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Blue Streak

Man, can you believe it’s been a whole four days since the Yankees have played the Blue Jays? Feels like . . . Oh, right.

The Jays roster remains the same as it was last weekend when the Yanks took two of three in Toronto, though there’s a chance that Orlando Hudson could return to action this weekend after sitting since September 7 due to an ankle injury. Considering the fact that all three of last weekend’s contests were decided by a single run, and that the Jays are coming off a split with the Mariners in which they outscored their opponent by a single run over the course of four games, the Jays could use any advantage that might tip the balance in their favor. Still, one hopes that the upgrade from struggling rookie Aaron Hill to a less mobile Hudson wouldn’t be enough to overcome the disadvantage the Jays face as a .459 road team coming in to face a team playing .654 ball at home that has handled them nicely thus far this season (Yanks own the series 10-5).

While the Yanks play three at home against the Jays followed by four on the road against the O’s, the second-place Red Sox (now trailing by a nice, round full game) do the exact opposite (three in Baltimore, then four at home against Toronto), so one would hope that neither of these teams is ready to roll over completely. Still, it sure would be nice to see the Yanks clean house on their final home stand of the year.

One item already in their favor is that Joe Torre has decided to go with Chien-Ming Wang on Sunday (as well he should) moving Aaron Small to the bullpen, which can use all the help it can get. With that, I’ve been able to project the pitching match-ups for the remainder of the season on the side bar.

Tonight, the Yanks send Shawn Chacon to the mound. Chacon has owned the Jays in two starts since joining the Yanks (total line: 15 IP, 10 H, 2 R, 0 HR, 5 BB, 7 K), and turned in a gem in Toronto last Saturday. The next day, Ted Lilly, who starts against Chacon tonight, turned in his first quality start since Bastille Day, handing the Yankees their only loss since September 10, but was lit-up by the Bombers in two starts at the beginning of the season. One hopes the Jays aren’t overly familiar with Chacon at this point and that he can continue his dominance of the remaining Canadian team. Meanwhile, here’s hoping the O’s take the never-say die spirit that gave us all fits over the past three days and perhaps some individual anger and stick it to the Sox.

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1 vockins   ~  Sep 23, 2005 2:19 pm

1.  I have a couple of questions about Johnson v. Schilling.

What are the bad cheap seats in Fenway? Right field? What are the decent ones? Or are they all bad?

Does anyone have any suggestions for where I should park my NY plated car around Fenway? I'd like to avoid having it flipped over and burned after the Yanks knock the Sox out of the playoffs.

2 unpopster   ~  Sep 23, 2005 2:55 pm

2.  vockins...no joke here. DO NOT park your NY plate car around Fenway Park. I was stupid enough to park my NY plated car across the street from the Green Monster (in the Landsdowne Street garage) for the 1999 Clemens-Pedro ALCS game.

No joking, I drove out of the garage and onto Landsdowne Street, into a crowded street of drunken, Sox fans and had everything not nailed down thron at my car. In fact, it got so bad that I seriously thought that I was going to get Reginald Denny'd -- pulled out of the car and breaten to a pulp.

Absolutely no exaggeration. God's honest truth!

3 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:09 pm

3.  Oh no, it's an ESPN game.

4 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:10 pm

4.  Sut...cliffe.... no. no. noooooooo...

5 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:10 pm

5.  Here we go.

Go get 'em Shawn!!!!

6 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:13 pm

6.  Nice job of getting over to 1B by Chacon.

7 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:13 pm

7.  I don't let Wells beat me.

8 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:14 pm

8.  Our pitchers have been pretty good fielders of late.

9 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:15 pm

9.  Breaking ball looks crisp. That's a good thing.

10 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:21 pm

10.  BOOM!

11 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:21 pm

11.  Sweet, Jete.

12 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:21 pm

12.  Nice start, Jete!

13 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:21 pm

13.  Allright, Jetes!

14 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:22 pm

14.  Another lead off HR for DJ.

Look our Rickey.

Eh, maybe not.

15 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:22 pm

15.  Let's go, Robbie. Too much noise out here (Bay Area) about Street. Have a huge night...

16 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:22 pm

16.  BOOM!

17 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:23 pm

17.  That's EXACTLY what I'm takin' about!

18 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:23 pm

18.  Looks like it might be a short night for Lilly.

19 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:23 pm

19.  That's a back-to-back jack, fact.
(with apologies to Bill Murray.)

20 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:24 pm

20.  LOL! aaaaaaarrrmy training, sir!

21 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:25 pm

21.  Walked A-Rod. Probably smart, given what happened with Jeter and Cano.

22 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:26 pm

22.  C'mon Sheff, keep the pressure going...

23 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:30 pm

23.  Pour it on.

24 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:30 pm

24.  Nice AB, Mats!

25 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:31 pm

25.  MATSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUI

26 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:33 pm

26.  Don't let up! Keep your foot on their necks.

27 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:33 pm

27.  Sutcliffe is a hack.

28 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:33 pm

28.  Yup, I've had just about enough of Sutcliffe

29 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:35 pm

29.  Holy shit. I just turned on the Sox Orioles feed on my XM, to hear some lady butchering the national anthem

30 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:39 pm

30.  C'mon Tino, keep it going...

31 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:40 pm

31.  That'll work...

32 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:40 pm

32.  Tino baby!!!

33 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:41 pm

33.  Am I seeing things or did Posada almost get tagged out at second before Matsui crossed the plate?

34 watziznehm2   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:41 pm

34.  We do need to pen proof this. Another 20 should be enough I think ;)

35 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:42 pm

35.  Didn't catch that, atc...

36 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:43 pm

36.  Posada was thinking of going to 3rd, but wisely thought better of it.

37 tom yf   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:44 pm

37.  Ah, on-base and slugging. Such a cute couple.

38 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:46 pm

38.  Why does Bernie play CF?

39 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:50 pm

39.  OK, some solid D so far this innning...

40 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:54 pm

40.  Boston 1-0 End 1st.

41 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:57 pm

41.  I've heard a worse team of announcers, but I just can't remember when...

42 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:58 pm

42.  Jetes being Jetes... good hustle!

43 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:58 pm

43.  Jeter is Picasso on the base-paths.

44 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 4:59 pm

44.  I hope Lilly's not hurt...we need him next week in Fenway

45 rilkefan   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:00 pm

45.  Yes, but Cano swung at the first pitch.

Yeah, yeah.

Note that Giambi's getting some nice rest today, and hopefully the pen too...

46 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:01 pm

46.  Jeter's baserunning won't make SportsCenter, but it's as good as an RBI to me! That my friends, is just one more reason he gets paid what he does.

47 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:02 pm

47.  Oh 2-0, I'm getting a hard on!

48 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:02 pm

48.  O's tie it

49 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:04 pm

49.  Nice pitch, yikes!

50 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:06 pm

50.  Can they just shut up with the MVP chatter, I'm geting sick of it.

51 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:06 pm

51.  C'mon Yanks, BIG inning here... I don't want to be recalling this "lost opportunity" with a tie score in the 6th....

52 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:06 pm

52.  2-1 o's

53 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:07 pm

53.  O's ahead!

54 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:08 pm

54.  What just happened?

55 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:08 pm

55.  Did someone just say 'Picasso'?

56 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:08 pm

56.  Now that baserunning will make SportsCenter. Bizarre

57 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:09 pm

57.  Whis is that Kid #2?

58 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:10 pm

58.  Horseshit inning, aside from Jeter...

59 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:10 pm

59.  FUCK!!!!!

That better no come back to haunt us!

60 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:10 pm

60.  ^%$^%$@!#!!!!
Bases loaded, no outs, and you don't score?
(^*&%^%^&!@!@@!!!!

61 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:10 pm

61.  Did we just have bases loaded and no out, and not score? Did I dream that?

62 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:16 pm

62.  The GP I went to as a kid used to give us B-12 shots all the time.

63 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:16 pm

63.  Great catch.

64 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:17 pm

64.  Nice one, Hideki!

65 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:17 pm

65.  Gold glove for Matsui, maybe?

66 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:17 pm

66.  Only on the Yankees does the worst defensive OFer play CF.

67 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:17 pm

67.  Did one of our outfielders just make an above average play?

68 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:17 pm

68.  That was a little "too smooth" for Mats, but I'll take it ;-)

69 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:17 pm

69.  Matsui will never win a GG.

70 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:20 pm

70.  OK, Yanks... we're gonna need 13 or 14 runs tonight, so let's keep the jackhammer going...

71 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:21 pm

71.  You can only hope to contain Posada...

72 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:30 pm

72.  What is Chacon's contract status?

73 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:31 pm

73.  FA, if memory serves...

74 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:32 pm

74.  If Cash lets him go . . . grrr. If I know Cashman, he will.

75 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:33 pm

75.  Chacon is arbitration eligible for one more year. He can't be a FA until after the 2006 season.

76 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:33 pm

76.  Storm — Rockies re-signed him to a one-year deal prior to this season...

77 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:34 pm

77.  Rich,

Good, thank you. That is music to my ears.

78 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:34 pm

78.  btw, Cashman traded for him, and he doesn't have the power to make any unilateral decisions. He may well leave after the season anyway, which would hurt the franchise.

79 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:35 pm

79.  damn, I was posting to the wrong thread, no wonder it seemed so dead! Thank God it's Friday

80 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:36 pm

80.  Sign Chacon, Sign Wagner, Sign Cameron, and end it there. That will be enough for me.

81 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:36 pm

81.  O's up 3-1

82 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:36 pm

82.  Cameron isn't a FA.

83 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:38 pm

83.  I don't really want cameron, as a short term option, okay, but he isn't our answer...

84 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:38 pm

84.  Sign BJ Ryan...

85 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:40 pm

85.  Cameron may never again play with the same reckless abandon after the injury. I don't want him either, and I would pursue Ryan, especially if Torre stays.

86 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:41 pm

86.  Amen Bklyn

87 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:41 pm

87.  All you can do is hit it hard.

88 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:42 pm

88.  This feels like yet another game where everyone (Yanks, fans, announcers, etc.) goes to sleep except the opponents offense... we need to keep scoring!

89 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:42 pm

89.  Rich,

The Mets will deal him. I was looking around at CF'ers and he seems to make the most sense. Minnesota will want the farm, so to speak, to aquire Hunter, the price will be too high. We can have someone from within play right, and Sheff can DH full time. Try and grab Billy Wagner and convince him to set-up, talk about a solid lefty in the pen, Agree?

90 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:44 pm

90.  Rich,

I would persoanally like to start Melky from day one next year, but I doubt that will happen. Who then, Hunter too costly, I am curious?

BJ Ryan would be good, but give me Wagner or give me death!

91 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:46 pm

91.  Anyone see the front page of ESPN.com today? Article about Big Papi and the DH as MVP. I haven't read it, but it seems like they're trying to work on a reason why the DH should get the same consideration.

Whatever. I'll take Chacon as my MVP at 8:45 on September 23rd.

92 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:48 pm

92.  Melky's not ready. He needs at least one full year at AAA before I'd put him in the Big Show.

I'd like to see the Yanks go after a Tampa player. Maybe Rocco Baldelli.

93 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:49 pm

93.  Stormer,

I am opposed to trading top prospects for Cameron.

The reason that signing Beltran made sense is that there weren't going to be any reasonable alternatives this off season.

They could try to susidize Pavano's contract and trade him for Pierre, who I don't really like, or overpay Damon, which I'm against.

Jacque Jones may be a FA. They could sign him as a stopgap.

94 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:49 pm

94.  Of course ESPN wants Ortiz, besides the fact that they are based in Ct. and half their writers are Sox fans (more probably), Ortiz fits into everything that the front running fan wants: an easily recognizable, likeable, and big home run hitting goofball that seems to hit a lot of "clutch" hrs, even though Arod has more game winning rbi's. ESPN has never been amenable towards the Yanks

95 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:49 pm

95.  Baldelli is coming off a major injury and has never had a good OBP.

96 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:50 pm

96.  I'm betting that Damon is roaming center for the Yanks next year. George and his yes men are in love with Damon and frankly he'd also serve the purpose of crippling the Sox.

Give me youth and give me speed!!

97 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:50 pm

97.  They could put Matsui in CF and acquire a corner OFer or two.

98 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:50 pm

98.  Mike,

Tampa? Give me Crawford! Give me Gathright, well preferably Crawford! Baldelli's all beat up.

99 JeremyM   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:51 pm

99.  Melky didn't even do much in AA I think after he was sent down, although I'm probably wrong. Hopefully the 5 games up here didn't set him back at all.

I hope Chacon can keep this up, we can get some more runs, and the bullpen can take a breather.

100 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:51 pm

100.  E - Skippy!

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101 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:51 pm

101.  How about a Bernie/Bubba platoon while Melky's getting the finishing touches on in Columbus? They'd be cheaper and you don't give up anything. Just a thought.

102 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:51 pm

102.  I think (hope) what will happen is that the Yanks will go with another year of stop gap measures of maybe Bubba/Bernie/someone else, or move Matsui there for the year, and see how the kids progress.
On the other hand, with George's lackys in control, I doubt that will happen and they will go after Cameron

103 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:51 pm

103.  rbj, you beat me to it!

104 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:51 pm

104.  Damon will want a four year contract, which would be crazy. They would be paying him for the past instead of the future, which, unfortunately, they do way too often.

105 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:51 pm

105.  Rich,

Matsui in center, for a whole year? Yikes!

106 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:52 pm

106.  I don't want Bernie anywhere near CF, and Bubba doesn't hit enough to justify being the LF part of a platoon. Remember, most pitchers are RH.

107 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:52 pm

107.  Come on, Yanks. Don't go to sleep now. Four runs is not nearly enough.

108 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:52 pm

108.  It beats the Bernie/Bubba idea.

109 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:53 pm

109.  Rich. I don't see the Yanks signing Damon, I just have a gut feeling about it. I would prefer not to sign him, so it works out for me.

110 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:54 pm

110.  Stormer,

There are no great answers. They could try to trade for Erstad, but at what price?

111 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:55 pm

111.  Rich,

That's why I like Mike Cameron in a deal, he's cheap, he's a great defensive CF'er, and he will still play hard.

Posada! You cannot contain that man!

112 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:55 pm

112.  Rich — Agreed. A Damon contract would be a goatfuck... we need to get younger, faster and cheaper.

113 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:56 pm

113.  Stormer,

Minaya will try to hold the Yankees up. I refuse to give the Mets top prospects.

114 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:57 pm

114.  Erstad? He can't play the OF anymore. Finley would be a pretty darn good stopgap though, and that may happen.

I would give my left testicle for G. Anderson, however. The most underrated player in the league over the past 8 years.

115 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:58 pm

115.  Matsui was a CF in Japan, wasn't he? I think he's actually been a CFer most of his career, if you count the Yomiuri Giants.

But he sure didn't do well when the Yanks tried him there.

116 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 5:59 pm

116.  Erstad can still play the OF, far better than Finley can.

I don't want Anderson. His OBP is too dependent on his AVG.

117 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:00 pm

117.  Yes, Mat played CF in Japan.

118 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:00 pm

118.  No more 40 year old FAs! No matter what position. Pulleeeeeeze!

119 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:00 pm

119.  I don't care about cheaper. If the money is there, spend it. We do however, need to get faster, but Tampa aint parting with their studs who can be paid nothing and cannot leave for Free Agency for 4-5 more years. I like Finley for a year if nothing pans out. G. Anderson in right, Matsui in Center, platoon in left.

120 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:01 pm

120.  Anderson in Left I mean.

121 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:01 pm

121.  The reason for the platoon/Matsui situation is exactly what we are seeing: there isn't any other real option. Its not worth what the Twins and Mets will ask for Hunter and Cameron, neither of whom are all that great offensively (though I would take Hunter leaps and bounds over Cameron). Damn is the alst thing we need, and maybe if there is some grinder out there that might help the platoon perhaps...

122 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:01 pm

122.  He was the #4 hitter and the CFer for the Yomiuri Giants. He wore #55 because that's the single season HR record in Japanj held by Oh Saddaharu. The Giants thought he'd break that record so they gave him the number.

He played on turf in the Tokyo Dome and the field is smaller. Plus, they don't play the game the same way in Japan. Over here they bunt and play small ball about 33% more than NL teams do in the States. Probably a lot less ground to cover and a lot less chances in the OF when he played for Kyojin.

123 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:02 pm

123.  Rich, Erstad has a bum leg. I live out there now, LA that is, aint no way in hell Erstad will get through a year in Center with that brace and injury, no way.

124 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:02 pm

124.  Keep focused, Yanks! Do not let this team think they're still in this game!

125 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:03 pm

125.  Give me Baldelli cause you can get him on the cheap. He's been all banged up, so you can steal him. He's a 4 tool player and he's still very young. Why not take a chance?

126 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:03 pm

126.  Again, that's why Beltran was a necessity.

They are going to overpay for someone, no matter what we think.

127 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:04 pm

127.  Pitch Count?

128 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:04 pm

128.  5-1 Indians, Hafner another HR, damn is he nasty

129 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:04 pm

129.  If you want Baldelli, on a team like the Yankees, you also need a Plan 1A, and the player for that plan isn't on the current roster.

130 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:05 pm

130.  Ortiz Strikes out in a BIG BIG BIG spot!

131 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:05 pm

131.  You could trade for Soriano and convert him into a CFer.

132 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:05 pm

132.  Quietly, a great outing from Chacon so far...

133 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:06 pm

133.  God Dammit Rich, why no love for Melky?

134 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:06 pm

134.  Hafner is a guy you want behind you in bar fight... I like that guy.

135 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:08 pm

135.  Soriano says he wont move, he is too valuable in contract negotiations as a second baseman he says, I don't want that attitude anywhere near the Yankees.

Not to mention, he will make far too many mistakes, count on it.

136 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:08 pm

136.  I would start Melky, but Torre gave him seven whole games to prove himself before he whined to Cashman. Why do you think that will change?

137 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:08 pm

137.  Wwell, of course, as we have discussed in the past, the most interesting solution is the Jeter to CF, but that won't happen.

Yeah, Hafner looks like he could be real mean if he wanted to

138 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:09 pm

138.  Fucking Tejada Error! Bases Juiced!

139 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:10 pm

139.  Soriano has not progessed one iota since leaving the Yanks. Same lack of discipline...

140 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:10 pm

140.  Yup, Jeter is the way to go.

141 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:10 pm

141.  What the heck happened to Gibbons?

142 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:10 pm

142.  Rich,

I just hope it will, anyone remember a young kid named Andruw Jones? He better not keep Melky out, I trust Reggie's opinion a whole lot more than Joe's.

143 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:11 pm

143.  Fucking O's melting down.

144 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:12 pm

144.  Mike, thanks for the info. I was wondering how Japanese baseball was different.

Matsui plays smart (except for every once in a blue moon, when he does something really boneheaded). He's not that fast, and his arm's not that great, but he usually finds a way to get the job done. But CF may be too much real estate for him.

145 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:12 pm

145.  Miggy is nothing but a B-12 piompin' SOB!

146 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:12 pm

146.  Anybody else notice Giambi's Mulet?

147 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:12 pm

147.  Sox go up 4-3. Jesus Christ! All errors and sloppy pitching.

148 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:14 pm

148.  Zack,

His hair is long in the front too, no mullet.

149 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:15 pm

149.  Kevin Brown, a mess whereever he's been.
Yup.

150 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:16 pm

150.  Good gravy. Jeter's been on base so often tonight he should be paying rent. But his only run is his own homer.

151 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:17 pm

151.  Is this game over?

152 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:17 pm

152.  Damn, when he wears a hat, it totally looks like a mullet, sigh...oh well

153 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:18 pm

153.  80 pitches for Chacon entering the inning...

154 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:20 pm

154.  Japanese baseball is brutal to watch. There are some potential MLB caliber starting pitchers and regular players, and a whole range of minor leaguers.

From the time children are old enough to pick up a bat, they learn how to sac bunt. If you watch the National High School Baseball Tournament, called Koshien, you'll see the best example of it. It's the equivalent of the NCAA tourney.

You'll see a guy get a leadoff single, and the next guy will bunt him over in the 1st inning. Then, you'll even sometimes see the next guy bunt him to third. I kid you not.

Matsui was a rarity. He could hit for power from day one, and they intentionally walked him every at bat in the championship game at Koshien. The crowd, and every fan across the country watching on tv, booed. His team ended up losing, so the decision payed off, and Matsui cried.

From then on he's continued to mash. But.....he can't play everyday CF in Yankee Stadium.

155 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:22 pm

155.  Mikeplugh, that sounds like deadball era baseball. Play for one run.

156 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:26 pm

156.  Chacon has to pitch as long as he can, no? 99 pitches, at least one more inning, and pray for two

157 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:27 pm

157.  It speaks to the Japanese sensibilities. Sacrifice yourself for the better of the group. It's a national way of life.

It works well when you consider the economy, health care, and the environment, but it makes for boring-ass baseball.

158 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:27 pm

158.  We need Chacon to go a full 8 and then turn it over to Small for the 9th.

159 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:28 pm

159.  Hmm. I guess Japanese players must all be great bunters, then.

Odd that he was such a power hitter in Japan. He's good, but not really Godzilla-like here.

I read once that the reason he became a lefty was because the other kids wouldn't play with him, even boys a lot older than he was. He was too good. So he hit left-handed, to to make it more fair. That's why he bats left but throws right.

160 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:30 pm

160.  Mo warming up...looks like Torre will bring him in yet again

161 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:31 pm

161.  Come on, Sheff! Bring A-Rod home. Spare Mo a night's work.

162 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:32 pm

162.  randym

Sounds like a tale, but if it's true, it is one hell of a story.

163 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:33 pm

163.  Rest a game, Sheff, will ya?

164 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:34 pm

164.  How un-Sheff like.

165 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:34 pm

165.  No rest for the Sheff, the Yanks gotta' eat.

166 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:35 pm

166.  No Chef hats this year either, that's odd.

167 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:35 pm

167.  Mats is due for a long ball...

168 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:40 pm

168.  Sutcliffe is a douche...

169 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:42 pm

169.  Posada can do no wrong these days.

170 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:42 pm

170.  Posada is golden tonight. Even his bad hits work out.

171 rbj   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:42 pm

171.  Nice time for an error.

172 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:45 pm

172.  Bernie looks lost tonight.

173 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:45 pm

173.  Has Chacon pitched anywhere besides Colorado? If not, can Sutcliffe please stop calling him a journeyman?

174 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:48 pm

174.  atc.

No, Chacon is a lifelong Rocky, not even eligible for Free Agency yet. Sutcliffe is a journeyman himself, however.

175 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:48 pm

175.  The story about Matsui hitting lefty so he could play on the playground is true. He was a better power hitter over here because they don't throw nasty breaking stuff as much and the stadiums are slightly smaller. Plus, he played his home games in a dome.

Chacon has only played in Colorado....including high school ball. Sutcliffe's an idiot.

176 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:49 pm

176.  I'll say this, baseball announcers are leaps and bounds better than the football idiots they claim are "announcers." As aggravatingly pointless and self-rightious as former players like Sutfliffe are, man would I listen to them any day over say, the ESPN sunday night football guys (don't know who it is besides Theisman, shudder)

177 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:50 pm

177.  Only TV could make any area around the Stadium look beautiful.

I want a shot of the pools of piss under the Macombs Bridge in Parking Lot 6.

178 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:50 pm

178.  That was Jeter's play, no?

179 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:51 pm

179.  M veeeeeeee P! No question!

180 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:51 pm

180.  Bernie would have caught that.

181 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:51 pm

181.  "Improved"

He is the best in the AL!

182 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:53 pm

182.  Damn 2 run Manny HR

183 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:53 pm

183.  I take it Manny went deep? Game over in Baltimore, for all intents and purposes.

184 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:54 pm

184.  Okay, so Chancon comes out to start the 9th, walks a guy or gives up a single, Torre promptly panics and brings in Mo...

185 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:54 pm

185.  That's 16 straight scoreless innings for Chacon....what a job!

186 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:55 pm

186.  Well, the Yanks just have to win tomorrow as well, simple as that.

187 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:56 pm

187.  A-Rod is MVP. I have said for weeks that there is an argument for Ortiz, but let's face it. A-Rod's glove has helped us as much as his bat over the last 10-15 games. He will win his first Gold Glove at 3B and hit .320 with 45-50 HRs and 130 or so RBI. Ortiz will sit on his fat ass between innings and wait to crush balls into the upper deck.

Let's see Flubber do it while playing Gold Glove hot corner.

188 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:56 pm

188.  I like that we got into their pen early and often.

189 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:57 pm

189.  Zack — the pressure is on the Sawks now, especially their pen. The Birds taxed ours, hopefully they'll do the same tonight. We're not exactly out of the woods tonight, either. We keep winning, no worries ;-)

190 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:57 pm

190.  Sut, Manny looks at every one of his Home Runs you stupid fuck!

191 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 6:58 pm

191.  Like that one.

192 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:00 pm

192.  That was the smartest thig Sut said all night.

193 rilkefan   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:02 pm

193.  JFTR, my dictionary thinks that "journey" comes from "jour" for "daily" not from "traveler", and means:

1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship in a trade or craft and is a qualified worker in another's employ.
2. An experienced and competent but undistinguished worker.

The second meaning is the one I'm familiar with.

194 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:03 pm

194.  The Sox pen is even worse than ours.

The only thing I worry about are their young guns, Hansen and Papelbon. They could be tough, if only because they're new.

195 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:04 pm

195.  Good point rilkefan, but that's not the American sports definition of the term. Sutcliffe is using the word in a sports context, and it means scrub who hasn't done spit and has moved between a half dozen teams over the course of a short time.

196 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:04 pm

196.  Why, Why Proctor? NOOOOOOO!

197 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:05 pm

197.  Strange move, by Torre.

WTG, Bubba.

198 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:05 pm

198.  Nice Bubba!!

199 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:05 pm

199.  Holy crap!

Lawton or Sierra would not have made that.

200 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:06 pm

200.  As the Steve Goldman article I linked on another thread argued, we have young guns too. They should be brought up.

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201 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:07 pm

201.  Hey, here's a totally off-topic thought. If the Yanks don't make the playoffs (God forbid), Sunday might be Bernie's last game at the Stadium as a Yank. Here's hoping the fans let him know how much we have loved and appreciated him...

202 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:07 pm

202.  The more one listens to Sut, it's obvious how little this mook prepares for a game...

203 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:08 pm

203.  If there's any more like Wang, bring 'em on. If they're more like Sean Henn, I'll take my chances with Proctor and Leiter.

204 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:09 pm

204.  You gotta be kidding me. Mo's coming in???

205 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:09 pm

205.  That's it. I'm switching over to Sterling...

206 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:10 pm

206.  Please don't get Mo up yet Joe

207 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:10 pm

207.  When you are throwing out Embree and F-Rod and Leiter, it doesn't hurt to see what you have in Smith, or Julianel, or Schmidt.

208 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:11 pm

208.  See Joe, why did you bring in Proctor??

209 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:11 pm

209.  Oh, save situation, time to automatically bring in Mo

210 rilkefan   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:11 pm

210.  mikeplugh: fair enough re "journeyman". I only speak standard, poetic, and scientific English, not sports or the various other kinds.

Apropos, I like "fielder's indifference".

211 Rich   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:11 pm

211.  Hey Proctor, show us you have some balls.

212 Zack   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:12 pm

212.  Thank f'ing God

213 randym77   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:12 pm

213.  Hallelujah!

214 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:14 pm

214.  Arroyo out, Meyers in. 1 on, 0 out in the 8th...

215 mikeplugh   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:14 pm

215.  Great. Nice effort. After an inexcusable 4 pitch walk he gets it done.

Mo never threw in earnest in the pen, so no harm no foul.

Chacon is my hero.

216 Max   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:18 pm

216.  Fantastic job by Chacon.

Sad to see Bernie calcifying before our very eyes, though. I hope he can give the YS crowd one more glimpse of greatness before the weekend is over.

217 Nick from Washington Heights   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:19 pm

217.  scoreboard watching time

218 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:20 pm

218.  Let's go Boids! Down 6-3, 1 on, 1 out, bottom 8.

219 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:21 pm

219.  Bernie will do exactly that, but in the playoffs my friend.

220 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:23 pm

220.  Yeah, Bernie is not done yet... He did look like hell tonight, but tomorrow he'll be locked in. If not, the next night. Bank on it.

221 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:24 pm

221.  Javy Lopez whiffs, 2 down...

222 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:27 pm

222.  F8, top o' the 9th...

223 Stormer Sports   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:37 pm

223.  The O's have no fight, game over.

224 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:38 pm

224.  Looks like it, huh?

225 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:40 pm

225.  Gomez, Gil and Castro due up in bottom 9. Needless to day, they need to get something started...

226 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:41 pm

226.  Timlin in, maybe they can get inside his head with something...

227 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:45 pm

227.  Still a big game that's close. I think we desperately need Cleveland to lose something so we have an alternative if the Sox beat us. It's 6-5 Cleveland in the 8th. KC needs a rally

228 atc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:46 pm

228.  Wright scares the hell out of me tomorrow

229 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:49 pm

229.  2 outs, Castro singles... hey, who knows ;-)

230 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:51 pm

230.  Boids fall.. let's go KC.

231 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:53 pm

231.  Power outage in KC... an omen for The Tribe?

232 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:54 pm

232.  Oh Christ, there's a partial blackout at the KC game. They're thinking the game might end up getting suspended.

233 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 7:58 pm

233.  the KC announcers wonder if they can see enough to play if they can't get it fixed. But they're leaning to the game probably being suspended. It's just one side of the park that has the lights out. What would happen? Would they have to finish the game on another day? I thought tht's the rule.

234 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:02 pm

234.  KC's announcers boring enough Now I got to listen to them talking about how they don't know about the power grid. Wait, a couple of lights came on but they need another 30 or so. There's like a guy up there screwing stuff in. They think they might get enough on in 15 minutes or so. Someone's screwing the lights in or something one by one. Maybe the Royals don't have enough money to pay their electric bill

235 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:03 pm

235.  Lights back on. Now they got to find the players.

236 Schteeve   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:07 pm

236.  Couple o' things, Chacon is gold. Not just the results, I love the way he goes about his business on the hill. He's money. I look forward to post season starts from this guy.

Also, people don't often think of the Yankees as scrappy and lovable, but you have to assign those adjectives to Crosby. I really get the sense he's trying to maximize his talent no matter how limited, to help the team.

And that baserunning artistry from Jeter is the kind of thing that will continue to perpetuate the legend of Derek Jeter. I have no idea how he did on his SATs but the guy has all kinds of baseball smarts, don't he?

237 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:08 pm

237.  HR KC! Game tied @ 6!

238 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:08 pm

238.  Home Run! KC ties the game at 6

239 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:09 pm

239.  they pulled the old electical problem trick to mess up the pitcher.

240 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:13 pm

240.  Works everytime, there oughta be a rule! ;-)

But we need The Tribe to win to keep Baastin 1.5 back in the Wild Card — which we are no longer concerned about, right ???

241 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:14 pm

241.  inning over. To the 9th. Lately Cleveland's been like Boston in late game heroics. We'll see.

242 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:16 pm

242.  I think before we worry about keeping Boston out we have to worry about getting in. In two nights Boston could be sailing ahead of us again. We need the WC option IMO much more than any stuff about who we may keep out

243 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:25 pm

243.  this is too annoying to listen to these other games. In boston i had to listen to Tejada make a stupid error against Boston because his mind is probably occuped with Raphy. Now KC makes 2 incredibly stupid error to let Cleveland take the lead. This is too aggravating

244 BklynBomber   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:26 pm

244.  No doubt about the WC option, that was semi sarcastic... anything can and probably will happen over the next 9 games. If we keep rolling, all is well. Regardless, every Tribe win from here on out keeps double pressure on Boston, knowing they have 3 left with us.

245 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:33 pm

245.  Yieah, I caught the simi-sarcasm the second time when I got to look up at your post a bit longer. KC sucks so bad. I'd hate to have to depend on them for help. I mean 2 outs, nobody on and two ultra-routine little grounders and they're playing Keystone cops out there. Bobling and unforced bad throws. Well, Iguess that's whey we all knew Cleveland had a ridiculously easy schedule with their games against KC.

246 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:42 pm

246.  Maybe by some miracle KC can score 2 off Wickman in the bottom of the 9th to win. I guess I'm posting to myself but at least it's keeeping me from falling asleep and banging my head into the keyboard listening to this droning monotone completely bored and boring KC announcer.

247 Max   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:44 pm

247.  >>Iguess that's whey we all knew Cleveland had a ridiculously easy schedule with their games against KC. <<

I'm not sure our games against Baltimore qualify as that much more difficult, especially with Roberts out, and the whole Palmeiro scandal...the team has played really poorly the last couple of months.

I'm still nervous about what seems to be the necessity of running the table against them, given the stakes...it's hard to beat any team 8 in a row.

KC has actually been playing the Indians pretty tough, but any question of why they've lost 100 games gets quickly answered by a ninth inning like tonight (and the one they had against us when they blew a 4 run 9th inning lead).

248 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:47 pm

248.  thankfully this miserable game is over. Cleveland, man are they hot

249 marc   ~  Sep 23, 2005 8:53 pm

249.  If Cleveland stays this hot than we have an old fashioned pre-WC, pre divisions, Pennant like race.

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