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Is Derek Jeter headed for the disabled list? That’s a good possibility. Via Twitter, here’s Joel Sherman: “More hints Jeter to DL: My colleague, George King, says Ramiro Pena is at Stadium.” With the Yanks headed to the National League this weekend, makes sense, no?


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1 Start Spreading the News   ~  Jun 14, 2011 3:22 pm

NOOOO. I have tix for tomorrow's game and was hoping for a 6 for 6 day from the Capn!

2 Alex Belth   ~  Jun 14, 2011 4:21 pm

1) Yeah, me too.

3 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 4:38 pm

With the Yanks headed to the National League this weekend, makes sense, no?

I'm not convinced that Ramiro Peña to the Yankees ever makes sense, no matter the circumstances.

4 Alex Belth   ~  Jun 14, 2011 4:55 pm

So far, no DL.

5 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:08 pm

[4] My guess is the Yankees will jerk around, benching Jeter for 3 or 4 or 5 games so that the bench is effectively short. Then he will play one game, probably getting pulled after being unable to finish the game, or possibly exacerbating his injury. After a few more games of farting around, the Yankees will finally put him on the DL, which will result in him being lost for extra time because they can't retroact it back to the original injury.

We've seen this gambit before by the Yankees, of course. And now we get to watch it as a double feature with Martin!

6 a.O   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:16 pm

It would be a real knucklehead move for the Yankees to let him talk his way out of going to the DL. And Jeter's continued lobbying, IMHO, has crossed the line to selfishness.

7 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:24 pm

[6] Wait...what is the evidence that Jeter has lobbied one way or the other?

8 a.O   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:27 pm

[7] Heyman in the latest LoHud post says Jeter "will continue to try to plead his case to not go on the DL." Etc.

9 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:28 pm

According to LoHud:

Derek Jeter just met with us. He said he will continue to try to plead his case to not go on the DL, but that he understands that decisions have to be made.

That doesn't sound particularly selfish to me. In fact, this is what I would expect from any professional player.

10 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:29 pm

Also according to LoHud:

Either Jeter will go on the DL or a pitcher will be sent down.

Now, if it takes an injury to convince the team not to carry so many useless pitchers, so be it...

11 a.O   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:38 pm

[9] Especially given the upcoming NL-rules games and Jeter's diminished offensive skills, taking up a useless roster spot or forcing the manager to risk exacerbating your injury is, IMHO, short-sited and puts yourself ahead of the long-term good of the team. I get that you don't like Pena. So we disagree.

12 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:45 pm

[11] My dislike of Peña is a separate issue. I want players who, short of catastrophic injury, want to play. I want them to lobby to play, so long as they understand that the coach makes the final call.

At the same time, I want the coach to listen to the doctors, the GM, etc. (and of course the player), and make the best decision.

In short, everyone in this case is doing and saying exactly what I would want of professional athletes and coaches, with no one acting selfishly.

13 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:48 pm

[11] Frankly, if teams didn't carry 12 or 13 pitchers (i.e., one or two or three useless BP fodder), they could better deal with smaller injuries to position players that, in the old days, would not require a full two weeks on the DL. In this particular case, the Yankees have further complicated matters by (a) jerking around with Russell MArtin's injury, and (b) continuing their absurd love affair with Cervelli. Those errors lie with the coach and/or GM, not with Jeter.

14 a.O   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:48 pm

[12] So like I said, we disagree.

15 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 5:53 pm

[14] With regards to Peña, I would consider not calling him up even if Jeter goes t the DL. The odds are he will simply ride the pine for two weeks while Nuñez plays. Yea, sure, he MIGHT come in if the PH for Nuñez, but how often will that happen, especially in the NL where they will use their sparse bench to PH for a pitcher or perhaps Cervelli.

Rather, I would try to call up anyone who can hit a little and gamble that Nuñez escapes injury over the next two weeks. The worst case scenario is that Nuñez gets hurt and for part of one night you shift Cervelli to the IF (as they did the other night)...then you can call up Peña.

16 a.O   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:05 pm

[15] I think you are incorrect about how to best use Pena and how Girardi will use Pena, especially in the NL games. He will be useful as a PR/SB threat and adds value as a defensive replacement at several positions. But your strategy makes sense if you can get some incremental offensive value out of a bench player who may get 1 AB/game as a PH for a pitcher. Who is there in Scranton who makes that worth your while? Perhaps Montero if his numbers gave more confidence that he would actually hit.

17 rbj   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:07 pm

Crappy news, but I'd DL Derek, so he'll be fresh for the end of the season.

What does the Yankees schedule look like in 2 weeks?

18 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:11 pm

All "mute" now, Jeter's gone on the 15-day DL.

Pena called up.

19 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:33 pm

[16] You may be right about Peña as a potential PR/double-switch defensive replacement. As for a potential PH, I would definitely go with Montero. I would also consider Laird (even though he is still adjusting to AAA, it seems). I would have gone with Maxwell, but he's on the 7-day DL. Can MiL DLed players be called up? Hm. In any case, once he is off the MiL DL, I would call him up for sure.

20 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:34 pm

{18] Jeter is so lazy.

21 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:37 pm

Oh, man.

It is *so* not our year.

22 cult of basebaal   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:38 pm

[19] Sorry MP, Maxwell's done for the season. Tore a labrum in his shoulder going over the wall to rob a homerun.

23 monkeypants   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:43 pm

[22] Aha. That's what happens when I try to follow baseball from Europe.

So what has to happen before Montero gets the call??

24 Start Spreading the News   ~  Jun 14, 2011 6:55 pm

First he has to be healthier. Last night he was knocked dizzy due to a collision at the plate. And he has been fighting an eye infection.

25 briang   ~  Jun 15, 2011 2:21 am

montero sounds healthy to me. sounds like he was really sharp in this game. his quote is great, "born to hit the ball to right center" and that play at the plate sounded really smart. i look forward to his opportunity.

i don't mind seeing ramiro back, but you either get insurance or you get a weapon. i'd probably get insurance too but i like the idea of the weapon!

let's see what happens tomorrow!!!!!!!!

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