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2010 Arizona Diamondbacks

In 2007, the Diamondbacks won the National League central with a 90-72 record despite a negative run differential that translated to a 79-83 Pythagorean record. That team, which swept the Cubs in the Division Series only to be swept by the Rockies in the NLCS, was flush with young talent including shortstop Stephen Drew, second baseman Alberto Callaspo (then a backup to Orlando Hudson), and right-fielder Carlos Quentin (all 24), third baseman Mark Reynolds, center fielder Chris Young, and back-up catcher Miguel Montero (all 23), 19-year-old right-fielder Justin Upton, 25-year-old first baseman Conor Jackson, 26-year-old catcher Chris Snyder.

That winter, Arizona flipped Quentin to the White Sox for first-base prospect Chris Carter (not the one on the Mets, the now-23-year-old slugger who lurks in Sacramento as one of the top prospects in the American League) then made a big-splash by trading Carter to the A’s with outfielder Carlos Gonzalez and left-hander Brett Anderson, among others, for starter Dan Haren. Haren, then 27, partnered with the then-29-year-old Brandon Webb to give the Diamondbacks a tremendous 1-2 punch in their rotation, and with a lineup filled with developing young talent, the team looked ready for a big break out after experiencing a bit of correction with an 82-80 second-place finish in 2008.

I was one of four SI.com “experts” to pick the Diamondbacks to win the NL West in 2009, but all of us were surely banking on the impact of Webb and Haren atop the rotation. Instead, Webb got smacked around for four innings on Opening Day and hasn’t pitched since due to shoulder issues, surgery, and subsequent set-backs. Mind you, this was a pitcher who from 2006 to 2008 went 56-25 (.691) with a 3.13 ERA and finished in the top two in the Cy Young voting each year, winning in ’06.

That was a devastating loss, but it was made no easier by the fact that the young talent in the Arizona lineup has failed to coalesce into a productive offense. Callaspo was, like Quentin, traded after the 2007 season, ultimately yielding Dontrelle Willis (via Billy Buckner) earlier this month. As for the rest, Jackson never developed power, came down with Valley Fever last year, and didn’t seem fully recovered this spring before being flipped to the A’s last week for closer prospect Sam Demel. Stephen Drew, J.D.’s little brother, slugged .502 with 21 homers in 2008 and looked primed for a breakout, but has hit just .266/.328/.430 since. Young was two stolen bases shy of a 30/30 season in 2007, but saw his production decline each of the last two years, though he seems to have finally righted his ship this season. Upton showed steady progress the last two years, but is striking out at an alarming rate this year (92 Ks in 67 games) and has seen his production regress in turn (.247/.326/.429). Montero claimed the catching job from Snyder with a break out season last year, but has played just 12 games thus far this year due to knee surgery.

Then there’s Reynolds, who had perhaps one of the most unique offensive seasons in baseball history last year when he hit 44 home runs, stole 24 bases, and shattered his own single-season strikeout record by wiffing 223 times. Reynolds’ positives (314 total bases plus 76 walks and those steals at a 73 percent success rate) out-weighed all those Ks last year, but he’s testing that balance this year having already struck out 99 times while hitting just .215/.327/.472 and stealing just three bases.

To that frustrating core, the Diamondbacks have added reheated ex-Braves Adam LaRoche and Kelly Johnson at first and second base, respectively. Johnson started the season with a wholly unexpected barrage of home runs (9 in April), but has hit just four more since while hitting .244/.355/.399. LaRoche, perhaps the game’s most notorious second-half hitter, typically hits the turbo boost around this time of year and has hit .300/.363/.546 after the All-Star break in his career.

That all adds up to one of the NL’s better offenses thus far this season, but it also makes for one of the league’s worst defenses, and the pitching staff, without Webb and with Haren’s ERA inflated by bad luck on both balls in play and fly balls leaving the yard, is suffering for it. Curiously, old pal Ian Kennedy has actually had very good luck on balls in play, and thus leads the Snakes’ staff in ERA despite a similar home run problem (which has not been a product of his new home park). Edwin Jackson, who accompanied Kennedy to Arizona in the three-way Curtis Granderson deal, however, is having similar problems to Haren, his BABIP having lept up from .278 last year to .326 this year.

The D’backs’ bullpen, meanwhile, has just been flat awful, posting a 7.14 ERA, blowing 12 saves and picking up 16 losses. Closer Chad Qualls has lost his job to ex-Met Aaron Heilman, the only Arizona reliever with an ERA below 4.00. The less said about the rest of the pen the better other than to point out that the pen has contributed to the Diamondbacks allowing the most runs in baseball thus far, having allowed 38 percent of the 405 the Snakes have give up.

Perhaps all you need to know about the Diamondbacks pitching is that tonight A.J. Burnett faces Rodrigo Lopez. Lopez resurrected his career (briefly) as a fill-in for the Phillies last year, going 3-1 with a 5.70 ERA in five starts and a pair of relief appearances. He’s been a rotation regular for the D’backs this year and pitching pretty much in line with his career rates, which means he’s not a far cry from the pitcher you might remember from his five years with the Orioles from 2002 to 2006. Lopez’s main trick this year has been pitching efficiently enough to go deep into games regardless of his ability to keep runs off the board (a product of that lousy bullpen). In his last two starts, Lopez pitched 14 innings, but allowed 11 runs. Burnett, meanwhile, is in the middle of a full-on skid, having gone 0-3 with a 9.00 ERA across just 16 innings over his last three starts. More bad numbers from those last three: nine walks against ten Ks, three hit batsmen, and six home runs allowed.

Meanwhile, outfielder Colin Curtis has been called up from Triple-A, replacing Chad Moeller on the 25- and 40-man rosters. A fourth-round pick out of Arizona State (which has also produced Ike Davis and Mike Leake in recent years) in the Yankees boffo 2006 draft, Curtis disappointed up on hitting Double-A in mid 2007, hitting .250/.311/.359 in 1,343 plate appearances above High-A from 2007 to 2009. Curtis reportedly fixed his swing before appearing in the Arizona Fall League last fall and raked there (in a hitting-friendly environment), in spring training, and for Triple-A Scranton in April (.339/.435/.441), but an ankle sprain interrupted his season and he’s been back to being awful since returning to action, hitting .226/.284/.306 in June. Even with his strong start, he’s homerless on the season. Curtis, now 25, bats lefty with a reverse split (at least this season) and can play all three outfield positions. I don’t see the point, but then I didn’t see the point in Moeller, either.

Joe Girardi runs out his primary lineup tonight. Remember, there’s no designated hitter, so A.J. Burnett hits ninth behind Brett Gardner.

Arizona Diamondbacks

2010 Record: 27-43 (.386)
2010 Pythagorean Record: 28-42 (.400)

2009 Record: 70-92 (.432)
2009 Pythagorean Record: 75-87 (.463)

Manager: A.J. Hinch
General Manager: Josh Byrnes

Home Ballpark: Chase Field

Bill James Park Indexes (2009):
LH Avg-92, LH HR-100
RH Avg-99, RH HR-110

Who’s replacing whom:

  • Adam LaRoche replaces Chad Tracy, Josh Whitesell, and Brandon Allen (minors)
  • Kelly Johnson replaces Felipe Lopez
  • Gerardo Parra inherits Conor Jackson’s playing time
  • Tony Abreu replaces Eric Byrnes
  • Rusty Ryan inherits Alex Romero’s playing time
  • Edwin Jackson replaces Doug Davis
  • Ian Kennedy replaces Max Scherzer
  • Rodrigo Lopez replaces Jon Garland
  • Dontrelle Willis replaces Yusmeiro Petit and Billy Buckner
  • Aaron Heilman replaces Jon Rauch
  • Carlos Rosa replaces Clay Zavada (minors)
  • Sam Demel is filling in for Leo Rosales (DL)

25-man roster:

1B – Adam LaRoche (L)
2B – Kelly Johnson (L)
SS – Stephen Drew (L)
3B – Mark Reynolds (R)
C – Miguel Montero (L)
RF – Justin Upton (R)
CF – Chris Young (R)
LF – Gerardo Parra (L)


R – Chris Snyder (C)
S – Augie Ojeda (IF)
R – Tony Abreu (IF)
R – Rusty Ryal (IF)
R – Ryan Roberts (IF)


R – Dan Haren
L – Dontrelle Willis
R – Edwin Jackson
R – Ian Kennedy
R – Rodrigo Lopez


R – Chad Qualls
R – Aaron Heilman
R – Juan Gutierrez
R – Esmerling Vasquez
R – Carlos Rosa
R – Blaine Boyer
R – Sam Demel

15-man DL:

RHP – Kris Benson (right shoulder strain)

60-man DL:

RHP – Brandon Webb (rehab from shoulder surgery)
RHP – Leo Rosales (stress fracture in right foot)

Typical Lineup:

L – Kelly Johnson (2B)
L – Stephen Drew (SS)
R – Mark Reynolds (3B)
L – Adam LaRoche (1B)
R – Chris Young (CF)
L – Miguel Montero (C)
R – Justin Upton (RF)
L – Gerardo Parra (LF)

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1 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:03 pm

[0] I don’t see the point, but then I didn’t see the point in Moeller, either.

Anything...ANYTHING...is better than a thirteenth pitcher.

2 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:12 pm

Ok, I'm going to try to banter on this game thread using this new iPad thingy. Let's see how it goes.

3 tommyl   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:21 pm

Thoughts on Hughes being skipped?

4 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:25 pm

[2] Oh, terrible. You'll have to go back to your laptop immediately.

[3] Had to happen. Now's as good a time as any.

5 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:29 pm

[3] What RI Yank said. That's how it goes. Seems a good time to do it as any. It actually makes the pitching matchups better for the LA series as they now have Pettitte facing Kershaw instead of Burnett.

6 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:35 pm

[4] why terrible?

[5] if hughes's innings limit is about 170-180, like most expect, he only needs to be skipped a couple of few times. It makes sense to skip him here and maybe around the all star break. At least it looks like the team has a plan, unlike last year. Then again, 170 innings are easier to accommodate than joba's 150 or so.

7 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:36 pm

[6] jk.

Have you found many uses for the iPad?

8 tommyl   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:37 pm

[5] [6] Yeah, everything you guys say I agree with, I just quake in fear at the ham job they did with Joba last year. It'd be super cool if Hughes won 20.

9 tommyl   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:40 pm

[7] I hear they make great bookends (more reason to get two!):


10 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:43 pm

[2] Thoughts on the iPad? I don't like touchscreen so not getting one.. (wait, you shelled out for the iPad but not mlb.com?!?! :)

11 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:45 pm

[7] I got it as a toy a few days ago, though I justified it as a work tool. I haven't had it long enough to see how useful it really can be. I plan to use it for simple ppt presentations and for taking notes and lite work when i travel to conferences, etc. But I am under no illusion that it's not really a productivity device and, since you need to buy a bunch of extra things to make it function as such (conector dongles, keyboard, case, etc), the thing is pretty much overpriced.

That said, it's slick and strangely addicting for surfing the web and emailing. I much prefer to use the iPad for browsing now, though refreshing the page on the game thread seems to be a bit of a hassle. I'll see. How it goes this evening.

Meanwhile, I am thinking of dropping the $15 for the MLB At Bat app, which claims to include radio broadcasts as well as a bunch of other goodies. I can usually only follow on the radio with a weak signal...if I can get the radio, especially the opposing team's play by play, for that price, I'll give it a whirl.

12 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:47 pm

[9] Ha.

[10] I love touchscreen, actually. But, for actual writing I think I wouldn't like the iPad, and it isn't all that portable (can't put it in your pocket), so I can't think of enough uses to justify the $500.

13 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:49 pm

[12] (wait, you shelled out for the iPad but not mlb.com?!?! :)

See [11], I scammed my work into paying for it, so in reality the tax payees of Canada paid for it.

It's fun, I'll say that.

14 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jun 21, 2010 8:51 pm

[11] Nice, thanks for the review.

[12] Over here in Nippon people use their flip-top cellphones for EVERYthing..web, tv, music, phone, wallet&banking, train pass, camera, video, heart-rate checker, etc...so I'm addicted to mine and never got an iPhone let alone an iPad..

15 OldYanksFan   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:08 pm

Robinson Cano, 2B (.367/.416/.607, 3.6 WAR)
Jorge Posada, C (.291/.401/.546, 1.7 WAR)
Alex Rodriguez, 3B (.277/.349/.459, 1.6 WAR)
Brett Gardner, LF (.312/.394/.417, 1.6 WAR)
Nick Swisher, RF (.293/.377/.502, 1.5 WAR)
Curtis Granderson, CF (.240/.322/.442, 1.3 WAR)
Derek Jeter, SS (.283/.336/.423, 1.0 WAR)
Mark Teixeira, 1B (.226/.344/.410, 0.4 WAR)

This is a direct cut and paste from a post by SG at RLYW (http://www.rlyw.net/) except I rearranged them from our lineup order to WAR order.

Nothing I think that surprises us, but does point out how bad Teix has been, how disappointing Jeter has been, and that ARod's number is none too hot. Cano has been otherworldly and Gritner has certainly held up very well, even as a COF.

16 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:12 pm

[15] is WAR a counting or rate stat?

17 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:21 pm

[16] Counting. The number of wins the player has contributed, above replacement.

18 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:24 pm

Thoughts on Hughes being skipped?

[3] Had to happen. Now’s as good a time as any.

No, no it's not.

I've got tickets to Friday night's game, bought specifically because Hughes was scheduled to start.

grumble, grumble, grumble.

19 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:30 pm

Hmmm, Cano's Baseball Reference player page assigns him 4.6 WAR (OYF [15] cites RLYB giving him 3.6), and the Baseball Reference front page lists him as the WAR leader (edging out Morneau).

To have 4.6 wins above replacement for the year is excellent (BR says that 5 or more is "All Star quality"). It's phenomenal at this point in the season. Well, obviously, since he's the MLB leader.

20 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:30 pm

[18] Disgraceful!

21 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:33 pm

Oh, fuck. Hughes is being skipped.

22 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:35 pm

[18] Oh, that fucking sucks! I'm soo sorry!

23 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:39 pm

[15,17,19] fangraphs has jeter at 1.7 WAR,which would extrapolate to about 4.0 for.the season, which is really quite good. Noe, if it really is 1.0, that is below jeter's usual level.

24 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:43 pm

Evening, all.

Reading all these "Yankees return to Arizona" stories makes me depressed (and nostalgic). Why did they play the infield in? WHY??

25 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:45 pm

[24] Sigh...it was that stupid strip of dirt to the pitchers mound that ruined it first..on grass, the ball is slowed and Mo fields it cleanly and...

I can't even type it, that was just the worst...

EFF YOU, Buck Showalter for that damn dirt!!

26 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:49 pm

[23] Wow, that's weird. I always thought WAR was a standard statistic, but obviously Baseball Reference and Fangraphs are using different statistics with the same name.

27 tommyl   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:50 pm

[13] Where in Canada are you? I'm in Vancouver myself right now.

Do you happen to also have a ps3? The MLB app on that is phenomenal. I can watch any game, live or DVRed in full HD, choice of broadcasts, skip to innings etc. It's awesome.

28 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:51 pm

[24] The real question is how in the fuck did Womack double.

29 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:54 pm

[24] [25] Shhhhh.
It's all right.
It's 2010 now. World Champion New York Yankees. 27 rings.

30 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:56 pm

[28] It was such a Mo type of inning, too. Seeing-eye single, a little dribbler, a failed bunt, line drive, hit batsman, bloop single. All those baserunners, one well-hit ball.

And McCarver called it. That's what haunts me, that Tim McCarver called the broken-bat single moments before Gonzo* hit it. Sigh.

*Who joined Brady Anderson as the most absurd 50-homer guys in MLB history.

31 tommyl   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:56 pm

[28] I remain convinced that Womack was later signed by the Yankees purely because of that double.

32 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:57 pm

[27] Montreal.

33 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 9:59 pm

[31] yep. It was part of the plan to sign every member of the 2001 dbacks and 2003 marlins.

34 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:02 pm

Having been to Chase Field, I must say its the nicest ballpark and shopping mall ever housed in an airplane hangar.

35 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:04 pm

Joel Sherman:

When I asked Rivera what he wanted, the great righty said, “During the season it is hard to focus on the contract. During the season, I have to do what is right by the team.”

When I asked if he would be amenable to doing what Andy Pettitte (another free-agent-to-be) does, and take one-year contracts and determine at the end of each season if he wants to continue to play, Rivera said, “Something like that would be fine.”


36 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:05 pm

The Hughes Rules have started? Yay.

37 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:06 pm

[30] Who joined Brady Anderson as the most absurd 50-homer guys in MLB history

Yeah, thtats one word you could use. I'm thinking of another one.

38 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:08 pm

[30] Well, two, really. Grace's was a hard line drive up the middle.

39 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:09 pm

[36] you can't complain yet. We went around on this earlier this year and I told you (it was not great prediction) that he had to be skipped two or thre times to stay around 170-180 innings. Nothing to see here.

Now, if they start doing weird three inning starts or bizarre start-to-bullpen-to-start things, then you can justifiably complain.

40 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:09 pm

[37] No, Luis Gonzalez was a "great guy" who "worked hard" and "grinded himself to be a slugger"...not like that evil FrankenBonds!

[36] What "Hughes Rules"? Been out of the loop recently..they are not resting him, are they??

41 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:10 pm

[36] Chad Jennings:

Surrounded by reports in the visiting clubhouse here in Phoenix, Phil Hughes was answering all of the questions you’d expect about his innings limit and his turn being skipped. When someone asked whether he knew exactly how many innings he would be allowed to pitch, Joba Chamberlain leaned over the crowd.

“High five,” he said, holding his left hand up to Hughes. “Someone else gets the question. Awesome!”

Excellent pre-game notes today at LoHud.

42 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:11 pm

I like the 'jeter swings at the first pitch thing' better when he gets a hit. Flyout, not so much.

43 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:12 pm

Don't take too long with those ab, guys.

44 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:14 pm

[39] You forgot the secret starts.

And I have no reason to believe that the team won't do everything you just said.

45 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:16 pm

The public address speaker system in the park was awful when I was there. It sounded quiet and underwater.

46 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:17 pm

[45] That's one of the water features.

47 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:18 pm

Oh, Lord.

48 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:18 pm

Wow, that was a biggish mistake.

49 tommyl   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:19 pm

Oh well, bad AJ again. I was thinking I needed to play some video games tonight anyways.

50 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:19 pm

Gameday showed what looks like a 500-ft tater by Upton..did AJ leave a stright fastball that Justin make go boom-boom?

51 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:20 pm

[50] I want the AJ Rules.

52 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:22 pm

[39] Why do you bother?

53 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:22 pm


I want The Mob Rules

54 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:23 pm

[53] I want the slide rules.

55 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:23 pm

[53] Only if that mob tears AJ apart, limb by limb ...

56 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:23 pm

Way to keep it under control, AJ. Fucking Adam fucking Laroche just drilled you.

57 Alex Belth   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:24 pm

Hit that shit over the pool. AJ...YOUSE STINK.

58 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:24 pm

I wonder if he is tipping his pitches ...

59 RIYank   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:24 pm

Oh for god's sake.

Ah, well. Now I don't feel bad about going to bed early and missing the rest of the game.

60 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:24 pm

[52] Why should I have any faith in this organization after last year?

61 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:24 pm


62 Alex Belth   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:24 pm

Stink really bad. Way to keep us in the game.

63 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:25 pm

Could Burnett be hurt?

64 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:25 pm


His velocity seems fine ...

65 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:26 pm

Anytime you want to get this third out is fine by me, AJ.

66 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:26 pm

all they need is a triple for the team cycle in the inning ...

67 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:27 pm

AJ Burnett has to be one of the least enjoyable pitchers to watch in baseball. Even when he's on, he often looks like he has no idea where the ball is going. It just moves enough to make up for it.

68 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:28 pm

What we all feared from AJ last year...it's arrived!
Seriously disgraceful performance against an awful team..

69 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:30 pm

Well, he got a K. That should help my fantasy team

70 Eirias   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:30 pm

I picture Javier Vazquez dressed like Snidely Whiplash, in a black suit and top hat, twirling his mustache and cackling at A.J.'s predicament.

71 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:30 pm

[44] they already said the secret starts do not count against the innings cap.

[52] oh, I only bother once and a while, and i have been away frothe banter for more more than a month.

[60] I hope you see the staggering irony of that statement, even though I know what you are trying to say.

72 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:30 pm

Man, I'm going to nickname AJ "The Doctor", because wherever he goes, sick teams get better ...

73 Eirias   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:31 pm

Also, what is the grammatical rule regarding possessives and initials?

74 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:31 pm

[71] That first one was obviously a joke that went over my head.

75 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:32 pm

AJ's ERA went up by half a run in that one inning.

76 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:32 pm

If nothing else, we're facing Rodrigo Lopez.

77 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:32 pm


A.J. is D.O.A.?

78 Boatzilla   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:32 pm

[14] But Dude, if you had an iPhone and shelled out a mere 130 bucks for the MLB Premium Package, you could be watching the Yankees on your iPhone right now!

Well, maybe right now is not a good time to be watching, but tomorrow, when Andy's pitching...yeah, that's the ticket...

79 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:33 pm

This is going to be one of those games, isn't it?

80 Boatzilla   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:34 pm

I can't believe he didn't even try to hit anyone out of frustration. He didn't throw one inside pitch.

81 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:36 pm

Oh Christ.

82 Boatzilla   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:36 pm

[79] At least now I can concentrate on my work. I've got some headlines to write.

83 Eirias   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:37 pm

Dylan Thomas would not be impressed, Yankees.

84 SteveF   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:38 pm

Watching this on ESPN3.com. I assume it's not possible inside the New York market.

Lopez is a mentally tough pitcher. Even when he doesn't have his best stuff he usually doesn't get shelled. He's the anti-AJ to some extent. Looks like he has decent stuff tonight.

85 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:41 pm

Oh, you know what I really want to see? The Yankees strike out looking against Rodrigo Lopez all night

86 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:43 pm

Dear AJ, pitchers are supposed to throw batting practice *before* the game.


87 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:44 pm

[74] it is what it is. They said that the simulated starts he threw at the start of the season, when he was skipped in the rotation, do not count against his innings cap.

I don't care if it makes sense, all i care about is the ramifications for the season. At 6.3 innings per start, which is what Hughes is averaging, he can make 28 starts or so during the season and still remain at 180 innings. Right now he is on pace for about 29 or 30 starts. So they need to skip him once or twice, maybe three times over the restbof the season. I'm not sure i see what all the fuss is about, really.

88 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:47 pm

This infield may be quick and all, but Jeter really showed his diminishing range on that play.

89 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:47 pm

[87] I didn't mean simulated starts. I meant keeping the date of his next start a secret from the pitcher himself, like Girardi did with Chamberlain last year.

90 SteveF   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:49 pm

He's just catching too much of the plate with those pitches and not getting away with it, though arguably the last two hits could have been turned into outs. Neither was an easy play, of course.

91 OldYanksFan   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:49 pm

FanGraphs (FG) has Jeter at 1.7 WAR at Gritner at 1.8 WAR
BR.com has Jeter at 1.0 WAR at Gritner at 2.5 WAR
So... I have no idea what gives.

FG says an 8 WAR is about MVP quality, so if Cano is at 4.6 (4.4 by FG), he is headed for a 10-ish WAR, which is insane.
One variable might be what is considered 'replacement level', but there is no excuse for the inconsistant differences between BR and FG.

And is replacement Level a static stat, relative to something, varying from year to year?

SG is usually a guru with stats, so I don't know where he is getting his numbers from. It doesn't seem like either BR of FG.

92 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:50 pm

This is quite the spectacle.

93 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:50 pm

I've never seen another pitcher flat out quit as much as AJ Burnett. The scariest part is he is signed for three more years. Of course, Girardi isnt smart enough to realize that sending Burnett out for another inning was going to lead to even more runs.

Meanwhile, the Yankees continue the charade of playing Arod.

The Yankees are a poorly run team.

94 Boatzilla   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:51 pm

Jaysus-farging-christ. What's with the 2-out rallies. I really should stop watching.

95 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:52 pm

[93] David Wells?

96 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:53 pm

[91] WAR is not very useful. It relies on a subjective replacement value and incorporates unreliable defensive metrics.

97 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:55 pm

[95] Wells had that rep earlier in his career, but he overcame it.

98 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:56 pm

Wasn't in Daniel Cabrera that hurt Jeter a few years back?

99 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:56 pm

[95] [97] I assume he's referring to Game 5 of the '03 WS.

100 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:57 pm

[99] That was a legitimate injury, so I wouldn't consider it quiting.

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101 Raf   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:57 pm

[93] It's not so much quitting as not having anything. Can't wait tomorrow to see all the "AJ can't pitch to Posada" articles

102 SteveF   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:57 pm

[91] I suspect they are using different defensive metrics. Jeter is all over the map defensively depending on the chosen metric.

103 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:57 pm

[97] I seem to recall Wells giving up in the 2002 ALDS, in an elimination game no less.

I liked Boomer alot too, but he had his share of these games.

104 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:58 pm


It would be nice if we could stop giving up runs, because the Score Truck is going to show up for us this game ...

105 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:59 pm

[101] He is throwing 95 with some good curves. It's not that he has nothing. Rather, as soon as something doesn't go his way, he simply starts throwing. In other words, he quits being a pitcher.

I really hope Teixeira isn't going to tell us about all the homeruns he hit last week if he winds up going back into another slump. Against a bad pitcher like Lopez, that's a spot where Tex has to come through.

106 Raf   ~  Jun 21, 2010 10:59 pm

[103] He didn't quit that game, the Angels were just that good. Big innings happen from time to time

107 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:01 pm

[106] Exactly...they did it to the Yankees, Twins and Giants all post season.

108 Raf   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:01 pm

[105] Since when has Burnett been a pitcher? He never has an idea as to where the ball is going. He was like that as a Marlin as a Jay, so it shouldn't be surprising that he does it as a Yankee

109 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:03 pm

Colin Curtis looks like Tanyon Sturtz

110 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:04 pm

[108] I don't agree with that at all. When Burnett is pitching well, he locates his fastball and mixes in the curve. When things start goig against him, he reverts to trying to throw as hard as possible. You could see it in the first inning. He was locating a 92-93 heater, but as soon as he got beat by Upton, out came the 94-95 leaking over the middle.

111 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:05 pm

Hello Yankee Fans,
Frustrated? Maybe Joe should have pinched hit for AJ the last inning. The score truck could be a Kenilworth tandem this game, but it has to stop for the dBs right now.
I was not able to pay attention the last few innings, but I had an idea of what was going on by the sound. Nice of the Yanks to give the Phoenix Phans some thrills.
AJ again will hint that Posada is the reason...

112 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:05 pm

I just imagined a pen with no lefties and smiled.

113 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:08 pm

Meanwhile, where is Dave Eiland? Maybe Burnett would benefit from having him around.

114 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:11 pm

Who are the Yankees fooling? Arod should have been placed on the disabled list. Batting him fourth has really hurt the Yankees.

115 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:11 pm

Ohforfuckssake, its Rodrigo god damned Lopez

116 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:13 pm

Age really seems to have finally caught up to the Yankees.

117 Raf   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:14 pm

[110] How does that relate to quitting? Burnett has never been known for his control, it isn't often that he is able to locate the fastball.

118 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:14 pm

O,those nightmarish memories of the last time the Yankees were in Phoenix...that is a cold sweat kind of feeling. Conjures up 9/11, and how great the Yankees were for the city until that last inning. That it happened to Mo, made it at least survivable.

My son was just shy of 7 at the time. It was his kenboyer moment.

119 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:16 pm

Oh, please tell me how AJ has settled down Kay. I know its coming.

120 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:16 pm

[114] now this IS a beef I have with the yanks...they do seem to dick around with players in order to avoid the DL.

Meanwhile, though, listening to not-Sterling-Waldman is quite enjoyable. I'm starting to remember how nice it is to listen to baseball, despite the score.

121 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:18 pm

Ugh, now Kay has to bring it up.

122 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:18 pm

What a miserable night that was.

123 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:18 pm

[116] probably, but the best record in the league seems to soften the reality some.

124 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:19 pm

Luis Gonzalez is...smaller

125 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:20 pm

[117] It relates to quiting because for AJ to locate at times, he has to dial back the fast ball a bit and really battle through at bats. In games like this, however, he quickly abandons that approach (quits) and instead starts trying to throw the ball as hard as he possibly can. AJ likes to talk about he learned from Halladay that less is more, but in too many starts, he simply reverts to be a thrower.

126 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:21 pm

AJ against 9-1-2 hitters: 0-8
AJ against everyone else: 8-10, 2 BB, 3 HR

127 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:23 pm

[123] The best record in the league on June 21 is nice, but they pay off in October. Watching Jeter, Posada and Arod age before out eyes puts all the more pressure on Cano, Swisher and Gardner to stay hot. Can that trio keep it up all year? I don't know, but if not, the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

128 mjpucci   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:23 pm

[126] Check that: 8-11. Don't want to short-change AJ.

129 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:25 pm

Well then

130 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:25 pm

Well, that was fun while it lasted.

Can we please put me out of my misery and pinch hit for AJ next inning?

131 Raf   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:25 pm

[125] And that's the way it has been over his career. He gets lit up whether he's throwing low, mid or high 90's. His control isn't good enough where he can locate the fastball no matter the velocity.

132 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:25 pm

Does Girardi really expect Burnett to find it? Just because the pitcher quit doesn't mean the manager must as well. Burnett's performance is inexcusable, but Girardi's incompetence is a much bigger problem.

133 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:27 pm

Have the Yankees ever won a game in this building?

134 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:27 pm

[131] And that's why I said I've never seen a pitcher quit as much as Burnett. Instead of grind, Burnett prefers to simply throw when he doesn't have his command.

135 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:27 pm

AJ is down to his last nerve, he will not be back next inning.

136 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:28 pm

[132] He's just out there to eat as many innings as possible here. With Mitre out the bullpen is short long guys.

Anyways, I expect he'll be hitting the showers in about 2 batters ...

137 Raf   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:30 pm

[134] Command that he has never had. There is no "grind" to it, he's a two pitch pitcher who can barely control either of them.

138 RagingTartabull   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:32 pm

I have nothing to add other than there may never have been a more overrated pitcher to step on the mound for the Yankees over the past 20 years than David Wells. I stand by that statement.

139 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:33 pm

Run, Gritner, run!

140 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:33 pm

Nice move here to get Curtis an at bat with his parents in the stadium.

141 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:36 pm

[127] that sounds a bit dramatic. Declaring that these guys geriatrics (I assume of course that you mean aging in dramatic fashion, since literally everyone is aging before our eyes) in June strikes me as a bit overwrought.

142 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:36 pm

[136] Well, if Girardi is throwing in the towel, then he should remove Arod, Jeter and Posada from the game. At 5-0, I think the Yankees still had a chance, but those two extra runs were huge.

[137] I completely disagree with the notion that AJ Burnett never has command. He often does...his problem is that when he doesn't have it, he quits trying.

143 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:38 pm

You'll like this William

Actually, Maddon has become increasingly intrigued by the idea of giving up the DH in certain situations by putting him in the field to allow more flexibility.

“The thing that I’ve really played with a lot this year is there’s really no reason why you can’t put your DH in the game in an American League game,” he said. “The fact that he can play defense, that’s one thing we have going for us. Whoever DHs for us is able to play a position and play it pretty well, actually.”

...“I’ve become more comfortable with that this year,” Maddon said. “It really expands your bench further, where you don’t have to minimize your movements. You can leave this guy in the game. You can move the pitcher’s spot around and you have plenty of options to choose from to pinch-hit for that pitcher if he happens to show up later.

“Of course, it’s only going to happen when you’re down. … And whenever you’re losing a game, you’ll do whatever it takes to win.”

144 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:39 pm

[142] i think AJ Burnett's pitches often wind up low in the strikezone. I'm not sure that its always by design.

145 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:40 pm


Did the Score Truck forget its papers???

146 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:43 pm

[141] Dramatic? Maybe, but Arod and Posada are both batting injuries, while Jeter's splits include several red flags.

147 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:43 pm

[145] It might be stuck at the border in Nogales. I also thought that Swish was going to bring this game back to a possible last inning.

148 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:44 pm

Adam LaRoche is some kind of ugly.

149 Raf   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:44 pm

[142] Burnett is a FB/CB pitcher that doesn't have command of his fastball (no matter the velocity), and doesn't thow his curve for strikes. He may put it together for a few starts, but it's just as likely that he won't.

150 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:45 pm

[143] Maddon is the kind of manager the Yankees should have. It's too bad the best talent can't be paired with a creative manager. Had he been the Yankee manager, I am convinced the Yankees would have 4 or 5 more wins.

151 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:45 pm

[143] I love it, not only because it's creative, but also because it holds out the hope that teams will start carrying a longer bench. The only thing I disagree with is that you would only domit when down. Why? If you have a DH who can play some defense, I can imagine situations where you might swap out a player late, perhaps to try to score an extra run with a PR,and then use the dh in the fieldmfor an inning or two despite holding a lead.

153 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:48 pm

I refuse to believe that this is "just the way Reynolds hits" There have been plenty of people in baseball history that hit 40 homers without striking out 200 times. Reynolds is doing something wrong.

154 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:50 pm

[150] Well, we'll never know. With all due respect to you, we still have to give Girardi the benefit of the doubt with the team defending a world championship with the premiere record in baseball. Even with the "best" players, and the highest payroll (boy, is Hughes a bargain), the game has to played, and million dollar men are still only human.

155 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:50 pm

[149] So, Burnett never throws strikes? According to fangraphs, 61% of his career pitches have been strikes, so he is getting something over. Burnett's problem is not that he never has command...it's that he doesn't know what to do when he doesn't have it.

156 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:50 pm

From LoHud:

UPDATE, 11:55 p.m.: A foul ball into the press box just hit off the official scorer’s hands and bounced out into the crowd. He literally announced to the press box that he was declaring an error on himself. “It hit my hand,” he said.

157 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:51 pm

[155] Whats the swinging strike percentage?

158 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:52 pm

Ugh. Got lucky there.

159 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:52 pm

To this ump, at the knees and over the plate doesn't seem to register as a strike.

160 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:55 pm

[154] It's definitely just an opinion, but I don't get your point about Girardi. Even if he is a good manager of people, that doesn't mean a team like the Yankees shouldn't also aim to have a good game manager. While it's true the Yankees can win with Girardi, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the best possible manager. Also, it should be noted that Girardi did oversee the Yankees only non playoff season in 15 years.

161 thelarmis   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:56 pm

jesus fucking h. christ. i come home from work to this pile of crap? fuck you AJ. thanks for ruining dinner and a rare chance to actually watch half a yanks game.


oh, and cult - ya know how i have very limited texts? my best friend just sent me like 14 gajillion in a row. one word per fucking text. cursing me out (as is our wont). he's an asshole... : )

i was having a good day... : /

fuck baseball fields that have swimming pools. and fuck luis gonzalez. scurt schilling and bob brenly, too...

162 monkeypants   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:56 pm

[154] plus Girardi is, apparently, saddled withbthe core of veteran stars aging before our eyes...or is that his fault too?

Sarcasm aside, I am not a huge girardi fan, but I am not convinced that he is much below average either, or that Maddon in five games better than him at this point in the season.

163 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:56 pm

[157] They don't break it down.

164 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:58 pm

[162] It is his fault when he refuses to make concessions to that reality.

165 thelarmis   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:58 pm

tex and a-rod fear my ranting!

robbie, not so much...

166 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 21, 2010 11:59 pm

C'mon JoPo, make Nostralarmis' dinner!

167 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:00 am

[155] According to Fangraphs Burnett's Zone% (Percentage of pitches seen inside the strike zone, for anyone interested) is 50.8 for his career and 46.9 on the season.

168 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:01 am

Better, but not great.

169 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:02 am

[160] Injuries are the reason the Yanks missed the playoffs in 2008, not Girardi.

170 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:03 am

[160] Maybe being a "good" manager of people, effects being a "good" game manager. These players are not cogs in a machine, and making some of the moves that you profess might change the dynamic of the team. Even these "professionals" have egos, pride, and weaknesses.
Girardi gets a bye for his first year. It was an injury nightmare, with ownership in transition.

Nice to see the score truck heading west on I-10 again!

171 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:03 am

[169] Germans? Pearl Harbor???

172 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:03 am

[169] "Injuries *were* the reason"

173 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:04 am

[167] It looks like the league average is 47.2%, so Burnett has been an average command pitcher.

174 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:05 am

[171] Forget it, he's rolling :)

175 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:06 am

Hmmm ... has Gaudin gotten back to where he was at the end of last season?

That would be ... semi-useful.

176 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:06 am



177 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:06 am

[173] Ok, then I'll concede the point about Burnett being a mindless chucker, but I believe that his control is more Ollie Perez than Greg Maddux

178 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:07 am


179 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:09 am

[162] I think Joe Girardi 2008 was absolutely below average. Everything he did, from the various "is he hurt-yes he is-no he isn't" sagas to is on field MOVEZ seemed designed to trick someone, and no one was ever fooled. Except for maybe Joe himself. It just made him look like a liar to the public and a fool when he was on the bench. He's improved somewhat since then, although she still enjoys making pointless moves.

180 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:09 am

[177] And having his numbers around league average would lead me to believe that he'll be bad as often as he is good.

181 thelarmis   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:10 am

holy ouch. that's gotta hurt like a mutha. i hope he'll be okay.

man, if i were a pitcher and god forbid i hit someone, there's NO way i couldn't go run over to him immediately, apologize profusely and find out if he's okay...

182 monkeypants   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:11 am

[164] what precisely is he supposed to do about that, outside of requesting that, say, A-rod go on the DL so peña or Russo can start for two weeks? Bat Jeter ninth?

Seriously, it's the job of the GM to deal with an aging team. The manager can only do so much with the pieces that he is given. The team as is does not present Girardi many options for dealing with the supposed reality that you posit (everybody becoming old and decrepit at once).

183 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:11 am

[179] He hasn't improved, his players got healthy. Makes a big difference when you have 9 decent hitters in the lineup as opposed to the 6 they were running out there in 08. Jeter's "off" year didn't help matters much either.

184 thelarmis   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:13 am

holy shit, he's a very very fast man.

185 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:14 am


Well, done, Gritner!

186 monkeypants   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:14 am

[179] as far as i can tell, nearly every manager enjoys making pointless pitching moves, largely because they carry so many pointless pitchers who 'need to get work.'

Yet another argument for smaller pitching staffs.

187 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:16 am

Run, Gritner, run!!

188 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:17 am

A little off topic, isn't Cano something else on the field? He made the pivot to first look effortless while a very angry Upton was bearing down. Ole'

189 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:20 am

If Gardner went during Huffman's at bat, we'd likely have a run.

If he'd gone during Jeter's at bat, we'd likely have a run.

Instead, we've got a runner at third.

190 thelarmis   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:20 am

god fucking dammit, tex.

191 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:20 am

[189] And no runs.

192 thelarmis   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:20 am

[189] exactly. i was thinking the same thing. now, i'm just seething...

193 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:21 am

[186] The pointless pitching moves annoy me, particularly when it involves bringing in awful lefties for the sake of using a lefty and the obsession with having *two lefties,* but I think that is par for the course with most managers.

The pointless moves I was talking about are more the pinch runners that do nothing or the bad defensive replacements. In 2008, he would invent ways to get Betemit in late in the game, despite his inability to field or run. But no one expected it, I guess.

194 randym77   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:22 am

Went to a Staten Island Yankees game tonight, to see some of the Yanks' new draft picks. They lost, but many of the fans were looking forward to going home to see Yankees game. Little did we know they'd be down 0-5 by the time we got home.

195 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:27 am

[180] Pettitte is at 49.2% this year, so I don't think you can read that much into it.

[182] You can be more hands on and employ a little bit of strategy. I've talked about how Maddon has used the squeeze this season, but I'd settle for giving Huffman the take sign on 2-0 last inning.

196 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:28 am

[189] Another good example of how a more proactive manager could have helped a team in a tough game.

197 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:28 am

[189] Gardner= super fast, but not so great of a base stealer. He looks afraid of getting caught leaning and picked off, and his jumps while stealing are not so great, but he makes up for it with pure speed. He should be stealing a whole lot more while on base, and I guess he has to learn the skill.

198 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:32 am

[197] Gardner isn't the best at getting a read, but when Huffman swings 2-0 and Jeter follows by hacking at the first pitch, well, that doesn't give him much time to take off.

199 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:34 am

[198] True...true.

200 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:36 am


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201 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:40 am

Disgraceful...the Yankees have lost games to Moyer, Kendrick, Takahashi and now Rodrigo Lopez.

202 randym77   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:40 am

Cy Lopez is at 103 pitches. Wonder if they'll bring him back out?

203 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:43 am

[195] Eyeballing Burnett's numbers, they all seem to be around league average.

204 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:44 am

[201] Yeah, that is a shame. If the team won those games, they would have been in first by even more.

205 thelarmis   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:44 am

i'm glad we have hinske to pinch hit in the 9th.

oh, wait...

206 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:45 am

[203] Good AJ + Bad AJ / 2 = Average AJ

207 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:45 am

[204] You say that as if having a bigger lead isn't a good thing?

208 thelarmis   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:47 am

that could've been disastrous.

[201] infuriating.

209 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:47 am

[205] But we have Chan Ho and a manager who loves to use him!

210 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:48 am

[201] THey've also beat Halliday, Liriano, Santana, Pelfrey among others

211 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:49 am

[207] No, not really. I just don't think that you can say that a team with the best record in the game is really disgraceful.

212 thelarmis   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:50 am

[209] Pepto!

213 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:52 am

Forget it boys, it's Bantertown ...

214 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:53 am

AZ has a coast, you learn something new everyday :)

215 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:53 am

Well, that's that ...

216 thelarmis   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:53 am

grab the "pepto"

well, this is disgraceful.

i guess his elbow is okay...

217 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:53 am

From 0-2 to a 3 run HR... damn

218 randym77   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:54 am

Sigh. Just when I was thinking Park was doing better than expected.

219 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:54 am

Damn, I guess Upton wasn't hit hard enough...

220 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:54 am

Darn hanging sliders

221 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:57 am

[211] When they throw away four games it is disgraceful, regardless of their record at the time.

Has Girardi seen enough of Park yet? If not, has Cashman? What an incredibly poor off season Cashman had.

222 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 12:59 am

[214] Rocky Point on the Sea of Cortez in Mexico is only about 200 miles away from Phoenix

223 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:02 am

Damn, I thought that might get out.

224 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:03 am

What was Gardner thinking?

225 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:03 am

[221] You mean like thrown away like a prize fight? What exactly are you implying?

226 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:04 am

[225] I am implying that it is a disgrace that the Yankees lost four games to subpar pitchers in the same week.

227 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:07 am

Has Jeter been walking more of late?

228 Raf   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:07 am

Wish Jeter would have more AB's like that one...

229 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:08 am


230 Mattpat11   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:08 am

Kay's inability to read outfielders has been really displayed tonight

231 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:09 am

[226] Dems the breaks, every pitcher gets up with their best stuff when they face the Yankees, except the aces.

232 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:10 am

We'll get them tomorrow. AJ was wack, and the hitting was jet lagged.

233 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 22, 2010 1:11 am

Ah well, that was disappointing.

Off to bed, gotta get up early for the footie!

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