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Shake A Leg

The Yankees enter tonight’s game having lost consecutive games for the first time in August. Last night they were shut out for the first time since June 23 (though honorable mention goes to that 15-inning scoreless tie on August 7). This is what qualifies as a slump in a second-half that has seen the Yankees go a staggering 23-8 (.742).

Vallejo, California native CC Sabathia takes the mound to try to keep Yankees from playing like a normal team comprised of humans rather than ass-kicking baseball-playing robots. He has his own battle to fight as well, as he’s struggled at the Coliseum over the course of his career (0-4 with an 8.54 ERA in his last five starts there). CC has been flat awesome in his last two starts (15 2/3 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 HR, 4 BB, 19 K, 0.57 WHIP, 0.57 ERA, 2-0).

Facing CC will be Hackensack, NJ native Vin Mazzaro, who gave up six runs in 4 1/3 innings against the Yankees in the Bronx on July 23. Mazzaro started his major league career in June with four quality starts, but hasn’t had one since. He did pick up wins his last two times out by holding his opponents to three runs across five innings, but those opponents were the Royals and Orioles.

The Yankees run out their standard lineup tonight against the righty Mazzaro. That means Hideki Matsui is back in at DH having missing just one game after having his knee drained during Sunday’s contest. Last night the lineup behind Derek Jeter went 4-for-28 with a pair of walks against Brett Tomko and company. They’re almost guaranteed do better tonight.

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1 tocho   ~  Aug 18, 2009 8:16 pm

damn, 2 hours 'till game time...

Is it too early to start speaking about the playoffs? do you guys think the red sox will make it? can the rangers or TB hold them off? the yanks play a bunch of games v TB down the stretch, and 3 v texas. I guess I would like to face the rangers in the ALDS and them the dreaded Angels or White Sox in the ALCS. don't want the red sox with beckett and lester...

2 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Aug 18, 2009 8:23 pm

Yanks vs.

BOS: 4-8 (but swept last four)
TBR: 6-5
TEX: 4-2
LAA: 2-4
CWS: 1-3
DET: 5-1

Tigers seem like the best draw, but Verlander is scary good this year.

3 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 18, 2009 8:32 pm

[1][2] Sox 1-2, Tigers 1-2..scary indeed, but I still fear the Angels the most..nightmare scenario of Vlad swinging at an AJ silder in the dirt and golfing it 400ft...

I watched a rare National League game last night, Cardinals-Dodgers. Some random thoughts:

Dodger Stadium is awesome
Chris Carpenter is awesomer, shame about his injury history, when he's on he is as good as Doc Halladay or Beckett, maybe better.
Albert Pujols..nothing more to add, best of our generation..can he pass Bonds?
Vin Scully..he is in his 80s and called the game by himiself, and it was a joy to listen to! That cliche about a good announcer "talking directly to you"..that is exacly how it felt. 3 guys in the Yankee booth can't even come close to how (seemingly) effortlessly he calls such a great game.

4 tocho   ~  Aug 18, 2009 8:38 pm

[2] forgot about the tigers. verlander has looked great this year, not too impressed by Jackson (at least not against the yanks). the yanks have also hammered their bullpen.

I'm a bit scared about the white sox, too many good pitchers that can get hot in a short series.

if boston gets the WC, I think the yanks' position is worse having to face the tigers of the white sox, both teams have good pitching for a short series. if texas gets it, I think their chances increase significantly having to face the rangers and anybody of the angels or det/chi in a longer series.

I also like their chances in a long series v boston. not going to be good for my heartburn, by I like their chances

5 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 8:38 pm

it's a night like tonight i wish i was a more of a night person.
plus it is hot in my apart a ment, like jheri curl alert hot.

petey has some player update stuff:

-gritner has to keep the splint on another week
- we will get to experience mitre in the pen until his next start later this month
- marte might get called up friday

6 tocho   ~  Aug 18, 2009 8:43 pm

[3] vin scully is great.

my nightmare with the angels is not so much Vlad but the cast of gritty, speedy, no power players wreaking havoc on our pitchers and posada with their running games, slappy doubles and triples and the occasional back-breaking 3-run HR by the typical short, lanky reserve middle-infielder. I just hope the yanks can defeat their demons and sweep the angels.

7 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 18, 2009 8:55 pm


Do yourself a favor and pick up this book ...

Some of Smith's sentence structure is hard to follow, but Vin's life story is pretty fascinating.

8 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:26 pm

[6] I hate the Angels
[7] a LOT of one-star/negative comments about book at Amazon!

For me it's a tie between Vin Scully and Marv Albert for best play-by-play man of all time..good they work different sports! Marv is amazing though, B-ball, football, hockey, boxing..wonder if he ever did baseball?

9 NoamSane   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:37 pm

[5] "jheri curl alert hot"

That's the double-truth, Ruth!

10 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:41 pm

[2] wasn't it the '06 playoffs we were clamoring for the chance to face the Tigers. we got our wish on the last day of the season. i think the Royals swept them, or something crazy like that. we lost in 4 games.

i think it'd be best to face the Rangers in a short series and i hope hard that boston does NOT make the postseason. other than that, i don't care who we play - i just wanna get there...and win ELEVEN games!!!

normally, i'd like the late games, but this is a weird week and i'll prolly miss most of the game...

scum sox just took a 9-7 lead on the blow jays. dammit! man on 3rd, 1 out. we really must take these next 2 games from the A's. then 2 from boston...

11 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:45 pm

It's hot up here in the Great White North...real damn hot. The Yankees better show up tonight, or I'm gonna git ornery.

12 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:45 pm

10-7, courtesty of the professional hitter. ugly up w/ a man on 2nd... : /

13 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:50 pm


I gotta concur .... Smith's sentence structure seems disjointed .... but I haven't gotten frustrated enough to put the book down yet.

14 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:52 pm

[12] The Blue Jays just don't have much to offer.

15 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:57 pm

The Jays will tease us here, then fall short. Then Rogers Sports Net will go to their version of Sports Centre until 10:30. THEN RSN West will cut to the Yankees-Oakland already in progress.

This place is screwy sometimes.

16 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 9:58 pm

[14] 2 on, 2 out. papelbitch in for the 4-out save.

go jays (notice no caps or exclamation points. i'm not optimistic...)

17 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:00 pm

ooh, the M's threatened, but fell short to detroit and wasted a great start by King Felix...

18 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:01 pm

[10] similar thing with cleveland in 2007

[9] ya need to cool that shit out!
sounds like major thunderstorms coming through - so hopefully that cools things off a bit.

alright team, let's get back on the winning groove.

19 seamus   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:01 pm

haha. walks the #9 hitter.

20 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:02 pm

[16] Hey-hey-hey!!

21 seamus   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:02 pm

nice. 2 runs for toronto. 10-9.

22 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:03 pm

According to the RSN gun, Papelbon's velocity looks down. What does gameday say?

23 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:03 pm

Paps gives up 2. it's a 1-run game. more, please!!!

GO JAYS!!! : )

24 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:05 pm

Keep working him.

25 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:05 pm

*shocking news alert you will NOT believe*

Mike Hampton is on the DL. i know.

i guess the most shocking part is that it took this long. he's made 21 starts this season...

26 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:06 pm

[18] Mr. Senor Love Daddy!

Sox pen no sure thing anymore..Bard comes out after 2 singles, now Paps in danger..and still only the 8th..

27 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:07 pm

[25] I don't even remember what team he is playing for this year. Was he leading his team in HRs?

28 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:07 pm

schmoltz may be headed to the cards - might make sense
and for some reason i am enjoying pudge back to the rangers

29 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:08 pm

Dammit...just missed it. That's ok, there is always the ninth.

30 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:09 pm

[27] houston astros. el caballo hit his 20th tonight, so prolly not...

[28] yeah, he'll be the set up guy for franklin, though he wants to start and torre needs a pitcher. i think st. lou is a good fit for schmaltzie....

fuck, papsmear got out of it. watch him have an easy 9th... : /

31 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:10 pm

gar, grr, dammit ... let's get some runs early, eh?

32 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:11 pm

Captain just hits and hits and hits and hits and...

33 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:11 pm

[26] yes children, this is the cool-out corner.
i love mr. senor love daddy.

ah reggie giving alex a pep talk

34 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:11 pm

dammit, Texas - DON'T let the twins back in the game... : /

35 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:12 pm

About damn time someone was moving this inning ...

36 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:12 pm

Let A-Rod tell you the story of "Love and Hate"...

37 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:12 pm

[30] Sorry, that was sort of an inside joke--some of my grad buddies and I sued to joke about Hampton being a better hitter than pitcher when he was with Colorado. He hit seven HRs one season. A bunch came early in the season (IIRC), so there was some speculation that he would challenge some olde tyme pitcher-hitting records. Imagine if Hampton got a chance to hit in NYS. : )

38 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:12 pm

Goddammit, Mazzaro.


39 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:12 pm

geez what is with all these hbp.
damn he looks in pain

40 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:13 pm

What's going on? I don't get the Yankees feed until 10:30 (see [15]).

41 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:14 pm

[40] arod got plunked again in damn near the same spot on his elbow

damon on third - stole 2nd and the throw sailed into cf

42 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:15 pm

godfuckingdammit - twins tied rangers. shit sox have the leadoff guy on.

c'mon Mats!!!

43 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:15 pm

nice eye, Gojirra

44 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:15 pm

[41] Thanks.

45 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:15 pm

[37] Hampton such an Irabu.."We chose Colorado because of the good schools"..and the $120 million..

Alex been getting hit too often! Time for some payback..is Krazy Kyle available on waivers?

46 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:16 pm

So, checking gameday, I see a walk, a HBP, a single, a SB, an E, and...no score truck so far.

47 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:17 pm


48 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:18 pm

[46] no, perhaps the score truck doesn't realize what sport it is needed for

jorgie k'd with the bases loaded on an attempted check swing

49 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:18 pm

The bad ABs starting early tonight.

50 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:19 pm

And now the Jays-Sox game has ground to a halt, so I'll likely miss even more coverage of the 10:00 pm 9YAnkees-A's) game. Grrrr.

51 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:20 pm

i forgot what the score truck looks like. pinstriped...right?!

52 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:21 pm

CC's gonna get hyphey tonight

you heard it here first

53 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:22 pm

[52] hyphey?!?!

54 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:23 pm

[50]..US$100 for mlbTV... :)

55 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:24 pm

[52] I guess I'm not up on the lingo, because that literally the first time I've heard that term. So you are correct, I did hear it here first!!

56 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:24 pm
57 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:24 pm

Like yesterday, if the Yankees score early, this is problem a game in which the As will pack it up early. If they keep them in the game by having ABs like in the first inning, then the As have a chance.

58 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:24 pm

damn, Damn, DAMN ... LOVE that smile on Alex's face!

Thanks, Carsten Charles!!!

59 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:25 pm

[54] Yeah, yeah, I know. Again, I am too cheep and value my marriage too much to go down the MLB.tv path again.

60 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:25 pm

see what he did right there...that wasn't hyphy

61 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:25 pm

uh, well, i guess "Thanks, Carsten Charles" takes on another light after *that* swing ...


62 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:25 pm

Great work CC...brush a guy back and then give up a bomb. Way to motivate a last place team.

63 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:25 pm

[52] that was all kinds of hyphy

64 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:26 pm

Just got home. Didn't need to see that

65 joe   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:26 pm

Embarrassing home run

66 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:26 pm

Lead-off hit by Overbay. If I have to miss the Yankees, watching the Sox choke away a win would not be so bad.

67 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:27 pm

godfukingdamnit!!! : /

68 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:31 pm

why did the a's trade swisher - avoid arbitration?

69 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:33 pm

Who says second division in 2009?

70 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:34 pm

[69] ??

71 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:35 pm

nice hit melky

72 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:36 pm

[70] Flaherty said the A's were a second division team

73 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:36 pm

[69] well everyone knows the A's are such a second division club that when they go on road trips their Pullman cars don't even have Red Caps or gold plated spitoons...bush league I say.

74 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:36 pm

1st and 2nd 2 out in 9th against Papelbonbon

75 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:36 pm

Papelbon stinks it up but escapes again. Ah well. Now it's Yankees time.

76 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:36 pm

I'll take it.

77 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:37 pm

that's what you get for having a shitty field a's

78 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:37 pm

Nevermind ... Barajas popped out ... sox win.

79 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:38 pm

Yankee bats better awaken...need to keep that lead at 7.

80 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:38 pm

OK .... I gotta get up early tomorrow for meeting ... night folks.

81 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:38 pm

werent pretty, but I'll TAKE it!

82 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:38 pm

[72] Ah. Well, in the old days, the "secodn division" referred to teams who finished in the bottom half of the stands, which I pretty much describes the A's this year.

83 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:39 pm

What the fuck?!? The Jays game ended 40 minutes late, and instead of cutting to the scheduled Yankees game, I'm getting sports news. Goddammit.

84 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:40 pm

Another wasted opportunity

85 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:42 pm

[75] As long as the Yankees have a healthy lead on the Sox, I can deal with them beating the Blue Jays, if only because it brings us closer to the firing and ridding from baseball of JP Ricciardi

86 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:43 pm

[82] I know. I haven't heard anyone else use that term to describe a current team in my lifetime.

87 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:44 pm

[85] True. But living up here in Canada, his antics provide me with no end of cruel amusement.

88 51cq24   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:45 pm

that 0-1 pitch was so good

89 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:46 pm

the idiot in the strike out truck thought that was the 3rd out

90 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:47 pm

damn what is with these hrs off cc

91 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:47 pm

Great...looks like day 3 of the Yankees West Coast vacation.

92 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:47 pm

Now reduced to listening to Sterling-Waldman...just in time for CC to give up another bomb.

93 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:48 pm

texas grabs a lead...and gives it right back.

tonight can be a VERY poor night for baseball for us.

just win, yankees, just win...

94 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:48 pm


who the fuck is tommy everidge?!?!?


95 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:49 pm

[90] His HR/9 INN rate this season is exactly teh same as his career average, surprisingly.

96 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:49 pm

oh fer fuck's sake ...

97 51cq24   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:50 pm

i can't believe they're losing 2-1!

98 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:50 pm

mauer goes deep for the 2nd time. texas now down 8-6. i'd be sooo happy to keep the scum sox out of the postseason...

99 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:51 pm

[97] I know. CC is outpitching Mazzaro by a light year, but two gopher balls and no timely hitting by the Bombers...

100 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:55 pm

Finally...the game appears on the boob tube!

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101 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:56 pm

Matsui saw seven pitches, only one in the strike zone! Sadly he swung at, uh, several.

102 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:56 pm

Damn, Matsui made that close.

103 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:57 pm

So, other teams have left fielders who run around in circles!

104 seamus   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:57 pm


105 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:57 pm

The hell?

106 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:58 pm



107 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:58 pm

Robinson Cano: he once took a pitch just to see what it was like. He is...the most interesting man in the world.

108 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:58 pm

score truckin' good times! a win would really Really REALLY make me happy...

109 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:58 pm

After being on fire, Cano looks like he is back to swinging at everything.

110 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:59 pm

Posada is really a stupid baseball player.

111 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:59 pm

And Posada reveals another trick from his base running magic book.

112 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 10:59 pm

good grief wtf jorge - guess it was time for one of his base running blunders

113 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:00 pm

That man is the worst baserunner I've ever, ever seen

114 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:01 pm

If not for Posada still having a ++ bat, the combination of his poor throwing, catching and baserunning would make him a serious liability.

115 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:01 pm

[107] you mean the strike he took right down the middle the previous inning?

[95] interesting that this is basically his normal hr rate

116 JeremyM   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:03 pm

What the hell did Posada do now?!?

117 seamus   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:04 pm

people really like to complain.

118 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:04 pm

[116] tried to steal 3rd on a ball that didn't get that far away from the catcher

119 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:05 pm

[114] well thats one hell of an "if"

120 JeremyM   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:05 pm

[118] Thanks. I love Posada, but man, he is an idiot on the bases.

121 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:05 pm

It's really a privilege watching Johnny Damon and Scott Hairston play left field in teh same game, smooth as silk.

122 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:06 pm

nicely done there carsten

123 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:06 pm

[117] Which is more maddening: a backstop who swings a club but is stupid, or a really brilliant catcher who isn't good at hitting baseballs?

124 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:07 pm

[121] Excellent use of "teh".

125 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:07 pm

[114] His 29% CS rate is not to shabby, to be fair.

126 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:08 pm

[124] Grrrr. Always a sloppy typist.

127 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:08 pm

Nolan Ryan

128 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:08 pm

oh but kenny - po is NOT in scoring position at 2nd

129 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:10 pm

The A's arent so good at the baseball, are they?

130 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:10 pm

The most amazing thing about this game to me so far (and there are several amazing things) is that we have just one walk.

131 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:10 pm

holy shit, vinnie sure has thrown a boatload of pitches already. 75 for 9 outs!

132 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:11 pm

Geren should break his bench coach's jaw...ya know, to spark the team

133 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:12 pm

[123] Poor defense is probably more maddening, because errors and misplays seem to stand out so much. But you know me, I'll generally tolerate a lot of poor "D" so long as the player swings a big stick.

134 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:13 pm


135 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:13 pm

poor nomar is getting worn out tonight

136 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:13 pm


137 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:13 pm

[123] after watching a whole lot of Molina and latter-day Pudge last year, I gotta say I'll take the offense-first catcher

138 seamus   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:13 pm

this jeter kid is pretty good.

139 thelarmis   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:15 pm

jeter's amazing.

140 Just Fair   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:15 pm

Finish him..........

141 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:15 pm

[130] hey there's that walk off vinnie barbarino

142 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:15 pm

[138] How about our boy Joey Martinez against the Mets last night??

143 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:16 pm

not so good tex

144 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:16 pm

I said this before, but was that really a game anyone needs to see again? It loses quite a bit when you know how it ends.

145 Just Fair   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:16 pm


146 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:16 pm



147 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:17 pm

Well, at least it wasn't A-Rod this time...

148 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:17 pm

[141] Wow, I had to read that three times before I figured out what you were talking about. "Walk-off Barbarino??" I asked myself? "Is it some strange Gabe Kapler/Kaplan reference?"

149 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:18 pm

[144] I refuse to acknowledge Yankees Classics until they put the '98 Orioles brawl into circulation

150 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:19 pm

I'm hoping Bill James or Baseball Prospectus will step in and declare that the Yankees have won the game despite the score.

151 seamus   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:19 pm

ok. gotta call it a night. carry the team to victory please!!

152 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:21 pm

[148] :}

hey a hit that wasn't a hr - i'll accept that

153 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:21 pm

Wait. A drive into the corner. Johnny Damon retrieves it and throws.

Isn't that the definition of a double??

154 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:22 pm

Another game changing DP on a first pitch from a pitcher who probably would have walked the ball park if allowed. When is this team going to wake up? Apparently, they built up a big lead so they could give it right back by playing sloppy baseball.

155 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:22 pm

Ah, that's more like it. There's the Johnny Damon I know!

156 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:22 pm

Oh Hell.

157 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:23 pm

Wow! The Yankees offense is ... constipated.

I'm blaming Teixeira for now.

158 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:23 pm

And like yesterday, in the inning that the Yankees piss away a boat load of runs, their pitcher takes the following half inning off. Incredible.

159 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:24 pm

[154] I don't think anything can be classified as "game changing" in the 4th inning of a 2-2 ballgame

160 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:24 pm

yep mp we are witnesses to some high quality baseball here

161 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:25 pm

alright good that swisher made that play - let's get out of this now

162 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:26 pm

[159] Did you watch the Yankees ABs after the Arod DP yesterday. That was absolutely game changing.

163 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:26 pm

I don't like this walk, at all.

164 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:27 pm

I guess the IBB makes sense. But really, having your ace intentially walk a player with two outs?

165 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:27 pm

It really seems like the score should be 10-2 Yanks.

166 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:27 pm

[164] intentionally

167 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:27 pm


168 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:27 pm

[165] It should.

169 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:28 pm

All right Yankee bats. Wake the **** up.

170 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:28 pm

Interesting. I wonder why Alex didn't follow-up with the tag of Nomar. It seems like a completely safe play.

171 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:28 pm

seriously, can we make with THE PAIN now?!?!?!?

172 ms october   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:28 pm

that'll work
alright banter i expect that you will guide the team to victory as i punch out

173 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:29 pm

[159] It depends when you make the call. William's calling his shot right now, which is risky, but he's a daredevil. As you well know.

174 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:29 pm

[164] I don't like it, as I said.
With CC on the mound, it's not terrible, but it puts so much pressure on the pitcher to throw strikes.

175 Yankster   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:30 pm

How are we supposed to win if all the banterers punch out early? It's basically hopeless.

176 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:31 pm

[162] In retrospect it was, but only after the game had ended and that proved to be the Yankees last/best/only chance. As soon as it happened you couldn't really say "well theres the ballgame" because you simply just don't know whats in store for the rest of the game.

And if you're blaming A-Rod's 1-2-3 for the offensive malaise the rest of the game I just disagree with that completely

177 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:31 pm

[173] I am not sure how risky it is to suggest that squandering a bases loaded situation against a bad pitcher with an MVP at the plate qualifies as a game changer.

178 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:31 pm

"The Yankees have had some opportunities to blow this game open"


179 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:31 pm

[170] I may be wrong, but I think that if the runner stopped and, say, ran back to second base, the "continuation" play would end. Thus, if the runner from third crossed home before they could apply the tag to the runner going to 3B, the run would count. So A-Rod made teh right move--eith tag the guy quickly, or just make the throw to 1B.

180 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:32 pm

[179] Dammit...

So A-Rod made the right move–either tag the guy quickly, or just make the throw to 1B.

181 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:33 pm

[179] No. He's forced, so even if the third out is on a tag, the run doesn't count no matter when it scores.

But maybe Alex wasn't entirely sure about that himself, that would explain the throw.

182 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:34 pm

[177] because the Yankees have 14 outs left and it is more than somewhat possible that they can throw 10 runs up there in that timespan, thus making the AB not all that game changing. Not saying that will happen, but its certainly very possible.

183 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:34 pm

[177] I think a game-changer has to affect the end result. The change in that case would have to be changing "win" to "loss" so if the Yanks end up winning, it won't have been a game-changer.

184 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:34 pm

Joe Mauer is three for five with a HR and three RBI.

And he'll still finish behind Morneau in the MVP voting.

185 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:34 pm

[176] Teams like Oakland are always looking to pack it in. If Arod (or Tex) has a patient AB and the Yankees plate a few runs, they likely do just that. Instead, the As hung around, got a lead and then the Yankees went into hack-away mode. The game basically turned on that AB. Whether verified in hindsight or not, ABs in the 4th inning can be a turning point.

Meanwhile, the Yankees continue to ignore that the pitcher can't throw strikes and feel content to hack away at the first pitch. You'd think that after 14 innings, it would finally sink in.

186 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:34 pm

[181] But isn't he only forced if A-Rod tags the bag? The situation changes if he goes after the runner, no? Hmm. I'll have to look at the rules.

187 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:35 pm

I'm sorry, that was two HR for Mauer.

188 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:35 pm

Posada's really been annoying me lately. I mean at the plate; everything else is a given.

189 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:35 pm

[179] As long as Arod tags the runner before he touches 3rd, it would be a force. Of course, if Nomar retreated, Arod could have just ran to the 3rd.

190 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:37 pm

[183] Events can change the game without determining the outcome. Otherwise, only the last AB is a game changer.

191 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:37 pm

Of course.

192 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:37 pm

well, *that's* just FUCKING lovely.

thanks, CLETUS.

193 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:38 pm

[186] No, it's a force because the runner is forced to advanced to the next bag. That means even if he's out by tag, it's a force play for purposes of determining whether the run counts.

194 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:38 pm

[188] I like Jorgie Po..except for his baserunning..

These Oakland games are a bit dull..yesterday's put me to sleep..is the stadium THAT depressing that the team got infected?

195 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:39 pm

This game rests squarely on Sabathia's shoulders I think. The hitters are lost (again).

CC's exploits in his hometown ballpark are well-documented, though.

196 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:39 pm

[185] a 4th inning AB can certainly PROVE to be game changing, but in a game that is basically at a 50/50 chance to go either way right now (with an edge going to the Yankees because they're just better) you can't declare it as that just yet.

And I don't think any team is ever "just looking to pack it in" unless they have truly incompetent leadership. Hell even the Nats have had winning streaks.

197 Yankster   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:39 pm

[183] Just looked Mauer up. batting .383 with a seasonal OPS of a little over 1.1. If he was an outfielder or a 1st baseman, that wouldn't be bad. As a catcher, it's retarded. It's basically a 10th man since you can take out league average catcher from his stats and still get an above average outfielder out of the left overs. this guy going to be free agent any time soon? (I know he decided to take some kind of sweetheart deal to stay in the home town)

198 The Hawk   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:39 pm

[190] Well then every event is a game-changer.

199 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:43 pm

[197] And with the BBWAA bizarre infatuation with Justin Morneau, I'd say its at least even money that Morneau finishes ahead of Mauer in the MVP voting again this year

200 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:43 pm

[190, 198] I think what we're dealing with here, as our friend Michael Kay would say, is the "fallacy of the pre-determined outcome"

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201 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:43 pm

[196] We definitely disagree on your last point...bad teams are definitely prone to "losing interest" in the outcome when they fall behind. I think most players who have played on bad teams will testify to that.

202 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:44 pm

Is Jeter coming up soon?

203 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:45 pm

[198] To some degree, yes. However, every game has a handful of ABs that significantly alter a team's win probability. Arod and Tex' ABs are two examples.

204 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:45 pm

[195] The hitters definitely aren't "lost". Lots of hits, lots of base runners.
The problem has been the timing. (To put it mildly.)

205 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:46 pm

[189 et al] Yep, you guys are right. Rule 2.00 (definition of Force) and 4.09 (a) pretty clearly indicate that A-Rod could have taken as long as he wanted to tag the runner or the bag and the run would not have counted. I guess he *may* have been concerned about the small chance that the ball would become dislodged if he tried to tag the runner, so he felt more comfortable throwing to first. Or, more likely, it was just a reflex play.

206 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:46 pm

Now Cano leads off with a first pitch hack...have Girardi and Long been watching these ABs over the past two games? Or, do they not mind that the team has almost collectively abandoned the approach that has made them so successful? The Yankees have not been outplayed that past 2.5 games...they have simply not put forth a maximum effort.

207 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:47 pm

Maybe the Yankees should consider some sort of weird home-away platoon split: Swisher on the road and Hinske at NYS?

208 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:47 pm

I had a horrible mental image of the Swisher Special (somehow turning an easy standup double into a single and out

209 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:47 pm

[205] Thanks, couldn't figure out what section that would be in. I scoured "The Runner" section, nothing there...

210 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:48 pm

They had to discuss that one.

211 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:49 pm

From what I have seen, on defense (Suzuki + S. Hairston) = (Posada + Damon).

212 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:50 pm

How long has Steve Donohue been with the team? Is he here as long as Gene Monahan?

213 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:50 pm

I love watching the Little League World Series.

214 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:51 pm

This is not baseball as I understand the game.

215 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:51 pm

Its slapstick.

216 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:51 pm

I've never seen that before. Melky gets plunked and then sodomizes the catcher.

217 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:51 pm

[211] I think Suzuki is actually pretty good.

218 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:51 pm

[214] Winner

219 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:51 pm

[213] So much emotion, youthful exuberance, and true love of the game!

220 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:52 pm

[212] No one has been with the team longer than Gino. He should really write a book. I think Donahue joined the team in the early-to-mid 1980s.

221 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:52 pm

Posada is not amused.

222 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:52 pm

Exactly, Kenny. ("It would be even more fun if they'd score here.")

223 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:52 pm


224 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:53 pm

Hell yes.

And that was only about 18 inches from an inning-ending DP.

225 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:53 pm

Oh, and the Yankees scored.

226 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:53 pm

[202] Right on time!

227 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:54 pm

The stats probably don't back this up, but it seems like Jeter is at his best when everyone else is at their worst.

228 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:54 pm

[217] Tough game tonight, I guess.

229 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:54 pm

I repeat, Derek Jeter is 27 hits away from tying Lou Gehrig for the most hits ever for the New York Yankees baseball franchise.

230 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:54 pm

Scott Hairston is the anti-Jerry Hairston.

231 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:54 pm

Oh, the poor kid. So embarrassing. And with his family watching...

(See [219])

232 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:54 pm

That was a different kind of terrible.

233 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:55 pm

Wow, I'm really digging the oneupmanship between the LFs tonight!

234 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:55 pm

[216] Following on Gameday so...Huhh??

235 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:55 pm

[201] See I feel that not all bad teams are created equal. Like say the Nationals and the Mets, both are bad teams...but for completely different sets of reasons.

A team like the Mets, who were supposed to be good and aren't, are more apt to say "screw it" after giving up an early lead. They're already demoralized and pissed off as it is, they don't have it in them to put up much of a fight.

A team like Washington (or the A's) isn't supposed to ever win anything, so you're more likely to run into them playing you hard and making you earn it. They know that they're supposed to suck, so why not at least give winning a shot? They don't know any better.

236 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:56 pm

[234] Melky HBP, spun away from the plate with his hands up, Suzuki moves with him and they become entangled.
There was no actual sodomy. I repeat, there was no genuine sodomy.

237 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:57 pm

[234] He about covered it.

238 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:57 pm

Maybe Teix's DP fired up the Yankees and will help carry them to victory. Game changer? ; )

239 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:57 pm

That only scored one run?

240 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:58 pm

[236] Whewww..thanks. Was worried they would have to blackout the game on Gameday archive due to adult content!

But what do all the Little League jokes mean? Being on Gameday can be lonely...though still better than SuzySterling!

241 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:58 pm

[238] Oh how ironic that would be!

Where's wsporter this year, anyway?

242 monkeypants   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:59 pm

[239] I must confess, I'd completely lost track of how many outs, runners, runs, etc. The inning has been so bizarre.

243 RIYank   ~  Aug 18, 2009 11:59 pm

[240] The general level of proficiency in basics of the game has been astoundingly low today. By both sides, but more so by the A's. Dropping balls, running into outs, bizarre passed ball. It's like watching Little League.

244 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:00 am

Yeah, this is why you don't walk Teix. Casilla doesn't exactly have CC's control.

245 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:00 am


246 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:00 am

[240] Johnny Damon and Scott Hairston are putting on an exhibition of OF defense the likes of which are rarely seen...and that's just for starters.

247 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:00 am

What's this? The Yankees taking pitches against pitchers who refuse to throw strikes? About time!

248 thelarmis   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:01 am

[241] i think he burned with the toaster...

249 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:02 am

[242] As have I. I just assumed it was 5-2 until I saw the score.

250 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:02 am

Matsui is definitely rusty. He is pulling off so much, his neck will be sore tomorrow.

251 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:02 am

Oh fer god's sake. Casilla has not yet thrown the ball in the strike zone!

252 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:03 am

[243[[246] Thanks..perhaps a game to skip tonight then..highlight tv program is enough..

253 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:04 am

[250] TOTALLY!

254 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:04 am

Hairston apparently has Damon's throwing arm too.

255 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:04 am

Wait, I'm wrong -- according to Gameday, the third pitch to Matsui was in the zone (he swung and missed).

Oh, and that one might have been high, or maybe in the strike zone...

256 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:05 am

[253] The rust wore off! Seriously though, Matsui has looked a little off, but that should quickly change with more ABs.

257 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:05 am

[254] ha-ha!

258 thelarmis   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:05 am

K, Po - NO 1st pitch DP !!!

259 NickL   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:05 am

think everybody drank too much hyphy juice tonight....

260 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:05 am

Anyone see this? http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4408083
Jack Cust with the smackdown!

261 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:05 am

You guys were joking, but I'd completely lost track of the score. When Kenny just said 7-2, I was shocked.

262 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:06 am

[255] I'll take the two runs, but if both Matsui and Jorge had get the bat on their shoulders, he probably would have walked both.

263 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:06 am

well, *this* inning is over ...

264 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:06 am

This is another example of how early runs put a team like the As away. Now that the Yankees have scored, Geren is using the bad bullpen. Yesterday, however, he had the chance to use the good bullpen.

265 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:07 am

[262] Matsui for sure. Posada, yeah, probably.

266 thelarmis   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:07 am

i hope the long layoff doesn't affect CC...

267 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:08 am


268 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:08 am

I was going to make a joke, but what more can be said?

269 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:08 am

My mistake. I thought it was Little League. Apparently the kids are playing tag.

270 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:08 am

That was the only way such an inning could and should end.

271 thelarmis   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:09 am

pete abe can be funny sometimes:

UPDATE, 11:47 p.m.: Swish has now reached safely in 27 straight games. Meanwhile Wilson Betemit just drove through a Taco Bell in Charlotte with a AAA teammate and two not-so-hot community college girls who work as ushers at the park.

272 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:09 am

[262] In Matsui's case, does it really matter?

273 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:10 am

[266] Or the laughter...he might have tweaked a rib or something.

274 thelarmis   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:10 am

wha happened?!

275 thelarmis   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:12 am

nevermind. just saw...

i'm quite pleased with this lead. i have hours and hours of work to do a the studio. and i'm already exhausted. BIG gig tomorrow...

night guys. let's hold on and...WIN !!!

276 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:12 am

Mornin all. I just woke up on the couch. Me wife backed up the DVR a full inning for me and then went to bed. I'm glad I got to see that 6th inning.

277 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:13 am

[260] Bravo, Jack

278 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:14 am

[274] Cano squibs it in front of the plate, Suzuki picks it up, A-Rod is coming home and Suzuki is going to tag him but Alex pulls up short, Suzuki falls. Suzuki stands, throws to third, A-Rod spins, cuts back, twirls onto the infield grass...

Hard to do it justice.

279 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:14 am

[271] that's pretty got damned funny.

280 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:15 am

[274] I'm not sure words can adequately describe the quality of play. Instead, I suggest:


281 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:16 am

[271] Pete Abe would be lucky to drive home with those ushers...

282 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:17 am
283 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:18 am
284 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:18 am

Jesus. Bow down before Derek Jeter.

285 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:18 am

Damn. I was hoping to post "26"

286 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:18 am

[282] Well played!

287 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:19 am

Uh, I didn't mean that Jesus himself should bow down. It was just an expletive.

288 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:19 am

And someone else falls down.

289 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:19 am

[278] cue "Yakety Sax " (Benny Hill music)..you all know where to find it

290 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:20 am

[289] Right here


291 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:21 am

[289] see [282]. Great minds...?

292 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:22 am

[290] ya beat me to it..

293 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:26 am

Seriously.. is Bret Favruh without a doubt the biggerst snotrag in sports? Why do teams keep going after this guy??

Meanwhile, CC with the great strike to ball ratio..you can't spell "Championship Chalice" without two big C's!

294 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:26 am

It was hard to find, but Steve Donahue joined the Yankees in 1986. Gino has been the head athletic trainer since 1973.

295 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:26 am

Back-to-back complete games, maybe? Or does AJ's game not count as a CG?

296 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:28 am

p293] I don't much care about the endless NFL soap opera, but I imagine teams want Favre because he has been awfully good in his career (whatever one thinks of him as an individual).

297 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:29 am

[296] But he isn't good now.

298 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:30 am

[295] It counts.

299 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:30 am

[295] I'm pretty sure it does count

300 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:31 am

I hope Nomar plays 1B tomorrow too.

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301 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:32 am

[296] i'm no big NFL fan but my cousin (admittedly a Jets fan) says "Brett" has been highly over-rated his whole career..he did win a Supe though and that counts for something..love how his hunting down South makes him a good 'ol boy while Michael Vick..ah, won't go there even on the late game thread... :)

[295] Why not take out CC at 80 pitches, rest that arm up for October?

302 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:37 am

[301] Agree on Favre, although despite being overrated, he was pretty darn good.

This has been an easy effort for CC, so you might as well let him throw another inning. He only had 81 pitches entering the inning.

303 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:38 am

[301] I'm glad you don;t go there, because there is little moral (or legal) equivalence between hunting and dog fighting. Favre may have been overrated, in the same way that I think Ichiro is overrated (i.e., he was still awfully good). The real issue is raised at [297], why any serious team would go after him now after his skills looked so diminished with the Jets last season.

As for CC and the complete game--I was more curious, since CGs are so rare these days. Frankly, I'm not convinced that there having CC throw 80 pitches instead of 90 or 95 will make a jot of difference in October. In the short term, I'm just happy that Mo and the rest of the trusted BP get some rest before the next Sox series.

304 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:40 am

This game almost makes me forget that Gaudin is pitching tomorrow

305 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:41 am

[303] Shhhhhh.... don't jinx it for tamara night.

306 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:42 am

[303] I don't remember Favre's salad days in Green Bay so will defer..

As a committed pacifist who loves all living things, I shall merely say that the killing of innocent animals for sport, in any form, is abhorrent to me..you betcha! :)

CC..you are probably right about that difference in pitch counts, but Mo would not be in this game anyways ( and if he was at 7-2 that is a fireable offense!)

307 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:42 am

94 pitches...I'd let him finish the game (with a short leash). But then, I don't believe that "100" is a magic number.

308 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:42 am

Someone needs to get on base to get Derek up

309 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:42 am

[303] Adding a dozen pitches on to the end of the game is going to make very, very little difference, I agree. Much less wear than using a relief pitcher.

310 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:45 am

[307] Interesting to see what the Nationals do with Strasburg..knowing the Nationals I won't be surprised if they David Clyde him...

311 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:46 am

[306] Every hunter I have known--and I've know plenty--kill for sport but invariably consume what they kill. If you don't see the difference between that and breeding animals exclusively so that they can maim and kill each other--and to kill other animals in the training process--well, we'll have to agree to disagree.

312 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:46 am

Can someone link to an official definition of "complete game"?
I looked in the MLB rules section under "the official scorer" and there doesn't seem to be a definition.

313 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:47 am

With Gaudin going tomorrow, CC and AJ really came up big. Throw in the off day on Thursday and Girardi should be very quick on the trigger tomorrow.

314 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:48 am

Every hunter I have known–and I’ve know plenty–kill for sport but invariably consume what they kill.

You don't know anyone who hunts bear? Or you know someone who eats bear?

315 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:49 am

[309] On a more systemic level, that managers go to a reliever here instead of letting the starter finish the game (and Girardi is not unusual here) is bound up with the 12- and 13-pitcher staff nonsense.

And to use ANY relief pitcher the day before one of the two #5 starters goes? Tsk-tsk.

In any case, if this is the worst complaint that I have, things are happy tonight in Yankeeland.

316 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:50 am


317 NickL   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:50 am

strikes, Robertson, strikes.....

318 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:52 am


319 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:52 am

Dear David

Throw strikes, OR I WILL EAT YOUR FUCKING SOUL!!!!!!!




320 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:52 am

[315] Modern managers need a sit-down with Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan..

[311] Killing innocent animals with high powered weapons..let's agree to disagree (yet again! :)

321 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:52 am

Great, Hughes is up now.

How the hell is a major league pitcher incapable of throwing a strike when the batter has no intention of swinging?

322 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:53 am

Maybe his orders are to put 3 men on and then Mo can come in for the save...

naa, I'm just kidding.

323 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:53 am


324 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:53 am

[314] I don't know any big game hunters, though it is not uncommon, from what I understand, for hunters to eat bear. However, the meat does frequently carry trichinosis--though the number of websites dedicated to properly cooking bear suggests that hunters do eat them.

The guys who hunt other exotic animals (cats and the like) probably don't consume the kill very often. Like I said, I haven't known these guys (mostly deer and the like in my neck of the woods).

325 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:53 am

Well looky here, Robertson is about to create a SAVE SITUATION, so now Mo is warming. I think I'm getting a little bit sick.

326 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:53 am

[321] Because of you, Hughes is no longer up. It's your fault.

327 NickL   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:54 am

and now Mo is up.......Girardi clutches his security blanket tightly

328 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:54 am

Girardi is really a bad manager.

If Robertson can't finish this game, he should be demoted.

329 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:54 am

Oh, he's going to get another out, then walk another guy. This gives Mo a very easy S.

330 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:54 am

[325] you're joking, right? Mo is NOT warming up..right? RIGHT??

331 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:55 am



332 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:55 am

[330] Of course he is

333 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:57 am

Singleton "you know Joe Girardi is doing everything he can to keep Mariano Rivera out of this game".

...yeah, except for letting CC go out and mow down these bitches.

334 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:57 am

Typically, in order to eat an animal, that animal needs to be dead.

Fire Girardi.

335 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:57 am

[333] OR warm Phil Hughes ...

336 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:58 am

Dave, Two True Outcomes will be enough this inning.

337 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:58 am


338 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:58 am

[320] I refuse to use the term "innocent" when referring to an animal. "Helpless" or the like, maybe.

You are not bothered by the processing and slaughter of animals for your eating pleasure, because abbatoirs are better than rifles?

339 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:59 am

That Everidge person alleges to be 240 pounds

340 NickL   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:59 am

fucking Sterling burbling on about Robertson's strikouts--how many has he WALKED this year, John?

341 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 12:59 am

[338] well, *this* ought to go well ...

342 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:00 am

Well, that was fun

343 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:00 am

No problem. I have all the confidence in the world in Dave Robertson.

Tomorrow, Gaudin!

344 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:00 am

[338] You're assuming I eat meat, my north-of-the-border friend..really, am glad to debate this but shall we wait for the game to end??

345 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:00 am

BALLGAME over. YANKEES win. Theeeeeeeeeee Yankees WIN!

346 NickL   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:00 am

Robertson owes Mo a steak.....

347 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:01 am

Game over. Good night.
BTW, sorry about stirring up a silly debate about hunting etc.

348 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:01 am

[346] hysterical!

349 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:02 am

[337] Come to daddy!

350 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:03 am

[349] Aphex Twin??

351 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:04 am

[350] No - The Dillinger Escape Plan with Mike Patton ...

... covering Aphex Twin!


Okay, so just Aphex Twin - you win

352 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:05 am

[349] SWALLOW THIS!!!!!

353 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:07 am

[344] I only reacted to your statement that killing for sport was bad, which implicitly leaves open killing for eating (whether YOU choose to partake or not is not relevant for the purposes of the discussion). In any case, even if you find hunting abhorrent, there can simply be no moral equivalence between an action which is solely concerned with killing for entertainment (dog fighting) and killing for sport which is also widely combined with consumption (hunting, especially non-exotic animals). In my opinion, one cannot always blur such distinctions, even fine distinctions. There are more badder bads.

You eat no meat, even fish (in Japan?!?)--I'm impressed. You probably would approve of my philosophical view of animals.

354 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:09 am

[351] Excellent..havn't listen to him in several years but used to love his ambient stuff..the video for Come to Daddy is very scary!

355 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:10 am

I'll chip in and say just shooting an animal and killing it humanely and quickly is not the same as electrocuting them or slamming their head repeatedly into the cement, or getting them nutso and having them rip each other apart.

356 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:10 am

[354] I love it - a great video! You should track down that cover of that song, it's pretty impressive.

357 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:10 am

[354] I love it - a great video! You should track down that cover of that song, it's pretty impressive.

358 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:11 am

Magical double posting powers are mine. Dope.

359 Just Fair   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:12 am

Beats losing, : D

360 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:13 am

[353] Anyway, getting back to the initial reference to hunting, etc., which you brought up at [296]--that was a complete red herring. You asked why teams would be interested in Favre, invoking consternation that Favre (a hunter whose legal activity shared by millions of people in North America) would be viewed more positively than Vick (who was arrested for illegal activity). What the heck did Vick have to do with the conversation? What difference does it make to teams pursuing Favre? And, frankly, teams were lined up for Vick, who quickly signed a contract. So whatever sins these guys have committed (depending on one's perspective), they didn't seem to weigh heavily in the decision of teams to employ them. So why introduce Vick into the discussion?

361 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:14 am

[353] Your language gives away a lot..you make a distinction between "killing for entertaiment" and "kililng for sport". Therefore, you think "sports" has some sort of higher moral purpose than mere "entertainment"? Is this why Favre is a real "guy" and Ms. Palin a "tough gal" for hunting with high-powered fireamrs, while VIck is an immoral thug? I am not trying to be cute..I honestly 100% see NO difference in what they do/did..I find equally perplexing that people would enjoy such activities..

I actually occasinally DO eat meat (and yes, am aware of the hypocracy) but completely stay away from seafood..odd in Japan, yes..

362 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:21 am

[360] Legality and Morality are not the same thing. If 50million people legally hunt that does not make it any less immoral in my eyes..

Think I brought up Vick in passing in the next comment, anyways..and (I defer to others if they know more about this), I heard it was only through Tony Dungy's efforts that teams came calling for Vick..and not many from the sounds of it..guy served time in JAIL for his crime, you'd think he would get many offers in the NFL, a league that took Pacman Jones back repeatedly...

363 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:28 am

Getting back to the game, Girardi really did panic by starting to warm Mo. Yes, Robertson walked a couple of guys, but that's his deal, right? He doesn't give up tons of hits, he doesn't give up many HRS, he strikes out a ton. It's not surprising that he would give up a couple of runners. But you have to be able to trust him with a five run lead. Even if he gave up a couple of runs, Robertson (and really, most any reliever) will close out that game about 99% of the time. If the manager is going to warm Mo every time a reliever not named Hughes gives up some base runners with a five run lead, then they might as well only carry two relievers.

I wonder--and we'll never know--would Girardi have gotten Mo up if the save rule were different? Had Robertson walked another batter it would have been a save situation, even with a five run lead and two outs. If the save rule was awarded only if a pitcher entered with, say, the "tying run on base," would Girardi have refrained from going to his closer with the bases loaded, five run lead?

364 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:32 am

After today's action, CC has 14 wins and a 3.58 ERA, while Josh Beckett has a 3.38 ERA. There has been a lot of talk about Beckett being a CY Young candidate, while the general thought about CC has been that he has been a minor disappointment. It's funny how perception obscures reality.

365 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:33 am

[362] Legality and morality are not the same, I agree. But it's silly to express or imply surprise that people would not react the same way to a legal activity in which many participate, and an illegal activity that most seem to have a pretty strong visceral aversion to. YOU may find the two morally equivalent, but surely you recognize that you are in the vast minority and so you cannot truly be surprised that Favre's hunting is less bothersome to most than Vick's dog fighting.

366 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:35 am

[363] Yes! A five run lead and you get Mo up to throw? Can we be charitable and say that maybe Mo was just having a catch..? The save rule isn't going to go away anytime soon so we better get used to it...

367 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:41 am

[365] All the great prophets faced some sort of opposition, why would it be any different for me??

368 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:46 am

[361] You're reading too much into the diction. I used "sport" and "entertainment" for the rhetorical purposes of variatio. Switch sport to entertainment and my point still stands.

I don't know if Favre is a "real man" because he hunts, or Palin is a "tough gal." That's largely tangential here, I think. This said, I can't really take seriously that you see NO difference between hunting and dog fighting. You seem to think that hunters take pleasure in killing. Most that I have spoken to do not. They find the hunt itself exciting--the actual chase and pursuit, tracking, sitting in the weeds or a blind or a frozen lake for hours, etc.--and they find a certain satisfaction from capturing (killing) their prey with their own hands (gun). From what I have seen, they see it as a return to a different time, and the fulfillment is similar to that of someone who makes his own chair or fixes his own car ("anyone can buy a fish at the store, but I caught my own dinner"). Most hunters I know do not revel in the pain and suffering of their prey, and try to minimize it (within the context of hunting, of course). Finally, as I said, all of the hunters I know personally make a point of consuming what they kill, or giving away extra meat. Thus, the prey is not "wasted."

The pleasure derived from dog fighting (or rooster fighting, etc), on the other hand, is bound up entirely in the maiming and death of the animal. The meat is not consumed, and worse, it is common for trainers to purchase or "acquire" mixed-breed dogs whose job it is to be fed to the fighting dogs (a particularly cruel form of "sparring"). Fighting dogs are often abused specifically to make them more fierce; older dogs are used for "sparring." There is no attempt to minimize the suffering of the animals during the training or fighting.

The two are activities are fundamentally different in most cases.

369 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:47 am

[358] You're the awesome!

370 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 1:53 am

[368] I don't doubt that the hunters you know feel such emotions..Such emotions are just a real mystery to me, that's all. Also, I feel you overstate the "humane" factor involved in hunting..Blowing the head off of an animal with a high-powered fire-arm..that to me is very gruesome. OF COURSE dog-fighting rings are much, much more gruesome..but worthy of being in jail for 2 years?? Can you honeslty tell me you don't see ANY evidence of a double-standard here...??

You also forget that I drive much enjoyment from baiting you, Herr Doktor Professor! :) Forgive, it's a slow afternoon here and I am neither updating my jazz site nor talking music with thelarmis so...

371 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 2:03 am

[370] er.."derive" not "drive"...ok, on that note it's time for some jazz work...Yanks win the series tomorrow then finish off Boston for good on the weekend, tally-ho!

372 Just Fair   ~  Aug 19, 2009 3:28 am

FWIW. My 8 year old dog Mickey had his face nearly bitten off when he was only 6 months old. I was holding on to his collar as he was attacked and If I had a gun a the time I would shot the pit bull. OTOH, I hit a deer when driving my sisters's car when I was 16 and it still creeps me out to think about.
So anyway, I understand hunting animals even though I'd never do it. But people who breed dogs to kill each other I'll never understand.
PS. Word to the C.C. Nice win. : D

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