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Ivan Nova, the World is Yours.

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1 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:10 pm

I want to say "You do NOT want to walk this guy" but really, who cares?

2 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:13 pm

The bottom of the lineup is so weak. I wonder if:

Brett Gardner LF
Eduardo Nunez SS
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Ramiro Pena 3B
Francisco Cervelli C

might even things out a bit?
Can Nunez bunt?

3 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:14 pm

Why is YES airing the Scranton game?

4 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:16 pm

[2] No need to "even things out". The Yankees to need to bunch their good hitters together and make sure Swisher gets more ABs than Nunez.

5 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:16 pm


6 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:17 pm

A little 2 out RISP from Po would be nice here....

7 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:18 pm

Long Ball here from Po..........

8 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:18 pm

And Po takes a meatball on 3-1.

9 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:18 pm

Take the two fastballs down the middle and swing at the breaking pitch. Very nice.

10 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:20 pm

As soon as Posada let that fb go right by him, I knew he was going to flail at the next pitch

11 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:20 pm

[5] Ribbie, Ribbie, Ribbie, buzzed should work.

Not complaining, just wondering...is Michael Kay wanted in Canada? He never goes to Toronto.

12 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:20 pm

1st career starts really fire me up. Let's go, Kid!

13 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:21 pm

Ok Nova, make me a believa.

14 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:21 pm


15 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:22 pm

11) I don't want him up here.

16 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:22 pm

[12] The Yankees history in first starts is very ugly though.

17 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:22 pm

Hm, this is shaping up suboptimally.

18 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:22 pm

Not a great beginning....

19 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:22 pm

This kid is a bum

20 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:23 pm

The problem with starting Nova is the Yankees plan on pushing everyone back. So, he has a bad start, it will be in addition to, not instead of, Vazquez' bad start.

21 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:24 pm

[20] I didn't know that. Sad news

22 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:24 pm

[16] Ya' don't say. ugh....

23 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:24 pm

You can see Nova is kind of yanking the ball toward home plate.

24 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:25 pm

Hm, unless Joe can figure out a way to have Rob take every other AB, we're going to have trouble winning this game.

25 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:25 pm

20) we'll see if they follow through with plan. my guess is that if he shines tonight, he displaces Vasquez or Mosely, and if he stinks it up he simply pushes every one back one start...with an offday on Thursday, this lets Girardi reset his rotation. His pitching rotation, I mean.

26 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:25 pm

This is heading nowhere fast.

27 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:25 pm

I smell a grand salami or double or something

28 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:26 pm

Uh, ok??

29 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:26 pm

Hells YEAH!!!!

30 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:26 pm

The Grit! When will they learn?

31 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:26 pm

24) "dammit, Jim, I'm a chessmaster not a magician."


32 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:26 pm

JD COULDN'T DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

33 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:27 pm

If Cervelli botched that one the Banter would have exploded.

34 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:27 pm

[22] Since 2000, the Yankees are 9-7 in 16 such games, but the pitchers have a 6.54 ERA.

35 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:27 pm

and it wasn't even a phantom tag!

36 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:28 pm

Steroid filled arm of Gardner. Just the arm

37 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:28 pm

Just a wonderful throw.

Strong, accurate and low enough to be cut to keep the runner from advancing.

38 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:28 pm

[25] That was my thinking, but Girardi reiterated he is pushing everyone back, so who knows.

39 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:28 pm

35) well, you know Cervelli, not flashy...effective, but not showy.

40 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:28 pm

The Jays fell right into Joe's Gritner trap. Fools.

41 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:29 pm

Then again sometimes watching Cervelli behind the plate reminds one of Po.

42 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:29 pm

Uber-optimal. Lots of freaking action for only 16 pitches. Word.

43 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:29 pm

97mph...not bad...now, can he locate it?

44 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:30 pm

Damn, he just hit 97 on that last pitch.

Way to reach back and get out of it rook!

45 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:30 pm

Ivan Nova has balls, anyway.

46 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:30 pm

Wow. What a favor. That pitch was nowhere near the zone!

47 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:30 pm

Ivan Nova .... welcome to the show.

48 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:30 pm

Nice! Nova with the {cream} cheese, and gets the final out. This is the big leagues. Your team picks you up...now settle down.

49 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:31 pm

The kid is a stud

50 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:31 pm

[47] He might, but ya might check Brains after that crossup. He looked like he caught the ball between his legs.

51 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:32 pm

Posada's non-tag the other night was immortal, just amazing. He and that ump should go on tour ... The dynamic duo

52 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:33 pm

With three consecutive nine hitters up, I guess Grandy should be running?

53 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:34 pm

Cripes, Jeter could have done that!

54 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:34 pm

[52] Whoa.
Hm, does that mean Mo pitches the 7th inning?

55 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:35 pm

[52] I would say that is a yes, but no

56 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:36 pm

54) I'm not sure...it all depends when the eighth inning is played. As you always say, baseball is hard, and confusing.

57 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:36 pm

I wonder if the Yanks have ever had a 7/8/9 with fewer ML PAs than tonight ...

58 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:37 pm

[56] We need Mike Mussina to explain it to us.

59 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:37 pm

Pena! The best of three #9 hitters.

60 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:37 pm

Well, at least we'll clear the pitcher's spotsss this inning.

61 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:37 pm

"excuse me: fuck you"

Peña to Monkeypants. August 23, 2010.

62 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:38 pm

Ramiro Peña would like us to eat shit, by the way.

63 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:38 pm

60) ahhh...you beat me too it!

; )

64 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:38 pm

[61] Ramiro brings out the worst in us, doesn't he?

65 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:42 pm

Quick note or two about Damon:

RSN is absolutely ready to forgive and forget that he's a traitah
The "stoic Varitek" smiled when he heard the Sox had put the claim in on Damon.
Ortiz said (jokingly) "Let me call him right now, he'll come if I tell him just one thing." (I wonder what it is.)

Damon has not merely a no-trade, but a player movement clause in his contract. That means that even if the Tigers were to let him go with no trade, the Sox could not pick up his contract without Damon's permission. That could be important: some people think Damon wants a contract extension and will use his veto if he doesn't get one.

66 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:44 pm

Dumb question: I had assumed it was Peña at SS and Nuñez at 3B, but it's the opposite...why, I wonder? Has Nuñez played 3B before in MiL?

67 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:44 pm

Max Bialystock has done it again ...

68 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:45 pm

Boy, after reading all these comments, and not knowing what the score was, I was sure the Yanks were down at least a couple of runs.

Imagine my surprise when I find them winning.

Ah, the Banter - long may it kvetch!

69 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:45 pm

That's the thing with Molina, he always hustles.

70 unmoderated   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:45 pm

wait, was Nova wearing #41 in the first or did I just imagine that?

71 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:48 pm

I already think I like Nova more than Mosely. Another few innings and I may have to transfer the LIAB moniker.

72 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:48 pm

[66] A few games.
I assume they think Peña is a better fielder and will get more plays at SS.

73 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:49 pm

Nova looked like he just got off the Cyclone at Coney Island after the final out. No muy sereno.

74 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:49 pm

Correction: four #9 batters in a row?

75 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:49 pm

72) yes, I assume that as well...so why is Peña at SS and Nuñez at 3B? Or is this another one of those baseball-is-confusing things?

76 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:50 pm

75) why isn't ?

77 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:50 pm

[75] Uh, because they think he's a better fielder... and will get more plays at SS.
That was my explanation, but now I'm really confused.

78 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:51 pm

Actually, I thought Nuñez was playing 3rd.

79 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:53 pm

[75] Well, Nunez did pick up some sort of "best defensive ss" in the IL this year (though he never had much of a rep before) and Pena's got more experience at 3rd, so they probably felt this alignment maximizes the leftside defence.

80 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:53 pm

78) Right...so did I until I actually paid attention to the Jays announcers. hence my pastadivingpeña crack back at the top of the thread.

Anyway' no big deal. i was just curious.

81 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:54 pm

Two Out Score Truck?

82 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:54 pm

Well, all those tildes look alike to me.

83 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:55 pm

81) Not this inning.

84 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:56 pm

Ugh. I forgot that he doesn't get a hit every time.

Baseball is hard.

85 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:56 pm

[65] Ortiz said (jokingly) “Let me call him right now, he’ll come if I tell him just one thing.” (I wonder what it is.)

(1) (Psst, Johnny: free slider-flavored stanozol on me...)
(2) (Psst, Josh thinks you're cute...)
(3) (Psst... Manny's on his way here to kick Youk's ass...)
(4) (Psst... we saved your beard clippings for you...)
(5) "You'll have the best arm in the outfield, man, c'mon!"

etc, etc...

86 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:58 pm

[68] Bronx Banter is my favorite brand of kvetchup >;)

87 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 7:59 pm

Heckuva play by Nuñez...was Teix on the bag? Can't tell.

88 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:00 pm

[86] Anticipation... is making me hate...

89 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:02 pm

Goundballs > Flyballs.

90 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:02 pm

Party's over, Ivan.

91 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:02 pm

Meh, not the guy to hang one to.

92 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:03 pm

[91] Cervelli's fault.

93 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:04 pm

[88] We may never know about the plays to come...

94 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:08 pm

Apparently peppering the outside corner with 97 mph heaters and nothing but 97 mph heaters to Bautista was not in the scouting report. But why?

95 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:08 pm

I'm breaking my no posting during a game for this. G*& fucking dammit, motherfucker, how do you suck that bad at your job and still keep the damn job? Where else can you do that? I guess government.

I'm pretty sure if you take a gigantic crap on a happy meal, the manager calls you over and you're fucking fired.

And I'm not bitching that it's something against our team - they just suck, suck, suck. Suck period. In no one's favor. Just shitty. All the time.

Only these humps let Jorge get away with his mystical tags.

But holy shit, you just impacted the whole damn game.

Man on third, pitch count climbing, Cano at the plate. That ball wasn't a little off. It wasn't even close to a strike. You fucking suck if you ever make a call that bad.

And then you blow the damn play at first. Holy crap. Seven years of umping softball, never missed a single damn call at first. EVER.

Look at the guy's fucking feet. As a first baseman, that play pisses me off in every which way.

And then a home run. It was two outs, not one out, man on for the homer.

Unreal. I'm sick of these umps being such a disgrace. I hope Selig chokes on his tie. Fuck.

96 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:11 pm

I once had a really bad acid trip, jj.

97 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:12 pm

It ain't crazy to be angry. These umps are tripping. How fucking high do you have to be to call that pitch to Cano a strike?

I'm saying this - if you think that pitch is a strike, you shouldn't be allowed to drive your car.

98 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:13 pm

95) I dig what you're saying. i agree.

But I am curious, how could you possibly know that you didn't blow any calls when umping softballunless you reviewed all of the replays after the game? ; )

99 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:15 pm

kvetchup, nova, cream cheese, bialys (sp)...this thread is hungry.

100 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:16 pm

Damn, the kid does look like he could be a useful addition. Yeah, bad mistake to Bautista, but still.

Sorry, jj, no offense. I was just injecting a little levity.

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101 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:19 pm

[98] I admit it's unscientific, but... in seven years, never had a complaint with an ounce of passion behind it. When I call a guy out, the guy knows he's fucking out.

And I'm not exaggerating with the zero complaints thing, and believe me, people bitch in our league.

Now part of it is that I'm always in position, because I'm not a fat, over the hill lazy union protected fuck. And I hope my comments are not construed as any broader statement on unions. But I hate the umpire's union.

I guess I wasn't fat and over the hill before law school, to be more precise.

It's effort, passion, and God given freaking ability though. And if these guys were actually put to the test, there would be other folks occupying a bunch of those jobs. These guys suck. And like Paulie said, they're completely unaccountable.

And so far, they completely changed the game by being so horse crap tonight.

102 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:19 pm

Maybe Peña would hit better if his batting helmet wasn't always sitting down low over his eyes?

103 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:21 pm

[100] Oh, no offense taken, trust me.

That wasn't meant to be a calm, poised, balanced post or anything.

104 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:21 pm

This game is flying by.

105 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:22 pm

The bottom of this lineup is just making me sad, though at least NuñezPeñaCervelli made the pitcher work a little this inning.

106 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:23 pm

Well, at least we don't have to see Gardner not steal 2nd.

107 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:26 pm

Meanwhile, speaking of acid trips, just how long has that trip been for the Seattle GM?

That guy probably can't remember what it feels like to not see mauve, ochre, and chartreuse everywhere.

And how the heck does firefox not know that ochre is a word?

108 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:26 pm

Singleton's "high and lazy" > MK's DEEEEEEEEPPPPPPP.

109 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:26 pm

[105] How ironic that Jeter's absence is making you sad.

Hm, is that ironic? I'm never sure. Is it just unexpected?

110 51cq24   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:26 pm

how has nova looked?

111 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:27 pm

[108] Kenny may be high, but he's not lazy.

112 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:28 pm

[110] In the first inning he had a little of the deer-in-the-headlights look. But he got out of it, and he's looked pretty good. (One big mistake to Bautista.)

113 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:29 pm

He's certainly looked good enough that I want him starting Jomerun Javy's next couple of starts ...

114 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:30 pm

[110] I've seen a hell of a lot to like. And he's only given one run up tonight. The other is on the guy rattling a cup and banging into shit down the right field line.

Seen a lot more to like than I've seen out of Javy in recent memory, I'll tell you that.

115 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:30 pm

[111] oy. : )

116 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:32 pm

Incredible. They get a guy thrown out. Believe me, the call to Robbie was waaaaay worse.

117 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:32 pm

[110] Looks pretty good so far.

118 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:32 pm

WTF just happened? The Jays announcers are steamed tha the SS got thrown out. Weird.

119 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:33 pm

[105] Nupeñelli... yumpin' yiminy!

Cito & Escobar out of the game. Sensitive umps or did we miss a good show?

120 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:33 pm

[118] Escobar was arguing balls and strikes, the umpire followed him out there and threw him out. Cito went out there and was thrown out as well.

121 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:33 pm

Wait, I missed about ten minutes and something happened. Why was Escobar ejected?

122 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:33 pm

You're an idiot, Shish. It's all over the inside corner. Swing the fucking bat.

123 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:34 pm

I'll normally give Swisher the benefit of a good batting eye, but that looked pretty damn good.

124 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:34 pm

It feels like the Yankees have 4 hitters in this lineup.

125 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:34 pm

Uh oh, Chessmaster Joe wishes to check Cito's endgame?

126 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:34 pm

But were there close calls? I don't remember that AB being esp. loathsome.

127 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:34 pm

That would explain why the game is moving so quickly...

128 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:35 pm

Why exactly is Jack Zduriencik well regarded?

129 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:35 pm


Morrow's plain dealin' tonite.

130 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:35 pm

124) and all of them batting third and fourth.

131 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:38 pm

[126] Nova snapped off a nasty 12-6 curveball. Cervell caught it just above the dirt down the middle, but it crossed the front of the plate a tad below the knees. It's a strike 1 out of 10 times.

132 51cq24   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:38 pm

that's a nasty slider

133 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:38 pm

[128] Because Bavasi was that bad... Of course, it helps that Zduriencik was there when the Brewers got good.

134 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:39 pm

[133] Trading Morrow for League and passing up on Montero could be two huge blunders that haunt the Mariners for some time to come.

135 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:40 pm

Whoo-hooo. Atta boy, Jorge!

136 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:40 pm

Tie game...

137 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:40 pm

Huge hit by JoPo.

138 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:40 pm

Jo Po with a Big Blo!

139 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:40 pm

Well, that was optimal...

140 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:40 pm

Score Truck!!!

141 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:41 pm


142 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:42 pm

Mariners tie the game on three singles and an error.

143 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:44 pm

Nova's only at 65 pitches. If he breezes through the 6th, I bet it's batter to batter from then on out. Maybe he'll go 9. : )

144 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:44 pm

[124] Cano and his Court?
HOLY SHIT! Posada makes a positive contribution!

On JD... we should remember he turned down 2/$14m from Cashman ("I LOVE being a Yankee,,, I LOVE NY... I REALLY LOVE NY.... I REALLY want to come back.... I shouldn't say this but I REALLY WANT TO COME BACK!!!?) and ended up with 1/$8 in Pollutionville. He may be easygoinfg,but the guy definitely has an ego.

145 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:44 pm

Granderson can really have a bad at bat.

146 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:45 pm

[143] So no Mitre?

147 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:45 pm

[143] Only 65 pitches? Holy Carl Sagan, Nova! Well done!

148 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:45 pm

Morrow got to be out of the game soon, at least. So, if Nova can hold them this inning, and then the relievers do their thing, the Yankees should have two more cracks at the Jays BP.

149 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:47 pm

Throw the goddamnd ball on the outside corner. Each time. Fuck that. In the outside batter's box. FUCK YOU JOSE

150 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:47 pm

[144] However, he did back of his demand. I guess he didn't think Nick Johnson would stay healthy for too long either.

For Brian Cashman's sake (and mine), I just hope Damon isn't doing damage against the Yankees at the end of September.

151 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:48 pm

I was going to complain, but maube he DID throw at him intentionally. he certainly didn't back down to Bautista.

152 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:48 pm

I really hope Nova didn't throw at Bautista because he hit a homer.

153 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:48 pm

Girardi needs to get the bullpen up now. A rookie under this circumstance can lose control fast.

154 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:49 pm

Was there a mound melee? What happened?

155 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:49 pm

If something goes down, the guys in the bullpen are too far away; no sense running out to the fray

156 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:49 pm

Cervelli can't even handle a confrontation properly. Girardi needed to get between Nova and Bautista.

157 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:50 pm

Sit down Bautista.

158 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:50 pm

[155] One rule baseball should institute is no leaving the bullpen.

159 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:51 pm

Morrow at 104 pitches.
It would be nice to get him out during the 7th.

These baseball 'brawls' are just for sissies.
These guys should run and put on bobbysocks and skirts before they all charge out onto the field.

Jeez... I miss the Munson/Fisk days.

160 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:51 pm

I'm looking forward to his next start already.

161 51cq24   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:52 pm

how hard has his fastball been all game? the one that bautista flied out on said 96, but the gun seems to have trouble when a batter makes contact.

162 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:52 pm

[154] Fastball up and over Bautista's head. Bautista took exception, Nova shrugged him off.

163 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:52 pm


164 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:52 pm

That seemed like a play that should be made. I wish Girardi would have played Pena at SS, where is much better.

165 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:53 pm


After a dinky single and only 73 pitches???

166 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:53 pm

159) he's already out, according to the Jays broadcast (which showed the pitching coach giving him the ol' attaboy during the break).

Pulling Nova now? seriously? i guess it's better to err early than late, but I'm not sure I like this.

167 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:53 pm

[161] Scotuing report on him was 92-97, and that's exactly where he was all game.

168 51cq24   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:53 pm

[159] i liked when porcello took youkilis down a couple years ago

169 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:53 pm

[159] I dunno about that, there was a pretty nasty one between the Reds and Cardinals not too long ago.

170 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:54 pm

164) Peña mist have been playing really deep, and he took a weird circle route to the ball. The question, is Nuñez any better at 3B?

171 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:54 pm

[164] Pena played that fine. Wells is fast. You think ARod makes that play?

172 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:54 pm


Why is this kid out of the game?

Roid rage for Bautista?

I still cannot fathom how he suddenly is Barry Bonds.

173 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:55 pm

Nova's avergae fastball was 94.37. Morrow's was 94.04.

174 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:55 pm

I'm with Flaherty. Push button Joe jumping the gun. Let's see what he's got!

175 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:55 pm

[166] Are you doubting the Chessmaster?

176 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:55 pm

Who knows...we may see Mitre after all.

177 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:56 pm

Whoa.... first row. Very Hot Babe alert!

178 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:56 pm

[170] Not sure, but considering he is going to be playing there in place of Alex, they might as well get him acclimated there.

179 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:57 pm

[172] People keep throwing him fastballs down the middle

180 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:57 pm

[171] Arod's arm is much stronger, so yes, I do. Pena also circled it, which Arod would not have done, IMHO.

181 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:58 pm

[177] Behind home in the retro Jays cap?

182 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 8:59 pm

My guess is Nova feels pretty good about himself. Maybe even a bit cocky.
One bad pitch could have changed that.
So maybe Joe got him out for a reason.

183 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:00 pm

[150] Compassion for Cashman? Unexpected!

This has been a very interesting game to watch.

Smoking Nova did good!

184 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:00 pm

[181] Light skinned black chick. Very nice.

185 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:01 pm

[182] In that situation, Nova's heart had to be pumping, which could lead to overthrowing the fastball...something you don't want to do against a team that swings for the fences. I don't mind lifting him in that scenario, although it would have been interesting to see how he responded to the adversity.

186 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:01 pm

[182] In my get off my lawn moment.
That's what's wrong with kids today. Mo forbid they learn something. But no, let's get him outta there feeling good about himself. Bollocks.

187 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:02 pm

171) well, to my eyes, the few games that I have seen, ARod is usualy pretty good at cutting the ball off coming in ( his weakness tends to be more in his lateral range). Also, it struck me immediately that Peña played the ball weirdly, so yeah, I think maybe Arod makes the play.

188 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:02 pm

It's only one start, but Nova seems to have good velocity and command of his fastball as well as a nice hard change. Now, his curve wasn't very good, so that's something he'd have to work on (or develop a slider), but I think Nova has the makings of a productive pitcher.

189 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:03 pm

Plus 71 pitches is simply inning 1 and 2 for AJ, Javy, and Phil.

190 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:03 pm

Sox reclaim the lead.
The Mariners suck. How did we lose to them again?

Oh, right, him.

191 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:04 pm

If I was Gaston, I would have used a position player to pitch this inning.

192 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:04 pm

[177] I've been looking at her all night. I don't think she's black. May be Puerto Rican or South American. She's with the dipshit with the crooked hat. He's no CC.

The only thing I can think of with pulling Nova is that his velocity has been higher all night than they probably expected, at least by a bit. With the melee and what I just referred to, I wonder if he felt like his 73 pitches was not a run of the mill 73 pitches - and that there had been a bunch of adrenaline dumping in the mix.

193 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:04 pm

[190] As much as I hate to say it, the Red Sox have had an amazing season.

194 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:05 pm

Cervelli should have the take sign on every pitch.

195 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:06 pm

[193] I hope they have comfortable sofas for October though; since the won't be playing.

What's everyone think of Nova? I saw him pitch a bit in the first and he's got some serious heat.

196 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:06 pm

Jeez.... Morrow.... 12 Ks in 6 IP. The guy looks for real. Where did he come from? With none on, he has an OPS against of .639... out of the stretch, .822. His ERA and WHIP are just OK, but if he learns to pitch with runners on, he could be a stud.

197 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:07 pm

Actually, maybe she is light-skinned. First really good look we've gotten.

198 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:07 pm

194) actually, except for the fact that Gardner has been slumping, in this circumstance ai would tell Cervelli to try to hit into a DP so Gardner could lead off next inning.

199 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:08 pm

[198] All the more reason to have Cervelli keep the bat on his shoulders and let Swish lead off the 8th.

200 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:08 pm

[198] Not nice!

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201 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:08 pm


202 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:08 pm

I hate our bench players.

203 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:09 pm

[202] They are all doing a great job. Joe says so everyday.

204 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:09 pm

Shouldn't Pena kinda take a look at the ball after it's hit?

205 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:09 pm

OK, I have to admit, the detailed analysis of whether some chick is "light skinned black" v. "puerto rican" v. "south american" is a little disturbing. i mean, at the very least, are these even comparable categories?

206 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:09 pm

Cervelli's futility is legend.

Although that play at the plate was the first time I can remember cheering for him in a long time.

207 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:10 pm

[196] once again the mariners front office deals away a player for a bag of beans (Johermyn Chavez and Brandon League) when the Yanks were offering Montero, Brackman, Cano, Joba and Phil. Apparently the Mariners also wanted Mo.

208 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:10 pm

So, I'm a little late to the party. Any particular reason we're fielding an NL lineup tonight?

209 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:11 pm

[208] it's NL night in Toronto.

210 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:11 pm

198) Peña and Cervelli executed that to perfection.

208) actually, an NL team only bats one pitcher.

211 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:11 pm

[204] It wasn't a particularly fast developing play. Did Pena just never stop running?

212 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:12 pm

The dreaded leadoff walk. Damn.

213 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:13 pm

This has "ends in tears" written all over it.

214 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:13 pm

[205] Yeah, they had me at "Hot chick!"...

215 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:13 pm

I wonder if knowing you are in there for one batter leads to more walks.

216 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:14 pm

[205] I'm not sure what the heck disturbs you. As New Yorkers, the light skinned black vs. puerto rican quandary is fairly common. And we're not nearly as sure what South American girls look like.

[191] and [193], so you want one of our players hit and you're praising the Red Sox? I don't get you.

To hell with everything Red Sox, until they're dead and buried, and then maybe they get something stingy from me.

217 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:14 pm

The old lead off walk trick. : (

218 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:16 pm

I am interested to see Joba in this spot...might be the first high leverage game for him in a while.

219 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:16 pm

[205] Jeez Mr. PC Police... I was just describing what she looked like.... not if should could run for President or not.

How's this: She was a coffee with cream colored female of unknown national origin?

220 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:16 pm

Little trickeration from the Swish.

221 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:16 pm

Ah, the "hot chick," she's ok... Guy has his cap backwards now

222 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:16 pm

don't y'all worry, here comes Joba to put out that fire with his big old can of gasoline!

223 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:17 pm

[208] Haven't you heard?

Wins now come with "Degree of Difficulty" modifiers!

If we play with the equivalent of 4 pitchers in the lineup, a win's worth 1.5x regular tonite!

224 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:17 pm

[216] I don't see what difference it makes if you're staring at her. She'll either love it or hate it. I suppose it's a matter of if you decide to talk to her, eh? That's where character becomes an asset or a liability (mostly concerning us >;)

225 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:17 pm

[221] Dude's with a pair of nice girls, actually...

Now where was THAT pitch?

226 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:18 pm

[223] Nice...who made out the lineup then, Greg Louganis?

227 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:18 pm

[219] I think we can safely say that she's hot. I was worried at first that she was younger than I realized and that I was going to embarrass myself.

228 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:19 pm

Question, did Lewis homer off Joba a week or so ago, or am I imagining?

229 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:21 pm

216) it's only a quandary if one bothers dealing with such racial categories ( if one considers "south american" or " puerto rican" a race, comparable to "black", especially given that many "south americans" would be cateforized as "black" according to traditional taxonomies), which is what disturbed me, to be honest.

230 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:21 pm

Joba seems to be trusting his fastball, especially on the inside half. Nice to see.

231 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:21 pm

See those girls in fhe front row? Now they've got some great ideas. (pepsi commercial) lol
TIme to shelve Joba. No way can he sustain for more than 10 pitches.

232 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:22 pm

[205] Besides, they're in Toronto, she could be Indian...

233 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:22 pm

[229] I was telling Bruce Chen the very same thing just the other day.

234 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:23 pm

It seems like the SkyDome always has a bevy of beauties behind the plate. I think they are plants.

235 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:23 pm

[224] So you're saying the whole creepy, staring, not saying anything trick doesn't work? I thought I was just doing it wrong.

236 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:23 pm

I forget, when did we get a good bullpen?

237 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:24 pm

Have we all given up on Joba? I personally would like to give him another shot at starting. As a starter, he has a career ERA of 4.18 (obviously in the AL East). This is not bad for a cost controlled #5, is it?

238 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:24 pm

Now the Blue Jay mascot is behind the plate...too many distractions!

239 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:24 pm

233) and we agreed on that point, as I recall. Hmmm, when you and I agree, things are really getting scary!

240 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:25 pm

Now there's a really hot chick behind home plate. But she's blue.

241 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:26 pm

[239] I agree on this point too (I identified her as wearing a retro Jays cap, but as it turns out, I was oogling the wrong one). The only time I like such categories is when it facilitates a fun sporting tournament.

242 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:26 pm

[234] Could be; the Jays have cheerleaders @ their games.

243 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:27 pm

[240] I bet you could cheer her up.

244 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:27 pm

237) I haven't,and I agree with you...I want to see him start. But realistically, I do not see how he fits into the Yankees plans as a starter in the future, especially now that he is out of options and can't be easily moved to AAA. Who knows, maybe they could try himinthe rotation next season with a limit of around 180 or 190 innings.

245 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:27 pm

What on earth was he looking for?

246 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:27 pm

Swing. The . ##@#@@#, Bat

247 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:27 pm

Gardner was really pressing his luck in that AB. I wonder why he has reverted to leaving the bat on his shoulders? Could he be worn down by his first full-time season?

248 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:28 pm

[234] Then again, there are a lot of attractive women in Toronto, I'm sure some of them find their way to Jays games.

249 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:28 pm

This is the inning to score. Otherwise, we may have to wait until the 10th inning...if there is one.

250 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:29 pm

[248] Which of course, begs the question as to why A-Rod found that big Amazon a few year back.

251 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:29 pm

The Yankees' specialty.

252 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:29 pm

[247] I did not miss Take Take Brett Gardner.

253 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:30 pm

247) he intimated a few weeks ago, when he was busy not running, that he was tired. I think him getting worn down is a distinct possibility.

254 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:30 pm

[229] I don't know how to put this politely, but I don't agree with your concern. I think you're failing to acknowledge the unique realities of New York, where we have different categories than most other places in the world because we've got all kinds and many people have a little bit of many things.

255 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:30 pm

[237] I haven't given up on him. He has pretty good peripherals despite the high ERA

256 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:30 pm

[241] Sorry, can't follow the game as am stuck with this on repeat


Good ol' Japanese tv, heavan for the oogling male viewer..

257 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:30 pm

[251] Amazingly, the Yankees actually rank 12th in double plays with only 85 entering tonight's game.

258 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:31 pm

[243] You're killing me. Maybe I'd take her for a nice flight around the park.

259 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:32 pm

[244] with Nova, Brackman, Betances, Manny Banuelos, and some other guys I heard about at waswatching, (Graham Stoneburner and Adam Warren), I wonder if we'll even care when Joba flames out.

260 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:32 pm

Every game against the Blue Jays has been tough, which is kind of worrisome considering there are 8 more games on the schedule. Also, with a few smart moves, the Jays could take a big step up, which would make the AL East ridiculous, especially if Buck pushes the Orioles toward respectability.

I really think this is an example of the Yankees tide raising all ships.

261 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:33 pm

254) you don't have to be polite, and guess what? i live ina big city too, with lots of people of varying skin shades. So no need to explain that to me. If you want to stare at people and scrutinize into which racial category or sub category they fall, more power to you.

262 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:33 pm

[228] Lost in all the semantic discussion concerning race and ethnicity, did you know that Fred Lewis shares the same (real) name with this guy?

263 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:34 pm

Of course.

264 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:34 pm

Goddam it, I knew it.

265 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:34 pm

Good location, Dave. You, too. Cervelli.
AS for you jose. Go fuck yourself.

266 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:34 pm

[250] Big Amazon types need love too

267 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:34 pm

I was just thinking, this is the key AB.

268 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:35 pm

And so the wheel turns in bullpen roulette.

269 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:35 pm

At some point, you have to learn from your mistakes, and in so many instances, the Yankees have not. It's disgraceful to make the same errors over and over again.

270 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:35 pm

Not sure why Bautista's staring down Robertson

271 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:35 pm

[244] The team needs a 6th starter. He should be a long man and spot starter. Why Mitre and Chad when we have Joba? Is his great stuff really gone, or just in hibernation?

Phil has a higher Starter ERA of 4.56 yet he is our great hope.
I think people are soured on Joba because our expectations were so high after his first 2 years?

And FUCK!!!!!!
Why can't we score more then 3 runs?????????

272 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:36 pm

What are the odds that Joe puts a real lineup out there tomorrow? I read on LoHud that he was threatening to do this all week.

273 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:36 pm

Next time up, I wouldn't mind flipping Bautista again.

274 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:37 pm

[273] Maybe he is trying to make it easier for him to leave and take the Cubs job?

275 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:37 pm

[265] Cervelli set up outside, Robertson threw it down the middle.

276 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:38 pm

[271] Because we need to get all the scrutty bench players in the same game for some unknown reason

277 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:39 pm

Robertson has missed location on just about every fastball. I wish managers would watch things like that and act accordingly.

278 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:39 pm

[274] Its the only thing I can figure.

279 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:39 pm

[261] I really have no idea what the heck your problem is, and that bastard just hit another home run. I've had conversations using these categories with white people, black people, and puerto rican people. I was a counselor at a summer camp where pretty much every kid was somewhere on the spectrum of either light skinned or puerto rican. I apologize if adding a continent puts you over the top. I can't see where you're coming from and I'm bowing out.

280 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:39 pm

271) oh please, let's not initiate another Hughes v. Joba as starter comparison debate.

Why can't we score more than three runs. Well, it's 2010, have you looked at the lineup tonight? ; )

281 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:39 pm

[270] Guess he didn't read about the side effects of taking Flintstones vitamins...

282 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:40 pm

[271] With Nunez, Pena and Cervelli in the same lineup, were you expecting a bunch of runs to be scored?

283 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:41 pm

[275] Oh, I know. Cervelli shoud have been sitting in the left hand batter's box. That way Dave's pitch winds up where he wants it. On the outside corner. Piece of cake and we're still tied. : )

284 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:41 pm

[282] And a slumping Gardner as well as Granderson. The Yankees went with a four man lineup and they got burned. It's amazing that it was even a close game.

285 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:41 pm

And apparently Joe has promised that Cervelli will start three games again this week.

I don't understand it.

286 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:42 pm

[261] You are mssing the point. So had a good face and nice tits. Who cares "which racial category or sub category" she falls in?

This is just sexist pig guy talk. Are you looking for racism under every rock?

287 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:42 pm

Three True Outcomes.

288 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:43 pm

Is this man with Michael Jordan supposed to be famous?

289 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:43 pm

The good news is Ivan Nova looked like he might be something. The bad news is Burnett and Vazquez are both not only taking their normal turns, but Joe has intelligently figured out a way so Cervelli can catch both of them!

290 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:44 pm

[288] No, that's what makes it so "funny, ha ha"...

291 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:44 pm

Hit one in the seats, Robbie.

292 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:44 pm

[290] I see.

293 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:45 pm

286) i know you're being sarcastic, but I didn't bring up either the (potentially) sexist stuff, or the racial categories. OK, I'm done with this.

294 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:45 pm

Cano's AB have improved by leaps and bounds...he really is a legitimate MVP candidate.

295 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:46 pm

Kevin Gregg. He's the closer.

296 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:46 pm

I wonder if anyone will ask Joe why Ramiro Pena ran for his life on a shallow pop up.

297 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:46 pm

[288] I think he's supposed to be annoying, at which he's doing a pretty good job.

298 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:46 pm

That'll do. Small ball these fools for about 5 more runs. After Jorge hits another gapper.

299 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:46 pm

Jorge just missed one!

300 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:47 pm



The roster needs to be Girardi-proofed. It's like old times.

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301 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:47 pm

He just missed another! Two pitches that he could have launched.

302 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:47 pm

[289] So that makes Joe an Intelligent Design manager? No wonder this is a close game, considering that Toronto obviously subscribes to the Big Bang theory.

303 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:48 pm

I would like to think, if needed, we see some PHs this inning.

304 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:48 pm

The thing missing from this team is the power. They just don't hit as many HRs.

305 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:49 pm

Eat shit, blue.

306 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:49 pm

Huh? At least eight inches outside.

307 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:49 pm

[300] At least Cairo was only taking playing time away from people like Andy Phillips

308 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:49 pm

MLB needs to seriously address its umpires.

309 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:50 pm

I know he's called a wide zone all night, but jesus christ that was a mile off the plate.

310 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:50 pm

This should be Kearns, not Jeter.

311 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:51 pm

What an absolutely frustrating game in so many ways.

312 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:51 pm

Another pathetic offensive performance...another poorly managed game...another loss. August mediocrity continues.

313 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:51 pm

This team has no shot with this manager.

314 Just Fair   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:51 pm

Umpires 1. Yankess 0.
Good thing Nova was impressive.

315 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:52 pm

310) yeah, probably, but you have to figure he'd go with Jeter for multiple reasons (he's the captain and an IF).

316 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:52 pm

Even if this team holds on to a playoff spot, I am not sure they're going to have much left. Another championship run is going to depend heavily on Sabathia, Tex and Cano.

317 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:53 pm

I thought they had a good chance to pull it out when Rob got on.

Oh well. No Peña mañana. We'll smoke 'em!

(Peña was 2 for 3 today, but that's irrelevant.)

318 Hank Waddles   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:53 pm

Damn John Sterling had me convinced Posada's out was a two-run homeruns. He went full throttle into "It is high! It is far!..." before telling me Bautista was settling in beneath it.

319 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:54 pm

[315] Of course...but in the interest of winning the game, Kearns was the correct choice. I don't expect Girardi to make too many right decisions, which ironically makes it a lot less frustrating.

320 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:54 pm

[317] I say we see the same lineup tomorrow with Jeter and no Cano.

321 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:54 pm

[318] Disgraceful...was an out off the bat.

322 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:54 pm

1. Playoffs are a crap shoot.
2. It's easy to imagine Swisher, Granderson, and A-Rod carrying the team. (Less easy to imagine Burnett and Vazquez pitching brilliantly.)

323 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:54 pm

317) yep, Peña had a pretty good night at the plate, actually. On the bases not so much. Oh well.

324 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:54 pm

Just a ludicrously umpired game all night. Maybe they should hire someone who can see over the catcher.

And yes, annoying in so many ways, just like someone else said.

I hate Bautista, I hate the Jays, I hate astroturf, and we need to figure out a way to beat this team.

325 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:56 pm

[322] I don't subscribe to that theory. Playoffs are not a crap shoot. Better teams have a better chance to win.

Will Arod be healthy? If so, I can see it. As for Granderson, he has had so many bad ABs, that I don't see him being productive against better pitchers.

326 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:56 pm

[318] He does that a lot and you still never get used to it >:'

327 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:57 pm

How bad do the umps have to be before Bud addresses the issue?

328 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:58 pm

Hughes pitched on Thursday. He should be pitching tomorrow. Instead, we are getting Moseley. Nova should be pitching on Sunday. Instead, we are getting Vazquez. No team in contention should ever give away three outs in the same lineup. Honestly, is winning the motive behind these decisions?

329 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 9:59 pm

[325] Oh, better teams have a better chance to win. Only, not much better. Just a little better.

330 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:00 pm

[328] It doesn't matter when Hughes pitches, because he's only got a fixed number of innings left. He'll pitch all of those innings. It's irrelevant whether he pitches them now or some time in September.

331 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:01 pm

[328] I really think Joe has a lot of Tony LaRussa in him. He makes MOVEZ for the sake of being hailed as a genius if they work. If they don't, there's always tomorrow. Unfortunately, he's doing these experiments in the middle of a hot pennant race.

332 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:01 pm

Can we all agree: The darker the berry the sweeter the juice?

333 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:04 pm

[330] It does matter because the Jays are a good, righty laden team and using Hughes now allows you to skip Moseley while Andy is still out.

334 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:06 pm

328) is this confirmed? I still think that Javy will end up on the DL or skipped one time, especially given how well Nova pitched. We'll know for sure on Thursday.

335 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:08 pm

329) plus, given the way the playoffs a re set up, a better team may end up with worse chance to win (but not by much) depending on their specific roster construction. Five good starter will win a lot of games over a 162 game schedule, but two really good pitchers is a major advantage for short series with lots of off days.

336 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:11 pm

[334] Girardi has stated that everyone is being pushed back and C.C. will go Saturday to split AJ and Javy (so Cervelli can catch both!!!)

If Girardi didn't have a track record of making poor decisions, I'd hold out hope, but there is no reason to think he'll figure it out before a couple of extra losses are tacked onto the Yankees record.

337 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:13 pm

[336] That's probably what I love most. We're making all these moves so we can get Cervelli even more playing time.

338 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:13 pm

[333] They're neither better nor more righty-laden than the Sox or Rays. Skipping Moseley "while Andy is out" doesn't help in any way, either. Andy is going to get the same number of innings no matter what, and so is Hughes.

[335] That's true, I guess. It's the traditional wisdom. But I'd like to see it checked for historical accuracy.

339 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:15 pm

[338] How does it not matter? If they skip Moseley now, that's one fewer start he has to make in Pettitte's absence. Then, when Pettitte returns, it becomes easier to skip Hughes. The way Girardi is doing is ensuring Moseley and Vazquez pitch when it isn’t necessary.

340 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:16 pm

336) I know what he has stated in the past, but that was before seeing how Nova and, tomorrow, Moseley do. Nova's relative success may convince the organization to DL Javy. if Moseley really gets bombed, he may get skipped nect time. It mase sense for Girardi not to commit to Nova beyond tonight until seeing him pitch.

We'll see what happens going from here.

That said, I'm not particularly hopeful, especially if it involves the team's typical misuse of the DL.

341 The Hawk   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:17 pm

Bautista's stare down of Robertson, after his antics with Nova, made me go from neutral to hate. What a douche.

342 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:17 pm

338) Yeah, i was going on received wisdom and memories of 2001.

343 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:19 pm

[340] Then why is Moseley pitching tomorrow?

344 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:19 pm

[339] As I said, Pettitte gets the same number of innings either way. Hughes gets the same number of innings either way. CC and Burnett get the same number of innings either way. The rest of the innings this year must be pitched by Vazquez and Moseley and Nova (etc.).

345 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:20 pm

Also, having Vazquez pitch against Ozzie Guillen's team isn't going to turn out well. As if Javy needed another reason to shrink, I am sure Guillen's presence will have a less than positive effect.

346 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:20 pm

[304] Third overall in baseball for HRs? With Arod apparently at 50% and Toronto outier HR numbers. I would say this team can hit HRs better than 95% of MLB teams.

[312} Could it be a well pitched tight game that was lost by one swing of the bat, and possibly a running mistake by Pena? What about the bad calls? This score should have been 2-2 in the ninth. Pathetic is the wrong word here.

And obviously Girardi can't manage a team to win a championship. Oh wait a minute...

Lastly, Po was an eighth of an inch under the ball in that last at bat for that to go out for the lead.

Why don't you post these criticisms on your blog? Never seen the word pathetic or disgraceful there, why do you have to trash this blog with that totally frustrating verbiage but not yours?

Why do you stay quiet when the Yankees win?

347 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:21 pm

339) If they skip Moseley now, that’s one fewer start he has to make in Pettitte’s absence.

That's probable but not certain, depending on when precisely Pettitte returns.

348 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:22 pm

[344] Pettitte's innings are irrelevant...I am concerned about Moseley's innings, or more specifically, preventing him from throwing too many. By not skipping him now, Girardi is giving him a start that he is not destined to have. I am not sure what your point is?

349 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:22 pm

In 1931, two pitchers was damn near enough to win a World Series. Bill Hallahan and Burleigh Grimes pretty much did everything for the Cardinals to beat the seemingly unbeatable A's.

And when Grimes couldn't finish Game 7, they brought the younger Hallahan back in and he finished that game, too.

I don't know if that's historical accuracy for you, but it is historical.

350 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:23 pm

343) Perhaps at thia point there was no way to reshuffle the rotation, after Nova's start,to get a different pitcher in tomorrow. But there is still timewith the offday thursday, to put Javy on the DL and rejigger the rotation.

Basically, I am saying that it is possible the team id being cagey about Javy, waiting to see what they have with Nova.

351 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:24 pm

[347] One thing we know for sure is by starting him tomorrow, Moseley is guaranteed a start he doesn't have to make. I don't see any benefit in allowing that.

352 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:25 pm

[346] The ridiculously poor call at first base when Tex clearly kept his foot on the bag had a huge impact on the game.

Can anyone explain how Bautista morphed into Barry Bonds? When they come to the Stadium, I'd love to see someone stick a fastball in his heart.

353 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:26 pm

[350] Regardless of how Nova pitched today, it was possible to have Hughes go Tuesday, Burnett on Wednesday, Sabathia on Friday and Nova/Javy on Saturday. Then, Sunday would be open for Nova again or Hughes.

Nova's performance really had no bearing on the decision to start Moseley, so there shouldn't have been a need to reshuffle the rotation.

354 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:26 pm

[348] Uh.

You think maybe Moseley will get more innings this way, but no other pitcher will get fewer? I think that is unlikely in the extreme.
If Moseley gets more innings and Vazquez gets fewer, I don't think that's a problem. If Moseley gets more and Nova gets fewer, I don't think that's a problem. If Moseley gets more innings and Hughes gets fewer, that's a problem. Also if Pettitte gets fewer. That's why it's relevant that neither Pettitte nor Hughes will get fewer innings just because the rotation is stretched out to six instead of skipping someone.

355 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:28 pm

352) maybe he morphed into barry bonds the same way barry bonds morphed into barry bonds. You know, hard work, proper diet, dedication and positive thiing.

356 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:30 pm

[354] Of course someone is getting fewer innings. Considering that Javy and Moseley are the worst options (I'm giving AJ the benefit of the doubt), limiting their innings is a good thing. The Yankees have a chance to do that this week, but are passing up on both. That doesn't make any sense.

357 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:31 pm

[356] Oh, okay.
So, which pitcher is getting fewer innings?

358 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:32 pm

353) surely the starters in this day and age have specific routines for the day before they pitch v. Two days before they pitch. Plus, I imagine one of the goals for pushing back the rotation was to try to save start for Hughes down the line.

359 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:34 pm

[358] Right.

360 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:35 pm

[357] This week alone? It's Hughes and Nova, both of whom I'd prefer to over Moseley and Vazquez. Longer-term, it could be one fewer start for Peittitte, Sabathia or Burnett, the latter two who are being pushed back a day. It's hard to say now because you have to see how the season plays out, but by starting Moseley and Vazquez now, you are ensuring they pitch two games when both can be avoided.

The Yankees should be focused on winning as many games as possible now. By doing so, they be able to do things liek skip Hughes and give Andy more time. If they keep dropping games, however, there is going to be more pressure to overuse both.

361 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:35 pm

[338] IIRC it isn't often that the team with the best record wins the World Series.

362 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:36 pm

[355] It's not like as Yankees fans we have the high moral ground on this issue - although my take is that there is no moral ground on this issue, as everyone is down in the same sandbox.

So with that said, yes, particularly with his antics tonight - I do not think Nova was trying to hit him - I'm wondering if he's recovering a little faster from his workouts than he used to.

363 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:37 pm

[358] I agree, but that was my point. Everyone is being pushed back because of Moseley, who was supposed to start today. By simply removing him from the rotation, everyone stays on schedule. No reshuffling would be needed.

As for saving a start for Hughes, it doesn't. He would still have the same number of starts, assuming he isn't skipped in the future, regardless of whether he starts Tuesday or Wednesday.

364 Raf   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:41 pm

[362] He took a hanging slider and a fastball down the middle and hit it out the park. He did what batters are supposed to do with poor pitches.

365 RIYank   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:41 pm

[360] Oh, I thought you said Pettitte's innings are irrelevant. If Pettitte does get fewer innings because of this move, then that would be a cost.
But, do you actually think Pettitte will get fewer innings? I think that's just mistaken. Also, I think it's just outright wrong to say it's more important to be able to skip Hughes later. That doesn't make any difference at all.

I think it is a very serious mistake for the Yankees to be focuses on winning as many games as possible now. They should be focused on the long run. Teams that get too focused on Winning Now very often end up harming themselves long term. I hope the Yankees avoid that error.

366 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:48 pm

[365] I think I already said that we can't really know who wont pitch the innings vacated by Moseley or Vazquez, but assuming you believe those are the two weakest options right now, that shouldn't matter. Anyone losing innings to them would make little sense.

I couldn't disagree more strongly with the notion that winning every game possible is detrimental. As long as you don't force injured players into a game, it is a mistake to handicap your team with a bigger picture in mind. When you do that, that bigger picture has a way of becoming overexposed.

367 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:50 pm

365) on the other hand, winning now ( in the context of the season) does have some advantages. For example, if they can more or less secure a post season berth early playing to win every game now, then they can rest all of the starters with the security of still having a postseason to play for. Bbut if they throw away games now (if that is in fact what they are doing) for the purpose of saving players for later, the postseason may not materialize, or the team may feel compelled to continue to play more "all out" later in the seson because they have not yet secured a spot in the playoffs.

But more generally I agree with you...a win now is no more important or valuable than a win later.

368 monkeypants   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:53 pm

362) It’s not like as Yankees fans we have the high moral ground on this issue

Why, i simply don't know what issue you are referring to. But if you are making reference to some sort of nefarious behaviour, trust me, my indignation would be equal opportunity.

369 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 23, 2010 10:55 pm

[367] As you mentioned, a win now could be more important than a win later if the Yankees have clinched with 10 games to go. If, for example, the Yankees needed to use Sabathia for the last game of the season to secure a playoff spot, it would have a cost. I would much rather overload his innings (and Hughes' and Burnett's and Pettitte's when he comes back) now, and hope that I can use Vazqez and Moselely in meaningless games in late September. In fact, that's what supposedly allowed CC, Andy and AJ to carry the burden last year. If Girardi needs to go to the whip this time around, they may not hold up as well.

370 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 23, 2010 11:11 pm

[364] 40 times.

What's his previous high again? How old is he?

What's the statistical probability of this sort of jump at that age?

Ok, just looked - he's almost thirty, and my recollection from the telecast was correct, his previous high was 16.

I'm sure it's possible, but I'm just about as sure it ain't probable.

371 Raf   ~  Aug 24, 2010 12:16 am

[370] He's a dead pull hitter, that can torch a fastball. He's on a pretty good run that started back in Sept 2009.

Like Jeter's grounder rate has taken a spike, Bautista's fly ball rate has taken a spike. Some of those fly balls are leaving the park.

At any rate, Bautista isn't the first to have a HR spike (Wade Boggs and Davey Johnson comes to mind), and chances are he probably won't be the last.

372 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 12:19 am

Actually, our most important Wins will be against TB, and our 2nd most important Wins will be against Boston. While we need to win as many as possible, TB loses and Boston loses also play an important role in our PS chances.

Of our last 19 games, 7 are against TB and 6 against the Sox.
Those 19 games, and more specifically, those 13 games, will determine who plays in the PS.

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