Aie, Papi!
Posted on Jul 30, 2009 1:10 pm
By Alex Belth
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Key Offseason Moves
- B. Bruney traded to WAS for 1st Rule 5 pick
- C. Granderson acquired for A. Jackson, I. Kennedy, P. Coke
- A. Pettitte re-signed $11.75M/1yr
- J. Hoffmann picked in Rule 5 draft
- C. Wang non-tendered
- N. Johnson signed $5.5M/1yr + option, incentives
- J. Vazquez, B. Logan acquired for M. Cabrera, M. Dunn, A. Vizcaino
- R. Winn signed $1.1M/1yr + bonuses
Players
The Recently Departed
2010 Yankees
R. Winn BR BP E MLB
Vazquez trade
M. Cabrera BR BP E MLB
M. Dunn (L) BR BP E mi
A. Vizcaino BR mi
Granderson trade
A. Jackson BR mi DET
I. Kennedy BR BP E mi AZD
P. Coke (L) BR BP E DET2010 Campers
Mike Rivera BR BP E MLB mi
C. Garcia BR miRule 5 draft
J. Hoffmann BR BP E MLB mi
Z. Kroenke BR mi AZD
K. Texeira BR mi SEA2009 Yankees
J. Damon BR BP E MLB DET $8m/1yr
H. Matsui BR BP E MLB LAA $6M/1yr
X. Nady BR BP E MLB CHC $3.3+/1yr
J. Hairston Jr. BR BP E MLB SD $2.125M/1yr
E. Hinske BR BP E MLB ATL $1M/1yr
F. Guzman BR BP E MLB mi PHI mL
S. Duncan BR BP E MLB mi CLE mL
C. Ransom BR BP E MLB mi PHI mL
A. Berroa BR BP E MLB mi NYM
J. Molina BR BP E MLB TOR mL
K. Cash BR BP E MLB mi
C. Stewart BR BP E MLB mi SD mL
C. Wang BR BP E mi WAS $2M/1yr +bonuses
B. Bruney BR BP E mi WAS
E. Ramirez BR BP E mi TEX
J. Veras BR BP E CLE
B. Tomko BR BP E mi OAK
J. Towers BR BP E mi LAD
S. Jackson BR mi PIT
A. Claggett BR BP E mi PIT
2009 mLers/campers
D. Bernier BR BP E MLB mi PIT mL
E. Duncan BR mi ATL mL
J. Leone BR BP mi mL TEX
J. Rodriguez BR BP E MLB mi
T. Linden BR BP mi
T. Battle BC mi
K. Anson BC mi retired
E. Hacker BR mi PIT
H. Sanchez BR BP E mi
J. Johnson BR BP E mi
40-man Roster:
Infielders:
M. Teixeira BR BP E MLB
R. Cano BR BP E MLB
D. Jeter BR BP E MLB
A. Rodriguez BR BP E MLB
L. Berkman BR BP E MLB
R. Peña BR BP E MLB mi
Outfielders:
N. Swisher BR BP E MLB
C. Granderson BR BP E MLB
B. Gardner BR BP E MLB mi
M. Thames BR BP E MLB
A. Kearns BR BP E MLB
Catchers:
J. Posada BR BP E MLB
F. Cervelli BR BP E MLB mi
Starting Pitchers:
C. Sabathia (L) BR BP E
A. Burnett BR BP E
D. Moseley BR BP E mi
P. Hughes BR BP E mi
J. Vazquez BR BP E
Relief Pitchers:
M. Rivera BR BP E
K. Wood BR BR E
J. Chamberlain BR BP E
D. Robertson BR BP E mi
B. Logan (L) BR BP E mi
S. Mitre BR BP E mi
C. Gaudin BR BP E miCoaches:
J. Girardi (Mgr) BR BP
T. Peña (Bench) BR BP
Kevin Long (Hit) BR
D. Eiland (Pitch) BR BP
M. Kelleher (1B) BR BP
R. Thomson (3B) BR
M. Harkey (Pen) BR BP15-day DL:
A. Pettitte (L) BR BP E
D. Marte (L) BR BP E mi
A. Aceves BR BP E mi60-day DL:
N. Johnson BR BP E MLB40-man Roster:
AAA:
J. Miranda BR BP E MLB mi
R. Corona BR mi
E. Nuñez BR mi
K. Russo BR mi
C. Curtis BR mi
C. Huffman BR BP E MLB mi
G. Golson BR BP E MLB mi
I. Nova BR mi
R. Sanchez BR BP E mi
J. Albaladejo BR BP E mi
M. Melancon BR BP E mi
AA:
W. De La Rosa (L) BR mi
High-A:
H. Noesi BR mi
A. Brackman BR miDesignated for Assignment:
C. Park BR BP ESelect Minor Leaguers:
AAA Scranton Wilkes-Barre Yankees:
Jorge Vazquez BR mi
D. Winfree BR mi
J. Weber BR mi
R. Gorecki BR BP E MLB mi
J. Montero BC mi
C. Moeller BR BP mi
Z. McAllister BC mi
J. Hirsh BR BP E mi
K. Igawa (L) BR BP E JB mi
R. Ring (L) BR BP E mi
Z. Segovia BR BP E mi
A. Sanit BR mi
K. Whelan BR mi
W. Arias (L) BC mi
G. Kontos BR mi DLAA Trenton Thunder:
J. Snyder BC mi
B. Laird BR mi
M. Vechionacci BR mi
E. Gonzalez BR mi
A. Romine BC mi
P.J. Pilittere BR mi
J. Bleich (L) BR mi
R. Pope BR mi
A. Horne BC mi DL
G. Duff BR mi
J.B. Cox BC mi DLA Tampa Yankees:
C. Joseph BR mi
M. Cusick BC mi
J. Gil BR mi
M. Banuelos BR mi
D. Mitchell BR mi
D. Betances BC mi DL
J. Ortiz BC mi
C. Heyer BC mi
C. Nolte BC mi
B. Smith BC mi DLLow-A Charleston RiverDogs:
D. Adams mi
B. Suttle BC mi
S. Heathcott BR mi
K. De Leon BR mi
J. Murphy BR mi
K. Higashioka BR mi
P. Venditte mi
J. Heredia BC mi DLLow-A Staten Island Yankees:
Rookie Gulf Coast Yankees:
C. Smith BR mi
G. SanchezKey:
BR = Baseball-Reference
BP = Baseball Prospectus
BC = Baseball Cube
E = ESPN
MLB = MLB.com hit charts
mi = MiLB.com
JB = Japanese Baseball.com
Who knew?
LOL!
Hmm, I thought they just won with grit and looseness, and because they wanted it more.
I’m at the point where so long as Jeter, Jorgie, and Mo don’t show up on that list, I don’t care about any of it anymore.
mmmmmm, yeah this is nice…
yeah, we’ve suspected Ortiz all along, but it’s still shocking to see it finally confirmed .
This takes a little pressure off our third baseman, and makes BoSox fans far less smug than they’ve been. So it’s a win-win…
Gammons must be devestated. Oh well, I guess the Fenway crowd will need to come up with something else witty to chant at Arod.
[5] awareness of their own hypocrisy? i doubt it. expect chants to continue.
Surely, Selena Roberts has just begun investigating her next two bestsellers, I mean, non-sellers.
Cowboy up!
I just hope this news doesn’t push Boston to make a trade for Halladay to overshadow the bad publicity.
I am shocked that the news about manny and papi was not included 2 years ago in the mitchell report, which was in no way the product of a conflict of interest, since it was written by a Red Sock employee.
[8] Midnight Cowboy up!
[8] Joel wins silver. Alex wins gold for that cupcake.
For the record, I couldn’t care less what Big Papi used and when he used it and how often he used – but I can’t wait to see how the sanctimonious Sox fans and Boston Media – especially that bedrock of hypocrisy, the Boston sports media – deal with this one. Where will the demands for Ortiz to go on national TV and apologize come from? How loud will they be? Who will make them?
Or will Ortiz be given what I like to call the “Rodney Harrison” treatment?
If I was a betting man, I’d bet on the Harrison treatment.
[10] A Red Sox employee?? Don’t sell Mitchell short, he’s a minority Red Sox owner…even better.
If anyone needs me I’ll be staking out 38pitches.com
Hardly surprising, though I can’t say I can get any pleasure out of it. Seriously, I just think EVERYONE used at this point. And its not like that is so rare in baseball history. But, the hypocrisy from players, media, and fans alike is far more irksome.
[2] and bernie
[13] i think we all know the drill by now, and it doesn’t change regardless of the circumstances. When hammered with “breaking steroids news” half of the fans, and media blabbermouths will yawn. The other half will shoot the messenger, and blame ARod for everything.
further outings
dream list: pujols, schilling, varitek, papelbon, any other red sox player ever, i-rod, luis gonzalez, thome, griffey jr (just cuz) , actually this list could just go on and on…
nightmare list: rivera and jeter.
[13] I am with you…I don’t care what they did, don’t think it taints Boston’s championships and feel no need to extract a pound of flesh. However, I too am eagerly looking forward to how the city of Boston, its fans and media alike, deal with the painful hypocrisy.
[2] & [16] I would not bet on either posada or bernie being clean.
LOL @ “Big Fraudy”
Best one I’ve seen so far!
: )
[21] let the games begin then..
Big *
Big Juicy
Big Dopi
Ha. Not a surprise. Lots of liars and cheats in this sport. At this rate there will be only 2 or 3 people for the hypocritical sportswriters to put in the Hall.
I thought Murry Chass said that the NY Times does not use sources for stories. What a tool.
At least the Red Sox team doctor advised him how to take the properly…
Big Papi’s problem is 2003 is right at the begin of his meteoric rise, while the revelation comes amid his seemingly rapid decline. So, while Arod and Manny were bonafide stars since high school who have the chance to keep racking up HRs, Ortiz’ resume looks exactly like the prototypical PED user (to those who really believe they help alot).
[19] Yes, me too.
That seems to be the common sentiment.
Nothing like (a) winning and (b) Red Sox headaches, to unify opinion at BB.
Hi from the SABR convention, where word of this hasn’t hit yet.
[25] getting a lot stronger helps a lot. steroids help you get a lot stronger. so yeah, steroids help a lot.
[28] I wont rehash this argument, but it really depends on the subustance. Even then, the problem becomes determining how much strength is attributed to the substance and how much to the insane training regime that usually accompanies its intake. Finally, with strength also comes a loss of flexibility and strain on tendons and ligaments. In other words, there are so many factors to consider and few if any conclusive studies have been done.
[22] Big Boli?
Never posted before, but I figure now’s as good a time as any to start
Someone told me that Gammons is already embarrassing himself by spinning like a top?
about fucking time.
the truth shall se you free.
one of my favorite cupcakes of all time is the cookie monster cupcake.
As I said on the earlier thread, why have Paxton Crawford’s words been ignored by the both media and George Mitchell?
[29] thanks for not rehashing the argument!
i’m sure there are those who didn’t use steroids properly, or whose physiologies did not make them hyper-responders, and who saw no benefit from them. but it’s pretty safe to assume that steroids have the POTENTIAL to help you get stronger and therfore the POTENTIAL to get better at baseball. and had that effect for a lot of the users.
and yeah, there are no conclusive studies done because it’s not possible to do conclusive studies when all of the users of the substance(s) you are trying to isolate want to avoid detection at all costs. so if you’re waiting for the bill james definitive steroid almanac to come out, don’t hold your breath.
i distinctly remember one of simmons’ coulmns that talked about the yankees being a team full of steroid users (mostly focusing on giambi) and saying that these two goofy (stupid) dominicas can’t even mix theraflu much less take steroids – hmm, how you like it now
[33] What about Lou Merloni’s more recent comments? You have two players on record talking about how steroid use was rampant in Boston, but yet no one bothers to investigate the claims.
Fist Pump !!!
[34] That wasn’t a rehash…trust me…it could go on and on…and has…so I’ll give you the last word.
[32] you won’t be surprised to learn that i’ve NEVER tasted a cupcake before! : o
(true story.)
[29] My point has always been that all these people, regardless of the end result, were knowingly and willingly trying to cheat, and assumed that they were, or they wouldn’t have kept it a secret.
Roid Sox
Building off of Crawford and Merloni, it seems as if steroids were part of the culture in Boston. That would explain why someone like Ortiz would get mixed up with them after playing in Minnesota. Most of the Yankees steroid cases, however, are really guys picking up their “habit” with other organizations and bringing them to NY.
Who says there are no moral victories in the steroid game?
[30] welcome. and Big Boli’s not bad, but let’s face it, nothing will be as on target as ARoid, and AFraud. Hate to say it, just keeping it real.
Now, this might be my Yankee bias talking, but when ARod got caught, it hurt him a lot more than it hurt the Yankees- while this news doesn’t hurt the individuals Manny and Ortiz even a fraction of how much it hurts BoSox pride. In other words, the ARod news wasn’t bigger than the Yankees, but this news is bigger than the players… it’s about the Red Sox legacy. In that sense, this is a shocker. I don’t understand why people keep saying this isnt shocking.
[41] You WIN!!!
that rocks!!!
[40] I don’t buy the knowingly trying to cheat line because by many accounts steroids were tacitly accepted.
[41] We have a winner!!!
[41] yes, that’s the perfect punchline to what I was trying to say in [43]
[43] I think many feel it isn’t shocking because we all suspected Ortiz and Manny has already been suspended. Also, the only reason this news is bigger than the players is because it removes the purity from Red Sox vanity.
[42] as much as i would like to think that too william – it seems that it is too early to make that statement – that is we still don’t know (and i don’t even really care to know) who the steroid users were.
also, can we really attribute it to an organization (well maybe texas) or more likely an individual or two who then shared his “habit” with others.
[38] many thanks.
i completely agree with you that there are way too many other factors (changing foreach individual no less, including the placebo effect) involved to come to any meaningful conclusion.
side note, but have you ever been around steroid users? in a baseball context? i’ve been around some. last year’s fly outs turn into this years homeruns. it’s not always that much more complicated.