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Take Two

It is still raining in New York.

Yanks, O’s–let’s get this in and Let’s Go Yank-ees!

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1 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 5:13 pm

Verdict in in Bonds trial.

2 Alex Belth   ~  Apr 13, 2011 5:20 pm


3 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 5:43 pm

Guilty of obstruction of justice, mistrial on the rest.

4 stormer   ~  Apr 13, 2011 5:49 pm

One count, obstruction. Probably get 6-12 months home confinement. I doubt the government will refile.

5 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 6:23 pm

[1] No way this happens to a polite white man.

OK.... I have just hung a GIANT target on my chest.
He a Lefty SP, the very definition of an innings eater (averging 200 IP over 11 years), is 33, and can be had for money only.

Barry Zito (ducks head and runs like Hell....)

6 stormer   ~  Apr 13, 2011 6:48 pm

[5] Except Roger Clemens of course. And with all due respect, I don't think race had anything to do with this. If Mark McGuire had lied to a grand jury or to congress he'd be right there with them. Clemens insisted on attending the hearings, insisted! The height of arrogance. He then lied, and now he is being prosecuted. As someone who works in civil rights, an accusation of racism where none exists hurts our cause, it doesn't further it.

As for "polite," a racially charged term as used here already, I believe there is a benefit for anyone to cultivate a perception of politeness and respectability, especially a public figure. It is a lot easier for a prosecutor to gather up the gumption and support for a prosecution of a known ass hole like Bonds or even Ty Cobb, than for say, Derek Jeter or Hank Aaron, regardless of the charges. That is just common sense. If one is a belligerent fool, people will look to take the individual down, that has nothing to do with race.

By way of example, I am nearly certain that if Pete Rose could have stopped himself from being a giant buffoon, he would be putting polish on his plaque right now.

7 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:10 pm

Where the hell is Ken Singleton?

8 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:13 pm

[5] Did happen to Martha Stewart.

9 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:19 pm

I hate many of the Orioles starting with Brian Roberts. He's a pest.
One more AJ!

10 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:19 pm

Nice D, Tex!

11 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:20 pm

[6] I agree. Do not lie to the feds. It pisses them off.

12 RagingTartabull   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:21 pm

meanwhile down in The Bible Belt...

“I threw him under the bus by telling the truth about what happened,” Hamilton said. “What do you want me to do, lie about it? People are going to blame who they want to blame.”

13 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:21 pm

[11] I also agree that calling racism on every little thing creates a boy who cried wolf problem.

14 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:22 pm

[12] You know, I just don't like Josh Hamilton. I think his whole story is very phony.

15 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:23 pm

Yeah, I don't think OYF meant that no white person could ever be convicted of obstruction of justice. [6] Clemens hasn't been convicted of anything!

16 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:23 pm

Jeter passed Gehrig against Tillman

17 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:25 pm

"Do not lie to the feds..."
Definitely, but Bonds was exonerated of lying to the feds.

18 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:26 pm

[12] What a jerk. I'm sure the coach didn't tell him to slide in head first.

He was not well-liked in Cincinnati. He was completely shocked when they traded him...but I wasn't.

19 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:27 pm

Out by a lot.

20 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:27 pm

Not even close.

21 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:28 pm


22 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:28 pm

I blame Mattpat for that. Girardi wanted him to just stand there.

23 RagingTartabull   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:28 pm

[14] I had a big discussion with a friend via email about him today, I'll just copy what I wrote:

I think its good that people in recovery look at him as a kind of role model, i honestly do. but when doc gooden would relapse he was a junkie piece of shit, when hamilton did he was "struggling with his sobriety." I think a lot of it has to do with race, and the fact that his overt christianity makes him appealing to a certain segment of fans and he's handled with kid gloves because of it.

I mean just imagine for a moment that was Miguel Cabrera. He's an addict, he's been in rehab, he's had a public relapse, there is really no difference between them. If he had done that he'd be getting torn apart right now.

24 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:29 pm

[17] The obstruction of justice conviction was for lying to a grand jury.

In any case, it doesn't matter. If you lie under oath, they'll keep coming after you until they get you for something.

25 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:29 pm


26 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:30 pm

Dude's not fooling anybody.

27 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:30 pm

This is a promising start.

28 RagingTartabull   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:30 pm

coulda had a run by now...

29 Simone   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:31 pm

I don't feel bad for Barry, but I do think that feds went after him driven by the negativity about him in the media and some fans. It is interesting how the tide has turned and he is viewed as the victim by a lot of those same ESPN posters who used to hate on him. Anyway, Clemens next.

Hamilton and all those players who slide head first are fools who risk injury. Sliding head first is not a good baseball play. It is Hamilton's own fault that he broke his arm.

30 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:31 pm

[23] Lets not forget that when he did relapse, Hamilton, the Rangers and MLB all swept it under the rug until they were exposed by Deadspin. If baseball is willing to cover for him once, why should I believe he's clean at all?

31 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:32 pm

[24] Are you sure? He was found not guilty of the perjury charge. If the jury decided he lied to a grand jury, surely they would convict him of perjury.

But in any case, I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of what you're saying about the feds. I just think the verdicts are somewhat odd.

32 RagingTartabull   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:32 pm

that'll do

33 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:32 pm

No doubt laser!

34 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:32 pm

Now we a run. Or three...

35 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:32 pm

Hell yes!

36 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:32 pm

Damn. Tillman not fooling anyone thus far.

37 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:32 pm

I like Chris Tillman. He's fun.

38 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:33 pm

[31] Was he found not guilty or did the jury deadlock? I heard the latter.

39 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:33 pm

[38] Yep, you're right, couldn't reach a verdict.

40 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:36 pm

[38] He was convicted of obstruction of justice. Hung jury on all the other charges.


41 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:37 pm

It's not just the verdict... but 3 years, millions of dollars and questionable tactics by the prosecutibg team. Furthermore, because of the extreme politically correct environment, you do not hear a lot of overt racism... but it still exists.

Clemens has been the aggressor in this and has sued McNamee. If he shup up and did nothing, it might have blown over. Clemens has been his own worst enemy with his arrogance.

Anybody see Gardy look to the plate twice during that attempted steal? What's he looking for? If Jeter hits the ball, he will hear it. You can also see he's nit at full speed when he's turning. Whn you are out by 1/20th of a second, those head turns cost ya.

42 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:37 pm

My damn tv feed is about 30 seconds behind GameDay.

43 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:37 pm

Apparently, from what I heard from the ESPN crew, the obstruction charge was for a rambling answer Bonds gave to the GJ about being a celebrity child (Dad being Bobby Bonds and all.) He really didn't answer the question. As it's the DA who asks the questions, I'd put the onus on the DA to make sure the question got answered. If Bonds continued to duck and weave that question, then a judge could treat it as a Greg Anderson refusal to answer and thus send him to jail.

44 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:39 pm

"deep left center."

45 Simone   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:39 pm

[24] Except, the feds don't keep coming after you if you lie under oath. Tons of people lie under oath every day in federal court. If they went after all those people, the justice department would go broke in a couple months. The prosecution of Barry like every other BALCO case was/is selective prosecution. And in the eyes of a lot of people a waste of money. I suspect this is why the judge who has heard all these cases has made it very hard for the prosecutors to get these convictions and has purposely given every single athlete convicted the lightest sentence possible.

46 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:39 pm

[43] Interesting. How did ESPN get that info -- interviewing jurors?

47 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:42 pm

[46] It would have to be specified in the charge. You have to state specific facts in a charge. You are charging a defendant for specific acts.

48 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:44 pm

[47] Aha! I get it. So that was in the bill of indictment.

Cripes, AJ is not going deep into the game tonight, that's for sure.

49 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:47 pm
50 stormer   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:48 pm

[41] I agree, Clemens is a moron, and he couldn't let sleeping dogs lie. So now he'll be prosecuted too.

Bonds is an ass hole, and that made the prosecution so much easier to justify. However, he broke the record, and it wouldn't matter if he were black, green, orange, or fuchsia, if there was something to prosecute him for, he was going to be prosecuted.

And I for one applaud it! It means baseball still means something more than "a business" to some part of this nation. It is evidence that it remains our pastime to some and hasn't been swallowed completely by the NFL machine. Baseball is different. The record is different. This isn't some NFL rushing record or career touchdown pass aggregation - - this matters.

51 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:49 pm

[49] Huh.
Do you think Calcaterra is right on this?

52 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:50 pm

I really don't like watching AJ pitch

53 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:50 pm

At least the pen is well-rested, with the off day and the rainout.

54 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:53 pm

[51] I don't know, but that's what the reports are. At least with Martha Stewart, she did tamper with some evidence, this was simply a rambling non answer, even though he answered previously. It's an extraneous statement.

55 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:56 pm

Good enough.
Tell you what, I'll take five scoreless innings, if that's what AJ can give us.

56 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:57 pm

Bonds should open a juice stand somewhere on the other side of the world with Manny, McGwire, and Rose. They can all bugger off as far as I'm concerned.
On the bright side, If AJ's arm is ready for 150 pitches he might go 5 tonight.

57 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:58 pm

[55] But at this rate, he'll be over 130 pitches by then.

58 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:58 pm

[50} Yes.... with a 100 year history of cheating and drug use, and with probably 500-1000 PED users over the last 2 decades, MLB has been redeemed by hanging Bonds on to dry.

Mind you, Bonds is not my ideal of an attractive person. But as mentioned above, the process was very selective.

And lastly, I'll say this. If Bonds can be prosected for lying, the system should be sued and jailed for continually allowing 'confidencial' infomation to be leaked.

59 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:58 pm

Meanwhile... is there a Yankee game tonight?

60 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:59 pm

All right Martin!

61 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 7:59 pm

Martin has been quite the stud so far.

62 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:00 pm

Someone has to go drop in at Dodger Thoughts and express our appreciation for Russell Martin.

63 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:01 pm

Gotta give Cashman some credit. While we were all salivating for Jesus, Cashman was just being a ninja GM.

64 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:01 pm

Was playing some sporcle during AJ's inning. Tried to name all the starting second baseman from 2005-2009. Forgot about people like derosa and anderson hernandez

65 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:03 pm

Wow.... Arizona has a Catcher named Miguel Montero

66 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:04 pm

[62] And maybe get some opinions on Manny too?

67 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:04 pm


68 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:04 pm


69 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:04 pm

line drive rbi in the box score.

70 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:05 pm

Captain to OYF: so what's wrong with ground balls?

71 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:05 pm

[65] Is Montero going to be the new Molina?

72 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:06 pm

[70] Err.... Jeter can have his balls on the ground when he's on top of Minky, but otherwise, I'd prefer a little air time.

73 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:07 pm

[71] Not with that 1.2+ OPS he's now sporting.

74 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:08 pm

[45] Simone??? Where ya been?

75 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:09 pm


76 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:10 pm

Tito has decided to skip John Lackey -- rain day, off day, he can play around with the rotation.
Not surprised, but it has to make Lackey feel like, you know, Freddy Garcia.

77 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:11 pm


78 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:11 pm


Yay Rob!

79 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:11 pm

Christ, its still only the second inning?

80 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:13 pm

Anyone listening to the new Joe Pos podcast? Pretty good.

81 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:13 pm

I know. This game could go five hours.

82 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:14 pm

[76] I was watching WEEI today. The conversation was about who sucked more: Dice-BB or Lackey. Anyone see yesterday's Sox game? Watching them incapable of overcoming a 2 run lead, and watching Lester lose the game 3-2, was better then watching the Yankees.

The good news is now, at most, the Sox can only win 153 games.

83 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:14 pm

[81] Before the interminable Yankees/Sox games, Yankees/O's games went FOR-EVER

84 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:16 pm

[82] Yes, I did see the game. It was a good game -- the Sox didn't look terrible at all.
Don't watch EEI. It will make your brain melt.

And now everyone has come to the plate this inning, right? There's Curtis on deck.

85 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:16 pm

Mo better not come into this game.

86 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:17 pm

Damn, Cletus needed a hit.

87 randym77   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:17 pm

Holy cow, what a catch.

88 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:17 pm

Wow! Shades of 2003, Game 7.

89 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:17 pm

Wow, nice play. Saved at least two runs.

90 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:21 pm

1,2,3. Everyone take a drink.

91 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:22 pm

Hey, AJ is actually pitching like he has a big lead.
And there's the easy inning he needed!

92 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:23 pm

[90] If you insist!

93 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:34 pm

Good AJ tonight.

94 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:36 pm

More about the Bonds case:

A juror who also gave just her first name, Amber, said that the final votes were 8-4 to acquit Bonds of lying about steroids and 9-3 to acquit him on lying about HGH use. The panel voted 11-1 to convict him of getting an injection from someone other than his doctor, with one woman holding out, she said.

95 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:39 pm

Kay is just gushing over Showalter.

96 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:41 pm

Looks like this really could be a huge year for A-Rod.

97 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:51 pm

Good AJ, good!

98 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:52 pm

Atta boy, AJ!

99 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:52 pm


100 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:54 pm

Hip Hip!

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101 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:55 pm

Jorge joins the party! Lots of 0fers being snapped tonight.

102 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:55 pm

Curtis is the spitting image of Dulé Hill.

103 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:55 pm

Wow... this is a really old team.
Don't know how we can possibly win...

104 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:56 pm

[102] Curtis has a skinnier face

105 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 8:59 pm

Well... I mentioned the name of Barry Zito in the last thread and wasn't banned... so that's good.

106 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:03 pm




So...I just watched that Sterling clip Alex posted.

I'm utterly speechless. I had *no* idea there was a whole bodily thing to with his Yankees win call.

Does he do it every time?

Wow. I just don't know what to think but strangely, I have new respect for the guy.

That was downright bizarre. He utterly transcended corny and plunged himself almost into Dali territory of grotesquerie.

My God.

I hope every last one of yous has seen it.

107 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:04 pm

No hitter over. freddy freeman

108 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:05 pm

[105] We all have embarrassing moments, and try not to mention others'.

If Barry can't pitch in the NL West, he'd get killed in the AL Beast.

109 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:10 pm

If they had the Jeter Shift on, he probably doesn't have his single.

110 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:11 pm

[109] He has two singles.

111 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:14 pm

Might not have either if the Shift is on.

112 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:18 pm


113 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:19 pm

I hate the throwing the ball back shit.

114 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:19 pm

Oh well.

115 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:21 pm

Oh Shit. I guess now ARod has to hit another HR.

116 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:23 pm

The wheels seem to be coming off.

117 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:23 pm

Perhaps this was an inning too far for AJ.

118 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:24 pm

Frak. 3 run lead. At this rat Mo will enter the game. I blame myself.

119 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:24 pm

Yeah, maybe 95 pitches is enough, in April. For non-CC pitchers.

120 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:24 pm

So much for not seeing Mo in this rain shitty game.

121 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:24 pm

From Lohud:
"Alex Rodriguez has 1,836 career RBI. He needs one to pass Ken Griffey Jr. for sole possession of 13th on baseball’s all-time list, and he needs three to tie Ted Williams and Al Simmons for 11th. With 14 more home runs — doubt he’ll get there today — Rodriguez will tie Griffey Jr. for fifth on baseball’s all-time homers list."

Watching ARod these next few years will be fun.
P.S. That was posted before Alex's 3 run HR.

122 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:25 pm

[118] He hasn't pitched since the 7th. It might not have been a bad idea to get him in the game anyway

123 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:28 pm

Love Dave.

124 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:29 pm

[120] The longest tenured Yankee behind Jeter, Mo, and Posada. Hard to fathom.

125 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:30 pm

Well done, David.

126 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:34 pm

Looks like it's RoSoMo tonite ...

127 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:35 pm

sno cone!

128 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:37 pm

[122] True. I'm just worried about how many bullets he has left.

129 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:39 pm

Ugh, the So part of the equation doesn't seem to have much on his fastball tonite ...

130 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:40 pm

"Well, there you go and *you're* doing TV."


131 Raf   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:40 pm

Leiter-Kay, ooo, burn!

132 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:42 pm

Oooh, what'd Leiter say, what'd Leiter say?

133 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:49 pm

I bet Russell M. can't bunt.

134 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:49 pm

Weird signals from the catcher. Wheel play in place?

135 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:51 pm

Too bad Russell can't bunt.

136 Raf   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:52 pm

[132] “Well, there you go and *you’re* doing TV.” This was in reference to Kay vehemently disagreeing with Righetti about leaving Lincecum in if he had a no hitter going and a high pitch count.

137 Raf   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:54 pm

[136] Part of a bigger discussion about Josh Johnson, young pitchers, no hitters and high pitch counts early in the season.

138 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 13, 2011 9:57 pm

Heheh. Cheers, Raf.

139 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 10:00 pm

Oh, just give in, Andino.
That's better.

140 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 10:00 pm

Strike this flea out.

141 Just Fair   ~  Apr 13, 2011 10:02 pm

High cheese. All Rise.

142 RIYank   ~  Apr 13, 2011 10:02 pm

Thanks be to Mo.

143 rbj   ~  Apr 13, 2011 10:02 pm

Oh well, another save for Mo. And all is right with the world. Good night all.

144 The Hawk   ~  Apr 13, 2011 10:17 pm

It occurred to me that if Russell Martin been signed by Boston, I'd be saying "Holy shit, they found another one of those hateable Red Sox types"

145 Dimelo   ~  Apr 13, 2011 10:27 pm

Feliciano is out for a long period of time. That Cashman really is an astute dude.

146 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 14, 2011 12:49 am

Yay winning game and joining a tie for first place!
Yay A-Rod tater!
Yay Cano tater!
Yay Mo & AJ!
Boo me missing the game and being in stuck in the ward office tax dept for 4+ hours this morning!

147 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 14, 2011 1:06 am

[146] Er..that should be "Yay Posada tater!"

Anyways, I smell a sweep of the O's. The Showalter-love is getting mighty annoying..there's a reason this guy wears out his welcome everywhere, don't people remember?

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