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		By: Shaun P.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shaun P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[1] I believe WPA is cumulative - you simply add it all together over time.

Thus, its not a big surprise to see Manny have the highest WPA of any Boston hitter over the last 15 years versus the Yanks.  I&#039;d bet Manny has the most PAs of any Boston hitter versus the Yanks over the last 15 years.

Ditto with Mo - no Yankee pitcher has faced the Sox more often with the game close or otherwise on the line.

Note too that on the top ten Red Sox hitters list, #10 is Sean Casey.  The same Sean Casey who played all of 69 games for Boston in 2008 - and in that time, had all of 29 ABs against the Yanks.  Leverage, baby.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[1] I believe WPA is cumulative &#8211; you simply add it all together over time.</p>
<p>Thus, its not a big surprise to see Manny have the highest WPA of any Boston hitter over the last 15 years versus the Yanks.  I&#8217;d bet Manny has the most PAs of any Boston hitter versus the Yanks over the last 15 years.</p>
<p>Ditto with Mo &#8211; no Yankee pitcher has faced the Sox more often with the game close or otherwise on the line.</p>
<p>Note too that on the top ten Red Sox hitters list, #10 is Sean Casey.  The same Sean Casey who played all of 69 games for Boston in 2008 &#8211; and in that time, had all of 29 ABs against the Yanks.  Leverage, baby.</p>
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		By: Shaun P.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shaun P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 17:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I &lt;b&gt;hate&lt;/b&gt; WPA, and here is why.  WPA tells us, without taking context into account, by how much one hitter and one pitcher swung a given game at the &quot;crucial&quot; point in time.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10745&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The BP crew had a good discussion on WPA a few weeks ago, and highlighted some of its (to me) biggest flaws.&lt;/a&gt;

The Sweeney-Ichiro example at the beginning shows, very simply, one of my biggest problems with WPA, but here&#039;s a tidbit that will tug at all our heartstrings:

&quot;Colin Wyers: Here’s more fun with WPA—the 1996 Yankees bullpen. Mariano Rivera, the setup man that season, has a 5.4 WPA. John Wetteland, the Yankees closer, has a 4.2 WPA.

At first blush, it makes no sense. Rivera pitched close to twice as many innings as Wetteland, had a lower ERA, higher K, drastically lower HR rate, a practical tie in walk rate-Rivera was much better than Wetteland, to an extent that WPA isn&#039;t capturing.

The answer is leverage. Wetteland had a 2.37 aLI, compared to 1.54 for Rivera. Now, if we swapped out Rivera with an average setup man, Wetteland&#039;s aLI, and thus his WPA, would drop. Wetteland, and not Rivera, gets all the credit for the extra leverage above average he is being provided by Rivera.&quot;

WPA tells part of a story, but it leaves too much of that story out to be really useful for evaluating anything, AFAIC.  As a snapshot of something though?  Fascinating to look at.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <b>hate</b> WPA, and here is why.  WPA tells us, without taking context into account, by how much one hitter and one pitcher swung a given game at the &#8220;crucial&#8221; point in time.  <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10745" rel="nofollow">The BP crew had a good discussion on WPA a few weeks ago, and highlighted some of its (to me) biggest flaws.</a></p>
<p>The Sweeney-Ichiro example at the beginning shows, very simply, one of my biggest problems with WPA, but here&#8217;s a tidbit that will tug at all our heartstrings:</p>
<p>&#8220;Colin Wyers: Here’s more fun with WPA—the 1996 Yankees bullpen. Mariano Rivera, the setup man that season, has a 5.4 WPA. John Wetteland, the Yankees closer, has a 4.2 WPA.</p>
<p>At first blush, it makes no sense. Rivera pitched close to twice as many innings as Wetteland, had a lower ERA, higher K, drastically lower HR rate, a practical tie in walk rate-Rivera was much better than Wetteland, to an extent that WPA isn&#8217;t capturing.</p>
<p>The answer is leverage. Wetteland had a 2.37 aLI, compared to 1.54 for Rivera. Now, if we swapped out Rivera with an average setup man, Wetteland&#8217;s aLI, and thus his WPA, would drop. Wetteland, and not Rivera, gets all the credit for the extra leverage above average he is being provided by Rivera.&#8221;</p>
<p>WPA tells part of a story, but it leaves too much of that story out to be really useful for evaluating anything, AFAIC.  As a snapshot of something though?  Fascinating to look at.</p>
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		By: Yankster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 16:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is WPA cumulative or is it an annual average - or game average? I looked it up on THT and other places and couldn&#039;t get a clear statement. I&#039;d hope it was average annual WPA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is WPA cumulative or is it an annual average &#8211; or game average? I looked it up on THT and other places and couldn&#8217;t get a clear statement. I&#8217;d hope it was average annual WPA.</p>
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