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Dumb and Dumber


Part Two of the Ding Dong Follies on Fox this afternoon.


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1 Chyll Will   ~  Jun 13, 2009 1:12 pm

I guess that means we're the 3 Stooges. Ahhh, I'm a Marx Bros. fan, though I can't argue against the merits of the 3S clip above; good selection.

2 Chyll Will   ~  Jun 13, 2009 1:21 pm

If these are the official match-ups, this must be us throughout this whole, um... thing >;)

3 PJ   ~  Jun 13, 2009 1:38 pm

[2] "If these are the official match-ups, this must be us throughout this whole, um… thing"

No it isn't!

: )

4 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 1:46 pm

[2] perfect! that sketch is exactly like a game thread. :D

5 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 13, 2009 2:28 pm

[2] Heh hehe heh heh heh!

Very nice.

6 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:07 pm

Hmmmm...FOX is currently have technical difficulties--no sound. This would be lovely.

7 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:08 pm

[6] ok for me.

8 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:08 pm

[7] Too bad.

9 PJ   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:09 pm

[6] In maintaining the "Argument Sketch" theme...

Yes it is!

: )

10 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:11 pm

Blast...McCarver/Buck have made their unwelcome return.

11 PJ   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:14 pm

What, no day off for Posada after catching in a night game?

Pettitte on the bump...


Anyone else notice that?

12 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:16 pm

Sweet,McCarver just pre-emptively ruined Buck's point about how all players in the old days would (or would not, which is what Buck wanted to say) run hard on every play.

13 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:19 pm

The first seven hitters in the Yankees lineup all have at least 8 HR

14 PJ   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:20 pm

[12] This coming from some hump that got his job from nepotism, feebly attempting to wax rhetoric on baseball pre free agency, when they could bench you or cut you loose and replace you with no notice whatsoever, which was why they always hustled down the line!

*says prayer of thanks for mute button*

15 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:21 pm

[8] sorry to disappoint.

16 PJ   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:24 pm

Thanks for "taking pitches" and "working the count" again, Captain Leadoff Man!


17 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:33 pm

Where was that pitch??

18 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:35 pm

And seriously, can we please stop talking about prostate cancer? Honestly, does FOX ever just talk about the damn game??

19 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:37 pm

Andy falling right in with the rest of the starters not named CC...

20 PJ   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:45 pm

Did Pettitte hurt his back again on that jump throw?

21 PJ   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:47 pm

Woohoo Alex!

22 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:48 pm

[18] seems like a good use of the platform actually.

23 Emma Span   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:48 pm

So, who finally convinced Jeter that he needs to position himself closer to 2B this year? He's cut WAY down on the "past a diving jeter"s. Or am I imagining things?

24 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:49 pm

[23] Jeter has always played where the coaches tell him to. I attribute that to a smarter coaching staff when it comes to that kind of thing.

25 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:50 pm

umpires suck

26 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:51 pm

[25] You misspelled "vampires".

27 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:55 pm

was yesterday's win so embarrassing that no one is watching today?

28 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:56 pm

I think it has more to do with this being a day game.

29 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:57 pm

i guess, but it's a pretty crappy day in ny

30 Just Fair   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:57 pm

[26] My attempt today is to not reference the future. : ) And maybe triple check whenever I use brackets.

31 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 4:59 pm

[30] But it turned out so well!

32 PJ   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:00 pm

[30] LOL

I'm going to the deli, such as it is here... and then shopping for a pair of shoes.

One Matzo Ball Soup and a Ruben are calling!

Enjoy the rest of the game folks!

: )

33 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:00 pm

[32] have fun

34 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:02 pm

nice shot of howard johnson blowing rain drops away

35 rbj   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:02 pm

[27] FOX, in its infinite wisdom, has decided that because I live in Ohio I must of course rather watch the Indians-Cardinals game.

36 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:07 pm

[20] yes?

37 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:11 pm

[36] no?

38 Emma Span   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:14 pm

[27] Personally I'm distracted today, trying to follow everything going on in Iran. Pretty amazing stuff.

39 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:17 pm

Someday we'll get a 1-2-3 inning. Maybe if Robertson pitches later.

40 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:23 pm

Huh. That was encouraging.
In fact, if he hadn't already given up that two-run dinger, I would right now say I felt very optimistic about Andy's chances today.

41 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:23 pm

i guess the subway series isn't what it used to be when people are following the real world instead

42 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:28 pm

Speaking of subways, I saw the new "Pelham 123" movie this afternoon.
The remake doesn't have the suspense of the original -- it's much more of a character drama.

43 OldYanksFan   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:28 pm

[38] What's going on ? (boring game)

44 Just Fair   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:33 pm

[39] Doing so here in the 5th sure would be a peach. And then that. : (

45 OldYanksFan   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:35 pm


46 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:35 pm

What's with the 0-2 hits??? Pretty decent pitches, too.

47 Just Fair   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:36 pm

1,2,3 hits. Crap.

48 rbj   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:42 pm

Well I'm off to watch the Mudhens. Looks like the Subway game is taking an ugly turn.

49 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:43 pm

it would be interesting to have a good fielding outfielder

50 Emma Span   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:43 pm

[41] I'm watching... but yeesh, what a slow game.

[42] I LOVE the original and I'm not inclined to give the new one a shot. Should I bother?

[43] Well, looks like massive election fraud and major protests. But it's all still a little murky, given that the government controls the media in Iran and they've also shut down youtube and cell phone networks there. Lots of rumors flying around, and some pretty violent videos and photos of riots.


51 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:44 pm

Hm, this Omar Santos kid, huh?

52 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:45 pm

[50] (The "P 123" part)
Well, if you like Denzel, Travolta, Turturro, Gandolfini, yes. The acting is interesting.

53 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:46 pm

This team is a joke...after choking away three more games in Fenway, they come and play even worse against a AAA team in Mets uniforms. Changes are needed.

54 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:48 pm

[53] maybe they should release pettitte

55 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:51 pm

[54] I say: throw the rest of the games this season and draft Bryce Harper!

56 Emma Span   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:52 pm

In more relevant news that I suspect some Banterers will appreciate, Brian Bruney, rehabbing in Trenton, just went OFF on K-Rod, per the Bats blog:
“Couldn’t have happened to a better guy on the mound, either,” said Bruney, referring to the Mets’ closer, as he spoke in Trenton. “He’s got a tired act.”...
... For some reason, Rodriguez’s actions infuriated Bruney.
“He gets what he deserves, man,” Bruney said. “I just don’t like watching the guy pitch. I think it’s embarrassing.”

57 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:53 pm

how did that stay in??

58 Raf   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:55 pm

Actually, those were the Rangel Houses, not the Polo Grounds Towers

59 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:55 pm

Nieve is tiring.

60 Just Fair   ~  Jun 13, 2009 5:59 pm

Maybe after I'm done walking the hound the boys will be awake. Total effin' Bollocks!

61 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:01 pm

[59] so am i

62 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:02 pm

[38[ wow, i was busy cleaning and missed what was happening in Iran. gotta go read...

63 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:04 pm

[59] If the Yankees weren't swing at everything, he would have walked the ballpwark. The fact that the haven't adjusted to Nieve is very telling.

Castillo will get all the grief after last night, but the Yankees, as a team, have been the real clowns over the past 5 games. The status quo isn't going to work...everytime this team faces something resembling a big game, they play like crap. Eventually, someone needs to be held accountable for that. The excuses are getting old.

64 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:10 pm

Two things seem to be happening the last few games. One, the starting pitching is reverting back to how it was earlier in the season, ie bad. Two, the Yanks have fallen into the main bad habit of the last few seasons - which for a while this season I thought they'd shaken off - seemingly waiting around for a home run. I wonder if their comebacks have had the unfortunate side effect of exacerbating this waiting game.

Wow Damon's BA down to .280.

65 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:11 pm

when francesa interviewed flaherty a few days ago flaherty said that posada doesn't call games by the scouting reports, he just goes on "feel." he guesses that posada calls based on what he would do as a hitter.
is there anywhere you can look up the pitching stats of catchers? that should be a separate category listed under catchers.

66 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:12 pm

I gotta say though, it seems like the Yankees have had some bad luck today - some hard hit balls right at the defenders.

Nonetheless, the Yanks need to touch this f***ing pitcher up for some runs.

67 ms october   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:13 pm

i went to pelham 123 too riyank - yeah the acting is interesting
our 56th yankee stadium memory contributor luis guzman was his usual great character actor self

i take it andy wasn't so dandy
and the offense has been candy

68 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:13 pm

[65] that'd be nice to have but you gotta figure out how to do it since that must depend on so much who the pitcher is. and at what point in that pitcher's career. not to mention all the other factors such as ballpark, weather, batter, etc...

69 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:13 pm

Wow, A-Rod is Three True Outcomes player-of-the-game today. (Santos was in the running, but then he went and doubled, the slouch.)

70 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:13 pm

[67] dandy candy. check.

71 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:14 pm

Holy god in heaven Cano looked terrible there

72 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:15 pm

[67] Oh wow, I forgot that about Guzman. Now I'll have to go see the movie again!

73 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:15 pm

Trade Cano to an NL team if you can get something of worth back.

74 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:15 pm

[68] it should be sortable based on all those factors, but there aren't more factors than there are for pitching and hitting.

75 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:16 pm

Pettitte gave up 12 hits in 5 innings? Oy.

Meanwhile, we're being 2-hit. With Brett Gardner being one of the hits. And he's in the game with Damon?

76 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:17 pm

[66] It's not bad luck when you continue to hack away at a pitcher with no control...Nieve threw just over half for strikes, but those include pitches like the last one in the dirt that Cano swung at. From the first AB of the game when Jeter hacked away, the Yankees have shown little discipline. The bottom line with this team is they continue to play awful baseball when the spotlight shines. That isn't going to change unless changes are made.

77 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:18 pm

[73] What does "of worth" mean here? Like a Dustin Pedroia type?

78 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:19 pm

[74] the other factors are more in control. When you hit you have a tremendous amount of control over how you swing, what you swing at, etc... As a pitcher, you may not call the pitches but you have primary control over effectiveness, talent, etc.. As catcher, measuring how you call a game would be mostly dependent on what others do. I think i'm making sense here anyhow. haha

79 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:20 pm

[76] i agree with you, but what changes? trading cano and/or melky might be a good idea. but what about the pitching? it's not like we have bad pitchers, they've just been terrible. could it be that they got better with cervelli then reverted when posada came back? the hitting has been up and down but has it really been the problem?

80 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:20 pm

[78] I think that's all true, but what it means (maybe, I'm still thinking this through) is that you'd have to look at the very long run to get a sense of how the catcher is affecting the stats. Because in the very long run, those other factors would balance out and the differences among catchers would be their 'true' differences.

81 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:22 pm

[79] Do you really think trading Cano is a good idea?
I think it's a terrible idea. I mean, of course it always depends on what's on offer, but I don't see any way the Yankees could really get equal value.

82 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:22 pm

[79] The manager and/or the pitching coach for starters.

83 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:23 pm

[80] you would need a very large statistical sample i agree. I'm not meaning to say it can't be done, just very difficult. probably impossible for catchers without at least a few years in the league.

84 ms october   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:23 pm

well this recent stretch has by and large followed the recipe for un-success we saw at the beginning of the year - poor starting pitching, overworked pen, mediocre defense and offense - don't win much with that recipe

85 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:24 pm

[83] Right. It would be very 'noisy'. But you know, all defensive stats are pretty noisy; this would just be another.

86 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:25 pm

[76] I didn't say bad luck overall, just bad luck when you hit a ball on the screws but it's right at somebody.

87 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:25 pm

[78] i guess the big difference is that you only catch 5 pitchers on your team, so there's no real comparison between catchers on different teams. but there aren't really any more factors than there are with hitting (you don't call the pitches or throw them, you just react to them) or even pitching (different opposing hitting abilities, different calls from catchers, ballparks, weather,etc). since to a certain extent pitchers all throw similar pitches, pitch selection is often the main difference between pitchers. obviously there are a million other factors, but i think that we underrate the importance of catching.

88 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:26 pm

[81] I'd love to find out what they can get.

89 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:26 pm

[85] yep, true. I think this would be noisier than most but I guess i'd have to see a formula someone came up with.

90 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:26 pm

[77] Give me a list and I'll tell you.

91 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:28 pm

And btw it looks like once again getting worked by the Red Sox has thrown the Yanks off their game in the subsequent series.

For those who don't believe in a mental component in sports, please ignore the above.

92 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:29 pm

[81] i think that trading cano might be a good idea if we could get a very good starter. but i would have to be really convinced. i think cano might be a liability during the season but an asset during the postseason.

93 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:31 pm

[89] Well, come to think of it, it probably would be noisier, for the reason [87] 51cq24 mentions: that even after five seasons you won't disentangle a catcher from the, say, 9 starters he's been catching for those years.

[90] Jeez, I dunno. I have very little idea of who's available.

94 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:32 pm

I'd rather not trade Cano. I think folks here undervalue him.

95 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:33 pm

[92] Interesting. Well, a vg starter is awfully valuable, sure.
Cano is an ops .800+ second baseman. Those are not as hard to find as they used to be (Chase Utley, Dustin Pedroia), but they're pretty valuable, I think.

96 ms october   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:33 pm

[87] if you did have enough data and ran it it some kind of econometric model where you could hold the other factors constant you could basically isolate the impact of the catcher on your dependent variable (probably era+ or maybe whip - whatever you want to use as your measure of the pitchers). as you say, just looking at the stats on their face value will be difficult to parse.

[79] how does your hypothesis involve cash? i wasn't particulalry impressed by his behind the plate skills and he caught more than a buc during that hot stretch?

97 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:33 pm

seems like a pretty typical URP game to me.

98 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:36 pm

[97] You misunderstand. The Yankees are just trying to be efficient. No point in wasting a lot of runs (or hits, for that matter) in a game where our pitching is so bad. To win 97 games this year we need lots of one-run victories, and where do you think those runs are going to come from? Yep, we're saving them up in games like this one.

99 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:36 pm

good job center field platooners!

100 ms october   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:36 pm

man melky looked slow there

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101 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:36 pm

Yeah! The bottom of the order comes through.

Gardy 2 for 3 today.

102 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:36 pm

[98] very strategic. Girardi is brilliant!

103 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:37 pm

[100] yeah what is up with that? he isn't hurting is he?

104 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:38 pm

[96] yeah i think eventually you could sort through the stats. i also just think that we should keep track of everything, with computers recording exactly what is happening at all times (where the ball is and how it moves, where the bat is and how it moves, where players are positioned, the pitcher's motion, baserunners, etc) so that we can pull up stats on anything. we should be able to discern not just between players but between plays, so that we can better see what makes players good, not just which players are good.
i'm not sure about cash. he couldn't seem to catch pitches very well, and his arm is terrible, but i don't know how well he was calling games.

105 Emma Span   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:39 pm

Manuel's bringing in Green, again? Really? That seems ill-advised...

106 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:39 pm

[100] Probably out late practicing his English with strippers again last night.

I'm thinking trading Melky might be a good idea, if only to break up the Terrible Twosome.

107 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:39 pm

[22] Sorry, stepped out for a long while. I don't want the platform used for anything except baseball. I just, one day, want to tune into a game and hear them talk about the game. Not cancer research (laudable as that may be), not politics, not global warming, not what's on Fox later that week, not the NFL or NBA or NASCAR. Just stinking baseball.

108 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:40 pm


109 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:40 pm

Jeter a little lucky there, but he also hustled on that one.

110 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:41 pm

Damon a little unlucky there.

111 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:43 pm

I wonder what Girardi said to Joba and Jorgie.

I can imagine Posada was pretty pissed last night. He really hates losing. And Joba was getting so predictable. Whenever he was in trouble, he went to his slider.

112 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:45 pm

[91] This team has proven to have a real glass jaw when they aren't playing teams like the Indians and Twins.

113 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:46 pm

[111] Posada can pissed all he wants, but he isn't above the losing. In this game alone, down 4 and 5 runs respectively, he hacked away leading off an inning despite having a 2-0 count.

114 ms october   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:47 pm

[104] definitely - you should send that in to the mlb gameday people or someone

[111] yeah would be interesting to hear that conversation.
they have bickered before - wonder if it will get to duque/po level

115 monkeypants   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:52 pm

[113] Are you talking about the 5th inning? According to gameday, the pitch was right down the pipe. I can't get upset about a batter swing at that pitch, especially given that 2-0 is a ... hitter's count.

116 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 6:52 pm

i don't think he would have slipped if he'd run straight at the ball

117 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:01 pm

Pete Abe says this game may determine whether Veras is DFA'd or not.

118 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:03 pm

[105] For us.

119 ms october   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:04 pm

[117] hard to tell if that is paa/o+ (pete abe aanalysis/opinion, adjusted for his take one someone) or information he got from a yankee decision maker

120 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:05 pm

I think the Yanks would really like to trade Veras rather than DFA him. Obviously. But I don't think it is going to happen.

121 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:06 pm

[119] I would guess he's basing it on the fact the Bruney will be added to the roster soon, which means someone's gotta go.

122 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:06 pm

A-Rod is still perfect in the Three True Outcomes derby.

123 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:07 pm

[120] Maybe for Miguel Cairo.

124 ms october   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:08 pm

[121] yeah veras is certainly a strong candidate - probably between him and tomko

[122] i really hope that is not who arod is now

125 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:08 pm

Cripes, I'd like to know how many ground balls the Yankees hit to the right side of the infield, specifcally 1B. What does that mean? Sans expertise, I'd say they're tight as a drum and thus jumpy at the plate.

Anyhoo, terrible game. The starting pitching except for Sabathia has been putrid the last time through the rotation, just happening by coincidence when they play the Sox and Mets. Oh and the bats have been inconsistent at best, and against the likes of Nieve and Brad Penny no less. Pretty hard to stomach.

126 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:08 pm

[123] Heh. MIggy is tearing it up for the Lehigh Valley IronPigs.

127 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:08 pm

[117] Now I'm actually rooting for the Mets to score a couple against Veras. Is that wrong?

128 Just Fair   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:09 pm

Well it's 1-1 since I left. So they got that going for them. : / Ugh.

129 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:09 pm

[115] When a team has 1 hit against a marginal pitcher who hasn't been able to throw strikes, I have a problem with a lead off hitter hacking away 2-0. You can't single out Posada because the whole lineup has done it today. In the 8th, Tex swung 3-1 despite being down 4? Is a HR really that much more valuable than a walk?

Not only has Boston owned the Yankees, but they have sent them into tailspins each time. Calling this team's past 5 games an embarrassment is an understatement. Sadly, they don't seem to feel that way...and that lack of accountability is at the heart of this team's inability to perform when the spotlight shines.

130 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:09 pm

A Rod and Cano are a 1-2 punch of brutal ABs.

131 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:09 pm

[129] is there anything you don't have a problem with?

132 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:10 pm

[124] Well, I could stand the walks and homers, frankly.

133 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:10 pm

[124] Pete Abe said last week that the plan was to send Hughes back to Scranton when Bruney came back. But with so many of our starters not doing well, sending down Hughes probably doesn't seem like such a great idea any more. Though I don'tt think they want to leave him in the pen too long, either.

134 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:11 pm

[130] The whole lineup has been brutal in both approach and results. Either they weren't prepared or didn't take Nieve seriously. Either way, it's an indictment on this coaching staff.

135 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:12 pm

[131] Teams playing fundamental baseball and not shrinking from big games.

136 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:13 pm

If Veras just earned himself another month on the 25 man roster then this game is worse than one loss.

137 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:14 pm

Oh, hey, interesting. Is this a "get back on that horse" moment for Rodriguez?

138 ms october   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:14 pm

[132] well certainly, but arod has always been a more complete hitter than just a 3to guy

139 Raf   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:15 pm

Brad Penny put together quite a run before he faced the Yanks a few days ago

140 51cq24   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:15 pm

a hr isn't that much more valuable than a walk in that situation, but a hit of any sort is much more valuable than an out, and 3-1 and 2-0 are better than 3-2 and 2-1 respectively.

141 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:15 pm

[126] Could the I-Pigs use a pitcher like Veras?

142 Just Fair   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:18 pm

[140] Thats a tad too logical. : D Nice swing, Mats. Oy.

143 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:19 pm

3-0 Boston...there goes the division. Hopefully, they don't choke away the wild card before someone is held accountability for this team's embarrassing play.

144 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:21 pm

Seriously, why is Rodriguez pitching?
I guess Girardi really isn't such a bad decision-maker, comparatively speaking.

145 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:21 pm

[140] I'll take my chances with Nieve, who had thrown almost 50% balls, walking a batter. The Yankees decided to hack away and no one on the bench thought an adjustment would be in order. The result is another pathetic effort and embarrassing loss.

146 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:21 pm

[141] They're the Phillies' AAA team, so the question is whether the World Series champions need a pitcher like Veras.

147 Rich   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:22 pm

Dear Steinbrenners,

Please fire some people.



148 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:22 pm

[145] are you bugging the bench now too?

149 Raf   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:23 pm

3-0 Boston…there goes the division

Right. Would you like to declare them world champs while you're at it?

150 seamus   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:23 pm

haha. people panic so easily. catch y'all later.

151 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:23 pm

[146] I knew that.
I don't really want Miggy. As I recall, I was really just saying, Jose Veras is worthless as a trading chip.

152 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:24 pm

Maybe a no-hitter by Santana tomorrow? Good thing for the Nationals coming in...maybe that level of competition is more the Yankees speed.

153 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:25 pm

[149] Don't be ridiculous. The Phillies have maybe a 20% chance of beating them in the Series.

154 randym77   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:25 pm

They're playing Frank Sinatra, even though the Yanks lost.

155 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:26 pm

[154] Because New York won.

156 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:27 pm

[149] They can't play the Yankees all three rounds, so not quite yet.

157 Raf   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:28 pm

[153] 20%? You're awful generous.

158 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:28 pm

5-0 Boston...I guess the Red Sox are able to prepare for pitchers they've never seen.

159 Raf   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:31 pm

Kinda makes you wonder how they ever lose a game, doesn't it?

160 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:38 pm

[159] Sometimes they get overconfident?

161 The Hawk   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:52 pm

The Red Sox haunt the Yankees. I'm sad to say it but it's true. Twice now the Sox have knocked the Yanks for a loop. I mean, take away that outrageous misplay last night and the Yanks have lost five in a row. After not having lost even two in a row for a month.

162 Raf   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:52 pm

[160] Given they're the Chuck Norris of the AL, I guess I shouldn't be surprised if they get overconfident

163 RIYank   ~  Jun 13, 2009 7:53 pm

[162] The problem is, they have such superb coaching that they really never do become overconfident.

New thread, by the way.

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