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Bounce Back

Git it in gear, fellas. That sombitch Bautista hit a game-winning dinger and spit in yer grill last night. You gunna just take that?

We’ll be root-root-rootin’ you on…

Let’s Go Yan-Kees!

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1 rbj   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:09 pm

Ah, first pitch swinging.

2 rbj   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:12 pm

Yes, a run.

I guess Diane is going to have fun with the Blue Jays pitcher's name.

3 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:14 pm

Has anyone else ever thought it's odd that a batter gets a ground rule double no matter where the ball bounces over the fence? Did the rule always mandate a double, or was there a time when it was left to the judgement of the umpires what base to award the batter? And yes, i know, in the way back a bal that hopped over the fence between the foul poles was a HR.

4 rbj   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:16 pm

[3] I do think there may be some discretion -- at least with possibly giving a runner an extra base if the ump thinks the guy would've scored from first on a ground rule double, but it's always going to cause an argument so I think umps just don't want that headache anymore.

5 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:18 pm

The only pitch to Bautista tonight that's not on the outer half tonight better be in his ass. K's work, too.

6 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:19 pm

[3] Hm, I watched throwback baseball for one summer (and then one game the next summer). I'm trying to remember if it ever came up. I don't think so. Our home team plays 1888 rules.

7 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:20 pm

You guys saw that people are raising questions about Bautista and roids, right?

8 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:23 pm

[7] People are always raising questtions. Wow. That one took off.

9 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:23 pm

[3] [4] I believe - don't quote me on this, I'm at the office and away from my historical baseball books - the problem originally was not the ball bouncing over the wall, but rather, the ball going into the crowd on the field (this was in the days before there was an actual wall to delimit the outfield). I think the batter was originally allowed to go as many bases as he could, and you can see how that would be trouble (the crowd would play keep away to help their batters), so they said, if it goes into the crowd, its a double. Of course eventually they built walls around the outfield and the fans couldn't be on the field during play, but the rule stuck for when a ball bounced into the stands.

I feel pretty certain this was in Peter Morris's excellent two volume "A Game of Inches", but without the book to refer to, I can't be absolutely certain.

10 rbj   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:23 pm

[7] Yup, saw it on Pinto's site. But until he fails a drug test, I'm going to withhold judgment.

Nice fielding, Bautista.

11 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:23 pm

I just realized that Scrabble got through that first inning having thrown eight pitches.

12 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:24 pm

3) i don't mean the runner, I mean the batter. If the batter hits a ball that one hops the CF fence 410 feet away, or if he cues a blooper over first base that skips into the crowd, he's awarded second base no matter wnat. I don't have a problem with a simple, elegant rule. It just strikes me as odd and I'm curious about the history of the ground rule double.

13 randym77   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:25 pm

Oh, brother.

14 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:25 pm

[7] [8] That's just stupid, on so many levels.

15 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:26 pm

Another thing I've never seen. Thames may not be all there mind wise.

16 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:26 pm

That was a ridiculous play at home. Ina way, i am glad Thames made out since he basically tried to bowl over the catcher who had the ball well in advance of the runner arriving.

17 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:27 pm

9) interesting.

18 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:27 pm

Hook the left foot on the back corner and Thames is safe. grrrrrrrrrrrrr

19 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:27 pm

Yeah, it's too bad we don't have special members of the coaching staff assigned to stand near the runners on first and third and give them sage advice about when they should run.

20 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:29 pm

[17] Or it might have been in a book that mentioned the Huntington Avenue grounds (original home of the Red Sox), which had insane dimensions, and no outfield walls. IIRC, straight away CF was 550' from home plate, or something ridiculous like that.

There's another reason that home runs weren't hit so often in the dead ball era. ;)

21 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:29 pm

Huh, according to Wikipedia (which I know is not a clause that inspires enormous confidence), before 1930 a ball that bounced fair into the stands was a home run. Could that be right? I wonder if any of Babe's 60 were bouncers.

22 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:30 pm

[19] You mean like Meacham? ; )

23 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:31 pm

7, 8, 14) stupid or not, this is going to be one of the legacies of the steroids era. I predicted beforeand it's not that surprising a prediction, that now every player who has a breakout year is going to fall under immediate suspicion.

24 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:32 pm

[21] I think I've heard something like that before . . . and I think the stands meant the outfield wall (or whatever was there) between the foul poles.

Meanwhile, I was going to complain about Granderson starting vs a LHP, but he walked, so I have no compliant. I would like to see Jeter get on base here . . .

25 rbj   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:32 pm

It's rule 6.09 (e),(f),(g) & (h). (h) gives the batter a HR if the fielder deflects it into the stands, but if it's less than 250 away from home plate, the batter only gets a double.

e-g give an award of 2 bases only, so that must have been a rule change.

26 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:32 pm

[22] Worth his weight in gold!

Shaun, Huntington Avenue Grounds. Cool pix.

27 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:32 pm

[21] There's got to be a definiitve answer to that somewhere. Where's Hank, the resident Cooperstownian? : )

28 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:32 pm

[19] I mean Dude... what a crazy idea.

29 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:33 pm

21) indeed, see 3):

And yes, i know, in the way back a ball that hopped over the fence between the foul poles was a HR.

30 rbj   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:34 pm

[21] I think that was one season. It's in the Bill James Historical Abstract. I'd look it up but I'm off to a dojo meeting.

31 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:36 pm

21) i read somewhere that in fact none of the Babe's 60 were bouncers, but I do not know how that was determined. At the same time, in that era a ball that landed foul beyond the fence (that is, passed where the foul pole would be in fair territory but then hooked 'foul' after passing over the fence) were considered foul, not fair. Some Babe apologists argue that he lost a lot of HRs because of that rule, though againI am not sure how this can ever be determined with any acxuracy.

32 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:37 pm

[29] Right, I saw, but I figured by "way back" you meant further back than 1930. That's why I then mentioned the 1888 throwback league. Lots of rules were different before 1900, but very few have changed since 1930.

33 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:38 pm

[26] I came across this a few weeks ago while bored. I enjoyed it.

34 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:39 pm

Meanwhile, Moseley looks like he might have recaptured some of the lightning in a bottle.

35 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:41 pm

[26] Nice pic D. Some of the 'fields' back in the day had pretty nutzo dimensions. (I guess they were Polo fields or another rectangular sports field). One old time field was something like 250' down the LF line, and over 500' to CF.

36 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:41 pm

With today's technology I'm amazed all catchers don't use more than one sign at all times.

37 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:43 pm

[34] Lightning, unlike a genie or toothpaste, can be put back into a bottle.

[33] Very cool.

38 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:44 pm

35) the Polo Grounds was almost 500' to CF and around 250' down one line. Likewise, Yankee Stadium in its first season was something like 490' to CF and in the 250s' down the lines.

39 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:45 pm

[31] Okay, yeah, I see that there's a book titled The Year Babe Ruth Hit 104 Home Runs, with the "extras" mainly coming from the ones that hooked foul beyond the pole.

40 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:47 pm

Did that guy wake up and think, "I'm going to wear my Dolphins jersey to the Yanks-Blue Jays game?" wtf!

Huge Bomb!

41 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:47 pm



42 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:48 pm

That's what you can get if you try to pull a ball on the outside corner.

43 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:48 pm

35) one of my favorite sites for looking at the dimensions of old, and current, stadiums is Andrew Clem's website. Most here probably will not care for the right leaning politics of the page, but the stadium info in the baseball section is fairly well researched. A nice site.


44 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:51 pm


45 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:51 pm

Fucking Awesome. Atta boy, Thames!

46 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:52 pm

I like tonight's lineup a lot better than last night's. I also prefer the opposing pitcher and home plate ump to those in yesterday's game.

47 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:52 pm

[26] Thanks! I'm pretty sure I've walked across where the Huntington Ave Grounds were, or awful close to them, at least a few times in my life in Boston.

[32] The fam and I were in Mystic a couple of weekends ago, and at the Seaport, they had a demonstration of baseball as played by the 1860s rules, using 1860s style equipment. Visitors could take a turn at bat if they liked, and I did. You had to hit the ball into the ground - no upper cut swinging allowed - which was not easy. I broke out the old Julio Franco stance and chopped the bat down, and managed a nice hit out of it.

One of the folks who worked there had bandages said they had a league that played by 1860s rules and equipment, and that it was murder on the fielders, because they can't use mitts. "You wouldn't believe the number of broken fingers people get," he said, holding up his hands to show us bandages on 4 of his 10 fingers.

On the one hand, that's a little crazy. On the other hand, that's my kind of crazy! It made me wish I lived closer to Mystic.

48 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:53 pm

Jo Po Long Ball Sho!!!

49 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:54 pm

I'm starting to worry that all of these rally killers are going to come back and bite the Yankees later.

50 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:55 pm

47) were upper cut swings againat the rules in the 1800s, or was this a fairness or safety rule added by the demonstrators? If upper cut swings were illegal, I wonder how that was enforced. Hmm..

51 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:56 pm

They laid waste to that poor kid. Good times.

52 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:56 pm

[46] The Yanks have come a long, long way from the team that lefties used to give fits to.

53 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 24, 2010 7:58 pm

[38] I kinda recall hearing that when the Dodgers played their first years in LA at the Coliseum, the dimensions were like 225 down the left field line (with a tall fence) and like 500+ to center field.

[33] Great old shots of Yankee stadium.

And how bout that murderers row of Teixeira, Thames, Posada? Can we have a laugher and duel losses for the Gays and BSox? Please.

And isn't the Jays pitcher's name the same as a Superman nemesis?

54 Shaun P.   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:01 pm

[49] Oh no, it was the rule. The ball had to hit into the ground, or otherwise touch the ground, before the fielder could get it. Otherwise you were called out, I believe.

Of course, there was also no such thing as a walk, and no strikeouts looking either. You struck out only if you swung 3 times and missed. And the pitcher was warned if the ball wasn't pitched somewhere "hittable"; if it was way up high, or in the dirt too much, the ump could award the batter first base.

Very different but very cool.

55 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:02 pm

54) cool.

56 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:03 pm

[54] Jeter STILL plays by those rules...

57 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:03 pm

Ooooh, the new Jays pitcher is hairy. You know, sometimes I really appreciate the Yankees facial hair rules.

58 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:03 pm

I hope Mosely achieves 71 shut out pitches and more. If Joe lets him.

59 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:04 pm

56) hahahahahahahaha

Well played!

60 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:05 pm

[56] lol : )

61 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:06 pm

Hey gang.

I'm going to the Steinbrenner monument game in a few weeks. I'm very happy.

62 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:07 pm

He might not be Aaron Small yet but Alonzo Moseley is pretty cool. Love the lumber show! Even the outs have been loud.

Also, LOVE it that Damon is staying put if that is in fact his final decision.

63 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:08 pm

Have a day,Teix!

64 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:09 pm

I'm diggin some Dustin Moseley! (Sounds like a 60's counter-culture film.

65 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:12 pm

I didn't know Dustin Moseley (notice spelling) was only 28... now in his 5th year. He has a career 85 ERA+ which ain't too good, but he has had 2 years of 103 and 107. Maybe Dave E. has helped him a bit? Considering the scrum we have had to throw out there in the past, DM isn't as bad as some.

66 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:13 pm

[57] Did you see that picture of Boone Logan when he played for the White Sox? He looked strait outta Lancaster. Much better now.

67 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:15 pm

65) looking at his career ERA+, one suspects that he has been...unlucky?

68 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:15 pm


69 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:15 pm

I hate this turf. Normally Cano gets that for a DP

70 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:16 pm

Why can't they grow grass in Rogers Dome? The roof opens, they certainly have lawns in Toronto. Wouldn't that make the baseball experience better there?

71 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:17 pm

Oh boy.

72 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:17 pm

Yep, this is looking more and more unlucky.

Come on, LIAB, get it together here.

73 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:18 pm

[47] Shaun, where do you live? There are 1800's leagues all over New England. Connecticut has several teams, playing by different rules.

74 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:18 pm

double play, please...

75 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:19 pm

we'll take that.

76 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:19 pm

70) I'm sure it's a cost cutting move, plus the Argonauts play their home games there (and, if I recall, some other sports are played there as well)...that would be a pretty chewed up field.

77 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:20 pm

I'll send an SOS to the world
I hope that someone gets my
Lightning in a bottle...
Lightning in a bottle...

78 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:20 pm

You da' Mose!

79 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:21 pm

Nice pitching Dustin

80 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:23 pm

So I'm up to 1999 in the Official World Series Film Collection.

I have zero recollection of most of this series for whatever reason. I don't recall El Duque pitching against Greg Maddux, and if you gave me 100 guesses I never would have come up with that for the game one matchup;. Games three and four are a bit better, but I still don't remember them as vividly as 96, 98 and 00.

81 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:24 pm

Thames is a real easy guy to root for.

82 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:28 pm

[81] He is. As long as he isn't in the field.

83 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:29 pm

That's my boy. Good on 'ya, Curtis!

84 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:29 pm



85 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:29 pm

When Granderson makes contact, he can hit it a ton.

86 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:29 pm


87 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:32 pm

Me Like-um GrandyCanes

88 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:32 pm

[85] Bat speed.

89 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:32 pm


90 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:32 pm

No way.

91 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:32 pm

The Captain rides again.
And a bif fu to oyf! : )

92 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:33 pm

Even the Cap'n isn't dead ... at least tonite!

93 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:33 pm

There goes Jeter stat padding again.
Last night William complained we didn't have enough HR power on this team.

94 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:33 pm

Jeter hit that one in the air. Or, as he might say:

"Fuck you, old yanks fan (56)!"

; )

95 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:33 pm

By the way...
JD does NOT go to Boston.
Frankly, I'm amazed.

96 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:34 pm

For the zillionth time, if they let the pitcher catch pop ups that would rarely happen. Oy!

97 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:34 pm

[94] He will hit juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust enough that the Yankees re-sign him.

98 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:34 pm

[95] I'm not.

99 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:35 pm

That was Derek Jeter's first over the fence homer since June 12. Hopefully he hits another four or five this year.

100 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:36 pm
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101 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:37 pm
102 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:39 pm

With a nice big lead, they should let LIAB go as deep as possible. Has he gone over 85 pitches yet this season? He should be able to stretch to 100, I would think.

103 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:39 pm

Que es 'LIAB'?

104 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:41 pm

[101] I can't wait to hear what Peter Gammons has to say. The local pundits around here are quite disappointed, and they think this is a PR disaster for the team.

105 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:41 pm

[100] "Bring out your dead" and now that one. lol again.

106 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:41 pm

How many of the Yankees five homeruns cleared the wall and how many bounced into the stands?

107 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:41 pm

[103] Lightning in a Bottle.

108 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:44 pm

So by my accounts, rsn booed Damon mercilessly when he returned with the Yanks, but they celebrated his return with Detroit. Ha. Back to square one. Or is it two?

109 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:45 pm

Sorry I'm late; had a dizzy spell after listening to Papa Sterling saying "It is high, it is far, it is GONE!" over and over again... >;)

110 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:46 pm

99) jeter continues to be groundballlicious, but to my naked eyes (and my wishful thinking) he seems to be striking the ball a little better lately. Or so I hope.

111 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:46 pm

In his last 5 starts, DM has 83, 84, 85, 87 and 90 pitches. 7.1 IP is his high.

112 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:46 pm

[109] Uh oh. Did jjmerlock give you a sugar cube? You know better, Will.

113 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:47 pm

[110] By lately, you mean since Aug. 23rd?

114 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:47 pm

Continue your day, Teix. Nice.

115 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:48 pm

[108] It would be awesome if they put in a claim for Manny (do the White Sox have a better record right now?)

116 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:49 pm

"Manager Joe Girardi announced Nova will replace the struggling Javier Vazquez for Sunday's start against the White Sox in Chicago, and perhaps longer than that."

117 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:50 pm

113) no, i mean the last couple of weeks. He has had some sharp grounders and some line drives go for outs, at least in my selective memory.

118 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:50 pm

Big Thames was begging for the ump to call ball 4 a strike.

119 Alex Belth   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:50 pm

Man, I love the Score Truck...

120 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:50 pm

[112] That purple neon swirl just kept going 'round and around...

121 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:51 pm

[115] No, besides the Yanks and Rays, only the Twins have a better record than Boston.

There's no way in hell. No way. But it sure would be fun! And they'd get the buzz that the FO wants. But, no way.

122 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:51 pm

116) so, my prediction from last night comes true, it seems.

123 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:52 pm

[115] Rumor has him involved with the White Sox. That's all I know. And by rumor, I mean some reporter asking Girardi if he'd be surprised to see him Chi Town later this week. per the pre-game report.

124 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:53 pm

[122] It was announced before the game. That was my initial prediction on Saturday, but I fell for Girardi's insistence that everyone was staying in the rotation.

125 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:54 pm

[122] Please remember to use the ⟨/smug⟩ tag at the end of those, monkeypants.

126 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:55 pm

125) why should I use a closed smug tag...wouldn't mean my smugness stopped at the end of the post?

; )

127 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:56 pm

[125] Some things are best left open-ended...

128 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 8:57 pm

Stay efficient, Dustin, and finish the next two innings.

129 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:01 pm

Who thinks Gritner plays today?
I know, he's supposedly worn down a little. But today is his birthday.

130 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:04 pm

[129] A day off would be a very nice present for the Gardner State.

131 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:04 pm

[129] Nah, but Alex is taking him out tonight.

132 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:04 pm

Now the Jays announcers are taking umbrage at accusations that Bautista has improved so much this year because of, shall we say, things in addition to hard work. To be fair to them, there is not a lot else compelling for them to talk about. Still, it amused me when Pat Tabler and Buck Martinez expressed surprise that rumors and accusation would arise "just because his numbers have jumped up out of nowhere" (exact quote), and such accusations are "random" (even though by within their own narrative the accusations are not random but rather were made specifically in response to his numbers jumping up out of nowhere). Needless to say, this is giving me a chuckle.

133 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:06 pm

Cripes. I would not be opposed to a rule limiting catcher-pitcher conferences.

134 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:06 pm

[131] Sleepover?

135 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:06 pm

Oh, that's not good. Suck it up, Dustman.

136 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:07 pm

128) or not. Ok, how about just get this last out and make it to the end of this inning.

137 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:07 pm

Best possible outcome. Nice.

138 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:07 pm


139 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:08 pm

Hm, that's just a shame.

140 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:08 pm

Why would you send the runner down ten or whatever? Nice...and real...tag by Posada!

141 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:08 pm

NICE THROW!!!!!!!!!
And Po accidentally tags him with his hand with the ball!

142 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:08 pm

[134] Is that a Toronto Strip Club?

143 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:09 pm

DM at 97 pitches. I'm guessing he's done.

144 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:10 pm

[140] See, I told you there was a need to have members of the coaching staff hanging out near third base.

145 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:10 pm

Even when Posada does something good on defense it's by accident. ugh.

146 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:10 pm

Now, I would pull Jeter and Posada at this point in the game, unless girardi is trying to get Jeter one more AB.

147 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:11 pm

[131] Gentlemen prefer blondes...

148 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:13 pm

Derek's been hitting the ball a little harder

149 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:14 pm

[146] Or, rather than throw out the D squad tomorrow, take out Teixeira or Cano for the rest of the game.

150 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:14 pm

"He plays the game the right way"
"Day in and day out"

151 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:14 pm

Oh no..........

152 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:15 pm

Rub some dirt on it, Swish! Ouch.

153 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:15 pm

Nice stroke by Jeter, a HR in NYS...not here.

Uh-oh, please get up, Swish.

154 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:15 pm


155 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:16 pm

Nick is a tough fucker!

156 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:17 pm

149) or that too.

Now imagine the possibilities if they carried only 12 or, gasp, 11 pitchers!?!?

157 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:18 pm

Happy Birthday!

158 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:18 pm

That's an A for effort, Nick. Take it easy now...

159 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:19 pm

I used to think 27 was old. My, oh my.

160 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:19 pm

Well, that has to be the quickest brett has ever struck out looking.

161 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:19 pm

Brett Gardner strikes out...but yet he didn't really strike out. That one goes on Swish, right? Baseball is confusing and Gardner is very fast.

162 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:20 pm

[161] Brett does everything faster than everyone else.

163 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:20 pm

[159] Yeah, I remember being terribly upset at life... (boy, if I only knew then... >;)

164 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:21 pm

Anybody see the cast in this?
Spoiler: Jessica Alba in black leather underwear!

165 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:21 pm

Oh, and you're right, I guess it was a quantum strikeout. Only in quantum logic can one man both strike out and not strike out.

166 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:22 pm

Now, assuming Swisher doesn't play tomorrow, what are the odds that we throw out the rest of the A lineup?

167 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:24 pm

Gaudin is the gift that keeps on giving. Remember, to keep him on the roster is the reason why Berkman is on the DL now.

168 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:24 pm

The 2nd thing tonight I've never seen. Yikes. Now Jorge's a danger to the umps.

169 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:25 pm

[167] We bear witness to his Gaudliness {:'

170 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:26 pm

[167] Is it really?

171 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:29 pm

Good lord. You'd think occasionally a ball would end up in the strike zone, just be chance.

172 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:29 pm

Dear Chad,
Throw fucking strikes.

173 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:29 pm

This is tedious

174 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:30 pm

He really wants the save, doesn't he?

175 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:31 pm

Is it really vitally important that this man be on the team?

176 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:31 pm

Let's hope he throws fifty pitches.

177 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:32 pm

[176] I refuse to believe that we're under 25.

Thank God for Aaron Hill.

178 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:33 pm

A dud aching
A candid "ugh"
Adducing "ha!"

179 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:33 pm

166) Cecil is a LHP, right? One would like to think that means Thames at DH and Kearns in the OF. Also, if Swish is day to day, as they say, the team will decide to DL Javy or cut Gaudin and bring up another position player (probably an OF).

170) I'm playing a little fast and loose, but yeah, when you think about it. When Berkman and Arod were both day to day, the Yankees continued to carry 12 pitchers instead of cutting one of them (probably Gaudin) and calling up another position player for a few days. Instead, when they did cal up another IF (Nuñez), they put Berkman on the Dl even though he was almost ready to play...this was on the off chance that Arod could play. But then Arod ended up on the DL, and instead of calling up a position player' the Yankees go with 13 pitchers.

And so here we are, with Gaudin still on the roster, and both Arod and Berkman (who is ready to play) on the DL.

180 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:34 pm

[175] He might be a great wingman...

181 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:36 pm

[178] I vote for the second one...

182 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:36 pm

[179] I don't mind that as much. But he threatened to rest both Cano and Teixeira before the series started, and I half expect him to keep to that.

183 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:36 pm

[181] Wait, I vote for all three...

184 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:36 pm

When's the last game Cano didn't hit one on the screws?

185 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:36 pm

Hm. If they finally just cut Gaudin, that would clear a spot on the forty man roster to add a third catcher, who might then be called up when rosters expand. Not necessarily Montero, just another option to allow for Cervelli to get PH for.

186 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:38 pm

182) Oh, did he say that? i didn't see that...it is worrisome.

187 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:38 pm

Good job, guys. No reason to hang around any longer than necessary. Five pitches is plenty.

188 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:40 pm

Meanwhile, Gaudin is still in line for the three inning SAVE!!!!!

189 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:41 pm

Mind boggling.

190 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:42 pm

[186] http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/08/23/pregame-notes-updates-on-jeter-pettitte-a-rod-and-the-rotation/

And there’s a chance the remaining everyday infielders could also get a day off — or a DH day — here in Toronto.

“I’ll think about maybe giving Robbie a day off here too,” Girardi said. “I know he’s tired too, so it’s something we’ll have to look at. Maybe we’ll look at Tex.”

191 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:43 pm

189) which: three inning save, leadoff walk, or continued existence on the roster?

192 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:44 pm

190) all the more reason to call up, say, Miranda and eliminate one of the surplus pitchers.

193 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:44 pm

[191] Mainly the walk. And then something something, continued roster presence.

(I expected to think of a good Latin phrase in place of "something something", but all I could think of was a fortiori, which isn't quite right.)

194 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:45 pm

Yeah, Baby!

195 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:46 pm

Get it, Chad??? Give them the line drives! Those are better for us than walks!

196 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:50 pm

193) in this case, I think you are trying to make an a posteriori argument. So, the lead off walk, and a postieriori (from that which comes later, i.e. the walk) his continued existence on the roste.

197 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:53 pm

It would sure be nice if Posada can stay hot down the stretch.

198 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:56 pm

[197] On the odd occasion he plays, of course.

199 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:56 pm

[197] And Granderson.

200 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:56 pm

[193],[196] Gaudin is the answer to existentialism...

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201 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:57 pm

Nuñez doesn't get cheated when he swings, huh?

202 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:58 pm

Nunez has some wheels.

203 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 9:58 pm

Dude is swift.

204 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:00 pm

Ramming speed!

205 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:00 pm

Shit! Jeter now 1 for 14 with the bases loaded.

206 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:01 pm

200) Gaudin and existentialism, Gardner and quantum physics...they say the Yankees roster is deep, and they're not kidding.

207 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:01 pm

It seems as if Jeter has been showing a little bit of resignation lately. He doesn't seem to have the same confident body language at the plate.

208 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:02 pm

Singleton's voice lulled my roommate to sleep past her annoying alarm, now she's gonna be late for work.

209 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:02 pm

[205] Which means the rest of the team must be batting close to .500.

210 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:05 pm

Gardner is not getting down the line as fast as he did at the beginning of the year...that wasn't very close at all, even with the 3B triple clutching.

211 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:06 pm

No save for Gaudin. : (

212 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:06 pm

[206] Yeah, wait'll Jesus gets here >;)

213 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:08 pm

[212] Wait till Beckett comes to town.

214 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:09 pm

[208] I told her she should have had a radio clock tuned to WCBS...

215 Chyll Will   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:12 pm

[213] All we need is for him or Alex again to be spotted with Madonna...

216 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:13 pm

Well, that was long.

217 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:13 pm

We do have real relief pitchers.

218 RIYank   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:14 pm

[213] Spotted Beckett. An amusing British desert.

219 Just Fair   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:15 pm

[215] She's dancing at Sleepovers at 11:00.
Good win, all.

220 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:17 pm

It'd be nice if the Yankees could have a few more games like that over the next few weeks. The blowouts have seemed to be few and far between.

221 OldYanksFan   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:17 pm

[207] Excellent... I was just thinking that also. He's more upset then usual when he makes a hard out or at bad calls by the ump. Situations that he always shrugged off before. I do believe, between the contract year, his age and his down year, that the unflapable Jeter is getting flapped (flap? flappy?).

222 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:19 pm

Much less irritating game tonight.

Ken Boyer, if you're out there, I thought you made a funny last night, btw.

It may just be me, but despite the awesomeness of the home run barrage, I could have sworn our pitchers were getting squeezed something fierce. Off to check out pitch fx on this one.

223 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:23 pm

Looks like Moseley had 11 strikes that were called balls. Congratulations, ump. That's spectacularly shitty!

There really is a bad umpiring epidemic out there.

224 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:27 pm

Ump missed two more for Gaudin, and another for Wood.

I guess the guy was consistent, at least? There was a low strike on one of the sides of the plate (pitch fx always befuddles me as to inside and outside) that the guy refused to call all night.

Of course, those pitches are strikes, so I'll still think the guy called a lousy game behind the plate. And wasn't horribly upset when he took one in the mask.

225 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:44 pm

221) i imagine the hard outs are especially frustrating for a player having a rough year. It's a lot easier to laugh off that last line drive out when you are hitting .320.

Jeter is absolutely killing LHP this season, but struggling mightily against RHP. When the Yankees sign him to a four year deal in the offseason, they need to think about sitting him more frequently against RHP...maybe having him start around 130 or 140 (at the outside) games.

226 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:49 pm

[222] ?

227 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:49 pm

The Angels kind of suck.

228 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Aug 24, 2010 10:54 pm

[225] You think Jeter wants a four year deal? He is frustrated now, I don't think he will want to play if not effective. He doesn't need the money or the ego feed, I bet he asks for a two year deal.

229 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 11:04 pm

[225] Is .333 .385 .509 .894 really killing lefties? I'd like to look deeper into the numbers, but I'd swear Jeter's greatest struggles have come against power righties, so perhaps Girardi would be wise to use those occassions to give Jeter a rest. Not only does it give him a needed break, but it elimiates having to use him in the leadoff spot out of obligation.

230 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 11:04 pm

[227] They seems as if they are ready to go fishing.

231 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 11:08 pm

228) i try not to delve into the mind or psyche of the players. Rather, I assume they try to get as many years and as much money as possible. Starting from that point, I assume that he will push for the longest practical contract he could hope to negotiate for: four years.

But mostly i am tweaking OYF's beak, since he is the loudest Jeter critique these days AND he obsesses about how many years/dollars he will get.

My underlying point is that we should simply get over the fact that Jeter will end up overpaid in terms of dollars and years relative to a "normal" player. So, given that, how can the Yankees get the most value out of the "bad" deal they will inevitably make.

232 monkeypants   ~  Aug 24, 2010 11:11 pm

229) Is .333 .385 .509 .894 really killing lefties?

Um, yes. This year that's about a 140 OPS+, at a premium defensive position.

233 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 24, 2010 11:54 pm

[232] I don't think a 140 OPS+ qualifies as "killing". If so, what does Robinson Cano do to them? I thought cruel and unusual punishment was banned by the Geneva Convention.

234 monkeypants   ~  Aug 25, 2010 12:20 am

233) ahh, and the excellent becomes the enemy of the good. So, Jeter v. LHP is not as good as Cano (one of the best hitters in the league this season) v. LHP. you got me there.

Meanwhile, 140 OPS+ is better than any one of Jeter's season totals save 1999, and his .894 v. LHP this season is right near his career numbers .908) in a much more difficult run scoring environment. So, I would look at a HoF player equaling or even outperforming his career numbers in a given platoon split. I might go so far as to call it "killing" them.

But if you want to set the bar at, say, the top three hitters in the league, go right ahead.

235 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 25, 2010 3:45 am

I'm watching the 2003 World Series now.

I had forgotten what a horribly unlikeable group those Marlins were.

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