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2010 Toronto Blue Jays

Now that the Red Sox, Braves, Dodgers, and Reds (all teams I picked to make the playoffs this year) are ascendant, there are just two teams whose performances escape my understanding. One is the San Diego Padres, who continue to have the best record in the National League thanks to a wildly overperforming starting rotation and despite almost no contribution from their offense. The other is the Toronto Blue Jays, who are tied with the Red Sox with the fourth-best record in the American League thanks to a homer-happy offense that leads the majors in dingers having tagged 20 percent more taters than the second-place Bosox. The Blue Jays also lead the majors in slugging with a remarkable .474 team mark, but are fourth-worst in on-base percentage, second only to the Diamondbacks in strikeouts, and their pitching has been merely average.

If that’s not confusing enough, here are the Jays’ top home run hitters this year:

16 – Jose Bautista
13 – Vernon Wells
11 – Alex Gonzalez

Huh? Bautista’s 16 homers lead the majors; they also tie his previous career high set in 2006. Wells averaged just 17 taters the last three years, and Alex Gonzalez averaged just 13 in his six full seasons from 2003 to 2009 (he missed 2008 due to a knee injury). Wells has hit 30 homers twice before, but while Bautista and Gonzalez are both known to have some pop, they’ve both far exceeded their previous propensity for power.

I might have understood if the Jays were winning with starting pitching. Shaun Marcum is back from a season and a half lost to Tommy John surgery and pitching like a front-of-the-rotation horse. Ricky Romero, who faces Andy Pettitte on Saturday afternoon, is building on his strong rookie performance from a year ago, and Brandon Morrow, the former Mariners prospect acquired in an offseason swap for Brandon League and right-field prospect Johermyn Chavez and who faces Javy Vazquez on Sunday, has tremendous stuff, as the Yankees saw first hand when he pitched 7 2/3 no-hit innings against them in late 2008. Yet, Morrow has been erratic, and after Marcum and Romero, the pitching staff has been largely mediocre.

I suppose the good news for the Jays is that while Bautista and Gonzalez have been going yard, their young offensive core of Adam Lind, Aaron Hill, and Travis Snider have been scuffling and/or injured. That suggests that once the early-season flukes fade (which seems to already be happening), the Jays will still have the bats to keep the offense afloat. Still, even with those that young core producing, the Jays weren’t really supposed to be good this year (as I thought I made clear in my essay on the team in Baseball Prospectus 2010).

The Jays have gotten fat on the Orioles and Indians (9-0), but then so have the Yankees (11-2). Perhaps it’s more telling that Toronto is 3-9 against the Rays and Red Sox and have yet to face the Yankees. That ends this weekend as the Yanks arrive in Toronto for a three-game set. Things kick off tonight with A.J. Burnett facing sophomore lefty Brett Cecil. Burnett had two quality starts against his old team in the Bronx last year, but lost his one start in Toronto. In his career, he’s 22-9 with a 3.83 ERA with 290 strikeouts in 270 innings pitched at the Rogers Centre, most of them with the Jays behind him rather than in front of him.

Cecil was the Jays’ top pitching prospect heading into last year, but in that organization that’s not a huge compliment. He was erratic as a rookie last year and started this year in the minors, joining the rotation at the end of April. Toss out his one big stinker against the Rangers on May 14 and he’s been solid thus far, going 5-2 with a 2.45 ERA in his other seven starts. In his last three, he has averaged roughly 7 1/3 innings while posting a 1.66 ERA and a 0.74 WHIP, winning all three games.

Marcus Thames starts in left against the lefty Cecil, giving Brett Gardner a day off. Chad Moeller catches Burnett, giving Francisco Cervelli a breather. Jorge Posada is the DH again.

Toronto Blue Jays

2010 Record: 15-36 (.294)
2010 Pythagorean Record: 17-34 (.333)

2009 Record: 75-87 (.463)
2009 Pythagorean Record: 84-78 (.519)

Manager: Cito Gaston
General Manager: Alex Anthopoulos

Home Ballpark: Rogers Centre

Bill James Park Indexes (2007-2009):
LH Avg-104, LH HR-115
RH Avg-107, RH HR-129

Who’s Replaces Whom:

  • Alex Gonzalez replaces Marco Scutaro
  • Edwin Encarnacion takes over Scott Rolen’s playing time
  • Fred Lewis replaces Alex Rios
  • John Buck replaces Rod Barajas
  • Jose Molina replaces Raul Chavez
  • Jeremy Reed replaces Kevin Millar
  • Mike McCoy replaces Randy Ruiz and Joe Inglett
  • Shawn Marcum (DL) replaces Roy Halladay
  • Brandon Morrow replaces Scott Richmond (DL)
  • Kevin Gregg replaces Brandon League
  • Rommie Lewis (minors) replaces Jesse Carlson (minors)

25-man roster:

1B – Lyle Overbay (L)
2B – Aaron Hill (R)
SS – Alex Gonzalez (R)
3B – Edwin Encarnacion (R)
C – John Buck (R)
RF – Jose Bautista (R)
CF – Vernon Wells (R)
LF – Fred Lewis (L)
DH – Adam Lind (L)

Bench:

R – Jose Molina (C)
R – John McDonald (IF)
L – Jeremy Reed (OF)
R – Mike McCoy (IF)

Rotation:

R – Shaun Marcum
L – Brett Cecil
L – Ricky Romero
R – Brandon Morrow
L – Brian Tallet

Bullpen:

R – Kevin Gregg
R – Jason Frasor
L – Scott Downs
R – Shawn Camp
R – Casey Janssen
L – Rommie Lewis
L – David Purcey

15-day DL:

OF – Travis Snider (sore right wrist)

60-day DL:

RHP – Dustin McGowan (setbacks after labrum surgery)
RHP – Jesse Litsch (Tommy John surgery)
RHP – Scott Richmond (shoulder impingement)
RHP – Dirk Hayhurst (frayed right labrum)

Typical Lineup:

L – Fred Lewis (LF)
R – Aaron Hill (2B)
L – Adam Lind (DH)
R – Vernon Wells (CF)
R – Jose Bautista (RF)
R – Alex Gonzalez (SS)
L – Lyle Overbay (1B)
R – John Buck (C)
R – Edwin Encarnacion (3B)

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1 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 6:19 pm

Hm, I think I'd rather have Posada catching, Thames DHing, and Brett in the OF.
I know it gives away backstop defense, but you get (some of?) that back in LF defense, and the lineup would be better.

Cliff, for some reason I'd thought that the Jays were out-performing their pythagorean estimate, but they aren't. They're underperforming by maybe a game.

2 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 6:39 pm

Hm, I think I’d rather have Posada catching, Thames DHing, and Brett in the OF.
I know it gives away backstop defense, but you get (some of?) that back in LF defense, and the lineup would be better.

Posada hasn't been cleared to catch yet.

3 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 6:41 pm

Wow, this fairly big news

Joe Girardi started his pregame media session with an unexpected announcement.

“Dave Eiland took a personal leave of absence,” Girardi said. “He’ll be gone as long as he needs. That’s all I’m going to share.”

Girardi wouldn’t say whether Eiland actually made the trip to Toronto before leaving the team. He was with the team yesterday and spoke to the media after CC Sabathia’s start. At the time, he was dressed for the team flight. Girardi indicated that this is a personal issue for Eiland, not a sign of a rift between the manager and his pitching coach.

I really like Eiland as a pitching coach, so I hope everything works out ok for him with whatever is going on ...

4 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 6:50 pm

I was really surprised to see the Jays had the most home runs in MLB - by a huge margin.

5 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 6:52 pm

[3] Cross my fingers hoping everything turns out well.

6 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:13 pm

Good to see we're making Cecil work ...

7 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:15 pm

Good AB.

Who are these announcers?

8 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:16 pm

Oh, Teix, this is just getting UGLY ...

9 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:21 pm

[3] I hate to speculate, but I wonder if Eiland's leave absence has anything to do with Canada's new tighter immigration laws. Basically, even a crime committed as a child has caused delayed entry, not to mention embarrassment when the transgression has been revealed.

10 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:23 pm

Curtis!

11 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:23 pm

Mr. UZR!

12 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:23 pm

Nice catch!

13 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:23 pm

THE GRANDYMAN CAN!!!!

14 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:24 pm

I don't think Gardner would have gotten that one. Too short. :-)

15 OldYanksFan   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:27 pm

That ball was hit over 400'. 3 inches higher and it's extra bases instead of an out.

16 ms october   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:28 pm

[7] bob lorenz and flash.

[9] i wonder if that is why mk never goes to canada.

17 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:30 pm

[16] Does he really never go? I never noticed that.

I already don't like Lorenz. Why isn't Singleton doing play by play? YES does everything great except team its announcers.

18 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:32 pm

Some ugly ABs so far...Cecil's soft tossing, strike throwing approach could be tough for the Yankees.

Any way to fly in the Indians bullpen of Orioles starters?

19 ms october   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:32 pm

[17] i don't get it either - kenny does pbp quite well.
never might be an exaggeration, but i can't recall him doing games in toronto.

20 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:34 pm

[16] Thanks.

[9] Has Canada's laws changed since last year? Eiland did go last year, and as the Clipper's coach when there was a team in Ottawa.

21 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:36 pm

Crud.

22 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:36 pm

Well, that's number 17 ...

23 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:36 pm

Bautista again? Good gravy.

24 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:36 pm

Ridiculous...you really can't throw the ball down the middle to this team.

25 ms october   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:36 pm

jesus christ that was smashed - i'm with you cliff, where the hell did this come from?

26 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:37 pm

EVening, Team!
Don't take this the wrong way, but "oh, joy!" Did one of mk's loved ones suddenly die?

27 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:38 pm

How do you say Hgh in French?

28 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:39 pm

[25] Canadian homers are worth less?

29 ms october   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:40 pm

[26] mk rarely makes the trip to canada.
that is the good.
the bad is we are getting bob lorenz for pbp instead of kenny.

30 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:40 pm

[20] Yes...they have started cracking down recently. Basically, if you've ever committed a crime, they recommend you get get pre-approval before coming.

Just recently Adam Jones was detained for hours because his records were confused with Pacman Jones.

31 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:41 pm

[29] Is that true? Really? Wow. I've never noticed that before.
He a fugitive or something?

32 ms october   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:42 pm

alright team let's try to put together a representative ab against cecil.

[31] haha maybe...i am acutely aware of a lack of mk

33 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:44 pm

There ya go Tims!

34 ms october   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:44 pm

ah leave it to tims to do something against the lefty.

35 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:44 pm

[31] The crime of bad announcing.

[30] I knew they had done it at some point, just not how long ago. I did go to Windsor a few years ago -- it took longer to get back into the US than to get into Canada -- more questions & inspection. Same as when I went to Vancouver in 1994.

36 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:49 pm

I wish Brett were playing. He'd know what to do.

37 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:49 pm

Chad Moeller is awful.

38 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:50 pm

[37]

Let's just call him "Impacted"

39 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:52 pm

[38] Catchers do have wisdom.

40 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:55 pm

Hm, I guess Trembley wasn't the problem in Baltimore. Go figure.

41 51cq24   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:55 pm

he's nothing special, and i'd definitely prefer singleton, but i dont mind lorenz at all

42 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:57 pm

[40] After watching Juan Samuel wave Miguel Tejada into a out at home down 8-1 late in the game on Wednesday, I didn't figure they were going to be picking up much in the exchange ...

43 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 7:59 pm

[42] Hey, that's right, I forgot that was Samuel. Or anyway, I didn't connect "guy who sent Tejada" with "guy who takes over for Trembley".

44 NYYfan22   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:00 pm

hey everyone

45 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:00 pm

Anyone know where to pull an *online* report on pitch f/x data? I need year 2010 broken out by pitch type.

46 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:01 pm

I want Cecil to somehow be related to THIS man
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jacobbe01.shtml

47 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:03 pm

[45] This doesn't sound like exactly what you're looking for, but maybe it will help.

48 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:03 pm

[45] Not sure where to find aggregate data, but are you interested in game by game?

49 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:04 pm

That sir is some bad luck.

50 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:04 pm

[46] Wow. You don't find a lot of players named "Beanie" nowadays. I wonder why that is. Wait...

Oh, I get it!

51 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:04 pm

FUCK.

52 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:06 pm

They must know the change is coming, but still can't hit it. Impressive pitch.

53 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:07 pm

That may have been the best chance off Cecil.

54 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:08 pm

[47] Tried that, seems to be a dataset that isn't current (Brett Cecil isn't a choice in the dropdown, but Roger Clemens is).

[48] No, I wanted to see 2010 aggregated.

I know there are mySQL datasets I can download and I suppose I'll do that tomorrow, I was just curious about something tonite and wanted to see the numbers broken out.

Oh well, I guess I've got myself a small project for the next few weeks ...

55 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:08 pm

This is a good you pitcher.

56 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:08 pm
57 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:10 pm

[54] The link below had an aggregate snap shot from earlier in the season:

http://captnsblog.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/inside-the-numbers-pitch-based-performance-of-yankees-lineup/

58 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:11 pm

[57] Click on the Pavlidis article.

59 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:12 pm

Burnett had time to make that play, I think.

60 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:13 pm

This is unreal.

61 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:13 pm

That is the definition of stupidity.

62 NYYfan22   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:14 pm

[59] bottom english on that ball?

63 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:14 pm

Nice little utility player indeed.

64 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:14 pm

Holy shit.

65 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:14 pm

Who the HELL is Jose Batista?

66 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:14 pm

What could possibly possess Burnett to make the same exact mistake twice?

67 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:15 pm

[66] Dude, it's AJ ... you're asking about what he was thinking?

68 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:16 pm

What we've learned tonight is Jose Bautista can mash a fastball down the middle in a hitter's count.

That's really not impressive....at least not as much as Burnett's arrogance.

69 RIYank   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:18 pm

I think I'll go watch tennis now.
Later.

70 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:18 pm

Now he doesn't give in???

71 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:18 pm

Good thing Baltimore is next on the schedule again.

72 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:20 pm

You just have to accept this with AJ.

73 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:21 pm

[57] Thanks. I think for what I wanted to see, I'll have to pull the datasets and write my own queries and reports locally.

Although, since what I need isn't available online, I might have myself a decent project to freshen up my web reporting skills, which I've sorted need for a while ...

74 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:22 pm

Jose 3

AJ 0

75 OldYanksFan   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:23 pm

With JV in line, this is not good news so far.
It is almost time to start talking about ARod not putting the ball in the air with authority?

76 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:25 pm

[75] No.

I'll take a hard hit ball, regardless of up or down,every time in that situation.

Sometimes, ya eat the bar; sometimes, the bar eats you ...

77 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:27 pm

Watching the Tigger's game, Rusty Kuntz is back with KC.

78 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:29 pm

Meh.

79 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:30 pm

[77] I believe they have a shot that cures that now ...

80 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:33 pm

Burnett really isn't a very intelligent man.

81 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:33 pm

Sigh.

Still, a salami ties it up.

82 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:33 pm

FUCKING'AJ!

83 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:34 pm

Well, at least Thames isn't being exposed in LF ...

84 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:35 pm

Uh, only 2 Curtis, only 2 ...

85 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:36 pm

And Javy on Sunday? Let's hope Andy gets a W tomorrow.

86 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:38 pm

[85] Javy might actually workout well...he is a righty with very good off speed as well as an idea how to pitch. The Jays seem like a team that feasts on throwers like AJ.

87 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:43 pm

FUZZY Moeller with the "double"!!!

88 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:43 pm

OK...if anything can be considered a good omen, it's a Moeller hit.

89 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:43 pm

Toothache comes through.

90 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:43 pm

That was a lousy play by the "gold glover" Vernon Wells ...

91 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:43 pm

Ha! Never underestimate the Moeller!

92 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:45 pm

C'mon Stick, cash this in here ...

93 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:45 pm

Now a bloop...karma.

94 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:46 pm

Franconas 7, Samuels 0 .... 4th inning

95 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:47 pm

Ah .... on-the-field pick-up mics ...

96 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:48 pm

Uh, thanks Nick ...

97 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:48 pm

Crappy exchange

98 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:48 pm

Oh Swish...Cecil is pitching very well, but it would be nice if someone would make an adjustment.

99 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:49 pm

FUCK!

100 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:50 pm

Flip ... and ... I'm out to get more booze ...

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101 Diane Firstman   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:51 pm

Ice Road Truckers .... series cancelled due to Global Warming ...

102 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:52 pm

Hey....AJ finally learned!

103 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 8:57 pm

It's time for AJ to take a shower.

104 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:04 pm

If Posada isn't going to catch for a while, the Yankees need a new BUC.

Also, how wise was it for Girardi to use Moeller with Burnett? Could he have picked a more difficult pitcher to catch?

105 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:04 pm

Did anyone really expect us to win tonight?

Blue Jays are good hitters, it's inconsistent AJ and Chad's catching.

106 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:07 pm

[105] Well, it's not like Cervelli's been much help recently ...

107 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:08 pm

That would have been nice last AB.

108 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:08 pm

Nice, Alex!

109 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:09 pm

[105] I'm not shocked that we're losing, but yes, I did think we could win. As Cliff points out up top, the Jays are a strange team. First in slugging but almost last in OBP? Gonzalez and Bautista among their top sluggers? Encarnacion with 8 homers as a part time player? It just doesn't seem like it's for real.

110 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:09 pm

[106] From RAB today:

Right now, as Posada’s foot heals and the team figures out what they have in Jorge going forward, Francisco Cervelli will continue to man the backstop. On the surface, he’s doing an admirable job, hitting .294 with a .375 on-base percentage and 24 RBI. As a back-up catcher, that’s fantastic, but as Cervelli has seen more playing time, he’s become exposed both at the plate and behind it. Hitless for June, Cervelli is now 3 for his last 27 and 10 for his last 57. That’s a .175 batting average for those keeping score at home.

111 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:11 pm

[110] Oh and he's thrown out a grand total of 2 out of 20 base stealers ...

112 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:11 pm

[110] In Cervelli's defense, playing so much has probably worn him down somewhat.

113 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:12 pm

Well, lousy game for Robbie tonite ...

114 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:12 pm

If Cano can't have one good AB, then you know Cecil is pitching well.

115 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:17 pm

[112] Well, Frankie's 24. If he can't catch that number of games (over a single *month* [more or less]), he likely doesn't have the capacity to be a starting catcher, regardless of any concerns over talent or current ability.

Meanwhile, it's MeatTray time ...

116 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:19 pm

[115] I don't know...catching 10 days in a row has to be rough, even for a 24 year old.

117 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:19 pm

[114] Yup. And every team wins 50 (except for the 2010 Orioles) and every team loses 50 (except the 1998 Yankees), I figured tonight was going to be one of the 50 losses, as AJ is inconsistent & some regulars are getting rest. In some ways, it may be better to bunch your regulars' rest to one game, not conceding the game but not having the optimal lineup so that you can have an optimal lineup more often.

118 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:22 pm

[117] This is one of those losses you cant get upset about. Cecil was on his game and he also had some lucky. The only regret is really the second fastball down the middle to Bautista, but it's not like that decided the game.

119 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:24 pm

I don’t know…catching 10 days in a row has to be rough, even for a 24 year old.

I agree in theory; though, since Cervelli *hasn't* caught 10 days in a row this year, I'd say it remains a just that, a theoretical matter of conjecture ...

120 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:26 pm

[119] According to B-R.com, he DID catch 10 games in a row (May 17-27).

121 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:27 pm
122 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:30 pm

[121] 10 days/10 games over 11 days (and 16 games over 18 days)...I think the point still stands. That is a very heavy workload for a catcher.

123 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:38 pm

Well at least it stayed in the yard this time.

124 randym77   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:39 pm

Bautista is clearly a witch. May we burn him?

125 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:41 pm

Thames!

126 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:41 pm

[124] Does he weight as much as a duck?

127 NYYfan22   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:42 pm

take THAT you wikkin fucker!

128 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:42 pm

[122] Is it? I'm not being snarky here, I actually wonder how unusual that is for a 24 year old front line starting catcher.

Randomly, I went back to Joe Mauer's 24 year old season back in 2007. After losing a full *month* to injury, Mauer came back and played 17 games out of 18 days (June 12 through 29), fully 15 of them at catcher (2 at DH).

I don't think it's that unusual at that age, though I'm certainly willing to look at a statistical analysis of the question and change my mind ...

129 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:45 pm

Well at least I got bills paid, check book caught up and the desk cleaned up tonight.

130 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:45 pm

Shall we start calling him Sergio Meat-K???

131 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:52 pm

Well, it ain't a Swisher at bat if it doesn't go 3-2 ... in *this* case, it isn't a Swisher at bat if it doesn't go 4-2 ...

132 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:57 pm

Well, that was coming from a long way aways ...

133 rbj   ~  Jun 4, 2010 9:59 pm

Ah well, I suspect we are seeing the beginnings of the reemergence of the Blue Jays.

Good night all.

134 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 10:13 pm

[128] I'll see if I can crunch some numbers. However, in the sample you observed, Mauer was the DH four times.

135 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 10:18 pm

John Wooden has passed away. RIP Wizard.

136 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 10:23 pm

[134] GAH! You're right. And even worse, he was a PH *another* time.

Alcohol is *neither* math's nor logic's BFF.

I'm curious about the numbers though, what would you say the criteria should be?

Age 24 only? Age 23-25 maybe? If we go with 18 days for the total (for Frankie's sake) how many "games played"? 17/18 games/days (at least 16 games at catcher)?

And then what? OPS over the initial 18 days vs OPS in the following 18 days? Rolling?

I can probably run anything we come up with, but this sure seems like a matter of deciding on how to slice and dice a question ...

137 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 10:42 pm

[136] For starters, I'd just be interested in how many catchers have played 10 straight games over the past 2 years.

138 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 10:48 pm

[137] Alright, let me start with that ... I'll be in touch in a thread.

139 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 10:49 pm

[137] 10 games/ 10 days? Or just 10 games in a row?

140 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 10:56 pm

Oh, and does "played" means caught (only) or played (at any position)?

141 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 11:00 pm

[139] 10 games in a row, at least 3 PAs/game.

142 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 11:00 pm

[140] Caught only

143 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 4, 2010 11:06 pm

[141][142] Ok. Let me see what I can do (it will likely take a day or two) ...

144 williamnyy23   ~  Jun 4, 2010 11:07 pm

[143] Thanks. I thought B-R's play index would be able to do it, but it's really not that powerful.

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