neyer felt compelled to write about <a href="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-199/One-MVP-voter-down--27-to-go.html">convincing Pete Abe</a> on Super Joe. The goal, apparently, is to not only campaign for Mauer for MVP, but to have him win unanimously.</p>
<p>OK &#8230; now to <a href="http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/08/15/mauer-power-8-15/">Mr. Pos</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Look, could you make a case for Mark Teixeira over Joe Mauer? Well, you could make a case for anything. You could say that Mauer missed the first month of the season — so Teixeira has about 120 more plate appearances. You could say that the Yankees are going to the playoffs and the Twins are not unless they make a late season rush that looks more and more unlikely. But it sure seems to me that we need to start jabbing holes in this Teixeira MVP thing before it becomes a fait accompli.</p>
<p>Joe Mauer is having a much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much better season than Mark Teixeira. I’m not sure I put enough muches in there. Mauer is on pace to win his THIRD batting title as a catcher — and no other American League catcher has ever won even one. He leads the league in on-base percentage AND slugging percentage, the two most important stats going, and the only catcher to ever do that in baseball history was … oh, wait, nobody. He throws out base runners and hits .395 with runners in scoring position (hits .457 with runners in scoring position and two outs) and even runs the bases well.</p></blockquote>
<p>And three days later, JoePos had <a href="http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/08/18/live-from-mauer-pauer-tauer-8-18/">this to offer</a>: &#8220;Not to slam this MVP thing again, but we do realize that even forgetting all those kooky &#8216;advanced stats&#8217; that seem to annoy people, even with Mauer missing a month of the season with injury — Mauer has now scored as many runs at Teixeira and he’s only 13 RBIs behind, and his batting average is 95 points higher. We do realize that the last seven days, while the Twins have been in desperate need of victories (and not getting many), Mauer is hitting .552 with three home runs and a .931 slugging percentage. And he’s probably the Gold Glove catcher.&#8221;</p>
<p>And finally, <a href="http://pinstripedbible.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/08/bible.html">Goldman</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Unless Teixeira leads the league in home runs by a significant margin, or Mauer cools dramatically, it&#8217;s hard to see him emerging from the pack when his season is unremarkable by the standards of his position. Of the last 60 awards (both leagues), first basemen won only 11 times. No first baseman won without hitting .300 (I am treating the 1979 Keith Hernandez/Willie Stargell split like an honorary Academy Award for Pops). All but one, Mo Vaughn in 1995, were well over the .300 mark. An average of those 11 seasons comes to roughly .333/.428/.624, and many of them, like Don Mattingly and Keith Hernandez, both included in the 11, were fine defenders as well. Teixeira&#8217;s not having that kind of season.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some harsh words in there. Kepner, following Posnanski’s initial commentary, issued a rebuttal at <a href="http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/for-teixeira-and-mauer-mvp-chase-is-on/">Bats</a>, noting that “obvious” was a poor choice of words in his Tweet. In a way, he invited the storm and I thought he handled himself admirably among some respected, admired and talented industry heavyweights. I thought the degree to which he was made to be the piñata for “traditional baseball opinions” was a bit extreme. He&#8217;s entitled to his opinion, and opinions are subjective, just like the MVP vote.</p>
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<p>As much as I like and respect Kepner, and as much as a fan of Mark Teixeira as I am, going back to seeing him play at Georgia Tech 10 years ago, I have to say that while he’s certainly a valuable piece to the lineup, he&#8217;s not the MVP. You can equate his value to many things, mainly 1) Derek Jeter and Johnny Damon hitting in front of him and getting on base 38 percent of the time, and 2) Alex Rodriguez protecting him in the cleanup spot.</p>
<p>Which brings us back to the original definition of value. Can it be quantified? If so, can we put that quantification to good use? Look no further than the MVP race of 2006, when Justin Morneau edged Jeter – robbed, really – of the award. When I heard the news of Morneau’s victory, I joked with Goldman that the voting error was so egregious that the privilege should be revoked from the writers and determined solely by Baseball Prospectus’s VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) statistic. I don’t know how VORP is calculated and don’t pretend to. What I know is that VORP is defined as &#8220;the number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances.&#8221; VORP scores do not consider defense.</p>
<p>Simple enough, right?</p>
<p>Jeter <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=100038">led the American League in VORP in ‘06</a>, while the winner of the award, Minnesota first baseman Justin Morneau, was <em>13th</em>. Morneau also scored 21 fewer runs than Jeter, walked 16 fewer times, hit 22 points lower and had an on-base percentage a full 42 points lower.</p>
<p>The other year Jeter was robbed – 1999 – was perhaps an even greater injustice. Jeter finished sixth in the voting on a team that went on to win the World Series. Again, Jeter led the <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=102517">league in VORP</a>. The writers’ MVP, Pudge Rodriguez, was 11th.</p>
<p>Forgetting VORP for a second, let’s take a more traditional look at the 1999 seasons of Pudge and Jeter:</p>
<p>R H HR RBI SB BB BA OBP SLG OPS<br />
Pudge 116 199 35 113 25 24 .332 .356 .558 .914<br />
Jeter 134 219 24 102 19 91 .349 .438 .552 .989</p>
<p>Jeter was better than Pudge in six of the 10 categories listed.</p>
<p>For all the Jeter haters who believe the opinions of him are largely based on intangibles, check those numbers again. Jeter had a more complete offensive season in 2006 than Morneau while playing a more demanding defensive position. Was it an historic season for a shortstop? Hardly. But outside of the historic context, doesn’t that argument sound similar to the one being made in favor of Mauer now? Ten years ago, outside of the physically demanding defensive position argument, couldn’t we make the same case for Jeter over Pudge?</p>
<p>Why is all this pertinent? If we’re going to talk VORP and apply it to the MVP race, then Mauer is this year’s winner, hands down. Mauer is the league leader in the category by almost 23 points over Tampa Bay’s Jason Bartlett, and if you need other reasons, consult the Kansas City law firm of Posnanski and Neyer. Those who argue Jeter over Tex to be in the discussion are right, by VORP. Jeter is fourth while Tex is 14th.</p>
<p>Only four MVP winners this decade have also led the league in VORP. Three of them were Alex Rodriguez in 2003, ’05 and ’07. Vlad Guerrero in ’04 was the other. Maybe it’s time the community as a whole looked at the Value Over Replacement Player item as a legitimate means of determining the Most Valuable Player award. Not only will it give legitimacy to the nerds – and I say that affectionately – it will end the ridiculous subjective back-and-forth arguments that only spawn more arguments year after year.</p>
<p>If the vote truly is what Neyer believes, an RBI-based award, then give it to Morneau again and anger the entire baseball fan populace.</p>
<p>But ask yourself: what’s the value in that?</p>
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