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		By: williamnyy23		</title>
		<link>https://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/05/18/drip-drop-drip-drop-drip/#comment-111103</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[822] As you mentioned though, other accomplished relievers also struggled. Where was he to turn. I don&#039;t remeber the specifics, but if trusting a reliever who had an ERA+ around 250 (as BAlfour did that season) for too long is his biggest downfall, I&#039;ll sign up right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[822] As you mentioned though, other accomplished relievers also struggled. Where was he to turn. I don&#8217;t remeber the specifics, but if trusting a reliever who had an ERA+ around 250 (as BAlfour did that season) for too long is his biggest downfall, I&#8217;ll sign up right now.</p>
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		By: Mattpat11		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[820] Having confidence in someone is great. Ignoring that they are getting knocked around the ballpark because of something they did earlier in the year seems like something you would rip Joe Torre apart for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[820] Having confidence in someone is great. Ignoring that they are getting knocked around the ballpark because of something they did earlier in the year seems like something you would rip Joe Torre apart for.</p>
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		By: cult of basebaal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[817] Eh, whatever ... I&#039;m done here.

Good nite all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[817] Eh, whatever &#8230; I&#8217;m done here.</p>
<p>Good nite all.</p>
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		By: williamnyy23		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[814] Balfour and Wheeler were excellent that season, so I can see having confidence in the guys who got you there. Also, he did trust a rookie to close out Game 7. That takes a lot of guts.

This season alone, Maddon has bunted home two winning runs. Girardi would never do that. Heck, if you were really committed to the bunt, why not use Pena to hit for Miranda and then have him try the squeeze?

Every time I watch the Rays, he seems to make a positive difference. Girardi&#039;s impact, however, is usually negative. I really think if he each man was managign the other team, the positions in the standing would be reversed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[814] Balfour and Wheeler were excellent that season, so I can see having confidence in the guys who got you there. Also, he did trust a rookie to close out Game 7. That takes a lot of guts.</p>
<p>This season alone, Maddon has bunted home two winning runs. Girardi would never do that. Heck, if you were really committed to the bunt, why not use Pena to hit for Miranda and then have him try the squeeze?</p>
<p>Every time I watch the Rays, he seems to make a positive difference. Girardi&#8217;s impact, however, is usually negative. I really think if he each man was managign the other team, the positions in the standing would be reversed.</p>
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		By: jjmerlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ack. I meant to write [816].]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack. I meant to write [816].</p>
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		By: jjmerlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[813] Weren&#039;t there men on second and third with Winn up?

If that&#039;s the case then his best case is that a Winn hit wins the game.

And I think most people feel that Cano scoring clocks in at a much lower probability than you seem to think it does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[813] Weren&#8217;t there men on second and third with Winn up?</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case then his best case is that a Winn hit wins the game.</p>
<p>And I think most people feel that Cano scoring clocks in at a much lower probability than you seem to think it does.</p>
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		By: cult of basebaal		</title>
		<link>https://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2010/05/18/drip-drop-drip-drop-drip/#comment-111097</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Except that in reality, as I saw it, it&#039;s not a matter of &quot;less than perfect&quot;, it&#039;s a matter of anything short of catastrophe ... the ball was sharply hit, Paplebon made a quick turn and decision, Cano was not more than 1/2 way down the line (if that).

All Paplebon had to do was deliver the ball to home plate without throwing the ball above, below or past Martinez.

If you want to believe that the chance of that was less than the chance of Winn getting a hit (subsequently) then, well, we&#039;re just going to have to agree to disagree, won&#039;t we?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that in reality, as I saw it, it&#8217;s not a matter of &#8220;less than perfect&#8221;, it&#8217;s a matter of anything short of catastrophe &#8230; the ball was sharply hit, Paplebon made a quick turn and decision, Cano was not more than 1/2 way down the line (if that).</p>
<p>All Paplebon had to do was deliver the ball to home plate without throwing the ball above, below or past Martinez.</p>
<p>If you want to believe that the chance of that was less than the chance of Winn getting a hit (subsequently) then, well, we&#8217;re just going to have to agree to disagree, won&#8217;t we?</p>
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		By: williamnyy23		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[813] You&#039;ve made your argument...you think Winn had a better chance to get a hit than Cano did to score on a ball that Papelbon fielded, turned toward second and then back toward home. I think Cano, who was off on contact, would have had a chance to score if Papelbon&#039;s throw was less than perfect, something not hard to imagine from a pumped up reliever whose mind is racing. Without any numbers to back it up, no one can really say what event is more likely.

However, in my scenario, the worst case is the Yankees still need a hit from Winn to tie the game. In your scenario, that&#039;s the best case. That&#039;s where common sense comes into the equation, from my point of view.

Also, if it is a bother to have your opinion challenged, then by all means don&#039;t engage. I wont feel left out, I promise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[813] You&#8217;ve made your argument&#8230;you think Winn had a better chance to get a hit than Cano did to score on a ball that Papelbon fielded, turned toward second and then back toward home. I think Cano, who was off on contact, would have had a chance to score if Papelbon&#8217;s throw was less than perfect, something not hard to imagine from a pumped up reliever whose mind is racing. Without any numbers to back it up, no one can really say what event is more likely.</p>
<p>However, in my scenario, the worst case is the Yankees still need a hit from Winn to tie the game. In your scenario, that&#8217;s the best case. That&#8217;s where common sense comes into the equation, from my point of view.</p>
<p>Also, if it is a bother to have your opinion challenged, then by all means don&#8217;t engage. I wont feel left out, I promise.</p>
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		By: Mattpat11		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[806] Could you imagine Giardi with three lefties? The starters would go four innings.]]></description>
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		By: Mattpat11		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[812] He left Balfour in well past the point where it was obvious he had nothing. Then he finally took him out and immediately did the same with Dan Wheeler.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[812] He left Balfour in well past the point where it was obvious he had nothing. Then he finally took him out and immediately did the same with Dan Wheeler.</p>
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		By: cult of basebaal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[808] Except that the two events *are* separate, aren&#039;t they?

Sometimes you stay on a 14 when the dealer shows a 16 and you win, sometimes you stay and the dealer hits and you lose
. 
The outcome changes, the math that drives your decision doesn&#039;t*. 

The chance of Cano beating that ground ball back to the pitcher to the plate is less than the chance of Winn getting a hit, *that&#039;s* my argument. We each know how we evaluate that equation, all that&#039;s left is for everyone else to make their own calculation after watching the video.

It ain&#039;t like I&#039;ve got any interest in bothering to argue with *you*, I&#039;ve spent too much time at Banter to bother with that ...

*specific card calculations being the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[808] Except that the two events *are* separate, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Sometimes you stay on a 14 when the dealer shows a 16 and you win, sometimes you stay and the dealer hits and you lose<br />
.<br />
The outcome changes, the math that drives your decision doesn&#8217;t*. </p>
<p>The chance of Cano beating that ground ball back to the pitcher to the plate is less than the chance of Winn getting a hit, *that&#8217;s* my argument. We each know how we evaluate that equation, all that&#8217;s left is for everyone else to make their own calculation after watching the video.</p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t like I&#8217;ve got any interest in bothering to argue with *you*, I&#8217;ve spent too much time at Banter to bother with that &#8230;</p>
<p>*specific card calculations being the same.</p>
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		By: williamnyy23		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[810] How so...I don&#039;t recall Maddon doing a bad job in the 2008 ALCS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[810] How so&#8230;I don&#8217;t recall Maddon doing a bad job in the 2008 ALCS.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[808] Sarcasism is even better than sarcasism...it includes talk of pork and fuck&#039;er blues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[808] Sarcasism is even better than sarcasism&#8230;it includes talk of pork and fuck&#8217;er blues.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[781] Lets not forget that Joe Maddon fiddled while Rome burned and almost singlehandedly cost the Rays the ALCS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[781] Lets not forget that Joe Maddon fiddled while Rome burned and almost singlehandedly cost the Rays the ALCS.</p>
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		By: Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[808] Banter glossary alert! &quot;sarcasism&quot;! Chyll Will, anymore room on the t-shirts??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[808] Banter glossary alert! &#8220;sarcasism&#8221;! Chyll Will, anymore room on the t-shirts??</p>
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		By: williamnyy23		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[807] That&#039;s funny...what you think is common sense doesn&#039;t seem to be what I do. I&#039;ll stick with my reading of the play, and you can stick with yours. Had Cano tried to score, we really don&#039;t know what would have happened. He did take your approach, however, and we do know how that turned out.

The only horse being beaten is you trying to convince me that I am wrong without offering anything more than sarcasism, which is usually a refuge when a compelling argument is lacking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[807] That&#8217;s funny&#8230;what you think is common sense doesn&#8217;t seem to be what I do. I&#8217;ll stick with my reading of the play, and you can stick with yours. Had Cano tried to score, we really don&#8217;t know what would have happened. He did take your approach, however, and we do know how that turned out.</p>
<p>The only horse being beaten is you trying to convince me that I am wrong without offering anything more than sarcasism, which is usually a refuge when a compelling argument is lacking.</p>
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		By: cult of basebaal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[803] Yes, well, It&#039;s pretty clear that what *you* think &quot;common sense&quot; is, I think isn&#039;t anything close to &quot;common sense&quot; at all.

Again, this is no surprise, it&#039;s nothing new.

And, to belabor the point, it wasn&#039;t that the play was &quot;automatic&quot; it was that the odds of an out at home were far worse than the odds of Winn coming through with a hit ...  but  when you&#039;ve got a dead horse to flog, those sorta things don&#039;t matter, do they?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[803] Yes, well, It&#8217;s pretty clear that what *you* think &#8220;common sense&#8221; is, I think isn&#8217;t anything close to &#8220;common sense&#8221; at all.</p>
<p>Again, this is no surprise, it&#8217;s nothing new.</p>
<p>And, to belabor the point, it wasn&#8217;t that the play was &#8220;automatic&#8221; it was that the odds of an out at home were far worse than the odds of Winn coming through with a hit &#8230;  but  when you&#8217;ve got a dead horse to flog, those sorta things don&#8217;t matter, do they?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 04:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[805] Oliver Perez is probably available..]]></description>
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		By: Mattpat11		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 04:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[776] We really, really need two lefties.]]></description>
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		By: jjmerlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 04:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My inclination is to think baal is on the right track. 

Btw, was Tex&#039;s foot still on the bag? It sure as hell looked like it, but they never seemed to give us the perfect replay.

Because as a 1B myself, I sure thought he was still on. 

But the biggest sin is that Joba punked out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My inclination is to think baal is on the right track. </p>
<p>Btw, was Tex&#8217;s foot still on the bag? It sure as hell looked like it, but they never seemed to give us the perfect replay.</p>
<p>Because as a 1B myself, I sure thought he was still on. </p>
<p>But the biggest sin is that Joba punked out.</p>
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