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Joba Joba Hey!

Oh man, this should be a good one. The Yanks and Rays in second-half a rubber game that pits a pair of young live-armed hot-heads against each other in Matt Garza and Joba Chamberlain. Garza, 25, has his strikeout rate up to 8.1 K/9 this year and is coming off a complete game win over the Blue Jays in which he struck out nine. The rejobanated Chamberlain, 23, has allowed just two runs on five hits in his two second-half starts, posting a 1.34 ERA, 0.84 WHIP, and striking out 14 in 13 2/3 innings. I do worry that Joba’s been a bit hit-lucky in those two starts, but having watched them both, the stuff matched the results, with Joba getting his velocity and the sharp break on his slider back.

Standard lineups for both teams tonight, and still no position-player move for the Yankees who keep the extra man in the pen.

Meanwhile, deadline deals are starting to drop (Ryan Garko to San Francisco, Cliff Lee to Philadelphia, the Mariners living in a house with no mirrors). If he averages six innings per start, Joba will have just eight turns left, including tonight, before he hits 150 innings. Will the Yanks blink? Will the new old Joba pitch so well the Yanks can’t take him out of the rotation? These questions hang over Chamberlain’s head as he looks to give the Yankees a series win against a rival intra-division contender.

Things are getting good . . .

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1 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 6:49 pm

I'd love to see Chamberlain pitch tonight like he did against Beckett at the Fens last year. They sure could use that type of an effort against the Rays in their house to take this series...

2 a.O   ~  Jul 29, 2009 6:50 pm

Can someone please explain to me why we want this scrub Hirsch!? Seems like a trade that can only help Scranton's rotation -- If he's taking a turn in the rotation, we're in big trouble. How about an actual Major League-calibur starter instead?

3 a.O   ~  Jul 29, 2009 6:51 pm

Boy, that wasn't very well worded, but hopefully it makes sense.

4 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 6:58 pm

[2] He was acquired for a PTBNL...I'm not sure the deal amounts to anything at all.

5 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:00 pm

[1] It's an interesting conundrum. If the Yankees lose tonight, it's evidence that they cannot beat the Big Boys. But if they win, it is evidence that the Rays are not really one of the Big Boys.

6 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:00 pm

[2] With Kei Igawa "leading" SWB's rotation, I would argue that's exactly why that trade was made. I think he's taking Casey Fossum's place, who is now in the Cubs farm system...

Other teams want too much for their front line starters. I'd be shocked if the Yankees make a deal for Halladay.

: )

7 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:04 pm

[2] Indeed, with Hughes, Aceves, and Mitre in the majors and everyone else hurt, Scranton just needs a warm body that can throw five innings every five days. It's nothing ignore it.

8 a.O   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:04 pm

Washburn seems like the guy to get to me. He's almost equal on ERA to Doc but way less expensive. With his new pitch, I think he'll enjoy this success at least through the start of next year.

9 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:11 pm

Woohoo!

10 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:12 pm

That was Swisheresque.

11 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:12 pm

[8] The Mariners just traded four prospects to acquire players from Pittsburgh. I doubt they are "selling", so I would not expect them to trade their best pitcher.

12 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:13 pm

[10] Jeter's first "triple" of the year, no?

13 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:15 pm

Pittsburgh has traded nearly their entire opening day lineup. They are really blowing up the team. Probably a smart move at this point, even if it means they have no hope of contending until 2011 or 2012.

14 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:15 pm

screw the shift score trucking!!

15 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:16 pm

My Mariners' take is up on SI.com now per the updated link above (FWIW).

16 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:17 pm

That ended quickly.

17 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:18 pm

Mighty nice of the Score Truck to make an early appearance for the Yankees in Tampa this evening!

Boy do I hate cowbells! I always thought those were for rodeos!

: )

18 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:20 pm

[14] The score truck has automatic transmission?

19 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:21 pm

The Columbus Clippers used to be big on cowbells. They even have a song: "Columbus Clippers Ring Your Bell." Which is probably why Deion Sanders called it a cowtown, even though there aren't many cows there.

20 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:23 pm

: O @ Joba!

21 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:23 pm

joba honoring cmw that inning

22 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:23 pm

Why it took until July for Joba to stand on the rubber ready to go after every pitch I don't understand..

23 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:24 pm

[18] yeah - you've seen this team on the bases - manual transmission would be too complicated

24 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:25 pm

Yankees scouts are still in Cincinnati. Checking out Aaron Harang tonight.

25 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:26 pm

[24] Whew! I thought you were going to say Bronson Arroyo! I trust that Yankee Clipper has sailed...

: )

26 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:28 pm

[24] i like to think that the yankee scouts are trying to find the best chilli 3-way

27 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:28 pm

[25] They were there checking out Arroyo last night. I don't think the Yanks are interested unless the Reds eat a lot of his salary.

28 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:28 pm

[19] I used to live in Columbus...it's nickname was "Cowtown" long before the Clippers. I think the song (and cowbells) derived from the nickname, rather than the other way around.

In any case, I attended a lot of Clippers games--I think I still carry a good bit of "dime a dog nights" with me to this day--and I have to admit, I have a soft spot for the cow bells. I find them sort of charming and innocent...far less obnoxious than, say, a rally monkey!

29 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:29 pm
30 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:29 pm

[26] Or they are trying Paul O'Neill's recommendations for Cincy's best places to eat...

That's a long list!

: )

31 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:30 pm

Hmmm...don't look now but Brad Penny's start may have just driven up Halladay's price.

32 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:32 pm

[28] Why "Cowtown"? They never had much of a cattle industry, did they?

33 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:35 pm

[29] nice

[30] haha could be

damon with adventures at the trop or whatever the hell this place is called is fully understandable

34 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:36 pm

Wow!

35 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:37 pm

[32] I think it goes back to its early days as the state capital, when it really was just a small town that happened to be in the middle of the state (and maybe a weak pun on the name, which begins with "Co-"). The "big cities" of Cleveland and Cinci and Toledo looked down on Columbus as not a "real" city. There are still debates as to whether Columbus is the largest city in Ohio (it is if you count metro area rather than the metro center), and when I lived there local groups were always seeking a way to make Columbus a "world class city." Hence the experiments with women's BBall, NHL, MLS (get a "major pro sports team"). The state fair is still held in Columbus, which points to its more rural roots.

Those are my guesses.

36 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:37 pm

[28] i'm gald the cowbells aren't annoying as all hell to somebody

i'm just still shocked at zobrist's numbers. i'm very curious to see if he sustains them. if he does that is quite a weapon.

37 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:38 pm

joba looks good so far.

38 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:39 pm

Pittsburgh has decided to trade our AAAA team in for a AAA team. I've liked every deal but the McClouth one.

39 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:41 pm

[32] Oh yeah, Ohio State is a land grant school and has a big Ag School. The school has farms and maintains cattle, around which the city and its suburbs have grown.

40 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:42 pm

[35] Thanks. I was always curious. I used to listen to Clippers games on Gameday Audio, back when they were the Yankees' AAA team. They always played "Columbus Clippers Ring Your Bell" after every home run, and everyone rang their cowbells. I never could never figure out what cowbells had to do with Clipper ships.

41 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:42 pm

Thus begins the Jeter Cycle Watch?

42 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:42 pm

Hey, Jeter. Good on 'ya.

43 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:46 pm

[36] Cowbells don't really bother me at all, but then, I also don't have any problem with thunderstix.

44 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:47 pm

[31] too bad anal bladders is pitching for the a's

45 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:49 pm

That 3-2 curveball would be extra nasty in the 8th inning. : D

46 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:50 pm

Ugh, I hate thundersticks. Not only to they give me flashbacks to the 2005 ALDS, they block your view if you're in the stands.

47 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:50 pm

Fast Joba is sure a lot more fun to watch than interminable delay Joba ...

48 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:52 pm

nice catcht tex - wow

49 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:52 pm

wow.

WoW.

WOW.

50 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:54 pm

Wonderful defense all around.

51 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:54 pm

Great play by Cano!

52 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:54 pm

good tag robbie

53 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:55 pm

Good gloves this inning.

54 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:58 pm

Wheels Matsui!

55 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:58 pm

Must...... score.......both........

56 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:59 pm

[55] Funny, that's what Sterling just said!

57 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 7:59 pm

let's make this acceptable

58 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:01 pm

[57] Half-acceptable, so far.

59 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:02 pm

[56] Great minds. HA. : )

60 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:04 pm

[58] ah a half acceptable inning

61 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:09 pm

whoopsie!

62 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:09 pm

Cano remembers last night ...

63 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:10 pm

Kind of shady. Swisher, you are a joke in right.

64 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:10 pm

[63] did i miss something?

65 Albany-Carolina Yankee   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:11 pm

I kinda like Joba pitching with an attitude.

66 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:12 pm

[64] No, but Cano made sure Swisher missed that pop up!

: )

67 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:12 pm

[64] pop up to RF - Cano ran 70 feet and pushed over Swisher before making the catch.

68 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:12 pm

[64] Joba airmailed a first pitch fastball over Longoria's head. On the next pitch he pooped up to short righ. Cano made a tough over the shoulder catch. Swisher should have called him off undoubtedly.

69 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:13 pm

I'm kidding, of course.

70 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:14 pm

thanks everyone. I was only half watching so kind of missed that.

71 NickL   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:14 pm

hmmmmm, put Joba in another uniform and I'm guessing very few of us defend that pitch....

72 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:14 pm

[68] Popped. Pooped. Same thing.

73 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:15 pm

I believe we all can assume that both Robbie and Derek have been instructed to "catch everything they can get to" in the OF because of Swisher and Damon...

74 Albany-Carolina Yankee   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:19 pm

I'm surprised they didn't save that pitch for A-Rod.

75 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:20 pm

[71] I would! There is way too much "friendliness" among the MLBPA Members for my liking these days. I'm definitely "old school" in terms of making the hitters uncomfortable in the box whenever it is necessary, which is really more often than not.

76 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:23 pm

I can't help but thinking of Jafar from Aladdin whenever they show Garza. C'mon, Alex.

77 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:24 pm

lightning flashed outside my window just as alex fouled that pitch off - would have been really cool if it was a homer

78 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:24 pm

Bah!

79 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:24 pm

Bleh!

80 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:25 pm

damnit struck him out - let's hope that at least that really drained garza

81 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:25 pm

Ouch...A-Rod's foot slips off the clutch in the score truck.

82 Raf   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:27 pm

[71] I'd defend that pitch. I defended Garza's pitch to Teix the following inning as well. Pitch inside, sometimes people get hit.

83 NickL   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:29 pm

those pitches were both way up out of the strike zone, Raf--do you actually think they were attempts to throw high inside strikes? given the modern strike zone? really?

84 tommyl   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:30 pm

Hey Alex, I'm viewing the blog on Safari (Mac OS X) and the comment box extends past the border, to the point where I can't see some of what I'm typing. Any chance of getting that fixed?

85 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:32 pm

[84] I'm on OS X too and viewing the blog on Firefox. S'all good with that, so in the meantime, give it a shot!

86 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:32 pm

[84] I had the same problem, but I gave up and started using Firefox (which works better on a lot of sites, actually).

87 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:34 pm

Wow, the Pirates really are having a fire sale, though that is a term usually reserved for good teams getting rid of legitimate talent.

88 tommyl   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:35 pm

[85]-[86] Yeah, I know, but Safari works well for some other things and is a wee bit faster than the latest incarnation of Firefox. I have it, I just hate to have two browsers open...

89 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:35 pm

c'mon Joba, get it back together.

90 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:35 pm

[87] kind of more like a flea market or swap meet - maybe a yard sale

get back to throwing strikes joba!!

91 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:37 pm

there you go joba

92 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:37 pm

Navarro seems to come up with one big hit in every Yankee.series. Even though he kind of stinks. pffeewwwww

93 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:39 pm

how many pitches for Joba?

70?

94 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:40 pm

[93] nevermind, found it ... 70!

95 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:41 pm

I sure hope W.B. Mason gives the Yankees their Score Truck back for this frame...

96 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:42 pm

Oh, I almost forgot...

I was very happy to hear The Boss visit the team today!

The General still has great timing...

: )

97 Raf   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:42 pm

[83] Joba has no reason to throw @ Longoria. If he wanted to hit him, he would've. The next pitch in the sequence was low and away. Navarro set up inside on Teix when he was hit.

98 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:43 pm

Let's get ahead of ourselves--

lose game, Yankees lead, Joba with manageable pitch count. Would you try to squeeze, say, eight innings out of him. Or would you pull him early to "save" innings against his limit for the season? If the latter, then you have to be confident in the BP.

99 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:47 pm

Woohoo Robbie!

100 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:47 pm

[95] looks like robbie got it back just in time

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101 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:47 pm

I love me my Cano. Beee-you-tee-full. Awesome swing.

102 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:49 pm

Robbie Cano! Whaddayaknow!

103 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:51 pm

[98] The bullpen is fresh. I would argue it depends on how gassed Joba appears in the bottom of the sixth and seventh. Walking two batters in the fifth really wasn't a good sign. Remember in Andy's last start he had a low pitch count, too. Leaving him in didn't work out very well...

Girardi will err on the side of caution with Joba and not let him talk his way into remaining in the game should he appear tired.

104 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:51 pm

[98] welll everyone but aceves is available - so i would hope they have enough confidence in the pen.

according to cliff's write-up, if joba averages 6 innings per start he would have 8 starts left (so ~50 innings left)

if you pull him after 5 he would have 10 starts left (or more bp innings come playoff time)

how quickly do you pull him? is this going to over tax the pen knowing and and mitre follow him in the rotation?

105 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:53 pm

Thanks for giving our Yanks their Score Truck back, W.B.!

: )

106 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:54 pm

[104] I think the Yankees can take advantage of the 7 or 8 off days coming to skip Joba a couple or three times...that will by them around 15 or 20 innings. I also think they could be judicious in pulling him from games earlier rather than later, though it seems a shame with his pitch count soooo low so far.

I wonder if the count innings or pitches more heavily.

107 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:55 pm

The only way I can see maximizing Phil and Joba is to swap them when Joba has 15-20 IP left on his count. Then Joba's in the BP for Sept. and beyond. Cashman MUST be working on some pitching. We are too tight now and won't survive another pitching injury.

108 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:55 pm

[98] that's an interesting point. And makes me wonder: Say you save Joba 6 innings over 6 or 7 games. In other words, he's good to go another inning after the 6th or 7th, but you intentionally yank him thinking you can "add-up" another start for him. And then after you do that 6 or 7 times, he has another start in him. Would you think that is that more or less beneficial to him and his endurance? Pitcher would be more susceptible to injury when fatigued, no?

109 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:58 pm

Hey all.
I guess Joba is dealing, huh? I only saw that last inning. (I did hear John Sterling for the second run of the game.)

110 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:58 pm

[107] I really don't see the *need* to swap Joba into the pen, if they are clever with how they use him over the last couple of months.

No matter what they do, it will be difficult to manage innings if they go deep into the playoffs. I would like to think that there is at least some buffer in that circumstance--perhaps secretly Joba can be pushed to 160 if they need him in the P.O.

111 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:59 pm

[108] yeah i thought about that too - but if he definitely isn't going to be a starter come playoff time it wouldn't matter as much - now if they somehow hope to keep him in the playoff rotation it is an issue

[106] i would have to check - but i don't believe they have skipped him to date

112 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 8:59 pm

[108] Good question.
You're right about being more susceptible when more fatigued. On the other hand, in general it must be less stressful to bunch your innings together in fewer, longer appearances -- that's why relievers don't throw as many innings as starters.

113 NickL   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:00 pm

Nick Swisher is all about your entertainment dollar....

114 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:00 pm

The A's looking to do the impossible and take 2 of 3 at Fenway. 6-3 A's after 5 1/2.

115 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:01 pm

[109] hi riyank - yes job dealing tonight - efficient, good stuff, good mix of pitches, and rapid pace

116 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:01 pm

I believe Jobe is now in Longroria's head, whatever his intent was with that earlier pitch to the backstop : O

117 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:01 pm

[110] The swap also insures Phil gets his innings and stretches him out to start in the PS or go long relief.

118 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:02 pm

[115] [116] Job and Jobe.
He's got you guys pretty excited!

119 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:03 pm

[109] Hey RIY! Yes, this is "Second Half Joba" tonight. He looks great!

Allowing three earned runs or less in 27 out of his first 31 starts is really excellent!

: )

120 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:04 pm

[108] Yeah, the kicker today is that he has not thrown that many pitches. My gut instinct is that pitchers are not allowed to throw enough pitches these days, and this has hurt their endurance. I am not talking about 150 per start, but I suspect that the magic number could be closer to 110 without causing any damage. I'm also not entirely convinced about the need for such strict limits in the number of innings, though it makes sense that it is dangerous to go suddenly from 100 INN to 250.

I don't really have an answer, other than I am surprised they have not simply skipped him now and again. Maybe that would have been easier if they didn't have to throw away half a dozen games on Wang. Indeed, if Wang had been Wang, then the the #5 spot would have been much easier to deal with.

121 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:04 pm

[118] : D He's been pretty damn good.

122 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:05 pm

[117] Well, there is a far more productive way to stretch out Hughes and build up his innings, that doesn't even involve swapping him with Joba.

123 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:06 pm

According to Girardi in his last show, Joba is going according to their plan for him...

124 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:07 pm

8-3 A's at the Fens. The Sox are bound to make it close in the end.

125 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:07 pm

[114] check again..it will make you smile.

126 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:08 pm

It's also quite possible that Buehrle's perfect game showed the rest of the AL to work quickly against the Rays.

I'm just sayin'...

127 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:09 pm

[123] I don't believe that for a moment, unless their plan included having him pitch extremely inefficiently for the first half of the season. Unless, Girardi is cleverer than us all, instructing Joba to throw 100 pitches in four innings so that he wouldn't use up his limit.

Let's just say that when Girardi says something, I'm skeptical.

129 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:10 pm

[120] Right. Obviously, a 110-pitch 4.3 in massacre hurts just as much as 110 pitches over a manageable 7 innings. Prolly a LOT more, actually, cause he'll likely be overthrowing and "trying" harder.

I can't imagine letting him miss starts here and there can be beneficial to him psychologically, either. And also, won't that jack up the days rest for the other starters?

130 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:11 pm

[120] well nolan, i too am surprised they never skipped him before - but also think it has something to do with the uncertainty with wang to start the year.

131 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:11 pm

Halliday has a career ERA of 3.45
Joba has a career ERA as a Starter of 3.43

Yes, Joba's numbers reflect less then 1 year of starts. But he is almost free and might have 8 prime years ahead of him, a number of them cost controlled.

Yet people want to trade him, AND Montero, AND another quality prospect for $13m of Halliday? I don't get it.

132 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:12 pm

Am I correct that if the Red Sox lose two out of three to the A's, they are disqualified from the pennant race? I'm extrapolating from some general principles gleaned from May and June Banter comments.

133 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:13 pm

[129] not if you skip him on off days - and i think if you let him know ahead of time we are skipping you because we need to limit your innings he would be okay psychologically - would have to just ensure the extra rest didn't mess up his rythym, routine

134 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:13 pm

[129] But it used to be standard operating procedure to skip starters now and again especially the #5 starter, and use off days to keep the rotation on their normal schedule.

135 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:14 pm

Is the definition of full circle everyone and their grandmother, including Mike Francesca howling at the moon that Joba needs to STAY in the rotation? Give that Swish a gold glove.

136 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:14 pm

Wow, this is good.
There are many ways to enjoy a Yankee game. This one involves only brief Score Truck appearances.

137 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:14 pm

I let Joba pitch into the eighth and remove him if someone reaches...

Hughes then Mo if there isn't any additional scoring, Hughes/Bruney if there is.

138 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:14 pm

[135] as mk might say - kind of ironic

139 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:15 pm

[132] No, but only because the Sox have such a good record against first place teams in the Al East.

140 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:15 pm

[114] Makes me think fondly of those 5 sweet games the Yanks played up in Boston back in August of 2006. Ahhhhhhhhhh..... sweeet euphoria. :)

141 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:15 pm

[127] I doubt the plan is that detailed that it addresses efficiency v inefficiency. It probably focuses on IP and pitches and monitoring his arm strength and such. Efficiency doesn't matter within that context since efficient or not he'll throw 90-110 pitches most times out.

142 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:16 pm

Boston can't beat the Little Boys. : )

143 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:17 pm

[134] Except he isn't the 5th starter. Yet. Let's see what B Cash does, uhhh, tomorrow.

144 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:17 pm

[135] [138] And he would be using the word "ironic" correctly in this case! We must remember, however, that Yankees have found the REAL solution to the eighth inning, and that liberates them to leave Joba in the rotation.

And that's all I will say, lest my ration of comments on this topic exceed 10%, the articulated annoyance limit.

145 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:17 pm

[139] It's more complicated than I thought.

146 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:18 pm

the rays have traded for tlr

147 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:18 pm

From PeteAbe (old news):
UPDATE, 5:38 p.m.: Don’t expect to see Damaso Marte any time soon, if at all. He was topping out at 88 last night and gave up two jacks.

With Chicago starting three LHPs in the next series, Joe Girardi hinted they could want a right-handed bat for the roster. Shelley Duncan?

UPDATE, 5:46 p.m.: Brett Tomko was released.

UPDATE, 6:45 p.m.: A few other tidbits: No update on how Wang’s surgery went. Getting updated medical news from the Yankees is, as always, a challenge. … Alfredo Aceves threw 20 pitches off the bullpen mound and felt good. He’s not available tonight but could be tomorrow.

Marte looks to be a waste of money. Tough break for all.

148 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:18 pm

[143] He started the season as the 5th starter, but has moved up because of the ineffectiveness of Pettitte and the injury to Wang. The point is that it is easy enough to skip any starter so long as you have off days, and I would like to think that Joba would understand why his turn might be passed a couple of times...especially if (the big IF) the team opens up a nice lead.

149 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:20 pm

Damn, I was actually thinking Marte would show up and solidify the bullpen, phreeing Phil.

150 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:20 pm

[147] marte for 3 years whne he had several other better options with marte was one of cashman's dumber decisions

151 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:20 pm

[141] Good point about pitch counts...that's why I wonder if the organization monitors both total pitches and total innings, and allows some flexibility. It would *seem* that total pitches is more important than total innings, but maybe I'm wrong.

152 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:21 pm

[147] i'm a bit surprised at exactly how bad Marte has been. I didn't expect him to be a top arm in the pen, but he has reached a level of awful that doesn't compute for me.

153 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:21 pm

[147] Poor Wang..tears flowing in Taipei today, apparently

154 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:22 pm

Joba giving up 2 ERs in his last 20+ IP.

155 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:22 pm

Hellz yeah.
Now Mo can rest more.

156 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:22 pm

[151] I agree about pitches. I know folks like to talk IP but it would seem to me that pitches is more important. 5 innings at 50 pitches or 4 innings at 80 pitches. Which causes more wear and tear?

157 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:22 pm

Damn, Boston is scuffling these days. Hopefully the Yankees can hang on tonight and then put some distance between themselves and the competition...before the next NY-BOS series.

158 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:22 pm

Yay Po and the Score Truck's late return!

I'd go Joba/Hughes/Bruney for the series victory.

159 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:23 pm

[155] And on the seventh day, Mo rested?

160 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:24 pm

Jorge with a little icing on the cake.
Sox down 8-3 after 6, piling up 4 hits.

161 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:24 pm

[156] yeah i have often thought that too seamus - especially when you are talking about young pitchers within 1 season

162 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:27 pm

[159] You're thinking of Torre and Proctor.

163 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:28 pm

well so much for limiting his innings this game

164 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:28 pm

One pitch outs, Joba could finish the game.

165 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:28 pm

88 pitches coming into the 8th. 89 pitches and it's 8.1 in the books. hehe

166 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:29 pm

haha. espn announcer "I've been told that Hughes is going to be in the rotation when next year rolls around." He said it like it was some big secret. Too funny.

167 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:30 pm

[166] Who are the espn announcers?

168 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:31 pm

[167] sutcliffe and o'brien

169 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:31 pm

[167] twiddle dee and twiddle dum. i'm not sure.

170 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:31 pm

riyank is rsn panicking?

171 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:31 pm

[168] ah yes NYYfan22 has it. thanks

172 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:33 pm

[170] Dammit, they really aren't.
If they don't get Halladay and lose more ground, that should push them over the edge. They think they're getting Halladay.

173 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:33 pm

Let's see him do it against the Big Boys. Let's see him do it against the Big Boys. Oh, wait. : D

174 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:33 pm

Oh, okay. Sutcliffe isn't bad, right?

175 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:33 pm

8.0 inn 3 0 0 2 5 over 101 pitches. That's pretty damn good.

Qualiteeeeeeee

176 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:34 pm

Wow! What a gem!

: )

177 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:35 pm

[174] oh, they aren't terrible per se. But he says some stupid things.

178 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:35 pm

[174] Sutcliffe is horrible!

179 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:35 pm

[174] I don't mind them. Sutcliffe sounds just like Bob Costas. It's kinda weird. But a break from Michael Kay is nice every once in awhile. Actually, he's been off a lot this season, hasn't he?

180 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:35 pm

He really wasn't throwing all that hard, was he?

181 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:36 pm

well i say that was quite an acceptable night for one joba chamberlain

182 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:36 pm

[179] Yes, those were good days. Cone and Singleton, they were good.

183 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:36 pm

melky!!

184 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:36 pm

Woohoo Melky!

185 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:36 pm

Goddamn. That was a rope.

186 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:37 pm

[172] too bad. rsn panic is a euphoria like no other.
yeah hopefully after the trade deadline and no halladay pushes them over the edge.

187 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:37 pm

ok. Sutcliffe is praising the Yankees superiority. So he is awesome. :)

188 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:40 pm

Woohoo Tex!

189 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:40 pm

TEX!!!

190 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:40 pm

[182] yeah where the hell is coney? i love the coney and singleton booth.

for the white sox we are getting lama hickey and real tile (who is good but he lacks the craziness of coney)

and i am quite sure no one will look to the white sox booth for a break

191 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:40 pm

Jeter looked kind of bored. haha

192 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:40 pm

Think Teix likes being a Yankee?

193 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:40 pm

Dope. This game has been a real joy to watch.

194 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:41 pm

[190] As long as Flash stays the Hell out of the booth, I'm a happy guy!

: )

195 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:41 pm

[190] You can right on the blog............YES! (in my best Hawk impression) : )

196 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:42 pm

[190] Any exposure to the white sox feed would send my crying and screaming for Lama Hickey.

197 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:44 pm

Yes, [190] [196], Hawk makes my gums bleed.

198 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:44 pm

[194] we can't even afford to have flash's name mentioned

[195] that's a can of corn right there!

199 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:44 pm

It'll be Bruney.

200 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:45 pm

[196] You Gone!

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201 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:45 pm

Greetings from Atlanta!!!

looks like i've missed a doozie. wish i watched the whole game - on tv and with youze guys...

202 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:46 pm

i think i'd rather a leadoff walk... : /

203 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:46 pm

[200] BOO!!!

204 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:47 pm

Bruney doesn't look sharp.

205 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:47 pm

See that overhead shot? Carl made that diamond look like a circle.

206 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:47 pm

c'mon bruney end this mf

and joey joe joe do not have mo get up that is ridiculous

207 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:48 pm

Man. Poor BB.

208 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:48 pm

shit. that was an easy call. why is Mo warming, though. ah, crap.

209 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:49 pm

this should have been bruney proof.

210 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:49 pm

well maybe bruney is still not right after all - damn

211 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:51 pm

Jason Hirsh had a 6.66 ERA in AAA. me (Satan) likey!!! muwahahaha!!! ; )

212 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:51 pm

jeesh. i know i wanted to see this game and all, but i'm ready to see it end...NOW!!!

213 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:52 pm

Mo in for his 30th save...

214 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:52 pm

Swisher almost broke his leg (and Melky's arm) on that play. grrrrrrr

215 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:52 pm

[211] 1... 2... 3... 4... 5... 6... 6... 6...

216 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:52 pm

for chrissakes

and swisher tried his damndest to mess up melky there - didn't quite manage to though

217 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:52 pm

Now I'm pissed.
Someone other than Mo could have handled this. it's not even an S.

218 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:53 pm

[217] it is a save situation.

219 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:53 pm

UPDATE, 5:46 p.m.: Brett Tomko was released.

yay!!!!: )

i'm sure this has already been touched upon earlier in the thread. i'm just catching up. on that, and talking to myself, apparently. Chyll - you around to cover my back or at least provide some crickets?! ; )

[205] GREAT line about the diamond/circle. very poetic! : )

220 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:54 pm

[218] or not. I thought it was.

221 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:54 pm

i almost forgot, mk will be eating a condiment tonight

222 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:54 pm

[218] actually, they just said it isn't. maybe Melancon shoulda started the inning. but i guess he pitched yesterday...

hey, least i get to see Mo for 2 outs! : )

223 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:54 pm

[218] only a save situation if on more man gets on, no? tying run on deck?

224 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:55 pm

Jeez.
Watching Bruney miss the zone and then serve up BP. And then this.

Man.

225 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:55 pm

[222] [223] yeah I was wrong. doh!

226 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:55 pm

[215] Paul Gilbert wrote that song (I Am Satan) about his ex-wife!!! : )

227 Albany-Carolina Yankee   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:55 pm

That's how it's done.

228 randym77   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:55 pm

I guess there's no such thing as Bruney-proof.

229 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:56 pm

No, it's a S situation if the tying run is on deck, or else the lead is fewer than 4.

It's a stupid rule for a stupid stat, so there's no particular reason to know it. I just do.

230 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:56 pm

girradi cannot manage like a tight ass the rest of this season

231 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:56 pm

[226] I've never heard it but I remember you discussing the count off.

232 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:57 pm

Well, that was weird.

233 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:57 pm

maybe mo is trying to turn this into a save situation

234 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:57 pm

After that double I have no issue with using Mo. This is an important game against a division rival.

235 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:57 pm

weird. 4 pitch walk. huh. Mo's got a lot of movement today. i'm not worried though. in the slightest...

boston did score a run. 8-5 in the 8th. 1 on, 1 out...

236 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 9:59 pm

Mo gave up a BB??

237 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm

Kill, please.

238 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm

nicely done mo

239 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm

Thank you.
Thanks be to Mo.

240 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm

man that was ball 4. phew! Mo!!!

241 PJ   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm

Joba Chamberlain
Is a Haiku by himself!
There, I just showed you!

Great series win against the Rays in their house!

Have a good evening everyone!

: )

242 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm

hell muthafukin' YEAH!!!

243 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm

BOO-Yah! Buh-Bye Tampa!

244 Albany-Carolina Yankee   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:00 pm

That was not as relaxing as I would of liked.

245 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:01 pm

great to take 2/3 here
now for the sox to lose

i'm glad ozzie got a hold of colon - i am quite looking forward to andy/colon tomorrow night

246 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:02 pm

Papi pinch hitting with two on and two out in the eighth, 8-5. Excitement!

247 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:02 pm

[245] Colon is back on the DL. inflammation - either shoulder or knee - whichever it wasn't last time...

248 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:02 pm

[245] It would be nice to go up 3.5 on boston and 7.5 on tampa. so nice!

249 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:02 pm

Big PooPoo with 2 men on..chance to tie it with a dinger off of Breslow...

250 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:03 pm

Michel Hernandez - the Rays backup catcher - i have one of his Yankee minor league baseball cards. [246] talk about excitement! ; )

251 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:04 pm

[247] Colon inflammation, that's painful.

252 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:05 pm

[247] damnit - i was finding that matchup quite amusing - now we get burhle sun with everyone else moving up from the sidebar

253 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:06 pm

Down goes Papi!

254 seamus   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:06 pm

papi is out. 8-5 going to the 9th.

255 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:06 pm

Papi made an out - inning ovah!!!

256 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:07 pm

He really earned his Big Pop-up nickname on that one.

257 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:08 pm

Jetes on base 2 more times tonight! 400 OBP

258 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:09 pm

i think the best part of today's win is the fact that we now have Jason Hirsh in our system. i'm serious. he's the KEY!!! not jimmy key, mind you... ; )

259 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:11 pm

Things are going so well in Yankeeland that the only negative thing I see is the Red Sox are playing and pitching so poorly, it might force them to up the ante for Halladay.

In many ways, this feels like the deadline in 1998...the Yankees had a great team, but Randy Johnson was looming. Like then, the question was should the Yankees trade for the major's best pitcher? And, if they didn't, would it allow someone to derail their season? As it turned out, RJ went to the Astros and wasn't really heard from in the post season. I am hoping another "mystery" team snatches Halladay. While I definitely don't want to give up Hughes, Joba or Montero (he could be the Yankees Sandoval), it would be scary if Boston picked him up (even if it compromised their long-term strength).

260 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:11 pm

best part about getting Halladay on our team would be he'd have to shave that hideous beard of his. i've always hated that thing!!!

261 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:15 pm

I'm with m'pants on this one: Halladay stays with the Jays.

Think about it: Theo does not make decisions based on four games his team plays badly.

262 ms october   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:15 pm

[258] thelarmis - you mean huntsville's jimmy key

[259] hmm maybe the astros come through again :}

263 Rich   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:17 pm

We really can't trade Hughes, Montero, or Joba.

264 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:18 pm

[262] i didn't realize he was from there. a music friend of mine here, is from there. he is ridiculously brilliant! i played there a coupla times, but don't really like it (i'm sorry!!!).

a pal of mine lives in Mobile - home of Jon Lieber.

265 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:19 pm

3 outs to go at the Fens. GO A's!!!

266 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:19 pm

goddamn. Just saw this on the ESPN: Chamberlain is 3-0 with an .083 era in his last 3 starts.

267 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:20 pm

[266] they canNOT trade him

268 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:20 pm

fuck - leadoff man on...

269 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:21 pm

[266] i'm watching! manny's hair is almost as long as mine...

270 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:22 pm

Andrew Bailey may have used up his 9 lives last night.

271 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:22 pm

jesus christ. first TWO men on. ugliest man on earth up. PLEASE get outta this...

272 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:22 pm

Dusty. Crud.

Now Youk is going to have a chance to tie it. If they get Youk, I'm comfortable.

273 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:24 pm

youKalis

I really wouldn't mind it if Dusty Pedroia was slightly run over by the WB Mason truck tonight.

274 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:24 pm

[272] got him. no advance. i'd love a DP here...

275 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:24 pm

Beauty!
Bailey's good. I bet with Pedroia and Ellsbury he was thinking, "I *cannot* walk these little dinks."

276 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:24 pm

Pukealis caught looking. That's a shame.

277 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:25 pm

[273] Hear hear.
On the Li'l Dusty thing, I mean.

278 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:25 pm

anyone see NoMaas most recent photo? who is the guy on the right?

279 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:26 pm

[278] Theo Epstein.

280 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:26 pm

Oh, nice. One K of each variety.

281 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:27 pm

2 down.

282 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:28 pm

Awful 0-2 pitch by Bailey!

283 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:28 pm

crap. 8-6.

284 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:28 pm

[279] oh, of course! but..i don't get the joke there...

damn, Lowell comes thorugh..

hope JD will whiff!

285 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:28 pm

Hm, well, that sucked. On an 0-2 pitch.

But he'll get LaRoche. Not worried.

286 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:29 pm

[272] Still feeling comfortable?

287 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:29 pm

Oh, Drew, not LaRoche. Better yet!

288 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:29 pm

A hanging slider after 2 97mph heaters on the black is indeed terrible.

289 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:30 pm

WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED SOX LOSE!

290 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:30 pm

woohoo! 3.5 games up!

291 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:30 pm

[286] Yes, thanks!

JD Drew is very bad recently. Very, very bad.

292 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:30 pm

[284] They tend to pick on the Sox for having too many white guys on their roster. Hence the race relations headline.

293 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:31 pm

Shit Sox LOSE!!!! : )

294 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:31 pm

William.... how about a post mortum on the Sox losing 2 of 3 AT HOME to the A's?

295 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:32 pm

[292] Ah! of course..excellent.

3.5 games up!!!

296 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:32 pm

Okay, I think this will push RSN to the brink of hysterical panic. I'd say we now need (1) the trading deadline to pass, and (2) to pick up another game on them. That should do it.

Of course, taking them to the woodshed when they come to town will also push the button.

297 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:33 pm

[292] It's not even too many white guys so much as no black guys.
I think.

298 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:33 pm

Wow... Seattle 5 games over .500 with a -43 run differential.

299 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:34 pm

[297] Sox really need to get some green guys.

300 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:34 pm

[294] I don't do post mortems on the Red Sox...I am a Yankee fan.

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301 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:35 pm

[292] It is amazing that every time the Sox make a move, it seems to be a non-white going and a white guy coming. If Boston didn't already have its reputation, it would be very funny.

302 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:36 pm

[300] C'mon, indulge us! Summon your inner Sox apologetic? Channel Gammons? :)

303 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:36 pm

[301] Well, if you count Japanese players as white. Which is a slightly weird thing to do.

304 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:37 pm

"I am a Yankee fan."

i love that!

me too!!! : )

305 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:37 pm

Like Joba, Kershaw is pounding his chest tonight demanding not to be traded.

306 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:40 pm

[302] Going into this season, I really expected the Yankees to win 100 games and win the division with comfort. For most of this season, I thought Boston was playing beyond its talent, while the Yankees were playing below it. Finally, it looks like the cream is rising. Having said that, the Yankees still have to actually beat the Red Sox and maintain their performance down the stretch. It's still early, so I hope my initial read is correct. Of course, if the Sox get Halladay, that changes things too.

307 RIYank   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:40 pm

So, the Yanks have now won 23 series this season. Last year they won a total of 24.
We've pretty nearly buried the Rays -- their chance of overtaking us is now just a few percent, I'd say.
And the Sox are struggling, and dealing with the Dice-K embarrassment.

Cruising now!

See youse tomorrow.

308 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:40 pm

Joba looks great in his suit.

309 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:42 pm

[307] The Rays should be going after Halladay. They really need the extra arm. If they picked him up, I think they'd be a good bet to overtake Boston and really make a run at the Yankees. Regardless, I don't think they are dead yet.

310 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:43 pm

Great play by Furcal against Pujols leading off the 9th in a 1-0 game. Alot of fun games are being played tonight.

311 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:45 pm

Kotsay lines out with the go ahead run in scoring position. Twins win 3-2 and leap right back into the race.

312 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:49 pm

[311] i hope we take 3 of 4 against the now .500 Pale Hose.

313 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:49 pm

The Yanks would have to go 38 and 23 from here on out to hit 100 games. FWIW.

314 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:50 pm

[313] I meant to get 100 wins. Whoops.

315 thelarmis   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:51 pm

broxton blows the save. 1-1 bottom 9. if LA loses, we're tied for best record in MLB.

316 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:51 pm

[309] Do the Rays have the prospects to get Doc? they can't afford an extension at his price I think..

317 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:55 pm

I missed the very end of the game. From the box score, it looks like maybe Bruney should be the one shipped down to AAA?

Was it really necessary to get mo in the game?

318 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 10:57 pm

[297] et al. I find the fascination with the race of the players on the Sox' roster a bit weird. I mean, who really cares?

319 Just Fair   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:00 pm

[318] NoMaas. I was trying to help Mr. OkJazz with one of their inside jokes. That brought it about.

320 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:03 pm

[317] I think it may have been a knee jerk move bringing Mo in. Teix hit an insurance HR in the 9th, and Joe went with Bruney despite having Hughes warming up (according to ESPN announcers). Bruney gave up 2 runs on 3 x-bass hits. Girardi, I think, just panicked a lil.

So, no, I don't think Mo was necessary, but Bruney wasn't lookin good.

321 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:03 pm

[319] Ah, ok, I see.

322 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:04 pm

[320] uhhh, that'd be x-base hits. Idiot bass player, I am.

323 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:04 pm

[320] How many more chances for Bruney? Maybe they can get LaTroy Hawkins back? :)

324 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:04 pm

[316] They still have some prospects, including guys like Nieman and even Price pitching in the majors. I am also not sure they need an extension. Sad as it may be to say, the Rays may not have much of a window with this team anyway. Crawford, Pena and Bartlett can go free after 2010 with Upton, Zobrist and Garza potential free agents after 2011. It will take alot of money to sign all those guys, so maybe it makes sense to take their best shot in 2009-10?

325 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:04 pm

Hey, I get some extra baseball tonight--the end of the Dodgers-Cards game is on.

326 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:06 pm

[323] If Bruney has options, I would send him to AAA. It's clear that he is not right, so let him work it out in MiL rather than clutter up the roster.

327 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:06 pm

[312] I was really sad to see Colon go on the DL and Contreras move up to today's game. It would have been nice to face either. Now, the Yankees get the Sox three best and Clayton Richard, a pitcher that I think could give the Yanks a little bit of trouble. These should be good games against Chicago, especially the Sabathia/Buerhle matchup on Sunday.

328 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:07 pm

[318] I think what makes it register is Boston reputation as a "racist city", something that was most recently echoed by Tori Hunter a few years ago.

329 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:10 pm

plaxico burress' tie = david eckstein's inseam. Just throwing that out there.

330 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:11 pm

[318] Torii Hunter said that?? Wow..I thought that was all ancient history in Boston..good luck with the Rasheed Wallace experiment, Celtics! (though am sure KG and the guys will keep him cool.)

331 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:11 pm

[328] I guess I'm turned off in general by emphasis on race. I really don;t care what color a player is, or whether Ortiz should "count" as black, or Jeter should "count" as black (or "half black"). I'm pretty certain that Theo Epstein is not racist--or, at least that is the impression I get--so I'm not concerned that he's shipping out darkies to purify his team.

332 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:15 pm

[331] Well..as recent events at Harvard show, whatever your ethnicity, there's still a lot to discuss regarding racial issues in the US..sports world included! Just look at how Milton Bradley is covered in the media compared to our beloved Paul O'neil..does make you wonder...

333 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:15 pm

I agree with whoever posted here a few days ago: if you make a movie called Funny People, which is supposed to be a comedy, the clips you show in ads ought to be funny.

334 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:16 pm

[331] I agree with you in theory, but like it or not, race is and has always been a factor. Sports are often the most color blind of our institutions, but even my radar goes on alert when guys like Robbie Cano are criticized and guys like Pedroia are lauded. Specifically about Boston, while I don't think Theo is a racist, I do wonder why guys like Manny no longer fit the Boston culture, while "gamers" like Youkilis and Pedroia do.

335 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:19 pm

[332] What's to discuss, at least in this case? I don't see how making what seem to be baseless allegations and innuendos about the Boston F.O. is funny, relevant, or instructive. Moreover, I contend that to focus on race only serves to reinforce it as a category, which we should be working AGAINST...in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm done with this topic for the evening, cuz' it will probably get too heated and unpleasant, and I would rather debate the bull pen or whom to call up to replace Gardner.

336 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:20 pm

[334] Totally agree! Look at the steroids coverage too..Bonds and Manny are villians..Pettite a good "god fearing man" and McGwire "seems so remorseful" and was a great teammater..etc etc..seems pretty obvious to me..

337 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:27 pm

[335] Again, I agree with your principle, but sadly the history of mankind suggests that we often find reasons to categorize ourselves. Instead of trying to be "colorblind", I think it makes more sense to acknowledge our differences, realize that even the best of us will be prone to bias at times, but be vigilant in trying to overcome those feelings.

This is definitely not a topic for this forum, so I'll join you in dropping it at this point.

338 Rich   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:32 pm

[335] ...I would rather debate the bullpen or whom to call up to replace Gardner.

Hughes = starter
Melancon = Hughes's replacement
AJack = Gardner's replacement

I think the Yankees are making this way too hard.

339 monkeypants   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:38 pm

[338] I agree on the first two, but I am hesitant to call up AJax unless he is to get regular ABs.

340 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:47 pm

[338] That may be a little too simple. Instead, I would definitely bring AJax up and give Bruney's role to Melancon (righty used when Hughes and Aceves are not available). If Melancon had success, I would gradually transition Hughes to enter the rotation by September 1. In the meantime, I would also skip Joba at least two times (unless the Yankees start to struggle). If he pitched 4 times in August and recorded 25 innings, that would put him at 135 for the season. Then, your option would be to move Joba back to the pen, or even have him and Mitre split the 5th slot. If Joba got three September starts, that would leave him aroud his 150 innings limit. Then, you'd have Hughes and Joba in the mix for the post season.

341 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 29, 2009 11:51 pm

[340] nothing to say but..these are all happy problems to have! up by 3.5 with the league's best offense..if CC has a dominant 2nd half then we're good to go methinks.

342 monkeypants   ~  Jul 30, 2009 12:07 am

Cardinals runner just got called out on a an appeal play in the 12th inning--he missed 1B on a double in the corner, they threw over to first and the ump called him out.

I've never seen that before!

343 Rich   ~  Jul 30, 2009 12:15 am

[341] I think CC is showing signs of fatigue (e.g., not finishing off his pitches) and that ideally, he needs to skip starts as much as Joba does.

344 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 30, 2009 2:02 am

Oooh, Melky! (Watching the recast!)

He turned on that fast. Thing jumped off his bat.

345 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 30, 2009 2:05 am

Fuck, Teix is *strong*.

Some easy shot to dead center. A fly ball, really, that just kept going.

Damn.

346 Eddie Lee Whitson KO   ~  Jul 30, 2009 2:14 am

[343] you meant skip meals, right? :)

good piece at http://www.nomaas.org on decline in CC's slider

347 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 30, 2009 2:17 am

Man, did Bruney get smacked around.

348 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 30, 2009 2:20 am

Mariano Rivera, ladies and gentlemen.

Comes in and strikes the dude out on three pitches. Three sick pitches.

349 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 30, 2009 9:09 am

[348] Then he walked the guy on 4 straight balls. (maybe he read my comment that said if another runner gets on then it'd be a save situation... or he was looking for that inside strike)

Rollin now boys n gals

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