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Four game series against the Tigers starts tonight. Over at PB, our man Cliff breaks it down like only he can do. In the same space, Jay Jaffe takes a look at the Yankees’ catching situation. Not to be left-out, dig Steve Goldman’s post on Alex Rodriguez’s blustery RBI total.

Over at the Times, Ben Shpigel writes about Rodriguez’s season as well.

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1 Sliced Bread   ~  Aug 16, 2010 6:48 pm

The Jaffe piece on Montero is discouraging. We knew his defense was a concern, but if you believe recent accounts, the kid is like magnetically-opposed to balls thrown at his mitt. Be nice to have his bat around at this point though.

2 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:01 pm

[1] This is not a fair comparison (but KLaw compared Montero to Frank Thomas, so why not) - but I wonder how bad Mike Piazza's defensive numbers were in the high minors.

I mean, Piazza was (by CS% and IIRC, passed balls) a horrible catcher - but he still caught for years and years. If he could do it, why couldn't Montero?

[0] Meow!

3 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:05 pm

Hold onto your hats, because the end is near...

A lot of this will come down to how the NYY, TBR, and BOS fare against common opponents down the stretch, and a little bit will come down to how much of a wrench a few uncommon opponents will either put or will not put into the plans of these three teams.

Of particular worry? Everyone has the exact same slate left against the Orioles - will Showalter want to win a little more against the Yankees?

Here's what's left:

NEW YORK YANKEES: 24 Home Games, 21 Road Games

Combined opponent winning percentage, using home/away records: .493

TAMPA BAY RAYS: 21 Home Games, 24 Road Games

Combined opponent winning percentage, using home/away records: .502

BOSTON RED SOX: 24 Home Games, 19 Road Games

Combined opponent winning percentage, using home/away records: .506

Next Post shows the common opponents, etc.

4 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:15 pm

I had five different things I wanted to say tonight, but erased all of them because I'm still baffled and annoyed by the offensive ineptitude from last night.

5 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:19 pm

Ok, here are the common/uncommon opponents for the three teams -

NEW YORK YANKEES

NYY No games

TBR 3 at home, 4 on the road

BOS 3 at home, 3 on the road

BOSTON RED SOX

NYY 3 at home, 3 on the road

TBR 3 at home, 3 on the road

BOS No games

TAMPA BAY RAYS

NYY 4 at home, 3 on the road

TBR No games

BOS 3 at home, 3 on the road

TORONTO BLUE JAYS

NYY 3 at home, 6 on the road

TBR 3 at home, 3 on the road

BOS 6 at home, 0 on the road

BALTIMORE ORIOLES

NYY 3 at home, 3 on the road

TBR 3 at home, 3 on the road

BOS 3 at home, 3 on the road

DETROIT TIGERS

NYY 4 at home

TBR No games

BOS No games

CHICAGO WHITE SOX

NYY 3 on the road

TBR No games

BOS 3 at home, 4 on the road

KANSAS CITY ROYALS

NYY No games

TBR 4 on the road

BOS No games

LOS ANGELES ANGELS OF SCHMEGAGY-VILLE

NYY No games

TBR 3 at home, 3 on the road

BOS 3 at home

TEXAS RANGERS

NYY 3 on the road

TBR 3 at home

BOS No games

SEATTLE MARINERS

NYY 3 at home

TBR 3 at home

BOS 3 at home, 3 on the road

OAKLAND A's

NYY 4 at home

TBR 4 on the road

BOS 3 on the road

That's what's left. You can look at this and check games off, as the three teams go.

Obviously, head to head is pivotal here.

Some ugly things for the Yanks, sprinkled throughout - the Angels travel to Fenway for their annual rectal exam, while the Yanks have to go back to Texas.

Yanks have a scary slate left with the Blue Jays - I feel like I say this every year, but if they don't figure out a way to beat the Homering Jays, the Yanks may be done for. It's scary that we've got 6 left at the Rodgers' Center, while the Red Sox have only six Fenway games left against the Jays.

There are certainly other interesting angles to note from the list above.

Yanks also gotta make these home games count.

6 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:23 pm

[1],[2] Can't help but think the Yanks painted themselves into a corner with the buildup for Montero over the years and concurrently failing to develop other hitters in the minors whose positions weren't so critical. Being that they have more defensively reliable catchers who can handle a stick competently, I wonder why they have been reticent on moving Montero off the plate and into another position. If he can't play outfield, the best they can expect is to DH/platoon him at first, right? Are they really committed to him as a catcher and being patient or are they fooling themselves and being stubborn?

7 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:25 pm

[6] Well, if he's a catcher, he's as valuable as Posada. If he's a DH, he's as valuable as, I dunno, Nick Johnson. Well, okay, that's unfair, but you see what I mean.

8 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:27 pm

The ump is 1 for 2. This dude is freaking slinging some nastiness.

9 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:28 pm

[6] To answer my own question, I guess he's the only one whose close to major-league ready in the event that Jorge goes down for the count or calls it a career, given that Cervelli has been an EPIC FAIL and Romine/Sanchez are at least a couple of years away; not to mention that trading for a starter-quality backstop will either seriously hurt the farm or be a lateral move in terms of offense. So there ):P

10 Dimelo   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:32 pm

Homer Javy back on the hill.

11 rbj   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:32 pm

"2 homer minimum Javy"

12 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:33 pm

I get the feeling if a scout showed up at a high school game to watch Javy pitch he wouldn't stay long.

13 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:33 pm

Ooooooookay.

14 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:35 pm

I may skip this one. Fuck Javy. I'm back to being disgusted they signed this guy and back to despising this dipshit.

Between the Yankees looking like they'll be no-chance ville against Scherzer and Javy looking like a wittle wittle lamb and mlb.tv hitting me with the insanely annoying Gillette ProGlide ad and stupid promos for "The Thread" - fuck this, perhaps.

This stretch in the schedule really is unending, and the Yanks look like dogshit. Javy, in particular. It's so unpleasant watching Javy pitch when he's like this.

15 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:38 pm

A 3 run job by JD here would not be a shocker.

16 rbj   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:39 pm

Mitre stirring already?

If I had planned it better (and I hadn't messed up my back) I'd have taken in the Toledo-SWB game tonight. Sigh.

17 Dimelo   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:40 pm

Javy serving meat-pies today.

18 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:41 pm

Gosh this is fun.

19 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:42 pm

I wouldn't mind Javy going offspeed, problem with that is that his offspeed stuff is hanging.

20 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:43 pm

Gotta love Frankie getting 4 ab's tonight, as well.

Can anyone remember the last time Cervelli actually hit a ball hard? I honestly can't remember.

21 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:47 pm

Great work, JV. Maybe you'll finish the 3rd. Dickhead.

22 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:48 pm

HA! I got you, mlb.tv! So sorry I hit MUTE right before you ran that fucking Pro Glide assault on my ears for the second time in ten minutes.

I think I'm finally going to write a letter to mlb.tv telling them what an utter, utter horseshit job they've done this year.

23 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:49 pm

Evening folks ... I want Javy to have an MRI, or that "dye" they inject that shows it traveling through the veins ... cause I thing he's got a muscular problem (no pain, but loss of velocity)

Oh, and speaking of injuries
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/sports/baseball/17mets.html?_r=1&emc=na

24 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:51 pm

[23] I see you studiously avoided saying "Good evening."

Yeah, K-Rod. Shame.

25 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:52 pm

[23] I'm just glad it's not the index finger he uses to point to the sky.

26 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:55 pm

Here late, Yanks already losing I see.

0) et al. I was not discouraged one bit by the write-up on Montero's defense. As far as I could tell, everything shows him to be below average, which we knew already, but with scouts comparing him to Frank Thomas or the like. So, a catcher who is defensively as bad or maybe a bit better than Piazza, and offensively as good or better than Piazza.

Sign me up.

27 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:57 pm

Girardi should seriously consider taking Javy out now. It looks as if he has absolutely no confidence in his fastball, probably for good reason.

28 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:58 pm

[27] What do you mean -- he's only throwing fastballs.

29 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:59 pm

[26] Couldn't agree more. I don't see the point in coming to conclusions about a 20-year olds catching ability based on one half of a minor league season. Besides, I doubt Montero could be as bad as Cervelli and Posada have been this season.

30 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 7:59 pm

6, 9) I don't think that the Yankees painted themselves into a corner. All along they have said that he could hit but needed improvement at C, and (obviously) they recognize that his highest vakue would be at a premium position. He's only twenty for cripes sake, so it makes sense that they are giving him as much chance as possible to develop behind the plate. Isn't the old saw that catchers tend to develop slowly?

Rather, what has painted the Yankees into a corner, if anything, is that Montero's bat has developed so fast that his offense is rapidly outpacing his defense. In other words, if Montero had struggled more at AAA or AA, we wouldn't be wringing our hands over his defense because he would still be two years away from the bigs,

So in the end, the Yankes have the problem of a prospect who is too good. Againwhat's the problem??

31 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:00 pm

I was wishing it was IHOPE week ..... Pancakes for all!

32 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:01 pm

Dead. Arm.

33 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:01 pm

Does Kim like being called Kimberly? ... (not that I would ever need to really know)

34 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:02 pm

[28] Yes...he is throwing them everywhere but over the plate (again, with good reason).

35 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:02 pm

I have the same thought as [27]. It really may be time to yank this dipshit. 70 pitches, he's got jack shit, and he's getting killed.

36 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:03 pm

[34] Oh, okay. I dunno if that's a matter of confidence. He's trying to throw them over the outside edge, which is where fastballs belong, and he's missing.

37 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:04 pm

The story certainly puts things in perspective, but jeez, this game looks horrible.

Mlb.tv hits me with THREE pro glide ads in twenty minutes.

I'm guessing that my letter to mlb.tv just won't get taken seriously if it includes the phrase "fuck you."

38 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:05 pm

[36] Besides his reticence to throw the ball over the plate, Javy as pretty much come out and said he has no confidence in his fastball on a couple of occassions since his last outing.

39 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:05 pm

Fucking Bollocks, Robbie.

40 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:05 pm

A rare bad job from Cano...Vazquez desparately needed that double play. Yanks were lucky to get one because he never had control.

41 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:08 pm

If he walks this batter, do you yank him?

42 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:08 pm

The only one worse than Javy tonight is the Ump.

43 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:09 pm

Can't predict baseball.

44 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:09 pm

Oh, Lord. That ump sucks, but that was hilarious.

45 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:09 pm

If you were a Tigers fan, would you be screaming right now? Maybe at the ump, but maybe at your batters' inability to capitalize on a fiasco of a pitching performance.

46 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:10 pm

Javy's night should now be done. No reason to tempt fate further.

If Javy continues to pitch poorly, I wonder if it jeopardizes his type-A status and/or discourages potential off season suitors? The Yankees could have a risky decision when it comes time to deciding whether to offer him arbitration. If the Yankees don't get the picks for Javy it would make the deal for him even worse.

47 rbj   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:12 pm

What's the weather forecast for the NY area? Just steady light rain or is there going to be a downpour? I'd hate to start Mitre for the fourth only to lose him after an inning or two.

48 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:12 pm

42) i thought the last one looked like a strike, but I didn't check on gameday. That said, i'm not a fan of the dramatic delayed call by the ump.

49 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:12 pm

Bunt!

50 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:12 pm

[47] Scattered showers...no chance of being saved by the bell tonight.

51 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:14 pm

I would give Cervelli a perpetual take sign.

52 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:14 pm

[48] I looked on Gameday, but it's not reliable on whether a pitch is high or not. (It was borderline.)

53 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:15 pm

47) I’d hate to start Mitre for the fourth only to lose him after an inning or two.

I never thought that I would read a post expressing concern over losing Mitre!

; )

54 rbj   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:15 pm

[50] Dang. Thanks. I think I'll go to couch and remember my wisdom teeth being pulled. Less painful.

55 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:16 pm

Safe...barely...despite Cervelli's best efforts.

56 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:16 pm

Great bunt, Frankie!

57 rbj   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:16 pm

[53] Yeah. But is he worse than Javy?

58 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:17 pm

Since 1920, only 6 Yankees starters have thrown 93 or more pitches in a start of three innings or less. If he comes out of the game, Vazquez would join that list.

59 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:17 pm

[51] Whereas Brett thinks he has the perpetual take sign.

60 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:19 pm

Whereas RIYank thinks he has the perpetual italics sign.

61 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:19 pm

The Yankees tolerance of Cervelli is really inexusable, but I guess most people think complaining about the BUC is evidence of being spoiled.

62 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:19 pm

Brett is just sitting Gyro Ball. And one of these days...

63 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:19 pm

57) i think so. In any caae and more seriously, the question is not whether Mitre is better than Javy. If he comes in for the fourth and is 'lost' after an inning or two, the issue is it's whether the pitcher that would come in is better than Mitre. Gaudin? Probably not. Everyone else in the BP, yes, I think so.

64 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:21 pm

If you like great double plays you should check this one out from the Tigers game earlier this week. It's a doozy. And I want what Paulie's having if he thinks Javy's got a chance at a w tonight. Nice one, Jeter. FUCK!

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10969959&topic_id=8879976&c_id=mlb

65 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:21 pm

[46] The trade hasn't been that bad; a 4th OF and a prospect for a 4th starter and a LOOGY.

Jeez, Jetes...

66 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:21 pm

Again, it wont be done (and I wouldn't do it myself), but the Yankees need to move Jeter down in the order.

67 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:21 pm

61) complaining about the BUC is somewhat spoiled. Unfortunately, looking at the number of games started and total plate appearances, it's not at all clear that Cervelli should not be considered the starter.

68 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:22 pm

Holy shit, is that depressing.

You're sitting there saying, "if he grounds into a double play, so help me..."

But you just know he's going to do it, and there's nothing you're going to do about it.

Captain GIDP strikes again.

69 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:23 pm

[64] Yeah, that would be a lot cooler if the color guy didn't say "Oh no he didn't!"

70 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:23 pm

Girardi tempting fate?

71 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:24 pm

[65] You're right. If Arodys didn't get injured, it would look like a bad deal, but all things considered, not so bad. Now, if the Yankees come away with 2 draft picks, then it swings well into their favor.

72 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:25 pm

[71] I don't think they're going to offer JV arbitration. I think they should, but I don't think they will.

73 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:26 pm

Jeter's ground ball rate has been astounding. A double steal with Grandy and Gardy seemed as if it would have made sense, but alas.

74 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:26 pm

Yep, [67], he's not a BUC, at all.

He's developed into a semi-permanent black hole in the lineup.

Teeth gnashing and sack cloth wearing in May is hysterical and pathetic - the kind of thing like conceding the division in May, because you spend your entire life sitting on a panic button.

Pointing out things that are of deep concern in mid-August? That seems pretty appropriate.

75 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:27 pm

Javy is ruining his chance to make history. Maybe Johnny can help him out with a long at bat.

76 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:29 pm

What, is the guy in the YES truck serving hemlock refreshments while he's at it?

What could possibly possess them to show that highlight?

77 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:29 pm

You got your answer, dianagram.

78 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:29 pm

Whatever the outcome here, I don't think Girardi sends Javy out for the fifth.

79 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:29 pm

[75] Your wish is JD's command.

80 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:30 pm

Javy is now the 12 Yankees starter since 1920 to throw 100 pitches in four or fewer innings.

81 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:31 pm

On a scale of 1 to 10, how frustrating did you find Jeter's GIDP?

I'll go with a 7.

It would be an 8, but with Javy on the mound, I was feeling sort of hopeless already.

82 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:31 pm

JEBUS CHRISTOS.

100+ pitches in 3 2/3rd innings???

Yuck.

83 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:33 pm

[77]

Yeah ... I noticed ... cool.

84 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:33 pm

Hit the showers, Jv. Thanks for the shit show.

85 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:33 pm

[80] Shouldn't there be fireworks or something?

86 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:33 pm

Javy has the record!!! Sole possession of most pitches in an outing of four innings or fewer. Congrats Javy, you are now officially a Yankee.

87 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:35 pm

[85] There should have been...but off the Tigers' bats.

Ironically, for the second straight game, we've spent all our time worrying about an erratic Yankees starters, while the team's inability to hit has slipped under the radar.

88 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:36 pm

Does anyone find [5] useful, at all, or was I just wasting my time?

I understand that it's sort of like, the team that plays the best wins the race, but for my part, I think I'm going to print out that post and check games off as things go.

89 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:37 pm

[86]

100+ pitches in 4 or fewer innings, 2 runs or less allowed:
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/cREbp

Yes, Joba is on this list

Nice Play Index work William!

90 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:38 pm

[89] Nothing like beating a record previously co-held by Rich Dotson.

91 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:39 pm

That Tex hustles makes me happy.

92 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:39 pm

A booming double...

93 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:40 pm

The ol' husband and wife play.

94 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:40 pm

92) or E6

95 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:42 pm

Come on Arod...need to stay under control here.

96 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:42 pm

C'mon Alex, just a damn *hit* here.

Stopping swinging for a moon shot.

97 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:44 pm

Guess they're talking about coming inside this pitch?

98 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:45 pm

Over the weekend, the Royals defense gave the Yankees so many opportunities that they couldn't cash in. Looks like more of the same tonight. The month of August has been very demoralizing.

99 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:46 pm

That's not a fucking strike blue.

100 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:47 pm

[99] Not close.

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101 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:48 pm

At every point in the season, the Yankees could count on at least one and often two hot hitters. Over the last week-plus, they have not had one.

102 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:48 pm

Hm. I feel that both A-Rod and Rob could have taken walks. I'm sure the psychology there is to be aggressive, with the RISP, but it didn't work out well.

103 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:49 pm

We're getting dangerously close to "flip over the buffet table" time with this team

104 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:49 pm

Well, maybe with luck they can drive the starter from the game after five or six and take some cracks at the bull pen. Not that it will matter.

105 Sliced Bread   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:50 pm

just turning on the game now.

[2] yeah, Shaun, if Montero's upside is Piazza I'll sign up for that now.

106 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:50 pm

What the hell is wrong with A-Rod now?

107 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:50 pm

[104] Right, I don't think there's any particular reason to think that the bullpen will be worse than Max Somebody.

108 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:50 pm

[102] Not with some of those strike calls; can't take any chances...

109 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:50 pm

Oh great. What, did ARod hurt himself slaming the bat. The good news is more Peña.

110 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:50 pm

Oh for FUCK'S sake.

Great, just great.

111 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:50 pm

Oh great...this season takes an even sharper turn for the worse. How does not acquiring a useful backup infielder look now?

112 RIYank   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:51 pm

Fuck.

113 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:51 pm

Wonderful. Alex is out. Pena's the new clean up hitter. Cack.

114 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:51 pm

per ESPN:
Javier Vazquez:106 pitches thru 4 IP. There have been 34 CG of 9+ inning this season that were 106 pitches or fewer

115 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:52 pm

One hit..is Billington Coat Factory still pitching??

How in Zeus's name did Vazquez throw 100+ pitches in FOUR innings???

I'm going to back to sleep..

116 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:52 pm

Good d, Captain. This is FUCKING HORRIBLE.

117 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:53 pm

Mattpat has Wilson Betemit, and in the past I had Miguel Cairo. But this season I have Cervelli, Mitre and Peña on whom to focus irrational dislike.

Come the fuck on, Jeter. Is anyone on this team trying? Are they trying too hard? What the hell.

118 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:53 pm

Damn, Mitre really is unlucky. He happens to be the one pitcher against whom Cabrera runs hard down the first base line.

119 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:53 pm

Vazquez is out of the game now?

I think we've now gotten to the point where he needs to be placed firmly back in the "bad off season move" column. He's been dreadful in the second half

120 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:56 pm

[118] Thanks for the laugh

121 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 8:57 pm

[111] No fear, Thames can play 3b!

122 Sliced Bread   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:02 pm

ah, fuck. Eli knocked out of the game with a bloody gash on his forehead. He just walked off the field looking a little dazed. Had his helmet knocked off. Not good.

123 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:03 pm

The only thing that could make this game worse if it ends with Jose Valverde dancing on the mound.

124 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:04 pm

[123]

Perhaps we can hope Valverde's father-in-law is along for the road trip?

125 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:06 pm

Cervelli should take the 3-1 and 3-2.

126 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:06 pm

So, we've had the 2004 ALCS referenced and Brien Taylor referenced. Any other lowlights in Yankees history going to be referenced?

127 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:07 pm

3 and 1. Curtis best be running.

128 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:07 pm

I'm really beginning to hate Francisco Cervelli.

129 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:08 pm

Why the hell is Cervelli swinging!!! Honestly, Girardi and Cashman both deserve to be destroyed for the role he has played on this team. Both have had awful seasons/off seasons.

130 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:08 pm

Jesus Christ this team.

131 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:08 pm

Jeter's off year and DPs have been frustrating, but I now have zero tolerance for Cervelli.

132 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:10 pm

[129] By destroyed, I mean harshly criticized for Cervelli being on the team, not put down like a rabid animal.

133 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:10 pm

I know that's his first caught stealing of the year, but Granderson has looked surprisingly slow as hell to me all season. I've been very underwhelmed by his closing speed in center.

I can only hope it's the groin, because otherwise, he seems like a guy who doesn't have the extra gear.

I really like getting thrown out to end the inning when the only thing the team had going for them was that Scherzer's pitch count was being pushed close to 100.

134 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:11 pm

[129] I hate to keep beating this drum (no I don't) but it all goes back to the absolutely moronic, cut off my nose to spite my face signing of Nick Johnson. I'll never believe that signing was any more than a big "fuck you" to Johnny Damon, and when Johnson inevitably got hurt and the Yankees had nothing close to a plan B, Cervelli and other fringe bench players became near regulars so Joe could do the rotating DH.

135 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:12 pm

[134] You're preaching to the choir.

136 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:13 pm

and yet .... the team is still in 1st ..

137 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:14 pm

Cervelli is an awful catcher. What the $%^& does he do that impresses Girardi so much?

138 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:14 pm

That would have been a great throw by Cervelli if this were, say, kickball.

139 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:17 pm

Its gotten to the point where I expected Cervelli to throw that ball away

140 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:21 pm

"fairly deep center"

141 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:21 pm

Jackson looks like an excellent defensive center fielder.

142 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:21 pm

Calm down Michael Kay, that was a pop up to CF and nothing more.

143 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:22 pm

Well, at least Jeter can't hit into a DP now.

144 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:22 pm

[137] Fist pump?

145 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:24 pm

Hey hey Cap'n!

146 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:24 pm

So, is Swisher hurt, or is this a chess gambit?

147 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:26 pm

Nice, Swisher is hurt too. Great to have all this wonderful depth now.

148 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:26 pm

Well, *that* was representative of the way this team has been playing recently ...

149 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:26 pm

Scherzer has averaged 3.7 BB per 9 this year .... none tonight.

150 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:27 pm

Time for a HR Tex...this team needs one desparately.

151 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:27 pm

[149]

nevermind ... misread the stat line ....

152 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:28 pm

Another great effort from the major league's best team.

153 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:28 pm

When's the last time the Yanks were shut out 2x in a row?

154 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:28 pm

[141] Jackson can play defense, the concern was with his offense.

155 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:31 pm

[153] May 12-13, 1999 vs. Anaheim.

156 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:31 pm

[155] Finley and Olivares

157 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:32 pm

[155] Wow. 11 years ago. Thanks. i tried searching myself but failed. : )

158 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:33 pm

Phil Coke is coming back to Yankee Stadium. If he doesn't come in and immediately give up a homer to a lefty I'm going to be very annoyed.

159 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:33 pm

The Yankees have played the Tigers at their two lowest points of the season. As the old adage goes, it's not who you play, but when you play them.

160 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:35 pm

[157] They can go for the record tomorrow. Never happened more than three times (on four occassions).

161 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:35 pm

Oh Christ. I've finally warmed up to Logan. I can't handle Marte coming back and returning to the days of two lefties.

162 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:35 pm

Swisher left game with injured right forearm, according to Jack Curry.

163 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:35 pm

I have to say, as much as I was pre-disposed to dislike the very presence of Meat Tray before the season, he's actually had a decent year (when he's been able to pitch), which is far, far more than I can say about Cervelli and Pena.

164 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:36 pm

Let the chess begin in earnest.

165 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:37 pm

Lucky for us Sergio gave 2 and 2/3 good innings. ; )

166 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:37 pm

Why is he lifting Mitre, who is finally pitching well? If the Yankees have any chance of winning this game, they very well may need extra innings. Why burn a pitcher with two outs and no one on?

167 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:39 pm

163) he has been surprisingly good as a reliever, absolutely clobbered...er, unlucky...as a starter. Also, he has been very good when throwing fewer than 50 pitchers but gets smacked around when he throws more.

Who knows, maybe his role really is as a long man.

Maybe.

168 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:40 pm

[166] Joe Girardi has always managed like extra innings are completely impossible.

169 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:40 pm

166) see 167). I would have let Mitre go after the last batter, but I too would hesitate to let him throw more than fifty pitches. So, I can't kill Girardi for pulling him maybe one out too soon.

170 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:41 pm

Well, at least Tampa's losing

171 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:42 pm

I think the Tigers are trying to embarrass Cashman tonight (if he isn't already).

172 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:44 pm

Cabrera hustling and playing defense in the same game. Great.

173 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:44 pm

Oh good, now we've entered the "we're old guys, what's this facebook twitter thing that the kids are talking about" part of the game.

174 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:45 pm

Can't wait to see more of Cervelli and Pena over the next few days.

175 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:45 pm

Interesting that folks here are actually angry at the scrubs, and especially at Brains. As we are playing now, we will not win the WS and may not even make it that far.

The reasons for this are not Cashman, Brains, Mitre or Pena. They are, in order:
#1) My favorite player, ARod:
down 140 OPS pts, lost a step on D and on the base paths, from 20 SBs/yr to maybe 6.
#2) Just a speck behind ARod is Derek Jeter:
down 120 OPS pts, lost a step on D and on the base paths, King of the DP (with the bat, not a starlett).
#3) Grandy Curtisson:
down 90 OPS pts, less SBs, not as good in CF as I had hoped.
#4) Just a speck behind Grandy is Jorge 'Flash' Posada:
down 40 OPS pts, injuries, terrible D, unspeakable baserunning, and an assortment of various mind-numbing plays.
#5) AJ 'schizoid' Burnett. Currently enjoying his worst year, with an 86 ERA+.

Our big Guns are shotting blanks.
Blaming the scrubs is like shooting the messenger.

176 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:46 pm

[175] I don't think we are angry at the scrubs, but at the general manager and manager who dumped them in our lap.

177 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:46 pm

I was still expecting Inge to pick that up and throw out Jorge.

178 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:47 pm

New Swing!

179 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:47 pm

Of all runners to have on base there, it had to be Posada. Anyone else scores.

180 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:48 pm

Jeez, anybody else scores on that. Had to be Posada on the bases...

181 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:48 pm

Simply amazing. Every one of those things had to happen for Jorge to reach.

Now, you have to PH for Cerv.

182 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:48 pm

Playing the percentages against Cervelli? Really?

183 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:48 pm

All that time Long spent with Curtis really fucked up the other hittters.

184 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:48 pm

I think Pena is this year's "Cairo" for me.

Good God, but he's fucking useless at the plate.

And it's not like the Yankees haven't had the option of bringing up Nunez and giving him a shot, all-goddamn-year-long.

185 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:49 pm

Ha! Detroit announcer saying "Posada lumbering around 2nd base..." and "the slow footed Posada is held at 3rd..."

186 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:49 pm

Every single person here felt pain knowing who was on the bases, particularly when the guy bobbled it. Agony.

187 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:50 pm

With Cervelli coming up, maybe they should have sent Posada and hope the throw slipped out of the hand of the relay man. I honestly think there was a better chance of that happening than Cervelli getting a hit.

188 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:50 pm

[181] That would require the manager to be creative and putting Posada in @ C... Which is why it isn't going to happen. I think Thames is the only guy available.

189 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:51 pm

175) Posada's OPS+ is 122, almost exaxtly his career average of 124. You can't ignore that this season is a lower run scoring context.

So, in fact, Posada is NOT part of the problem at all. What IS a problem is a manager who insists on benching Po forty percent of the games to give us maximum Cervelli exposure. You call Cervelli a scrub. In fact, he's been the starting fucking catcher this season.

190 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:51 pm

[175] Management has put the scrubs in a position for people to get angry at them. I don't know how or why Joe Girardi has decided that Cervelli is the type of player that needs to play three times a week, but this is just horrendous player elvaluation.

And Brian Cashman's failure or refusal to sign a legitimate DH has created a problem where all the scrubs play more than they should.

191 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:51 pm

And he swings @ the 1st pitch....

192 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:52 pm

Le sigh.

193 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:52 pm

I can't believe it.

194 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:53 pm

This guy can't be on this team anymore. It's over. He's killing them.

195 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:53 pm

184) he can never be Cairo to me until he starts at 1B.

Sweet fucking Jesus, why not PH for useless Cervelli? So you lose the DH...will Cervelli's spot come up again tonight?

196 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:53 pm

If the Yankees are going to insist on carrying Cervelli, they need to have a third catcher on the roster so you can pinch hit in that situation. If they are going to further insist on only using two catchers (so Gaudin can collect dust in the bullpen), Girardi needs to try something like a two out bunt (it worked for Texas against Boston yesterday).

Cervelli is awful, but Cashman and Girardi deserve unlimited blame for every out he makes.

197 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:54 pm

Cranky Banter this evening..is it really over for Frankie & Ramiro, our very own Nick Punto boys?

198 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:55 pm

Tampa 5 Texas 4...good bye first place.

199 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:55 pm

[188] I would have done it. I think you had to. That was too good an opportunity to waste on a no-hoper like Cervelli.

200 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:55 pm

196) wait, you mean carry only eleven pitchers? Now that's just kooky talk.

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201 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:56 pm

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. I knew that Tampa would take the damn lead and that William would be the one to tell me about it. Kill me.

202 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:56 pm

Maybe it's because of the total incompetence across the river, but Girardi and Cashman wear teflon in this town.

203 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:57 pm

[176] Well, to be honest, most of my irritation comes from the fact that they both keep getting playing time.

When shit isn't working, admit it and FIX THE FUCKING PROBLEM.

The frustration comes when it seems clear that neither Cashman nor Girardi seem even cognizant that there even IS a problem ...

204 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:57 pm

202) well that and winning the big chalupa last season.

205 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:58 pm

Watching Pena on defense makes me wonder how "The Scooter" used to look at short. Pena is listed at 5'11'' while Rizzuto was 5'6''. This fascinates me for some reason.

206 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:59 pm

And Tampa takes the lead.

207 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 9:59 pm

Every time I think of Buck as an Oriole it makes me sad. He should be the manager of the Yankees.

208 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:00 pm

[195] Not Cairo ... "Cairo" ... it's more of a ontological descriptor ...

209 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:00 pm

[204] That.

210 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:00 pm

[204] Cashman winning on try 10 or whatever the hell it was after countless stupid moves shouldn't absolve him of anything.

211 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:03 pm

[195] Ironically enough, the thing that pushed me over the edge with Betemit was when they started using him as a first baseman. Despite the fact that he didn't hit and was bad at every position they tried him at. When Jason Giambi is a marked improvement over you, there's a problem.

212 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:03 pm

[210] Thing is, he has had just as many good moves.

213 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:04 pm

[207] I can't possibly regret a stretch that has seen us win 5 World Series.

214 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:05 pm

Is the Yankees plan to push Wood over 30 pitches in every outing?

215 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:05 pm

[212] Don't bother ...

216 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:06 pm

As is pointed out in the "Pinstriped Bible", Brains is actually one of our better BUCs over the last decade.

Is he playing too much? Sure. Is the reason because Joe likes him? NO!
Girardi was a Catcher. He sees Po everyday.
My guess is he knows better how much Posada can play... then all the cuch managers do.

MP - You are correct about Po's OPS+. However, his OPS in April/May was over 1.000, but has been around .700 since. Whether it be injury, age or just a slump, Posada hasn't been helping much over the last 2.5 months.

217 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:09 pm

[216] Even if true, that's damning with faint praise. Besides, the problem is he has also been one of the most used BUC in recent history.

This is no longer a Cervelli vs. Posada issue. With guys like Montero and Romine in the system, it's time to remove Cervelli from the equation altogether. Also, Posada and Girardi seem to disagree on how much he can play.

218 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:09 pm

[216] If that's the case, then Girardi needs to push for a 3rd catcher. Cervelli is starting way too many games.

219 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:10 pm

[216] I don't think being better than Sal Fasano is all that impressive.

And if Joe Girardi has determined that Jorge Posada is so frail that he can only catch every once in a while, its up to the general manager to find a legitimate starting catcher.

220 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:10 pm

[218] Exactly...or, he should do things like bunt with him much more frequently. Instead, he lets him make out after out.

221 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:10 pm

212) I think that pinstriped bible piece was more an indictment of how shitty the BUCs have been over the last decade or so.

But again, Cervelli is the starting catcher this season, not the BUC. just look at the games started and PAs as a catcher. So let's drop the comparisons to John Flaherty or whatever.

Lastly, if you if you discount Po's early season success and focus on his .700 OPS since then, you should also discount Cwrvelli's early season success and focus on his, what, .500 OPS since May. He's atrocious.

222 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:11 pm

Both Alex and Stick are day-to-day.

At least 2 things went right tonite ...

223 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:13 pm

Words can't describe how bad the offense has been...not just over the last two games but every since the trade deadline.

224 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:13 pm

212) i'm also not convinced that a former no-hit catcher, Girardi doesn't maybe possibly overvalue the (alleged) defensive wizardry, pitch draming and game calling of Cervelli.

225 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:13 pm

Great AB by the Captain....hack away and hit another groundball. Just go home if that's the approach.

226 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:15 pm

[224] That's exactly the problem.

227 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:15 pm

I know it won't matter in the end, but when the Yankees go into the ninth down 2-0, please tell me that Girardi will PH for Peña. Who plays in the field in extra innings secondary to actually trying to get men on base and scoring and getting the game to extra innings.

228 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:15 pm

[221] I don't think people should expect that much from a BUC. Cervelli would be fine if he were a BUC, it's just that playing so much exposes his flaws.

229 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:16 pm

[224] And there's the rub, isn't it? If Cervelli was actually having even a *decent* season defensively, I'd cut him, Girardi and Cashman more slack.

But the truth is, he's been just as big a mess behind the plate as he's been beside it.

230 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:16 pm

See what happens when you work the count, Jetes?

231 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:17 pm

Man, I hope Teix is swinging from his heels here.

232 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:17 pm

Want to shake up this team? Move Jeter down to sixth in the lineup.

233 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:17 pm

[224] Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.

234 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:17 pm

Please, please, please Tex, take this asshole deep.

I wonder if people think Girardi would have pinch hit for Cervelli if Berkman was available. I kind of think he would have.

I still say he had to PH for him, no matter what, in that spot.

235 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:18 pm

229) Yep!

236 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:20 pm

Not sure why Vaverde is pitching to Teix with Pena on deck

237 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:20 pm

Kay, "Remember, on deck is Ramiro Pena."

And with that, I just threw up in my mouth a little ...

238 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:22 pm

P.S. Brains has a career OPS+ of 73. This year, so far, it's 74. So he has been playing as advertised. His D however, has been uncharacteristically bad, as has been his CS%.

239 JeremyM   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:22 pm

[238] That's what I don't get. I thought he had a good glove back there, but he's been as bad as Posada.

240 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:22 pm

Joe's awake.

241 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:23 pm

Thames @ 3b?

242 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:23 pm

238) again, take out his super-hot April and May, and he has been far, far worse than advertised if last year was the advertisement.

243 JeremyM   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:24 pm

[241] You could put Teix at 3rd and Thames at 1st since both have played in those spots, but I might be a little ahead of myself here.... :)

244 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:24 pm

241) presumably, unless Kearns caplay the corner...or Thames at 1B and Teix at 3B, maybe?

245 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:25 pm

[238] Well, the overwhelming reason for that is because *this* year constitutes 2/3rds of his career at bats.

246 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:25 pm

He has yet to see a FB

247 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:26 pm

Swung at ball four.

248 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:26 pm

Lame.

249 JeremyM   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:26 pm

Thames actually has 38 career starts at first.

250 JeremyM   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:27 pm

Ugh. Keep playing Cervelli, that's the way to get the offense going.

251 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:27 pm

[247] He was looking fastball, got the split

252 randym77   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:28 pm

Yanks have been rather depressing this month.

253 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:28 pm

238) Cervelli's OPS by month:

.848, .768, .521, .505, .267

Yes, .267.

254 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:29 pm

"New York Mets closer Francisco Rodriguez suffered a torn ligament in his right thumb while allegedly striking the grandfather of his children last week at Citi Field, a team official said, and he is done for the season."

This is the same injury as Youk? I thought this was pretty rare. Was Youk actually beating up his father-in-law?

255 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:29 pm

Heh ... in looking up Cervelli's at bat totals, I noticed this from the people who sponsor his BBRef space:


Frankie, you are a beast. Keep playing like a champion.

256 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:29 pm

Good job keeping Cervelli's bat in the lineup. Absurd. Please take the Cubs job, Joe....please.

257 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:29 pm

Wow, Girardi has found a way to feature Cervelli even more!!

258 JeremyM   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:29 pm

Has Lee even been that good for Texas? It seems like he's given up quite a few runs in most of his starts down there, though I haven't been following that closely.

259 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:29 pm

Ha! Cervelli @ 3b, Posada catching... Kinda makes you wonder why Girardi didn't go with this alignment earlier, PH'ing for Cervelli and putting Posada in @ C.

260 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:30 pm

254) "This is the same injury as Youk?"

Youk was smacking one of his elderly relatives upside the head, too?

261 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:31 pm

[258] He was excellent until his last start against the Yankees. Has blown two leads since.

262 randym77   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:31 pm

Gameday still has Pena in the game.

263 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:31 pm

Two things.

1. When am I allowed to complain about the genius of Kevin Long? Yeah he's just super duper but we're about to be shut out twice in a row and the team is lifeless.

2. Alex - Allen Barra says hey. I saw him read from his Rickwood book tonight and he'll be at the Birmingham public library tomorrow. Allan says that Piper Davis should be in the HOF and needs an author. Whaddaya say, Al?

264 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:33 pm

That's the perfect night cap.

265 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:33 pm

I also think Joe takes it for granted that we're going to make the playoffs. If I hear "so and so just needs a little rest" one more time I'm going to scream. Hopefully we're resting them all for something

266 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:33 pm

What can you do on that.

267 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:34 pm

[265] I hear in Chicago, they afford players plenty of rest! It really is a wonderful town in which to manage.

268 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:34 pm

[264] It was a good pitch, a ball low and away. Credit to Cabrera.

269 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:35 pm

268) yep.

270 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:35 pm

[268] Joe Maddon refused to pitch to him with a base open, but I digress.

271 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:36 pm

[263] Yesterday and tonite is on KEVIN LONG???

Jesus, people ...

272 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:36 pm

Death, taxes and Joba sucking.

273 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:36 pm

I am rapidly lose faith in this teams ability to make the postseason. I think the Yankees are going down the tubes. The schedule turns vicious pretty soon.

274 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:36 pm

Miguel Cabrera..he's close to Pujols now as best hitter in the game. Love watching him swing the lumber!

This game already forgotten, Yanks will roll through the playoffs..I am confident!

275 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:36 pm

[270] Regardless, it was a pitch low and away and out the zone.

276 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:37 pm

[271] Kevin Long is one of the few hitting coaches that I think is actually valuable.

277 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:37 pm

274) the good news is that they will be especially well rested.

278 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:38 pm

[275] It was a good pitch, I agree, but hitters of Cabrera's ability are able to hit good pitches out of the ballpark. That's why you don't let them beat you when possible. It doesn't really matter because the Yankees have quit on this game already.

279 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:38 pm

[274] I'm confident that Girardi will make a decent postseason analyst/guest on TBS. I'm not kidding. The Yankees will miss the postseason this year. I'm so pissed off.

280 randym77   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:39 pm

I think Joey Votto might be better than Pujols even, at least this year. He's been a beast.

281 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:41 pm

[279] You know Cal, if I was managing this team, I'd rest Howard in game two. I like what I see in Ross Gload.

282 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:42 pm

[271] please tell me when I am allowed to bitch about Kevin long? I would like to know the rule on that.

283 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:42 pm

Good start. Make him throw some pitches here.

284 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:42 pm

[278] So, you never throw Cabrera a pitch? He was already 0-3 on the day.

285 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:42 pm

[253] Are you trying to say Brains has no bat?
Is this news to anyone?
Do you think I believe Brains in better then Po?

My point is Po (and ARod and Jeter) are CORE players, and guys we DEPEND ON. Brains is a BUC. If Posada is injured and Brains plays 162 games, he is STILL a BUC.

Should Cashman have gotten another Catcher? With Jesus and Romine in the Pipeline, and not a lot of decent Catchers who want to backup Po, maybe this wasn't doable.

If Brains is playing too much, it's because Po CAN'T PLAY MORE. BEFORE the year started, BEFORE Po broke his foot, BEFORE Po's cyst became a problem, both Po and Joe said Po would catch 100-110 games (60-65%). So what should we expect now?

Should Girardi push Po (while we are currently in the PS), and increase the odds of him being tired/hurt for October? This is what you would do?

Pena and Brains both suck with the bat. Whether they play 1 game or 162 games, they are borderline BUs at best. If they play too much, it's not their fault... and we can't expect them to produce more then we know they are capable of.

There's always Chad the Mole. You prefer that?

286 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:43 pm

Or, instead, swing away.

287 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:43 pm

[283] So much for that...

288 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:44 pm

Hopefully CC will pinch hit for Cervelli.

289 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:45 pm

[288] That would be awesome, actually

290 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:45 pm

Grandy offers a slight glimmer of light for the rest of the season.
MVP: Kevin Long!

291 Jon DeRosa   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:46 pm

take 3 strikes, do not swing.

292 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:46 pm

285) If Brains is playing too much, it’s because Po CAN’T PLAY MORE.

I don't share this assumption at all. I think that girardi is committed to his rotation regardless of how much Po can actually catch, the same way he was committed to starting Molina in the playoffs last year.

Of course I can't prove this, but then neither can you prove your aasumption. Butu I know that if I managed this team I would try to get as much as possible out of Po, rather than reat him for the playoffs that my team might not make.

293 Jon DeRosa   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:47 pm

just go up there and take the bat away

294 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:48 pm

292)...rather than rest him...

295 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:48 pm

Joe Maddon would undoubtedly ibb Gardner to induce a Jeter double play.

296 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:48 pm

Posada grounds out.
Cervelli walks.
Cervelli is a better player then Posada.
That's right!
CERVELLI IS BETTER THEN POSADA!!!??!!?!111!!

297 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:48 pm

[285] I don't believe that Posada is so fragile that this is all he can catch. I didn't believe that the entire team was so fragile that Ramiro Pena and Kevin Russo and Colin Curtis needed to play as much as they have and did. I think Girardi is way, way overdoing it with the rest, and I hope it doesn't bite us in the ass.

298 Jon DeRosa   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:48 pm

many thanks, franshitsco

299 randym77   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:48 pm

Clutch HBP for Frankie!

300 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:49 pm

[299] It didn't hit him

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301 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:50 pm

Taketaketaketaketaketaketake

302 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:50 pm

[282] Well, given the level of insight presented in your original assertion, I'd go with "never", just to be on the safe side ...

303 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:50 pm

Smoke 'em if ya' got 'em, Leyland.

304 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:51 pm

Aaaaaaaaaaaagh.

Only with Po on 3rd ... only with Po ...

305 randym77   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:51 pm

[300] Oh, I thought it did.

Man, Valverde can't hit the broad side of a barn.

306 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:52 pm

Nice of Leyland to sneak in an extra visit there

307 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:52 pm

If the pitcher throws a WP into the stands, will Po be able to score?

308 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:53 pm

GRITTY AB THERE!

309 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:53 pm

If Jeter swings at the 1st pitch the Banter will explode.

310 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:53 pm

Captain GIDP up at bat...

311 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:54 pm

307) tough call on that, I admit. i mean, I was not entirely sure he would score on this bases loaded walk!

312 randym77   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:54 pm

Can't believe he's leaving Valverde in there.

313 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:54 pm

Jeter? Oy...

314 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:54 pm

Please no DP...

315 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:54 pm

SWING AT STRIKE.

316 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:54 pm

301. monkeypants
August 16th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Taketaketaketaketaketaketake

317 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:55 pm

[314] This.

318 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:55 pm

Jeter swings @ the next pitch?

319 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:56 pm

Sigh.

320 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:56 pm

[318] Yep. Ball 3

321 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:56 pm

Dear Derek,
If you get a hit here, you can sleep over my house tonight.
Lovingly,
ARod

322 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:56 pm

316) yep, one of the rare times when I would have had the take no matter what sign on.

323 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:57 pm

Grrrrrr.

LET THAT HIT YOU.

324 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:57 pm

Send the Runners! : )

325 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:57 pm

TOFTT, Jetes...

326 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:57 pm

TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!

327 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:57 pm

[312] Fernando Rodney isn't surprised.

328 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Unfuckingbelievable.

329 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Fucking GIDP. Fuck.

330 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Was that Ball 4????

331 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Jesus Christ

332 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Thanks, Cap'n, thanks ...

Just fucking awful.

333 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

I hate Derek Jeter right now. You cannot be serious.

334 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

This series is going to turn ugly on that one.

335 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Coulda blown out Guillen's knee there

336 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Derek Jeter ladies and gentleman. The Yankees are a sinking ship and Derek Jeter is their Captain. That was an awful at bat.

337 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm

This team is in a lot of trouble.

338 Just Fair   ~  Aug 16, 2010 10:59 pm

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

339 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:00 pm

If I see Francisco Cervelli in the game tomorrow I'm going to lose my fucking mind. Joe has to start managing like the games matter.

340 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:00 pm

Ack.

That looked painful at 2nd.

Fuck.

To riff on what the the Joker said in "Batman" ... "This team needs an enema."

341 randym77   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:01 pm

Sigh. Sure seems like Jete is hitting a lot of GIDPs these days.

342 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:01 pm

Yanks just lost to a 19-36 team, while the Rays were beating a 28-26 team to tie for first place.

Disastrous.

I am in awe of Captain GIDP right now.

He is the destroyer of worlds

343 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:01 pm

330) according to gameday, every ball that Jeter swung at was in the zone.

344 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:01 pm

Jetes, I was kinda joking in [310]

345 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:04 pm

Bottom Line:
If Jeter and ARod don't pick it up for the next 6 weeks, we will be lucky to win the WC.

346 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:04 pm

I just lost my mind over here. Letter to management must be coming right up. Can't there be an exemption for a lunatic outburst when something that messed up happens?

I kind of defy you to be a baseball fan and not lose your shit over that.

347 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:05 pm

[344] Don't worry, Raf; it's obvious the team is not taking anything we say to heart...

348 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:05 pm

[343] Yeah, and after a couple of calls earlier in the game, even if they weren't I can understand why he would swing at them... Would've seen a nice punch the other way or a 'K' rather than a double play

349 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:06 pm

It was thrown right at the damn padding... why didn't you take one for the team

<Nancy Kerrigan howl Waaaaahhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyy? Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhyyyyyy?

350 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:06 pm

[346] I didn't lose my shit, just shook my head.

351 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:06 pm

The Yankees may not only be a team poised for a late season collapse, but the future doesn't look too bright unless so big changes are made during the off season.

352 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:06 pm

dammit, computer just ate my

dammit to hell

353 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:07 pm

Hmmm - that's interesting - I guess a "" doesn't show up.

354 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:08 pm

348) maybe he should have taken strike two (2-1) to see if the ump would give the call to the wild pitcher, but aftfer that he sorta kinda had to protect the plate. But yeah, I wish he would have just missed the ball instead of the seemingly inevitable DP.

355 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:08 pm

Ok, now HTML is just taunting me.

I'm trying to make the close bold/italics/etc. thing, but it ain't happening.

356 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:08 pm

I think we also need to talk about what a wreck Javier Vazquez has become again.

357 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:09 pm

[354] He absolutely has to take the 2-1 pitch for the very reason you mentioned. Swinging at the pitch was just awful.

358 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:10 pm

But please, don't anyone complain about sacred/cow GENIUS Kevin Long who took these rag-tag hitters who were NOTHING before he met them and turned them into the fine players you see today

359 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:12 pm

356) I guess. But on the ladder of problems this evening, he on a pretty low rung. In the end he was inefficient but his performance was not devastating.

360 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:12 pm

I am still in awe of Derek Jeter's ability to hit into the soul-crushing double play.

That was like the Michelangelo of hitting into double plays.

361 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:12 pm

oh good, Tampa won...well that's just fucking perfect

362 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:13 pm

[354] I kinda figured that he would be swinging @ the 2-1 pitch, and I thought it was ball 3.

363 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:14 pm

The worst part about Derek Jeter's sudden decline is you just know he is going to be the last person to acknowledge it. In that spot, he needed to be like Cervelli or Gardner and make Valverde get two strikes on his own, but I am sure Jeter still thinks he is the hitter he once was. That form of denial could make for an ugly end of his career.

364 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:16 pm

[359] I'm surprised he had 6 k's in 4 innings

365 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:16 pm

jjmerlock eats his fist

film at 11

I don't think I've ever seen a horror movie that disturbed me more than watching that ball in "ohmyfuckinglordthisisnothappening" motion off of Jeter's bat.

Maybe Rosemary's Baby. But that was some profoundly creepy shit.

366 Jon DeRosa   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:16 pm

third time in a row i've had to recap a soul-crusher, spew where ever you prefer, NPUT.

367 Raf   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:18 pm

[366] Ah, so it's YOUR fault... JINX!

368 Jon DeRosa   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:21 pm

[367] that has definitely occurred to me, i need a trip to scranton, or at least the pine.

369 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:21 pm

363) Swinging at a clear strike on 2-1 is not really the issue...I think you're focusing on the wrong thing, because you want to make this a failure of approach as opposed to simply a failure of execution. OK, so maybe he should have taken and it still would have been 2-2, and then he still would have been forced to protect the plate. I would have preferred that he take, but I am not going to get too worked up about it.

The far bigger issue is Jeter's extreme groundball to flyball ratio. He hit into a DP not because he is in denial or shortsighted or selfish or morally flawed or whatever and did not take a strike on 2-1, he hit into a DP because he is hitting weak grounballs to the shortstop at a disturbing rate.

And of course, the bigger issue than that is the team as a whole is simply not hitting. Add in a few a blackholes getting too much PT and, well, we see the results.

370 Jon DeRosa   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:24 pm

[369] i don't think jeter should have swung at 2-1, and i think it was definitely going to be called a ball (even though it was a strike) because the catcher was moving clear across the plate to catch it. but jeter couldn't have known that he was missing the spot by so much, so i guess you're right.

371 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:27 pm

363) In that spot, he needed to be like Cervelli or Gardner and make Valverde get two strikes on his own...

And this is a bir misleading. Cervelli and Gardner never saw strike two, so we don't know if they would have been taking or not. The 2-1 pitch to Jeter was, however, a strike, so he was faced with a different scenario than the previous two batters.

372 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:30 pm

[369] It wasn't a clear strike. It was borderline at best, and the umpire was probably not going to give Valverde the benefit of the doubt. One way to avoid failing to produce to allow your opponent that honor. If it was Tex, or Cano or even Arod, I'd have no problem with trying to seize the moment, but Jeter is now in a position where he needs to take a backseat.

You are correct in what Jeter's biggest problems are, but those are the reasons he needed to not swing the bat (because it increases the chances of all the negative things that keep happening when he puts the ball in play).

373 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:31 pm

[371] I wasn't assuming they were taking, but suggesting those types of hiiters (Gardner a singles hitter and Cervelli an awful one) need make Valverde hang himself. Jeter has become such a hitter.

374 monkeypants   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:33 pm

372) whatever...it looked on gameday to be a clear strike, easily within the one inch or so tolerance that gameday claims.

375 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:36 pm

[374] It may have been, but PitchFX has three pitches that were called a ball as being with in the strike zone. In fact, one of the balls to Jeter was in the zone (same horizontal location but higher). Valverde was not going to be given a close call. It was Jeter's job to test that theory.

376 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:36 pm

Walk off hit for Melky in Atlanta...remember when he used to do that in the Bronx?

377 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 16, 2010 11:38 pm

New thread up.

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