"A New York Treasure" --Village Voice

’80 . . . ’08

The Tampa Bay Rays have been the story of the 2008 baseball season, but they’re about to get pushed off the front (and back) page. The Rays’ worst-to-first journey has been exciting, but the team has only been around since 1998, and Tampa Bay has already won a Super Bowl and a Stanley Cup this decade. Philadelphia, on the other hand, hasn’t won a professional team sports championship since the USFL’s Philadelphia Stars won that league’s title in 1984, and hasn’t won in one of the four major leagues (the NLF, NHL, NBA, or MLB) since the 76ers’ 1983 NBA championship. The Phillies themselves have won just once in their 125-year history, that coming more than a quarter century ago when Tug McGraw (pictured above), Mike Schmidt, and Steve Carlton led the Phils to their first-ever title in 1980. With Cole Hamels on the mound tonight, all of that is about to change. My Game 5 preview is up on SI.com.

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1 zack   ~  Oct 27, 2008 5:50 pm

Let's see if my prediction of Phillies in 5 holds up! Haven't been around all that much, but perhaps the new Banter can lure me back in :)

2 Mattpat11   ~  Oct 27, 2008 6:13 pm

Still holding out hope.

3 JL25and3   ~  Oct 27, 2008 7:59 pm

Hey, Zack, long time no see.

4 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:42 pm

hey zack: a-wella, wella, wella, wella, welcome back! you still in san diego or san fran or san something-or-other?

wow, i even caught the 1st pitch! early gigs are good...

ooh, crawford made a big no-no -- he stopped coming outta the box and then rollins dropped the ball. it cost the rays a leadoff man on...

kaz goes 3 balls on rollins, walks werth, hits utley. here's the awakned Rhino Howard...

wazzup, y'all?

5 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:42 pm

Hey, the blogger formerly known as Jeb here; I always wanted to be a bit more anonymous. I hope this SNY thing works out because I told Steve Lombardi that my password always seemed to get deleted and I finally got frustrated and quit posting at Was Watching.

Technical issue for the bosses -- am I going to have to type my name and email every single time I post (even after logging in)? That would make me a little less likely to be a regular. Sorry but I'm a bit techno-challenged (Creative DVD's notwithstanding, Alex!)

And another question: At the Toaster, we were allowed to cuss (which I particularly did when we'd blow a game in late innings). What's the landscape here on that issue? Will the same rules (which I liked) at the Toaster apply here?

6 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:44 pm

my bad - crawford wouldn't have been the leadoff man on, he's batting second. still, they woulda had a fast baserunner on for the heart of the order.

rhino walks back to the bench; kaz k'd him. 2 out and another RISP wasted by the Phitin's...

Pat The Moose is up...

7 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:50 pm

No, one you're logged in you can leave the fields blank and just comment normally. Your ID should appear just fine. And feel free to speak your mind.

8 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:50 pm

i understand this "reply to this comment" bit, but i'd rather have the #'s to keep the posts in order but to reply to Jeb's Evil Empire post. alex has full editorial control, so i'm guessing we're allowed to curse to our hearts content. if not, that'd really suck and i'd probably have to quit posting comments.

i also really dislike not getting to preview posts before they get sent. i really needed that feature and dig it. i, too, am technologically challenged. i didn't have to sign back in when i came home a little bit ago and came to this site (via the toaster). the comment box was right there and i was set.

RISP REVERSAL. kaz walked burrell and victorino singled in 2. kaz has allowed 8 1st inning runs this PS. and counting...

9 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:50 pm

Another suggestion -- can we number comments? I like that a bit more than hitting "reply to this comment" (is that what people call "nested comments"? Told y'all, I'm not technically-able)

10 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:50 pm

This game is formality.

11 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:52 pm

Excellent! I think I'll like it over here. But I will miss posting on here and looking over to the right and thinking, "Wow I need to read that article on the Cardboard Gods.

12 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:53 pm

I think you're right. By the way, I do like numbered comments because the number is a SIGNAL to go back and look at an early comment. With the nesting (Is it nesting?) it seems like you have to just go back on your own.

13 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:53 pm

Guys, please keep the feedback coming. Just because you don't see a quick change in response, doesn't mean we're not listening. That said, if you change your mind about something (like, say after using them for a while you decide you like nesting comments over numbered ones after all), please update us as to your change of heart.

14 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:54 pm

cliff, i'm glad you're here. i'm trying this "reply to this comment" bit. with this feature, every time there are new comments or i refresh, i'll have to scroll all the way up and figure out what's new. that seems like it'll be a major pain in the rectum when during a big game, or busy thread.

cliff (and alex, if you're reading) -- please be patient with me, as i'll probably have lotsa problems, questions, comments about the new ways over. i'll probably repeat ?'s too, as it takes me awhile to get acclimated w/ technology. damn drummers... : /

phils w/ another RISP hit, but no run scored...

15 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:54 pm

Now that you guys have moved and I'm having to visit "other" websites, I suddenly feel like I've discovered the InternetS

16 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:55 pm

and melky called out diving into 1st. oh wait...

17 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:55 pm

will do. I wonder if there's a way to do nesting and numbered? why did Ken use numbered?

18 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:56 pm

Hah! and Arod pops out to Victorino....

19 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 27, 2008 8:57 pm

By the way, what is the deal with these all the players in French Foreign Legion hats in this game. I know it's cold, but dammit this is the World Series.

20 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:00 pm

thank you for listening! i have to agree wholeheartedly w/ evil empire about the numbered comments vs. the "nesting" (i'm even more ignorant than jeb about this stuff, as i've never heard of "nesting" before!) i also really dislike army time, though it's better than pacific coast time. since the host is here on the east coast, can't we have regularly times posted w/ an AM/PM?

oh, and of course, if i get used to stuff 'round these parts and learn to even like parts of it (good luck w/ that!), i'll definitely let my change of heart be known...

17 pitches for King Cole after 2...

21 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:01 pm

No idea. Incidentally, if you go back and look at the Toaster-era posts in the archives here, the numbers and the comment links are all still intact (save for last week's, which got lost in the transfer).

22 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:03 pm

the numbers were always cool at ken's place. the whole [134] thing has lived on and it's fun when we try to get to 500 or 1,000 during big games or even 50 or 100 in the early rounds of this years' playoffs. remember the highlighted numbers at the toaster that allowed us to click and go to the referenced post, was a relatively new feature. i think, at first, there was a glitch too, like it would be able to jump the fold if it was closed off. that was a cool thing at the toaster also, of keeping posts in blocks of 50. it kept things nice and neat.

i kinda dig these silly winter hats. then again, i'm always cold. even here in the south... : ~

23 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:05 pm

Ohayo Gozaimasu! damn, take 1 1/2 days off to visit the two-exit stomach flu thrill ride (will spare you any more details) and come back to find the Banter has moved!

agreed with the earlier comments, numebred posts seem better..congrats on the big move up though!

24 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:09 pm

Welcome and thanks. Great to see all you guys here on our first day! Oh, and glad you're feeling better.

25 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:09 pm

jazz tokyo! hey buddy, i knew you'd find us here! : )

i got A Blowin' Session in the mail today! pretty killin'

glad you're feelin' better, man!

26 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:12 pm

speaking of japan, baseball and the toaster -- anyone know what became of Mike Plugh. wasn't he moving back to the states? mlbtraderumors were referencing him quite a bit for japan bb news, but stopped and linked to someone else. hope and he has family are doing well!

27 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:13 pm

Holy Crap. I have tried logging in and getting a password about 2 dozen times since noon. I have finally made it.
You better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone.

28 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:16 pm

Ah, crud. Sorry about the hassle. Were you getting any specific error messages?

Also, if there's anyone out there reading having the same problem, email me (via the link on the right sidebar) and I'll look into it.

29 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:17 pm

...for the times they a-chaaaaaangin'

dylan rules!

30 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:18 pm

indeed! there is a really cool bar near my apartment here called "My Back Pages", walls covered in Dylan and other bluesman posters. owner has about 100 bootleg concert cds and vids behind the bar, you would love it.

not the most exciting WS this one...

31 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:18 pm

so, how long with the archives be able to be accessed at the Toaster? will they eventually get gone there and be relocated to this new address? will there be another Yankees blog at the Toaster to take our place or will there be another team or a void?

yeah, i'll miss checkin' on Cardboard Gods and The Griddle...

32 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:19 pm

It said to check my email earlier this afternoon but nothing ever came to my inbox. I thought it may have been anti-hotmail.. I randomly tried the forgot password option just now and voila, it was sent to me (for the first time). : )

33 Bama Yankee   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:22 pm

Hey, could someone tell me what this baseball game on FOX is all about? I thought the season ended in September... ;-)

34 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:23 pm

well, i'd rather have this WS than have the Shit Sox in it. at least i can enjoy watching meaningful baseball w/out having my stomach in knots and so much vested in the outcome.

35 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:24 pm

thelarmis, check this site out, may have some info..


36 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:24 pm

Actually, the archives are all here and the actual Archive links on the left go to the archives here. We just have to update the links under "Bronx Banter Interviews" and the like, which Alex and/or I will have to do by hand. I don't know the answers to your other questions.

37 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:28 pm

Was that praise of Joe Maddon a shot at Joe Girardi?

Hey Pena's first hit of the Series!

38 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:29 pm

hey thelarmis, am still getting the hang of the new system here. posted a link on Japanball for you to check abotu mike Pugh, also a post about a Dylan joint nearby, scroll back up and check it out.

39 Bama Yankee   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:29 pm

Agreed. Although, I've tried to pull for the Rays... I just have a hard time pulling for a team that I've rooted against all year.

40 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:30 pm

watching the game other day am sure i heard McCarver say to Joe Buck "this is not the time for that" after Joe went onandonandonandon about the NFL...first cool thing Tim has said since his WOR Mets days!

41 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:30 pm

Consiparcy Theories abound.

42 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:31 pm

cliff - i'm trying to get a hold of this "nesting"/reply system. i'm noticing there are different shaded boxes for comments - some are shaded blue and indented. i'm guessing all the large white ones are individual comments. outlined boxes w/ indented white ones and blue shading around it are all part of a "conversation thread" w/ folks "replying to this comment..." but, there's a section above that disproves that theory - one of my comments is part of the big outline, but falls after yours that says "comments wont (sic) nest below this level". (the won't thing really should be fixed!) anyway, it seems as though "nesting" doesn't really allow a long conversation - 4 or so comments.

if it's possible to bring back numbered posts and linking them, i think it'd be a prudent move. i'm sure you guys need to allow some time to gather lotsa feedback, etc and discuss. hopefully SNY will be cool with you guys to change stuff around. i haven't checked out the other sites here and frankly, with the exception of WW sometimes, i have zero desire to - so i don't know if all the sites here look uniform; i imagine they do...

rays on the board. i think it's a pretty exciting contest...

43 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:34 pm

thanks Jazz Tokyo! i'll have to scroll back up. see, another reason to go back to the # system. i was just about to reply to a Bama post but see there are quite a few after his and was afraid he'd miss my reply...

hey bama - good to see ya, man! i'm with you and rooting for the Phils. have been all along. i have PA ties, since i'm a Penn State graduate. i don't follow college football, but i think it would be really cool of you to lose a game, so we can move up! or, how bout we both win but texas loses. ...then, you lose so we can win it all. JoePa deserves that! : )

44 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:35 pm

I'm still learning it to. First off, I've already flagged that "wont." Second, when it says "Comments wont nest below this level" that just means it wont indent further, you should be able to continue commenting further in that conversation thread. Besides which, we have control over that max-3 indents thing and can increase it if folks so desire.

45 Bama Yankee   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:35 pm

Hey Jeb... uh, I mean Evil Empire... how 'bout the Tide? That was a big win against the Vols. I know everyone is starting to talk about the NC, but my main focus is on breaking that streak against Auburn... then I'll worry about the other stuff.

46 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:35 pm

er, "I'm still learning *too*"

47 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:35 pm

i am just seeing what this does.

48 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:35 pm

And here's a test comment to prove my point above.

49 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:35 pm

how do you make a word in bold? can you do italics here?

a frank tanana refrerence! cool.

50 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:36 pm

shit, i'm gonna get ganged up on between you & jeb! GO NITANNY LIONS! : )

51 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:37 pm

Man it's raining pretty bad in Philly . That's no fun for anyone.

52 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:37 pm

Dunno yet. If you figure it out, let me know.

53 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:37 pm

Cripes, He took if off the finger.

54 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:38 pm

see, this is why pitchers shouldn't hit. and now it's raining...

atlee hammacker! i'll never forget watching that ASG when he gave up the grand slam to fred lynn.

55 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:39 pm

Someone needs to teach Hamels that you bunt by making a fist with your top hand and gripping the bat with your thumb in a kind of thumbs-up grip.

56 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:40 pm

well the asterisk trick didn't work - i tried that earlier today. i'm not a very daring guy and i'm pretty terrified of computers and stuff you have to plug in, so i won't be trying too many things. i'm not quite that,um...BOLD! : )

this is why i play acoustic drums and marimba. pick up sticks, hit things. !!!

57 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:40 pm

Or, as I tend to think of it, the Bill Clinton ATM-Card hand gesture

58 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:41 pm

Man wouldn't it be wild if this game turned on Hamels getting hit with that pitch on the bunt? Can you imagine the Philly fans sweating that out right now nursing a 28-year drought?

59 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:41 pm

I blame Bobby Meacham for Hamel's shitty bunting skills. : )

60 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:42 pm

Marimba, aye? My wife and I just got to the SNL Episode in season 2 with Frank Zappa. I then watched the Apostrophe/Over-Nite Sensation Classic Albums episode. His vibraphone player was no joke. (not like any of his musicians were)

61 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:43 pm

it never would have happend if Joba pitched the 8th!

62 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:43 pm

thanks, cliff! i'm sorry for my late reply here. i am really disliking the separate conversation threads. i still haven't made my way up to Jazz Tokyo's links. i dig the continuity of the toaster. just sayin'...

63 Bama Yankee   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:45 pm

thelarmis, I almost forgot about your Penn State ties. I really hope that Texas loses and we get a shot to play you guys in the BCS title game. That would be like old times (1979 Sugar Bowl). I have always respected Joe Paterno and if we don't win it all, I wouldn't mind seeing him win it.

64 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:46 pm

the hit on hand from the bunt attempt is no doubt A-Rod's fault. i mean, how can it not be?

it's raining hardcore in philly. rain, hit on hand, running bases - i can't imagine Cole having an easy top of the 5th...

kaz at 84 pitches already. 2nd time Kaz loads the bases w/ a walk.

i wonder if boBBy is watching the game. i'm sure he is...

65 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:48 pm

So.....Who was the last team to win the W.S. in a driving rain?

66 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:49 pm

oh, cool! yeah, fuck texas! they're in Austin, right? i toured there a coupla times in the mid-late 90's - great little city! i'd love it if it's PSU & Bama. then again, you have a lot more vested in college football then me, so i'd be cool with a 1-2 punch for us...

will kaz walk in a run?!?!?!?! (<---gotta love the interrobang)

67 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:49 pm

Hey, guys. I just spoke to Alex, we should revert to the old comment format shortly. Hopefully tomorrow.

68 Bama Yankee   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:51 pm

Sorry for not replying to the above comments, but like others have said, I sorta like the old way of just referencing back to the numbered comments (the numbers also let us keep up with how much activity we have during a game thread). I'm sure I can get used to the new format, but old habits are hard to break. ;-)

For the record, Alex (and the others) I am happy for you guys on the move. Keep up the good work.

I'm out, good night everyone.

69 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:52 pm

What's the scoop on passwords? Mine sort of looked like a code to launch a missile.

70 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:52 pm

Now THAT'S customer service...arigatou, Cliff!

71 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:53 pm

Okay, that was absurd, they have to pull the players off the field.

72 Bama Yankee   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:54 pm

Nice. I should have refreshed before I posted the comment below...

73 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:54 pm

Don't know, but I'm sure there must be a way you can change your password. I'll inquire for you.

74 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:55 pm

That was only fair that they got rid of Baldelli. That Rollins play was BS.

75 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:56 pm

marimba, is my main instrument! i actually have a concert grand here in my living room! vibes are really hard; i'm more of a 4-mallet Classical concert marimbist. my solo percussion cd should be out in a few months - i'll float you a copy - TONS of marimba on there. only 1 piece with vibes. i might actually be playing a vibraphone solo on a heavy metal cd next year! we'll see...

zappa, is a MAJOR hero of mine. he's a HUGE influence and you'll hear it ALL over the aforementioned percussion cd. i'm not an SNL guy, but i think maybe my brother sent me a youtube link for that some time ago. he bought me that apostrophe/over-nite sensation dvd last year for my birthday (along w/ yankee dvd stuff!). i have pretty much EVERY zappa release. just about - gail keeps releasing stuff from the vault.

the mallet player during that era was Ruth Underwood. she is absolutely UNREAL!!!

76 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:56 pm

Hamels looks fine this inning, but they have to tarp the field.

77 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:56 pm

They should drill that play in spring training. The runner runs right into the dp way too often IMO.

78 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:57 pm

you guys RULE! thanking you : )

79 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:58 pm

I dunno, he came close to getting past the tag, just missed. Didn't Giambi beat that play this year by stopping in the baseline and sliding in ahead of the return throw from first base? I mean, Giambi!

80 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 9:58 pm

yeah, mine too. i was surprised i couldn't use my own password. then again, i had firefox remember it, so i haven't needed it. i saved the email from Word Press for future reference. if we're allowed to change and personalize our passwords, i'm all for it!

81 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:00 pm

yeah, this game is gonna have to be delayed. hamels was impressive that inning.

i can't believe minnesota's new stadium won't have a retractable roof.

cliff - heads up: i replied to your marimba/vibes/zappa post earlier. sorry it took so long, i didn't realize it was there...

82 boslaw   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:00 pm

go to profile on your login page. that's where you can change your password.

one thing I don't like about the new format - the narrow middle column where we type comments. Feels a bit claustrophobic. The old format seemed much more expansive.

I also agree with everyone on the numbered comments - glad to hear they'll be back,

83 Max   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:00 pm

Alright, I'm here too. Registering immediately provided an email with login info, but the email zoomed right into the spam folder. Crazy password system, but I'm assuming that will get smoother and more customizable with time.

Nice to see most of the loyalists on board already, and to see a nice lively game thread.

As far as the narrower comments field and the nested comments, it's hard to voice an opinion, since the conversation is pretty casual and people's engagement with the game is low, so I'm not feeling the need to track the progress of every discussion. The real test will be with a Yankee game, or the next big rumored signing or trade in the offseason. :-) I'm testing it hard now, with a 13 inch laptop screen (meaning a lot more scrolling), and it seems manageable so far.

I really miss comment previews, though.

84 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:01 pm

Could not log on. Just testing...

85 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:01 pm

if i had ties to tampa, i'd be infuriated by Kaz and his leadoff walks and overall wildness and high pitch count. this'll be his 95th pitch, 4+ innings...

86 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:02 pm

Agreed. That's really giving up an out.

87 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:02 pm

Oh, and for all of you non-computer folk, bold and italics etc. can be made by using the HTML tags listed below the commenting window. See 'em down there? I'm gong to have to put unnecessary Xs in them for them to show up here, but take out the Xs in the brackets and it goes like this:

bold text here
italic text here

also you can set-off quotes with:

blah blah blah

and you can link include your own links with:

link text


88 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:04 pm

Really... should the outcome of the (maybe) last game of the season be determined by the weather? These players have over 170 games invested in this season. This isn't fair.

89 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:05 pm

yeah, i mentioned the comment previews, as well. it was a great feature! i have a little laptop also. i think my screen is 14". my awesome, Sharp tv/vcr combo from Costco has a massive 13" screen! : )

i don't like the narrow comment field or separate conversation. i think the separate conversation section does lend itself to carrying on a continuous subject, but it's really hard to follow. there are pros and cons to everything and give/take involved, but i think we'll all be happier going back to the old commenting system which cliff & alex are going to be kind enough to once again employ.

hey OYF! : )

90 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:06 pm

Ah fug, that didn't work either.

Okay, here's the deal:

b = bold
i = italics

put the letter in less-than and greater-than signs (< >) and close the code by doing the same, but with a slash in front of the letter in the greater-than and less-than signs.

91 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:09 pm

i'm a tool - where do i find my profile or login page? i had firefox remember my password and when i come to this page, i'm all set to comment...

92 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:10 pm

It's gonna be a tough night for Kazmir.

93 Yankster   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:10 pm

Nice new place... to change your password click "site admin" in the left top box, then click your name in the upper right. At the bottom will be two boxes to put in a new password - you don't even need the old one if you're logged in.

94 Yankster   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:11 pm

ignore everything I say

95 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:12 pm

Rain + shoddy umpiring = Kazmir tossing in turning on those cold winter nights.

96 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:13 pm

ugh, i don't think i fit in the "non-computer folk" category, either. i'm more like the "idiot-moron" group, when it comes to this stuff. um...

= is that bold?

man, the asterisk trick sure was easy! : /

97 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:13 pm

shite! the greater/less than signs w/ slashes and "b" in there, didn't even show up! : /

98 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:15 pm

yeah, that walk to burrell was strike 3. 6 walks for the kid. yikes!

99 Pete   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:15 pm

Minor annoyance — why when I log in does it take me to the admin section...?

Since I don't have administrative access it's sort of a waste of time - any way for it to automatically take me to the home page?

100 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:18 pm

that means you were close. Here's what you might be doing wrong: no slash in the "open" code in front of the word you want bold. just the one slash in the "close" code after the word.

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101 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:18 pm

Yankster, I tried what you said. Time to log out and try to get back in. Call the police if you don't see me before the 6th inning.

102 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:19 pm

This is now an offical game? So if a monsoon comes the season is over? Really crappy.

103 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:19 pm

I'll ask.

104 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:19 pm

why don't the umps have the cool ear flaps on their hats? (pretty much a rhetorical ?...)

105 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:20 pm

No, the new rules are that they suspend the game and finish it later.

106 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:22 pm

That damn new field in Minnesota is a disaster in waiting. Who the hell is going to want to sign there? New York, Boston, Cleveland, etc are bad enough early season. Yeesh.

107 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:22 pm

sorry to inundate you with all of these ?'s & requests and (minor) complaints, comments, etc. i'm sure it's been enough of a task just leaving the toaster and starting up here. many thanks for caring about us longtime readers/participants and working so diligently to make us happy and comfy, it's greatly appreciated! i'm thinking, essentially getting the SNY to act as closely to the Toaster (plus some possible improvements offered here that i, as of yet, don't know about), the better! : )

108 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:24 pm

yeah man, i thought of that, too. that's why we have cliff here! and, of course, to throw our complaints to of our new home : )

109 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:25 pm

these umpire mistakes have been so egregious, they shoulda just had angel hernandez on the crew...

110 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:27 pm

or C.B. Bucknor

111 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:27 pm

You know, shit, this game is still damn close, despite all those Phillies baserunners.

112 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:28 pm

that's only 60 pitches for cole. 61* now...

113 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:29 pm

Wow... the umping is just getting worse and worse.

114 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:29 pm

who gets the feeling Upton hit's his 8th now...

115 Just Fair   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:30 pm

Or Lt. Frank Drebin

116 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:31 pm

and so is the broadcasting...

117 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:33 pm

i'm a-gonna try. if it works, the word "bold," will appear as such...

118 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:34 pm

nope. damnit! i'll let someone else (read: smarter than drummer level!) do it and let me know...

119 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:34 pm

R.Neyer at ESPN chat just confirmed that the game "could" be called and awarded to the Phils..and that would make it the worst WS ever...i agree! why not just delay and let them play when it clears up??

120 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:34 pm

At least Buck is correct in that this game should be called. Should have been called after the 3rd.

121 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:36 pm

he just wants to watch monday night football... ; )

122 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:36 pm

At least TB has an advantage now. The guys in the BP are better swimmers then Phily.

123 3rd gen yankee fan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:36 pm

Upton left a dry mark on the field with that slide.

124 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:37 pm

i'll be up all night, so that's cool. they best not call it and award it. that would be total bollocks...

125 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:38 pm

wow, the Mohawks tie the game...

126 3rd gen yankee fan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:38 pm

Anyone else think the Rays are getting jobbed by the umps?

127 Pete   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:38 pm

I'm just waiting for this game to come down to someone slipping, falling and being tagged out to decide the game...

128 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:39 pm

huh. I have to go back and check that rule change.

129 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:39 pm

First time Hamels has pitched without a lead since Game 1 of the NLCS.

130 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:40 pm

Yeah, this is a bad situation. There's an off day tomorrow, they should never have even started this game.

131 Max   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:44 pm

They're saying the weather is supposed to be even worse tomorrow, though.

132 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:46 pm

So suspended, like I said . . . :)

133 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:47 pm

shit, i had to run outta the room and now the game is done? what's going on? has it been suspended or is it postponed? that tampa run stays from the top of the inning?! who said this wasn't an exciting series?!

134 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:47 pm

Well, rain delay right now, but could wind up suspended. Yes, the official score is 2-2.

135 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:49 pm

like....delayed, right? possibly resume later?! if it ends after 1:47am, jayson stark will have multiple-orgasms and write the lengthiest piece ever of all-time about it. yippee!!!

ps - if it does end that late, i betchya i end up with at least 5 posts in a row! : p

136 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:49 pm

I believe it is only suspended because the Rays tied it. If it were 2-1, the game would be over.

137 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:49 pm

Steve Harvey Show?!

Bah, the news (after several minutes of a blank screen, way to go FOX!).

138 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:50 pm

Yeah, thus the smiley face.

139 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:51 pm

you should add a 5-octave marimba to your basement of musical instruments and toyz! : )

140 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:51 pm

This game might not get finished until Wednesday . . . wow.

141 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:51 pm

Got an extra? I'll take it! I'll play "Under My Thumb" for hours at a time!

142 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:52 pm

i got news and the weatherman doesn't think the game will come back tonight with rain continuing and the current field condition. then again, "ya don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...!"

of course, the one night that my gig ends early and i can watch the whole game, the heavens open up. such is my luck. feh!

143 Pete   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:54 pm

Ha, can you imagine if the game was 2-1 and the PA guy had to come on and tell the crowd that the Phils had just won the World Series...?

Would be hands down the most surreal moment in baseball, EVER.

144 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:55 pm

ooh, i wish! i have a 4 1/3rd Low 'A' concert grand marimba. not only could i not afford a 5-octave, but i couldn't fit it at my apt or drum studio. those things are HUGE! in fact, i've never really even messed around on 'em, so i wouldn't have much material to play on. they're tremendously impressive instruments, however...

145 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:56 pm

it's kinda like Cricket!

is Bud even at this game?

146 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 10:56 pm

Yeah, because it wouldn't happen until they'd had a 2-hour rain delay. Wow, that's almost unthinkable. Dizzying.

147 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:02 pm

here's a decent photo of a 5-octrave imperial grand marimba (without adjustable height). wow, what a breathtakingly beautiful instrument! it sounds great, too : )


148 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:04 pm

scroll up a hair for a tinyurl link to the new piece of furniture for your basement! ; )

149 Mattpat11   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:05 pm

Bob DuPuy is a much better representative for baseball than Bud

150 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:08 pm

anyone know how long they wait? just too bad no retractable roof...

151 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:11 pm

Nice! And good work on making the link work!

So, maybe a stupid question coming from someone who has been as involved in music as I have: what's the actual difference between a vibraphone and a marmiba? I always thought it was that a marimba had wood keys.

152 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:12 pm

i've got all night! : )

just put on Duke Pearson The Right Touch. solo Blue Note release from 1067. 5-man horn section + rhythm section. good stuff! wish his solo cd's from that era were more prevalent and easier to find...

153 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:14 pm

Blue Note's back catalogue is so ridiculous..I wonder how much is still left to be transfered to cd?
time to get some lunch here...hope the game doesn't get postponed till tomorrow!

154 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:33 pm

not a stupid ? in the slightest! in fact, it's a very important and legitimate ?. i teach glockenspiel (orchestra bells) to 10 6th graders on thursday and have to teach them the differences. also, when i mentioned earlier about being asked to possibly play a vibes solo on a metal record - that band leader was curious about the differences, as well. most musicians would not (and shouldn't, really) know these differences. i'm gonna include the xylophone in here also, for further understanding...

yeah, the first - and main distinction - difference, is that a marimba has wooden keys. i'll expound on that and add more...

marimba, xylophone - wooden keys (generally Rosewood)
vibraphone, glockenspiel - metal keys

part of what makes the marimba such a difficult instrument, is what we call "graduated" keys. the keys at the low end of the keyboard are very wide and they gradually get thinner and they go up the instrument. in the case of the xylophone, all the keys are the same width and are skinny. the bars on all 4 mallet instruments shrink in length, but the marimba also shrinks in width. so, if i'm playing with 4 mallets (2 in each hand), and i play an interval of a 4th and i move it up an octave, it becomes a 5th. 2 octaves beyond that, it's a 6th. this means you are constantly changing the spread with your thumb. not easy.

different mallets are used for each instrument. that creates different feels, as well as sounds. xylophone might have more fast passages of 2 mallet playing. and xylphone "Rags," which are cool (but really difficult).

the vibraphone is a completely different animal. besides the fact that it's made of metal bars, it has a pedal. all these mallet instruments are laid out like a piano - white keys & black keys (naturals/accidentals, respectively). on the marimba, xylo & bells, the black keys are "raised," just like a piano. this is not the case on the vibes. not having that raised plane, makes it more difficult to visualize and reach. the pedal possibility is the reasoning behind this...

depressing the pedal, allows the bars to resonate and ring out. releasing the pedal, the bars need to be on an even plane. there is a piece of felt that runs along the instrument, so the bars can be muted. sometimes both need to be done at the same time. if the pedal is depressed and the instrument is sustained, there might be some notes ringing out that are dissonant and/or unwanted. so, other muting techniques need to be employed. besides "pedal dampening," there's "finger dampening" and "mallet muting." it all makes the instrument very difficult.

the tubes coming down from the bars on a marimba, xylophone or vibes, are called resonators and act as an amplifier. the ones at the very low end of the 5 octave one i linked for you, are so massive, they have to be upturned. my 4.3 oct doesn't require that. the resonator are blocked off under the bars for tuning purposes. the low bars, the cut off is low, it's high at the high end. the resonators on the accidental plane that don't have bars above are left open and are there for the grandiose look.

none of the resonators are closed off in a vibraphone. the discs are on a wire and can actually move! the instrument can be plugged in and there is a level to slide which regulates the speed the disc will rotate. this gives what i called the "Scooby Doo Sound" (!!!) or others might consider a "wah-wah" effect or even "leslie" (like a B3 Organ).

vibraphones are generally 3 octaves, xylophones 3.5, marimbas 4+

generally speaking about mallets:
marimba - yarn mallets w/ birch handles
xylo - hard rubber mallets w/ rattan handles
vibes - cord mallets w/ rattan handles
glock - hard plastic

155 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:39 pm

i really wish they'd go ahead and release Dexter Gordon "Landslide". it's a terrific record. they've already done 2 releases of "Clubhouse" so i have NO clue why they haven't done "Landslide" yet. i have Liberty Records LP release and transferred it to tape ages ago, but i don't care to listen to either of those formats. i'd really welcome an RVG remaster of that record...

me, too - i hope the game gets resumed tonight!

156 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:40 pm

cliff - if you're still around, i wrote a lengthy reply to your marimba/vibes question! it's just a bit above. took me awhile to type, so i hope you're still here to read it...

157 thelarmis   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:47 pm

according to baseball tonight, game will resume tues or wed. boo!

158 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 27, 2008 11:56 pm

I got it. Thanks! Wow, that's a lot of info. So, I'm confused. Whatsername i that Zappa doc, she's playing a marimba, not vibes? I thought they called it vibes in the doc, but it looked like a marimba to me.

159 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2008 12:08 am

cool. sorry for the info overload! yeah, from what i remember, it's Ruth playing marimba in her living room. is that the scene you're speaking of? she hadn't played that passage in like 30 years and just whipped it out perfectly. she's a freak! unbelievable. if that's what you're talking about, it's DEFINITELY a marimba. vibes would be completely incorrect...

marimba is such a warm sound. it's almost like water. i consider it to be in the same range as the cello, which is my favorite non-percussion instrument.

160 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2008 12:10 am

once again - i'd love to be able to preview my comments before sending. and i'd really love a regular, normal EST clock with AM/PM, as opposed to army time...

161 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 28, 2008 12:13 am

Right. I thought so. So that signature Zappa sound is marimba, not vibes. Cool. So I had it right all along, I think. Yeah, that's the scene I was talking about, "three mistakes, one for each decade away from the song and the instrument," she says. I didn't even hear those mistakes. Sick.

162 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2008 12:21 am

ha! i forgot about that. yeah, i highly doubt Ruth made ANY mistakes. she is beyond belief. just amazing and incredible and every superlative you can think of. zappa's mallet music is incredibly difficult. i like to play easier stuff...like Bach! ; ) that said, i have a copy of Inca Roads here on my music stand to play and am composing another Zappa-like piece right now. well, not after midnight, but you know what i mean!

yeah man, the signature zappa sound for mallets is marimba. that's what i studied the most in college...

163 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2008 12:23 am

Hey Bama! I figured if Bronx Banter was going to change to a new site, I'd change my name because I've always kind of regretted using my name. But for people that "know" me (as much as you can actually know someone on a Web Board) I don't mind sharing my actual name. And I couldn't think of a decent name, which hadn't been used, but I've always liked the whole Evil Empire thing.

Onto the Tide: We'll be unbeaten by the SEC title game. I just don't see Bama beating Florida. Too young and too thin. But we'll beat Auburn's ass this year and for the next several years!

164 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2008 12:23 am

you hear vibraphone more in jazz settings. like lionel hampton or gary burton. marimba in more classical settings...and zappa. of course, this is a general statement, but applicable...

165 Raf   ~  Oct 28, 2008 1:00 am

The Twins will still continue to sign the types of players they always have; can't remember the last time they signed a "premium" free agent.

166 Pete   ~  Oct 28, 2008 8:26 am

A limited 'edit' function would be great too. A few sites I've seen have a 4-minute timer on all new posts under which you can make changes, then the post becomes permanent.

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