Comments on: The Negative Zone

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:17:15 +0000

[15] Well, I did say explicitly that I exaggerated. My larger point, which I thought was clear for all, is that after 30 starts we shouldn’t expect more out of CC than we should from Phil. Yeah, it woulda been great if he went out and threw 7 innings of shut out or one run ball. But that’s pretty much not been CC this year.

Hughes’ average GSc is around 48, I think. HIs median is 52. But he has a few higher GSc than CC’s best in three fewer starts. So it looks like Phil’s best this year has been a little better than CC’s, but he’s had more atrocious starts. The biggest difference seems to be that Hughes gets pulled earlier when he stinks it up.

By: RIYank

RIYank — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:19:01 +0000

His best game scores this year are 69, 70, 72. So why do you say 54 is “his best”?
He’s been a little more consistent than Hughes, I think, but not a whole lot.

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:39:54 +0000

[14] Right: he has been consistently bad this season, whereas Hughes has been just about as bad though with more variation in the quality of his starts. (I’m exaggerating, but of course.) Interestingly, his GSc of 54 yesterday was his median score for the season. HIs average GSc this year is 50. So it was a very average start for the 2013 version of the team’s ace, if not better than average.

By: RIYank

RIYank — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:09:28 +0000

[9] I guess it seems odd to conclude that an *average* outing for CC is also “his best”. Isn’t that impossible? Unless they’re all just about the same.

By: Sliced Bread

Sliced Bread — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:31:29 +0000

At least Girardi is exhibiting some of the impotent rage the fans are experiencing this season. I would have liked to see him punch Buck in the face, just because.
I’m good with him coming back for three more years if he wants to.
I don’t expect them to be great years, mind you. The infield contracts have to play out, regardless of what happens with Cano.
I just think Girardi would be a good guy to have around during for the final Jeter years, and the start of the transition years.
He’s not perfect, but he’s smart, and edgy so I like him.
After the next few stormy years blow over, the Yanks can go get a mild-mannered guy to run the clubhouse.

By: Start Spreading the News

Start Spreading the News — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:13:00 +0000

[11] Unfortunately, I doubt that would cause the Yanks to lower ticket prices.

By: BobbyB

BobbyB — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:41:02 +0000

[10] Good point. Results will be the same, however. No playoffs on the horizon. In the 80’s the team actually had the best record for the decade but never finished in first place. Always the bridesmaid. I’m expecting fourth place or fifth for a while.

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:27:45 +0000

[8] We’re spending $189 million next year? Oy! Shades of the early 70’s.

Except in the early 1970s, the team was not spending $189 million, or its equivalent then. They only started spending money when George and free agency arrived in earnest, and then they started winning. I’m not sure there’s a good historical comparison to current team…maybe the mid- to late-1980s?

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:25:17 +0000

[7] So am I. I’m just saying that *this year* he has pitched only a smidge better than the guy who has been banished to bullpen and, next, from the organization. Yesterday’s effort *was* probably his best. Interesting trivia: of the top 12 pitching performances by a YAnkee this season using game scores, 7 belong to Kuroda, 2 for Nova, 1 for Pettitte, and 2 for Hughes…0 for CC. So one could argue that Hughes’ best this season has been better than CC’s (and of course Hughes’ worst has been worse), while CC has been simply, consistently bad.

Let’s hope it’s an off year. Otherwise add him to the pile with A-Rod and Teix.

By: BobbyB

BobbyB — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:23:07 +0000

I’ll give CC a one season pass, too. Unfortunately, we are seeing the end of the line. Mo is definitely leaving. No one should believe otherwise. Andy is leaving too, mutually. The captain looks like he’ll never be able to play on the ankle again. I don’t even expect him to even be a pinch hitter if he can’t run to first base. A-Rod will get a year suspension. Hughes and Joba are going to be gone. The fans hate them both and it would be ridiculous to keep either of them. Where does that leave us? We’re spending $189 million next year? Oy! Shades of the early 70’s.

By: Alex Belth

Alex Belth — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:50:47 +0000

6) I’m willing to allow Sabathia an off-season. Not ready to write him off yet.

By: monkeypants

monkeypants — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:22:32 +0000

[0] CC Sabathia gave a decent effort when nothing short of his best would do.

He certainly gutted through 7+ innings and 115 pitches, but at the end of the day his line was 7.1/4 R/3ER. The unearned run allowed him to drop his ERA from 4.86 to 4.82. Hmm…Phil Hughes’ ERA as a starter this season is 4.86. The peripherals are close, too.

The sad reality is that Sabathia has turned into a slightly more durable, but vastly more expensive Phil Hughes. If that’s the case, yesterday may have been pretty much his best.

By: Jon DeRosa

Jon DeRosa — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 03:53:18 +0000

[4] I understand you have to take the shots you get, but that’s a false equivalency. however, if you are a Sox fan whose dislike of the 2011 team sprang up simultaneously, but independently, to their losing streak, I hope the 2013 team is truly a swell bunch of beards who never cause you to hate them 🙂

By: muellerscrossing

muellerscrossing — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 03:42:06 +0000

I get it. And I didn’t mean to troll. It was just too good to pass up.

By: Jon DeRosa

Jon DeRosa — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 03:25:57 +0000

Also, “not coming back” as in, not coming back from the Negative Zone, the place in the pictures where the FF is always getting trapped.

By: Jon DeRosa

Jon DeRosa — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 03:20:35 +0000

[1] You have to care to be pessimistic. I’m not saying I don’t like them, I’m saying I don’t like their chances and feel depressed.

By: muellerscrossing

muellerscrossing — Tue, 10 Sep 2013 02:51:37 +0000

“And I’m not coming back. Not this year.”

With three weeks to go? My heart is breaking for you, man:

http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2011/09/29/splat-2/