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Two fer Toozday

I was thinking about the two impressive starting pitchers being featured tonight in Oakland, but this being Oakland, up popped the image of the Tooz:

Good ol’, Oakland.

Let’s Go Yan-Kees!

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1 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 6, 2010 8:45 pm

Youkilis leaves BoSox game just now with either cramp or ankle/achilles issue.

Send Swish!

2 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 6, 2010 8:50 pm

Mauer (finally) hits his 4th homer of the year .... 6-5 Twins 7th inning over Jays.

3 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:00 pm

[1] With Youkilis (a tribesman representative) now out today with some sort of injury, and batting below 300 for the year; then absolutely Swish should get the nod. Begrudgingly, I thought Youk deserved it more, but not anymore. Vote early and often for Swish.

Also, who are deez BoSox deez dayz? A very sketchy lineup of unknowns with a sprinkling of our old demons. Scutaro, Papi, Drew, Beltre and Youk (now out of the game) are the only regulars, with a guy named Doubront pitching. The Rays have got to put them away (right now it's 2-1, in the top of the 6th).

4 Sliced Bread   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:03 pm

5am wakeup call, but fug it - putting on a small pot of coffee, and a plate of something sweet to get ready and awake for the Big Fella's game. I'll catch up on sleep during the AllStar break.

5 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:26 pm

[4] These late games are killing me as well, The mornings are hard to face, but so much better when the Yankees win. Having an iced coffee at the moment.

It was actually 100* here today in lower Westchester. I don't remember that ever happening since moving here in 2001. The prospect of 8 more weeks of potentially this kind of heat is daunting. The Yankees are fortunate to be on the road.

Also, I read in LoHud just now that Mo is passing on the ASG. He is quoted that he has been pitching hurt(!) and needs the time off. Now what...

6 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:38 pm

[5] Right knee, left side, is the report. He's available for one-inning stints, but wants to use the break to rest. Now we know why Girardi has been so careful with him (beyond the "he's 40" thing).

7 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:39 pm

It must be the coffee as to why I am posting so much. But, why is Cano participating in the Home Run Derby next week? It can't do him any good, and can only mess up his sweet swinging year. Maybe I'm wrong to think this, but is he a HR hitter? He probably wants the "complete All Star experience" in his breakout year, but the HR Derby is a bad idea. Arod is quoted as saying he encouraged Cano to do it. Arod's sentiment can be taken in a myriad of ways.

Girardi and Long do not want Cano participating.

What do you think?

8 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:43 pm

Big Ugly is in the lead. We need to get to voting.


9 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:46 pm

[6] Is he going to pitch in the games prior to the ASG? Or do we get a terrifying look into the future over the next week?

10 Sliced Bread   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:46 pm

[7] not good. No good can come of it. It'll only mess up his swing, or get him hurt.

11 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:50 pm

[10] Ditto

12 Sliced Bread   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:51 pm

[9] they haven't shut him down. I think the plan is to baby the knee for now. We can remain in denial about the future until it gets here.

13 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 6, 2010 9:56 pm

[12] Good. Denial works.

14 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:00 pm

[12] There has to be some 17 year old in the Dominican, or Panama, or Colombia, or Oklahoma, or wherever with the same body type, same hand shape, with the potential for the same mental make-up upon experience to groom for the future. A big bonus to the scout who finds him.

Or maybe that person can never exist again...

It will be another kenboyer moment for me when the day of what we cannot discuss comes.

15 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:16 pm

22 pitch 1st inning.

16 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:19 pm

LeBron is getting an entire hour on ESPN on Thursday night to announce his decision.

I say he's going to announce he is gay.

17 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:23 pm

[16] I'm guessing Scientology.

18 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:27 pm

Jorgie, this is getting ridiculous.

19 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:30 pm

Six All-Star players have committed to participate in the 2010 State Farm Home Run Derby, Major League Baseball announced Tuesday.

Representing the American League are the Red Sox's David Ortiz, the Tigers' Miguel Cabrera, the Yankees' Robinson Cano and the Jays' Vernon Wells.

Shit. I'd rather Robbie take the time off.

20 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:32 pm

Sox rally in the 9th but fall to TB 3-2.

21 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:35 pm

Fuck, nooooooooo!!!

No derby for Robbie!!!


22 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:47 pm

[16] Another reason why he should play in NY!

23 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:49 pm

Lil' CC works a walk!

24 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:52 pm

[19], [21] see [7]

25 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:57 pm

oh no. tex okay?

26 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:57 pm

Tex just got plunked HARD! In the back (like the kidney). Not good.

27 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 10:59 pm

Come on Arod, make this easy!

28 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:00 pm


salami time!!!

is that #20 or 21?!

29 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:00 pm


30 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:00 pm

ARod makes a boom boom!

31 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:00 pm

thats what we call a no doubter


32 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:01 pm

run over the mound!!!

33 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:01 pm

[30] : )

34 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:03 pm

#596. Bronx Banter pool on #600?

35 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:03 pm

[32] There are a lot of women in Oakland who would want Arod all over their mound!

36 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:05 pm


uhhhh ... wow! :-)

But he's not clutch with anyone in scoring position! :-P

37 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:06 pm

[3] i hate that the ugly crybaby is a tribe representative. i'll take david lee roth instead! ; )

for the first time, i'm getting bits and pieces of the game on the radio in my kitchen. it's getting really static-y and ruining my dinner. i might have to switch off soon, but it's been nice being in the know for a change...

38 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:06 pm

Johnny Damon GW 2-run homer for Tigers in 11th inning just now.

39 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:08 pm

[7] i don't want cano in the hr derby. too bad our collective vote doesn't count there...

40 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:09 pm

[38] nice. he should have 2,501 hits now!

41 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:09 pm

[37] Maybe he was adopted?

42 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:09 pm

[38] btw, i ordered the dvd last night. i couldn't resist your link!

43 monkeypants   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:20 pm

I honestly don't understand the attraction of the HR derby, for either the players or fans. But the again, I haven't cared about the all star game immure thaa decade, except that I don't want any players on my team to get hurt. Send Youk!!

44 monkeypants   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:23 pm

In other news, Miranda is back from the MiL DL. He might make a decent addition to the depleted bench, especially if it means that Chan Ho Park gets released to make room.

45 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:24 pm

[43] You might be on to something. Youk can only go to the ASG if he participates in the Home Run Derby. How can we get that to happen?

46 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:24 pm

Lil' CC could not leg out a grounder to SS.

47 monkeypants   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:26 pm

So i botched and moaned about moving gardner up in the lineup, and since he moved to the leadoff spot he's looked pretty bad. Yeah, I know, small samples and all...

48 monkeypants   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:27 pm

47) that would be, of course bitched and moaned.

49 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:33 pm

i assume tex is okay from the hbp then?!

50 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:34 pm

Arod is not moving well to his left in the field. And with Jeter's range, the left side is particularly vulnerable these days.

51 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:34 pm

[43] Yeah, I used to love the ASG as a kid. Getting to see NL players and stadiums was unusual and exciting. (I only watched a handful of Mets games on WOR back then) Now, I don't think I could make it through the introductions..is it age, interleague play or cable tv that ruined it?

52 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:36 pm

[49] Yeah...he must be playing angry.

53 Just Fair   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:40 pm

I love the ASG and the HR derby. However, I was NOT happy to hear about Robbie. Talk about paranoia. Abreu was ruined for at least half a season a few years ago after he took part. shuddering........

54 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:40 pm

CC !!!

55 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:41 pm

Tension time. CC stressing in front of his homies from the East Bay. 3&2 two outs, bases loaded...and CC GETS THE STRIKE THREE CALL!

56 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:43 pm

[53] yeah, the boBBy example is definitely the poster for the hr derby 2nd half fade. i'm a BIG boBBy fan. that sucked. robbie kinda sorta gave himself an out, saying there's still 5 days left. hopefully he'll feel some pinstriped pressure and graciously bow out...

[51] i hear ya. but i still find myself watching the entire thing. next week's gonna be tough for me though and i'll be teaching a lot monday/tuesday, so i'll prolly miss most of it. oh well...

i'll still never forget fred lynn's grand slam off atlee hammacker! it was either '83 or '84. i guess i can forget the year! hey, i was a kid... shit, who could forget vlad's bat knocking lasorda down in the 3rd base box?! i'm *still* laughing! that was either '03 or '01...

57 monkeypants   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:45 pm

51) those are a few reasons. I could add a few more, most of which involve Bud Selig in one way or another. The clincher is that the game now counts. I for one am truly bothered by the notion that the game influences postseason home field advantage, and I will never watch again, in protest, until that condition is removed.

58 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:46 pm

The center field camera at the Oakland stadium is very skewed. On TV, pitches on the third base side of the plate look ouside the strike zone, pitches on the first base side look like strikes but are called balls. I noticed that last night as well.

59 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:46 pm


60 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:47 pm

[57] i do very much hate the fact that this game determines home field advantage for the serious. i'm vehemently against that.

61 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:47 pm

yeah... I think he's back

62 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:47 pm

[57] I don't get that protest. It was essentially random before (alternating leagues independent of team performance). This is no worse. If anything it's better because at least *some* members of the pennant winners get a chance to influence the result.

63 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:49 pm

it is HIGH, it is FAR, it is....caught.

damn you, sterling.

64 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:53 pm

[56] And how can we forget the excitement of the tie ASG?

It used to mean more, when the players stayed their careers with mostly the same team, and the players hated each other. It's hard for milliionaires to hate each other. Nowadays, the ASG is like a clambake,

65 thelarmis   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:54 pm

[64] ah, i tried to! ; )

66 monkeypants   ~  Jul 6, 2010 11:55 pm

62) you don't get the protest or you don't get the reason for the protest? The reason is simple...the all star game is an exhibition. It boggles the mind that than an exhibition game would determine anything. Moreover, the rule was made not to make the WS more fair, but to increase interest in the ASG and to prevent the managers from treating it like....an exhibition game. It was a knee jerk to a fluky situation, the tie game when the teams ran out of players, which i never saw as a problem to begin with. After all, other exhibition games, like spring games, end in ties without controversy.

I would far, far rather have the advantage determined arbitrarily, like it used to be with a rotation (I think that arbitrary is more accurate than random). I disagree with the current rule, I disagree with the logic behind it, and i disagree with the reaction to the historical incident that encouraged the rule to begin with.

67 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:00 am

[66] I just can't get upset about it. Home field in the World Series was arbitrary and remains arbitrary, does it really matter how it is arbitrarily determined? I agree with your opinion of the motivation behind the rule, but I have no issue with the rule. Home field for one-game playoffs is determined by a coin-flip. Is that better? Why not let the players play for it if there's a game, exhibition or otherwise, that allows them to do that. I really don't have a problem with it at all and still don't understand why anyone does. What's the harm? What's the worst-case scenario that could result?

68 monkeypants   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:01 am

66) i would add, if the issue were really about some fairer mechanism for determining home field advantage in the WS, now that we have the annual excitement that is inter league play, surely a better way can be found: head to head record,, or inter league record, or even the overall inter league record AL v. NL. But to hang that on an exhibition game?

And, if they want to avoid the dreaded tie in an exhibition game surely a rule could be found for that. To protect the players, I would disallow the game to go past 10 or 11 innings,and instead institute a series of tie breakers.

69 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:03 am

[68] Again, I agree that there are better ways of doing it, but they didn't downgrade from one of them to get to this rule.

70 monkeypants   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:08 am

67) the worst scenario is possibly what has happened, that one league always gets the home field advantage because of the potentially fluky outcome of a single all star game.

As for which system is worse, in my mind the arbitrary alternation of years is far superior. I would rather be subject to a fixed, predictable rule than to the outcome of an exhibition game that is not precisely fixed or predictable but also not precisely random, either. In other words, I would prefer to be subject t o no human agent than to be subject to a myriad of bizarre human agents, fan voters and all star managers, etc, that have very little to do with my team directly.

And as I mention, there are other ways to determine the home field advantage for the WS that would be fairer, or at least employ mechanisms more directly relevant to the teams involved and real actual ball games.

71 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:10 am

ah, not the leadoff walk...

72 monkeypants   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:10 am

69) i guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because i think that the current system is the worst by far of all those we have discussed, including yearly rotation and coin flips. But then I tend to be in the minority on these issues.

73 monkeypants   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:11 am

I don't think CC will come out for the eighth.

74 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:13 am

[72] The moral minority.

75 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:15 am

Wow, both Arod and Tex have make some great plays this evening (even with Arod's left side liability).

76 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:15 am

[73] hmmm. well, maybe with that dp, he just might! 101 after 7. then again, it's a 5 run lead. joba's pitched the last 2 days, iirc. maybe d-rob & marte. i just hope we don't see pepto. prolly be mosely for 2...

77 monkeypants   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:18 am

76) yeah, the DP might change things. Still, I bet with the big lead girardi goes with someone else. A few more runs here would make everyone breath easier.

78 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:22 am

[72] I agree with ya. My biggest issue is all the substitutions in the game, and pitchers only going 1 or 2 innings. This idea that everyone has to play is silly. When I was a kid, the All-Star game was competative, and played like any important regular season game.

But I shouldn't be botching and moaning so much.

79 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:29 am

i really don't like cereal crisp. not sure we need to push the very large man. someone's gotta be able to finish this thing up for us...

80 monkeypants   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:31 am

Girardi really must not trust his BP to push CC to around 120 pitches in a game like this. I,m not complaining (or botching), mind you...I,m more of the Nolan Ryan persuasion. But I am a bit surprised.

81 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:31 am

whoa - the rox scored NINE runs in the 9th to beat the cards!!!

holy crap. i gotta see highlights of that...

82 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:32 am

[80] hopefully he'll get the double digit strikeout right here, then get pulled...

83 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:32 am

...and there's the 10th K!!!

now, get him outta there, joe!

84 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:34 am

Vallejo representing for CC with a big ovation as he comes out of the game. IMO, about two batters late, but the hand was nice in an opposing ballpark.

85 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:35 am

ah, that's better.

4 outs, kid. nice 'n tidy.

86 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:36 am

[84] nice. thanks for sharing that. yeah, you, me & mp all think he shoulda been done a bit earlier. but he's a horse and was obviously still kinda strong, so hopefully all will be fine...

87 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:36 am

Anyone ever been to the Colliseum in Oakland? Is it really the worst in the league?

88 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:36 am

three swingin' k's in a row.

dig it.

89 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:37 am

[87] i've never been. i went to pac bell park and it was gorgeous. i have a buddy in the bay area. he swears oakland is by far the worst stadium...and has the worst fans. (sorry, ken!)

90 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:41 am

I've been to a few games. Worse than Shea, worse than the Kingdome, worse than? The last of the Multi-Purpose stadiums. You have to turn your head to look at the plate. Huge foul grounds. Empty seats. Mount Davis in the outfield. Used to be a dangerous neighborhood (although we know about that). Easy to get to, as BART goes right there.

91 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:45 am

Let's get this over with, bed by 1 would be nice.

92 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:49 am

Wasn't Cust a major homerun hitter? What happened to him?

93 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:49 am

[91] i'll be up for a few more hours. i hope to be out of bed (tomorrow) at 1...pm! : )

94 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:53 am

very very nice!

i should be home from work tomorrow nite, in time to catch the last inning or two...

95 monkeypants   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:54 am

92) too many ks. That and he's already 31. He's a classic Billy Beane pickup. The A's got his peak seasons, now he's just an aging, high strike out, former slugger.

96 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:56 am

[95] Thanks.

97 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:57 am

[93] End of game means only one thing...jazz chat time!

Check this out thelarmis: http://metropolis.co.jp/arts/agenda/jazz-art-sengawa-2010/

98 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 7, 2010 12:57 am

Damn, that was just pleasant.

99 thelarmis   ~  Jul 7, 2010 1:02 am

[97] nice. zorn! i'm actually hopping offline here in a minute...

[98] your best post yet! ; )

2 games up on the rays.

3.5 on you know who. 4 in the AILC.

+103 run diff.

cc doesn't struggle in his hometown!

100 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 7, 2010 1:05 am

[99] There are few things I enjoy more than a low stress game sprinkled liberally with some awesome.

[16] That was wrong, but funny.

As to that mini-debate wrt the ASG, I have to admit that I'm with Cliff on this one.

It doesn't upset me at all.

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101 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 7, 2010 1:06 am

Oh, btw, meant to mention that pitch fx says the CC 3rd strike was, indeed, a strike.

102 rbj   ~  Jul 7, 2010 9:08 am

Woo hoo, stayed up late enough to see both A-bombs. Nice to see they held up.

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