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The Hard Way

The last two times the Yankees lost the first game of a series, they bounced back to win the next two and the series, doing so in Oakland and at home against the Blue Jays. The Rangers pose more of a challenge, but the Yanks hope to repeat the feat starting tonight as veteran lefty Andy Pettitte takes on 22-year-old lefty prospect Derek Holland.

Andy got smacked around a bit in his last start, but the Yankees scored 20 runs, so not many people noticed or cared. Prior to that he’d been awesome in the second half with five quality starts in six tries, a 2.04 ERA, and a 4.3 K/BB. Against the Rangers on June 3, he gave up four runs on seven hits and six walks in just five innings.

Holland started against the Yankees on May 27 and gave up six runs (five earned) on ten hits and two walks. He then gave up two more runs to them in relief the following week. Along the way, the rookie gave up homers to Derek Jeter, Hideki Matsui, and Kevin Cash (!). He’s come a long way since then, however, and has posted a 2.95 ERA in seven starts since returning to the rotation in mid-July. He’s been particularly sharp in his last four starts: 1.85 ERA, 0.91 WHIP, 3.5 K/9. The best of those outings was a three-hit, eight-strikeout shutout of the Angels, with his 8 2/3 innings of one-run, two-hit, ten-K ball against the Mariners finishing second.

Johnny Damon sits today. Nick Swisher bats second. Jerry Hairston Jr. bats ninth and plays left. Everyone else is in their usual places.

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1 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 5:32 pm

Oh, good, with Swisher batting second he'll have several chances to bunt Jeter forward to second base.

2 The Hawk   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:05 pm

I don't like Swisher batting second.

3 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:38 pm

I anticipated [1]. I don't get [2].

4 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:46 pm

Hey, Team, I need some help. I'm bringing the kid and the nephew to the game tomorrow, but can't find any info on The Rules. Particularly, do they still have that unbearable, draconian rule about no backpacks? Are tote bags allowed? Can a brother bring in his own water?

And what's the least expensive, quality food available?

5 The Hawk   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:47 pm

[3] Swisher's useful but he's a funky kind of useful. If it's all about OBP then bat him first, I like I guy who gets hits to hit second (and first too, I'm just saying if he had to bat above 6th ...)

Don't get me wrong, I like Swisher on the team - I prefer him to Abreu, anyway.

6 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:48 pm

[4] No backpacks or totes allowed, only clear plastic bags. If you have something else you're gonna have to check it at either Stan's or the bowling alley. As far as the water I'm 99.99% sure plastic bottles are fine.

7 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:50 pm

[4] oh and if you want cheap food, honestly your best bet is to just get there early and grab lunch at Yankee Tavern or something and then just get picky stuff at the stadium.

8 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:54 pm

[6] Jesus. Where does one even get a clear plastic bag?

What do people do who come directly from work or from life, and have their bags?

And thanks, RT.

9 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:55 pm

[4] You can bring unopened bottles of water, but if you've opened it, they'll make you dump it or toss it. That means no containers from home.

10 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:55 pm

[8] oh it sucks, I have a 12 game midweek plan and come straight from work in the financial district...I have spent more time at the bowling alley across the street then I ever really wanted to

11 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Aug 26, 2009 6:56 pm

[8] The get furious at what a crappy organization the Yankees are. Don't get me started . . .

12 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:01 pm

Cheers, Cliff.

RT, how does that work? The bowling alley doubles as the YS coatcheck? What do they charge for that service? And do they give you shoes to wear to the game?

13 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:04 pm

[12] yeah the bowling alley is $5 to check bags and Stan's is $7. You don't get shoes...but the alley actually does make a halfway decent plate of chicken fingers for whatever that's worth.

[11] to be fair I think they've improved markedly since the kids took over, far from perfect...but improved

14 Raf   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:04 pm

12 - You go to the bowling alley, pay whatever they ask, then you receive a ticket. I think it was $5 the last time I was there

15 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:05 pm

Oooh ... this commercial is a little too evocative of Billy Mays ...

16 Raf   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:06 pm

[13] I think Cliff was referring to the entire experience, running the gamut from bag check to a-holeish security.

17 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:07 pm

Man, when I was a kid it was all so easy. We went to the game, got there a little early, got autographs (I got Andre Robertson to autograph the underbill of my Yankees cap, but it soon faded from perspiration), went to your seat, waited a couple of innings and then moved down to one of the many vacant box seats behind the first base dugout.

18 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:08 pm

[11] Every big league ballpark is as restrictive as YSIII. I just went to a Met game and was patted down for goodness sake. Increased security is definitely not unique to the Yankees.

19 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:08 pm

anyone care to venture a guess on how tall coney really is, because singleton towers over him (in fact all the yes guys do).

[15] yeah - i thought that too

20 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:11 pm

For weeping:

Bags and Backpacks
Diaper bags, small backpacks, small purses and bags are permitted. However, in accordance with Major League Baseball security regulations, bags larger than 16 x 16 x 8 inches will not be allowed into the Stadium. Briefcases, large backpacks, large purses and bags, coolers and hard-sided bags and containers are also not permitted. All bags must be thoroughly inspected before they are permitted into the Stadium. Box templates shall be used at inspection points, and bags and their contents must fit without assistance, modification or adjustment. The Yankees reserve the right to inspect any bags, clothing or other articles prior to entry into Yankee Stadium and prohibit entry or require removal of any items the Yankees deem inappropriate or potentially injurious to Yankee Stadium, other patrons or field personnel.

21 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:13 pm

Uh oh...not the way to begin.

22 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:13 pm

[20] Ah, thanks, william! So that means my kid can bring his little kid-sized Yankee backpack? That'd be helpful.

23 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:14 pm

weeping here is the "official" guidelines from the yanks

if your son and nephew really want food in the stadium the fries/garlic fries aren't bad (though naturally over priced they aren't that expensive)

24 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:15 pm

i really would like to see a nicely pitched game for the yankees today - please oblige andy

nice dp team

25 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:15 pm

The law firm of Rodriguez and Rodriguez ....

26 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:15 pm

You couldn't PAY me to eat at Blimpie ...

27 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:15 pm

Nicely turned, boys.

28 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:16 pm

[23] the garlic fries are great in an "I know that I'm immediately going to regret this decision" kinda way

29 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:16 pm

[22] Yep...it's really not that restrictive. I frequently bring a decent sized bag that more than accomodates the basics. With a little preparation, getting through security shouldn't be a problem. I would also recommend entering Gate 8. It means you don't enter into the Great Hall along Babe Ruth way, but there is never a line and the security seems a lot more relaxed without the pressure of the crowds.

30 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:16 pm

Oooh .... Marlon Byrd is out with kidney stones ..... ooooowwww!

31 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:18 pm

[23] Cheers, Ms. O. What about something like a pulled pork sandwich? Or some other bbq?

All I know is I'm *NOT* paying ten dollars for a crappy, boiled hot dog. The kid, of course, wants cracker jacks, bless his soul. If they're under ten dollars, I'll try to oblige him.

32 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:18 pm

[23] They aren't bad, but they definitely don't spare the garlic! I wouldn't recommend buying them unless you bring a bottle of mouthwash.

Forget the Stadium food. The kind fo things kids will want aren't way too expensive and probably not that good. Just go to McDonalds right across the street. You can definitely bring that into the park.

33 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:18 pm

[29] Gate 8, check!

34 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:20 pm


Have your cel phone out and ready to show them (I'm serious)

35 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:21 pm

[31] The Jimmy's BBQ pulled pork sandwich is ok...I am not a fan of Jimmy's as it is, but this was surprisingly tasty. The only problem is the portion is small for $9 and you have to they are stingy with the BBQ sauce.

Don't buy Cracker Jacks at the Stadium!! There are 10 places with a block where you can get them much cheaper.

36 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:21 pm

[32] I'm against McDonalds, but perhaps can bring something else. Will I have to hide it in my kid's backpack, or how does that work?

37 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:21 pm

I hope that's the last time they mention last night's game.

38 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:22 pm

[32] yeah they go insane with the garlic.
william's right that you are better off bringing something in, i'm just thinking of something to get in like the 7th inning or something if the boys get hungry and you need something to tide you over
never had any type of bbq - the steak sandwich is supposed to be good, but very expensive

39 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:23 pm

Very interesting article on the overzealous Feds chasing B. Bonds.

40 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:23 pm

[38] I'd love to just bring food, but was worried they'd confiscate it.

41 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:23 pm

[34] That's the most comical thing. You could have 100lbs of TNT strapped to your back and they wouldn't know, but if you convert your cell phone into an explosive, they have that covered. Of course, I usually just say I don't have a cell phone and no one asks any questions. At Citifield, they don't check your cell phone, but they frisk you like you are entering Rikers.

42 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:25 pm

[36] [40] Nope...you can bring in all the food you want. There is also Burger King nearby as well as the Court Street Deli (Alex had a good post about it last year) not too far away either (although a but out of the way, especially with kinds).

43 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:25 pm

There's some Turkey Hill sherbet that my 13 year old loved. Cherry and lemon, I believe. Striped. Not expensive.
They also have actual water fountains, and you can, of course, re-fill a bottle, so you don't have to spend $50 to stay hydrated on a hot day (we were at a day game).

44 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:26 pm

Nice curve, Andy.

Oh, and Ms. O, I'd say Cone's about 5'9". I always find it comical just how dwarfed he is by Kay.

45 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:27 pm

So maybe Andy will be able to handle the bottom part of the order...

46 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:27 pm

[43] Water fountains! How novel! And they work?

47 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:28 pm

Well done, Andy.

48 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:28 pm

Oh, and [3] I hate being predictable.
On the other hand, someone had to say it, so I don't mind taking one for the team.

49 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:29 pm

[46] Well, see, that's the thing. Everything works. It really does help one get over nostalgia for the old place...

50 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:31 pm

Nice hit, Alex.

51 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:31 pm

Can anyone tell me if the football field I saw in the overhead shot that sits near the 2 stadiums is new?
I don't recall seeing it before.

52 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:32 pm

[48] I am glad you did....it saved me from having to do it. I was just about over last night's game when I had the misfortune of hearing an interview with Joba and Girardi. The responses were so dumb founding that I almost drove off the road.

53 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:32 pm

[44] 5'9" sounds about right - i thought he was barely taller than me
yeah he is just dwarfed by those guys

hope you and your son and nephew enjoy the game weeping - be curious to hear your impressions

54 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:32 pm

Wow, that's a rule I didn't know. I thought that was a balk.

55 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:33 pm

[51] Yep...it was built ontop of the old players parking lot.

56 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:33 pm

[52] I'm glad you didn't, william. That would have been unacceptable.

57 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:34 pm

[54] I have always wondered why pitcher's risk a wild pitch on an IBB when they can simply lick their fingers 4 times.

58 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:34 pm

[52] Similar: I was pretty much shrugging it off, then I read some comments at River Avenue. Yeesh.

Sports radio here: all over Youkilis. Does NY radio know about his interview scolding Boston for being so negative? Man, Youk could use a publicity consultant, what a dopey move.

59 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm


60 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm

Wow...that was really tagged.

61 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm

Wow .... that brought rain!

62 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm

po with the rally killing 3 run hr!!!

63 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm


I swear, I thought they might be running another replay!

64 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm

[58] what did ugly say/do riyank?

65 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm

[58] How ironic...Youk, the ultimate complainer, complaining about Boston fans complaining too much. Rich.

66 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm

Ah, I missed David Cone.

67 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:36 pm

[52] Thanks, I'm sure it'll be fab! He's been to I think two (maybe three?) big league games. We saw the Yanks at Comiskey (or whatever [JORGIE!!!!!!!] it was called at the time) and once at the Stadium, a couple years ago. Turned out to have been bat day, so he got a black Gary Sheffield bat which has since rotted to nothing having been left under the elements one too many days.

Man, Jorgie really smacked that ball.

68 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:37 pm

[55] Thanks.

69 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:37 pm

I love how Cone gets into things, "Robinson Cano gettin' *tied up!*"

He has a very funny way of expressing his excitement. He kind of growls amusingly.

70 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:37 pm

The worst part of the Joba interview wasn't the fact that he said he threw alot of good pitches and had great mechanics, nor was it that he chimed in with his "the sun came up" reaction. Rather, Little Orphan Joba proudly stated that he NEVER watches film and NEVER dwells on what happened in a previous start.

71 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:38 pm

[65] Strikingly, many sports talk radio callers said it was ironic. (I'm very surprised when sports radio callers know what "ironic" means.)

Ms. Oct, I'll have to look for the actual article. I can't say I read it, just heard the aftermath.

72 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:38 pm

[57] Maybe so they leave open the chance to do that Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk thing.

73 tocho   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:38 pm

[57] that would be really funny. there must be something that prevents that

74 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:39 pm


Hmmmm .... Milton Bradley complained the same way about the Cub fans just the other day ...

75 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:39 pm

Hey, it's Paul!

76 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:40 pm


Maybe they can have Paul sing "God Bless America" tonight ...

77 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:40 pm

Here's the money quote.

"But there’s a lot of stuff that goes on. People portray people. I’ve been portrayed as a guy who breaks helmets and breaks bats. I don’t do that. The only reason I have a new helmet this year is because the padding wore out on the ear flap of my old one.

“Whatever. But when I see negative stuff all the time, that bothers me. If I don’t comment, people are going to get mad at me. But I’m just going to ‘no comment’ about certain things. If people don’t like it, they don’t like it.

“People know me. I have good intentions, I do good things in the community. But I’ve heard more and more crap from people, [they] talk to my wife and talk to my people and say stuff, and I’m like, ‘You know what? I’m sick of it.’ ’’

78 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:41 pm

[76] Heh heh eh eh eh heh he he!!! That'd be great--that, I'd actually listen to!

79 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:41 pm

[57] You'd have to have two strikes already though...I didn't realize it happened to Fisk too.

[73] I'd imagine there is, but it's not in the rules. My guess is the umpire would just order the pitcher to throw the intentional ball.

80 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:42 pm

if you locked Lorne, Paul, and Jack in a room long enough maybe they'd be able to come up with an explanation for the end of The Shining

81 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:44 pm

re: the ibb - that's one thing i liked about slow pitch softball - you could just elect to put the batter on 1b rather than having to throw 4 balls

82 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:46 pm

Nice play, Derek!

83 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:46 pm

That's a real pretty DP.

84 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:46 pm

[77] my my - ugly is professional whiny bitch

andy getting the dps tonight

85 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:46 pm

Oh beauty. And before he had a chance to steal!

86 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:47 pm

[77] I agree with Youk. But I still think he's a Shrek looking douche. Is that ironic?
Great looking blimp shots this eve. : )

87 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:47 pm

[79] Nah, I didn't remember who was at the bat and who behind the plate. Bench was the catcher, no? So who was up, was it Yaz? Can't recall.

88 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:47 pm

Great swing there, pal.

89 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:49 pm

So I just read Joe Pos' excerpt of his new Reds book in SI...

I'm sorry, and this is no slight on Pos, but there has been a more insufferable group of guys in baseball over the past 50 years than the Big Red Machine?? Seriously.

A lot of it has to do with Rose, Bench, and Morgan I think

90 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:50 pm

[87] I believe Bench was at the plate against the As. Fingers was pitching and the catcher might hhave been Sal Bando.

91 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:51 pm

By the way, Ms. Oct was certainly correct: Posada wrecked that rally by hitting the bomb. Selfish bastard.

92 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:51 pm

Swish caught a break. I thought for sure he'd be rung up for that.

93 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:52 pm

[90] Ah, yes, that sounds right. Sal Bando. I know his name, so that must be why.

94 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:53 pm

[91] Memememememememe.

95 seamus   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:54 pm

[77] hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

96 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:54 pm

Well done, Alex.

97 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:55 pm

I like Holland. Like his style. And his expeditiousness.

98 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:55 pm

great jump - and he looked faster there too (his speed is very erratic, not surprising)

99 seamus   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:55 pm

oh crap

100 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:55 pm

Motherfu#% him and John Wayne.

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101 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:55 pm

damn terrible something there

102 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:55 pm

That was... amusing.

103 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:56 pm

[93] Actually it was Gene Tenace behind the plate...it took place in the 1972 World Series.

104 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:56 pm

Well that was bizarre.

First of all, how in the hell did that thing get through?

Second, where was Alex going? I mean, I guess he thought the shortstop wouldn't catch up to it, but still, that looked a bit aggressive.

105 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:56 pm

This Andrus kid .... is pretty good ...

106 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:56 pm

That's a bad send there because even if you stop Arod he can still score easily if the ball does get through.

107 NoamSane   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:57 pm

[100] We gonna fight the Rangers that be!

108 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:57 pm

[100] Heh ehh ehe heh he heh !! I love that line, but I don't get what it's in reference to. Were we talking about Elvis?

109 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:59 pm

That WAS a helluva play. Can't blame Alex on that one. IMO.

110 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:59 pm

[103] So why the hell do I know Sal Bando? Is he famous for something else?

111 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 7:59 pm

[108] shotstop's name is elvis andrus

112 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:00 pm

Wheeeeew. Andy helping/saving himself.

113 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:00 pm

enough of this "ole" horseshit

114 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:00 pm

[109]yeah looking at the replay i don't blame alex or even thomson on that - you wouldn't have expected anyone to make that play - just a great play

115 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:00 pm

[111] Ah, well then it's super hilarious! Nicely turned, JF.

116 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:01 pm

[110] He was an All Star from those same Oakland teams. I was mistaken to suggest he was a catcher. He played all over, but was a pretty good hitter.

117 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:01 pm

Did I dream it, or was Pudge on our team for about two weeks last year?

How weird.

118 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:01 pm

[108] Public Enemy lyrics. "Fight the Power."

119 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:02 pm

atta boy andy

120 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:02 pm

Very nice pitching, Andy.

121 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:02 pm

Interesting tidbit from Coney. He suggested that Pettitte has started to call his own game over the past 6 games, which coincides with his resurgence. He also pointed out something that I also noticed...Pettitte seems to be depending more and more on changing speeds with his curve.

122 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:02 pm

Sal Bando was mainly a 3B. He had a lot of power, relatively speaking -- an era with not a lot of hitting, and in the day when 3B weren't expected to hit much.
He was also a GM.

123 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:02 pm

[118] Yeah, I got that, just didn't get what prompted it. But Now I See.

124 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:03 pm

[117] sheeeeeeeeeeeit - that mf was on the team and stinking up the joint from the trading deadline (bye bye farnsy) to the end of year

125 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:04 pm

[122] Hmmm. I feel like I know him for some feat or moment or something, rather than just for generally good play. Or maybe I know his name because it's often associated with Reggie's? Maybe that's it.

126 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:05 pm

[121] i found that interesting too - he has also been throwing his cutter more over that stretch - i still want to understand more how the mechanics of the pitcher calling his own game differs from the typical circumstance of the pitcher just shaking off the catcher

127 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:05 pm

[124] God, was it that long? It's all a blur now.

128 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:05 pm

[124] Clay??

129 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:06 pm

Way to bust ass, Robbie.

130 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:06 pm

From ESPN:
On Tuesday, the Mets announced ace Johan Santana and reliever J.J. Putz are out for the season. (now) Left-hander Oliver Perez will require season-ending surgery to repair patellar tendon tendinosis in his right knee, the team said after he was examined Wednesday in New York.
The drama that is the Mets terrible luck is turning into comedy. Get we get everyone on the opening day 25 man roster injured? Can we put 9 guys on the field with none of them being in the printed program?

I mean wow. It's unbelievable in Queens.

131 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:06 pm

[125] Maybe it was his stint as Brewers GM?

132 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:07 pm

Well, in the '74 ALCS he homered, only run of the game for either side. (I just looked that up, didn't remember it.)

133 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:07 pm

Sorry, [132] was about Bando, of course.

134 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:08 pm

[126] I think the way it works is the catcher puts down a sign, but then the pitcher counters with a defined response, whereas shaking off amounts to a request for another suggestion from the catcher.

135 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:09 pm


136 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:09 pm

[131] Nah, it's something from childhood (the eighties). I feel like he was in one of my baseball books, like the one I had with wacky stories from baseball, like the midget that was sent up to bat and told not to swing. Eddie someone?

Nice job, Robbie.

137 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:09 pm

[122] Correct. He was on those great Reggie Jackson Oakland teams.

138 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:09 pm

[128] i'm sorry i gots to get up outta here before I lose my damn mind

139 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:09 pm

Good lord.

Base running: it's not so easy.

140 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:09 pm

Robbie, Robbie, Robbie...that was a good move, but still.

141 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:10 pm

Man, that was hammered.

I'll take that.

142 knuckles   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:10 pm

That looked an awful lot like he was going towards home on that- moreso than even Pettitte's best moves...

Nice jack Hairston.

143 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:10 pm

hey jh jr driving a solo in the score truck

144 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:10 pm

That'll work. Atta boy Hairston!

145 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:10 pm

Yeesh. Mixed feelings, huh? Should have been a 2-run homer.

146 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:10 pm

Wow. We're sorry Brian. This was not a 'nothing' move.

147 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:11 pm

Teix is some sort of cheerleader in the dugout. That's pretty cool.

148 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:11 pm

[143] :)

149 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:12 pm

[147] I was just gonna say that. Sabathia looked like he was into it, too.

150 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:12 pm

[136] Eddie Gaedel

do NOT ask me how I remember that

151 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:13 pm

[121] Will this create more heat for Posada? Will this empower crazy Joba?

152 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:13 pm

[150] Damn! I'm impressed.

153 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:16 pm

[151] Andy is a veteran, so I think it creates issues with Posada. Also, after listening to Joba say he never watches tape or studies his past performances, I don't think it would be wise to let him call his own game.

154 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:16 pm

[152] I'll admit I had to double check the spelling, but its just one of those things that sticks in my mind.

Like "Rube Marquard"...I mean I don't really know much about Rube Marquard, but I can't remember who sat next to me in 5th grade but I can remember the name "Rube Marquard"

155 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:16 pm

[153] Missing a "don't", right? Or some negation?

156 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:18 pm

[150] Eddie Gaedel even has a place in the great song Talking Baseball: "...Kiner and Midget Gaedel, the Thumper and Mel Parnell..."

Bill VEeck was definitely innovative to say the least. I have always wanted to read VEECK AS IN WRECK, but have never gotten around to it.

157 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:19 pm

[154] Mary McCluskie

158 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:19 pm

[134] thanks william i have been wondering about this

159 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:20 pm

Pedroia makes that play.

160 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:20 pm

[154] How 'bout Rube Wadell? I don't know anything about him, other than that he was a pitcher? HOF'er from the thirties? Forties? I don't know, but I love the name, speaking of Rubes.

Good thing that stayed in.

Too bad Robbie dropped the ball. Nah, I don't think he'd have had him anyway.

161 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:20 pm

Cano has committed a load of miscues in the past 10 games. Hard to explain. At some point, a message needs to be sent.

162 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:21 pm

[155] Yep...left out a don't. I type faster than I think.

163 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:21 pm


How many games off has Cano had in the last month or two .... seems like he is always in the lineup.

164 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:22 pm


Come on, Andy, bear down.

165 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:22 pm

[156] yeah I've wanted to read it too, Veeck is one of my favorite characters.

I dug up a copy of "Nice Guys Finish Last" by Leo Durocher at Strand the other day, I can't wait to get started on it...just have to finish "Public Enemies" first

166 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:22 pm

Looks like Andy was scared out of the strike zone in that AB. Please don't implode here Andy!

167 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:22 pm

The knuckler has real bite tonight. But the Boston line-up is almost useless.

168 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:23 pm

[163] I don't think any. Fatigue could very well be the issue.

169 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:23 pm

Nice job, Teix.

170 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:23 pm

Paying attention, Robinson?

171 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:24 pm

This is a HUGE at bat in this game.

172 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:24 pm

[167] Oh, is he back? That's nice. He's like the one guy on their whole team I've ever had any affection for.

173 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:24 pm

Maybe the next time Teix is on Letterman, Dave can drop balls off the Empire State Building. : D

174 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:25 pm


I looked it up, he's appeared in 125 of the 126 games. Started 123 of them.

175 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:25 pm

That was a good 1-2.

176 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:26 pm

Unfortunately, Randy Marsh has been excellent tonight.

177 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:26 pm

[173] heh heh eh heh heh

178 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:26 pm

Oh, hell yes!

Nicely done, dearest Andy.

179 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:26 pm

Ohayo Gozaimasu, Banterland! Andy P looking pretty sharp until this inning? The "O" has arrived early as well it seems?

[20, etc] The security at the new YS (and Citi Field according to williamnyy23)..it's just so over the top and ofefnsive. The scare tactics just have to stop..only clear plastic bags?!?! Absurd! I got to the stadium here and bring my own beer and food, the stadium provides the paper cups! Only a brief bag check and no security goons..this in a country with a LOT of terrorist incidents in the past (Red Army, subway gas poisoning, etc..) my un-wanted two cents!

180 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:26 pm

[172] He is, and it could be very helpful if he pitches like this.

Andy, good pitch calling!

181 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:27 pm

[179] :)

182 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:27 pm

[178] dare we say it?

183 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:28 pm

Ohayo Gozaimas, Mr. OK JT!

Andy's rough inning was the first, with a walk, a hit, an error, but he emerged unscathed. He's pitching well.

184 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:28 pm

[182] Yes he is. :)

185 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:28 pm
186 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:29 pm

Six innings, 4 hits, no walks, one run, 80 pitches. That's Wakefield so far.

187 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:30 pm

[179] The clear plastic bags are out the window. You can bring bags in now, but they are searched. It really isn't an inconvenience at YSIII. The frisk at Citifield was a little offputting, but it was quick and done mostly for show.

188 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:30 pm

Isn't that the same pitch he struck out on last time?

189 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:30 pm

No, sorry, Wakefield has walked one.

190 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:32 pm

Wakefield is a huge boost for Boston. Exactly what they needed at this point.

191 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:32 pm

All right, Team, I'm off to feed myself. Catch you clowns later.

192 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:34 pm

[190] Until his 43 year old back goes out on them.

193 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:35 pm

The only good thing about the Red Sox on the way to a sweep of Chicago is it probably really pisses Hawk Harrelson off.

194 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:36 pm

Bet the Mets wish they held onto Cruz ....

195 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:37 pm

Come on Andy, bear down here.

196 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:37 pm

[193] :)

Randy Marsh clip, hysterical..

Thanks for all the updates, Gameday on now.
I missed the Joba-aftermath yesterday, is it worth reading all the post-game or is it a Crash Davis Cliche-a-thon?

197 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:37 pm

Nelson Cruz transactions .,,,,
February 17, 1998: Signed by the New York Mets as an amateur free agent.

August 30, 2000: Traded by the New York Mets to the Oakland Athletics for Jorge Velandia.

December 16, 2004: Traded by the Oakland Athletics with Justin Lehr to the Milwaukee Brewers for Keith Ginter.

July 28, 2006: Traded by the Milwaukee Brewers with Carlos Lee to the Texas Rangers for Julian Cordero (minors), Francisco Cordero, Kevin Mench and Laynce Nix.

198 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:38 pm

[196] Avoid it...Joba comes off as arrogant, delusional and complacement.

199 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:39 pm

You suck Robbie.

200 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:39 pm

That's why you love Robbie...no one can turn the DP as quickly.

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201 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:39 pm

Jeez, Andy's getting LOTS of GIDP help.

202 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:40 pm

[197] Interesting that Texas got the star player AND Cruz.

203 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:41 pm

Andy can actually get guys to K on balls in the dirt.

204 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:47 pm

Home run for Alex Gonzalez, and Ortiz strikes out with two men in scoring position. How times have changed.

205 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:51 pm

One more good one Andy.

206 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:53 pm

The Washington Nationals just picked up Livan Hernandez..seriously, how do Royals, Pirates and Nationals fans carry on??

207 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:54 pm

[206] Their reasoning is sound, however. They have a lot of young pitchers that they would like to ease up on.

208 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:55 pm


209 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:55 pm

Fug. He looked so damn good, but what a crappy pitch.

210 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:56 pm

Get this last guy Andy and you did your job.

211 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:56 pm

Can't nibble to Andrus now, Andy.

212 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:57 pm


213 seamus   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:57 pm

andy has been great lately. gotta love that.

214 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:57 pm

Excellent job Mr. Pettitte. Now score some more runs!

215 The Hawk   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:58 pm

Anyone else read this?

"I think Pap feels he was misunderstood," Epstein said. "He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with. When I talked to him directly about it he couldn't have been more excited."

Ha! Italics are mine.

216 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:58 pm

Hell yes.
Wow, I'm way behind. I saw [212] and then flicked back over to my mlb.tv awaiting the 'nice'.

217 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:58 pm

nicely done andy - thanks for a pretty well pitched game - enjoy the showers and the grub

218 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 8:59 pm

[215] It will not occur to Papelbon that he's been insulted, however.

219 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:00 pm

McCartney didn't sing during God Bless America ... bummer!

220 The Hawk   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:01 pm

McCartney should quit worrying about dying his hair and get himself some eyebrow reinforcements. I dunno, maybe he can do both.

221 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:03 pm

[215] Paps also said he was "taken out of content"

yeah you read that right

222 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:03 pm

It's tough to hate on Robinson. Turning the DP, lining doubles, some big homers. Sure, he plays a very dumb baseball game sometimes -- loses focus, whatever. But I'll take him.

223 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:04 pm

This is a huge story from AP:

"A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that agents had no right to seize baseball’s anonymous drug-testing results from 2003, an infamous list that tarnished America’s pastime and some of its biggest stars."

Unless the Supreme Court overrules the decision, the results will be returned to the MLBPA and likely destroyed. Now, any future leaks can be cast aside by denials. Unfortunately for guys like Papi and Arod, there names have already been tarnished. I wonder if they will now have grounds for a massive lawsuit. Arod in particular has lost 10s of millions in endorsements. I would love to see him sue. The government's misconduct in this case was reprehensible.

224 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:05 pm

[222] Me too.

225 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:05 pm

[218] He might start thinking back to a stripper he met. Rode Scholar. Nah. Doesn't ring a bell.

226 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:06 pm

[215] hahaha, Paps wouldn't even know what Rhode Scholar IS!

227 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:07 pm

[225] Rhoda's collar, maybe?

[221] I don't think he knows what it means. Just something you say, like, "Screw you, I wish I hadn't said that and you're an asshole."

228 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:07 pm

[223] i hope this brings novtizky down and he is appropriately punished - he is the one who illegally seized them and has been using them for his own purposes since

229 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:07 pm


ROFL .... comment of the night ...

230 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:08 pm

[228] I also hope there is a more aggressive investigation into the source of the leaks. He probably wont do it because it would be awful PR, but if I was Arod, I would start lining up the defendants in a mega lawsuit. If not Arod, maybe Bonds will do just that.

231 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:09 pm

Just a great at bat. Hairston has been quite acceptable.

232 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:09 pm

not surprisingly pap's must be a real dolt - schilling made mention of something like he will never be mistaken for a mensa member

[225] [227] i was trying to think of something with road's collar but i couldn't

233 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:10 pm

[230] I wonder if there's someone who can do it on Alex's behalf. Agent? His agent has definitely lost money. Because you're right, he couldn't do it himself, the pub would outweigh any money he could gain plus whatever satisfaction he'd get.

234 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:11 pm

[230] if bonds continues to be prosecuted he just might - if the charges eventually go away or get reduced he probably won't - but yes, i definitely hope the source of the leaks gets exposed - i still think novitzky is at the center of most of it - but whoever else has leaked should be investigated and charged too

235 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:12 pm


236 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:12 pm


237 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:12 pm

Hey .... a successful bunt ...

238 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:12 pm

Melky showin' how it's done!

239 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:13 pm

That worked out nicely, whatever you think of the tactic.

240 Bama Yankee   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:13 pm

Man, I hate that we gave up the out there with the bunt....oh, wait.... ;-)

241 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:13 pm

[240] so that's what it takes to get you to appear during a game thread :}

242 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:14 pm

nicely done captain

243 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:14 pm

Oh Captain my Captain.

244 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:14 pm

[234] I would also like to see the law come down on the likes of Selena Roberts. I am all for freedom of the press when it is exploring issues of grave national interest and public health, but steroid use by athletes should not be grounds for trampling all over the integrity of the justice system.

245 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:14 pm

He's not a man he's a machine.

246 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:14 pm


Goodness, Jete's been fun to watch this year.

247 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:14 pm


I'm not gay. Really. But, SIGH.

248 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:15 pm

This would make for another good test. Bunt Swish. : D

249 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:15 pm

[244] as annoying as she is, I really do not see where she broke any law

250 Bama Yankee   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:15 pm

[241] Well, I spent the better part of the day discussing that very scenario in the earlier thread.... As I said in that thread, sometimes the defense botches the play.

251 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:16 pm

Who says Swish can't hit in the Bronx!

252 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:16 pm


253 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:16 pm


254 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:16 pm

coulda sent Jeter there, but hard to complain with no outs.

255 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:17 pm

[250] haha - we'll give you credit for melky's bunt

256 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:17 pm

Let him who can bunt, bunt; let him who can double, double.

257 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:17 pm

Wakefield hands off to Ramon Ramirez. Homer, walk. The vaunted Boston bullpen.

258 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:17 pm

[249] She knows who leaked classified information. She is not only abetting a criminal, but benefiting from the crime. If called before a grand jury, she would be obligated to reveal her knowledge of criminal behavior. I would like to see it happen.

259 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:18 pm


Its OK .... cause you know .... Jeter is really good with men in scoring position. :-)

260 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:18 pm

Jason Jennings is driving the score truck!!

261 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:18 pm

way to go tex!!!

another long ass single

262 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:18 pm

Great events as I head off to a very boring meeting! The Score Truck is fully loaded today!! Hope A-Rod homers to kill the rally, then Baa-Baa Bruney can close it out!

263 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:19 pm

Well, Hughes was warming up in earnest. Does he just shut it down or come in?

264 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:19 pm

[259] Yeep. (Think about sports, think about sports... No, that's not working!!!)

265 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:19 pm

What I love most about this inning is it started after a missed catch by Young.

This team seems like it capitalizes often when the other teams give them an opening.

266 Bama Yankee   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:19 pm

[256] Remember when Melky couldn't bunt? Looks like he worked on it...

267 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:20 pm

[263] I believe Girardi considers "getting warm" to be like an appearance. If so, they might as well use him. I would prefer that they not do so unless needed. Texas could be an opponent in the playoffs, so why give them a look at the revamped Hughes.

268 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:20 pm

[263] Probably see someone else, but I'd always rather not dry hump the reliever, especially since Hughes hasn't exactly thrown a bunch of innings recently ...

269 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:21 pm

They really should have let Holland pitch to a couple more batters. I was wondering at the time -- not thinking he should definitely be left in, but wondering.

270 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:22 pm

[262] hmm - the other kind of rally-killer

271 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:22 pm

[262] How about a rally-killing DP? Not quite as bad as a homer, I know.

272 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:22 pm

[258] if that kind of logic was applied to investigative journalism throughout American history we'd be in a hell of a place...but thats just my two cents.

273 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:22 pm

Curses, I guess I owe you a root beer [270] [271].

274 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:23 pm

[266] He now has 32 for his brief career, so I think he has long ago mastered the art (he had 10 in 2007 at age 22).

275 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:23 pm

Looks like Bruney's coming in.

276 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:25 pm

[272] See my comment in [244]. There has to be a balance between competing rights in a free society.

277 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:27 pm

[273] yep, the dp rally-killer is a bit like pork, you know the other white meat - the hr is definitely chicken

278 Bama Yankee   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:28 pm

[276] William, I'm with you on the Selena Roberts thing. She is no Woodward and Bernstein, she's just trying to sell a book...

279 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:31 pm

So Bruney does what he's supposed to do -- put the ball over the plate where they can hit it but not hit it hard -- and he's tagged for two very crappy hits.

280 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:32 pm

No reason to panic Bruney...neither ball was hit well. Just keep pitching.

281 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:32 pm

No BBruney tonite, please?

282 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:33 pm


283 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:34 pm

Oh no.

284 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:34 pm

Well this really sucks.

285 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:34 pm

That looked like a nasty twist of the wrist there.


286 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:34 pm

Ugh. Not good.

287 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:35 pm

That was some bottom of the seventh. I wish it hadn't been, though, 'cause I had my heart set on seeing Mo.

288 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:36 pm

[287] But now he'll be fresh for tomorrow!

289 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:36 pm

Then again, maybe Bruney wants me to see Mo, as well.

290 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:37 pm

[288] Indeed!

291 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:39 pm

Whoo-hooo. Nice work, Pudge.

292 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:39 pm

Nicely turned, boys. Nicely turned.

293 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:39 pm

Why the hell is Pudge batting in the middle of the order?

294 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:39 pm

another nice dp

what happened to po? - i stepped away for a second

295 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:39 pm

Love Pudge. Just not on my team.

296 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:40 pm

That'll do.


297 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:42 pm

Damn it...Ortiz with a walk off. The White Sox really suck.

298 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:43 pm

[297] Is Tony Pena their closer???

299 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:46 pm

[276] so you're for selective freedom of the press? as only it pertains to issues you deem worthy to be granted First Amendment rights? I don't follow

300 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:47 pm

oh hey look at that my little name/link thingy works...OBEY MY BLOG RANTINGS!!! (beware...politics)

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301 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:48 pm

[298] Jenks.

302 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:50 pm

And another thing: I know I pick on Swisher a lot, but why doesn't he break his wrists when he swings? Anyone notice that? Matsui does that too, a little.

303 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:52 pm

[301] I thought maybe Jenks was injured. So why was Pena pitching in the bottom of the ninth in a tie game?

Oh, wait. It's all coming together. I get it, never mind.

304 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:52 pm

it's just not the same now that he's not edpc anymore

305 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:54 pm

[299] Freedom of the Press does include permission to trample over the rights guaranteed by the grand jury system. Prosecutors do have discretion to apply the law as they deem appropriate. Using some legal precedent and good old common sense, I’d like to think they could tell the difference between a whistle blower trying to uncover a transgression against the public good versus a smut writer trying to make money with a book.

306 Just Fair   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:56 pm

Nice way to end it, Robbie. Awesome win!!

307 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:57 pm

Now, if Posada is okay, a terrific game.

308 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 9:57 pm

damn beautiful robbie

nice win team - andy was a golden god and the score truck was fully gassed up
just got to hope po is okay

309 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:03 pm

[305] Well the grand jury system in and of itself is deeply flawed to begin with, some would argue unconstitutional although I wouldn't go that far.

So at that point what you're left with is a question of the legality/constitutionality of Roberts' actions, I think any defense attorney worth their salt would be able to successfully make the argument that she has both the right and obligation to a) report upon material she comes across which is deemed "newsworthy" (and a positive steroids test by A-Rod certainly qualifies as such) and b) protect her anonymous sources.

You can try and set the precedent that would leave journalists in a state of confusion as to whether or not they'll be thrown in jail for publishing reports of factually verified information, but I don't think that's a wise road to go down is all I'm saying. We came close with the "Game of Shadows" guys but it was resolved before it could get to that point.

310 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:04 pm

Hairston's OPS for us is .833. I mean, he's not a Professional Hitter, but nice acquisition by Cashman, for sure.

Can someone post if there's a Posada update? (I lose the YES feed right after Kim's interview.)

311 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:08 pm

[309] and just to clarify, I'm not saying it is NEVER acceptable to reveal one's sources...I just don't think a reporter should be obligated to do so unless there are extraordinary circumstances at play.

the Libby case was really the best illustration of all of this I think.

312 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:16 pm

[309] As flawed as you may think the grand jury system is, it defines our legal system and in doing so extends definitive rights. The first amendment does not trump these rights. A good prosecutor should absolutely hold journalists feet to the fire when their actions result in a needless violation of the privacy accorded by the grand jury. Without proper balance and restraint, all freedoms are useless because they infringe on each other. Reporters like Selena Roberts should be called to account for their borderline criminal behavior.

[311] I had a feeling you'd feel that way about the Libby case.

313 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:17 pm

[310] Xrays negative...he was hit on a spot that was already sore. He is day-to-day.

314 ms october   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:18 pm

[310] girardi said he got the same ring finger "dinged" again - he hurt it a week or so ago (?) has been playing with it okay, but hit in the same spot again
x-rays negative

315 RIYank   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:20 pm

[313] [314] Thanks.
Whew. He was supposed to have tomorrow off anyway, and maybe that's all it will take. Watching Pudge hit (two bases loaded GIDP!) really makes me appreciate our little slugger.

316 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:26 pm

[312] I'm not letting my feelings about the Libby case one way or the other color my argument, I'm just saying that it is a really great illustration of the different sides of this debate. And I do believe that the other side of the argument is legitimate, just deeply flawed in the long run because of the precedent it sets.

To say the grand jury system defines our legal system is a bit of a stretch I think, thats not to say that it isn't important but it doesn't override the other rights afforded under the Constitution. Really this whole thing is more about the exclusionary rule than anything else.

hey look Andy Pettitte!

317 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:27 pm

Andy was indeed a golden god.

Man, I'll miss him when he's gone.

318 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:32 pm

[316] Hey Raging, interesting site! Will check it out more thouroughly in the offseason, only so much time for baseball sites, jazz sites and kimonobabes-r-us.com sites!

319 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:34 pm

[318] Thanks! I made the link just to my archive because I'm a shameless self-promoter like that, but definitely check the whole thing out. We launched our spiffy new site a few weeks ago and are really just all about exposure right now.

320 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 26, 2009 10:38 pm

That's cool, will eventually get the link up on my site..though not sure my very few jazz-geek readers will be up on Govt, debates, etc...

Burnett vs. Nippert tomorrow..(hey, am I a Bevis for giggling when I say "Nippert"?)

321 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 26, 2009 11:03 pm

Except Roberts wasn't offered Arod. She was offered the whole list. She declined the whole list (didn't even want to see it), EXCEPT to know about Arod, who she happened to be writing a book on at the time.

The WHOLE list was a WHOLE lot more newsworthy than just Arod's name, but she wasn't really interested in newsworthy, or disclosure for the public good, she was looking for something to sell her Arod book.

322 The Hawk   ~  Aug 26, 2009 11:35 pm

[321] That sounds sensible to me. If you're researching a book, you want information on the subject, not on other people necessarily.

323 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 26, 2009 11:47 pm

[321] I'm not saying there isn't a little scummy about Roberts or her motives, I just believe that freedoms of the press extend to everyone...even the hacks.

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