This game is supposed to be "big", but that's not the vibe I have been getting from this team. For the first time since it was instituted, I get the distinct impression that the Yankees aren't particularly interested in winning the division. I hope that's not a sign of things to come post-George.
Evening. How often do you see your OF batting 7-8-9?
And just WHEN is Price a FA?
After this year, Cashman will break the bank to get an Ace.
Aside from Cliff Lee, who's on the market this winter?
Before the game, Girardi said Swisher, who is going for an MRI tomorrow, would be unavailable. Now, in what seems like a panic move, he is pinch hitting. Had Girardi employed some game strategy in this inning, such a move would not be necessary.
[64] It was actually a great idea by Posada. Unfortunately, he slowed up going into his slide as he covered his head for some reason. Had he gone into the base without that delay, he would have been safe.
[73] Speaking of which, this is a great piece written by Jonah Keri about what Nolan Ryan and the Rangers are doing with their pitchers and their training.
If Rivera wasn't foolishly used for two innings on Friday, you could have CC get Crawford and then go to Mo for 1 2/3. Now, you're probably stuck with Robertson facing the heart of the order.
Does anyone else remember a game against Tampa a few years ago that went into extras and got really boring so Joe Torre just brought in Karstens to lose it?
[137] It's just that it seems that Girardi all of a sudden discovered he was there in the pen, and decided that he wanted to make up for lost time and use him frequently.
[136] I do remember that, Karstens came in and somehow survived an inning- I believe there was a deep fly with the bases loaded? Then he blew it the next inning as I recall without recording an out.
[143] Eh, I can't hold being Chad Gaudin against Chad Gaudin.
He has a place on a team ... mop up man.
The fact that we've seen him 3 of the last 4 games during a playoff race against potential playoff opponents ... I hold all of my venom solely against Joe Girardi.
Doesn't matter that he got out of it. Having Gaudin pitch that inning with no back up was inexcusable, and would not have been tolerated if the Boss was still around.
It appears Mitre is coming in. I will not watch. Why should I?
I can't believe it, but I am actually saying, "our manager obviously has no interest in winning this game."
How on God's earth Girardi does not understand the investment of capital that exists in this game by virtue of throwing your only dependable starter and getting eight awesome innings out of him is beyond me.
I watched every drop of madness of post-Jeff Weaver insertion Torre, with many moves that could only be explained by a manager being drunk or dead.
These last two innings still - even in light of the above - may stand out as the most insane moves I have ever seen a Yankee manager make.
Girardi, you sick twisted bastard.
I don't care who was at this game. If an intern was the only guy available, he should have been sent into the dugout to fire Girardi the moment Gaudin's name was announced.
I have asked for managerial suggestions in a challenging manner before - now I ask for them as a beseeching question. Who? Who would we have? Plausible candidates only, please.
Our manager has either lost his mind, or this is the equivalent of Manny striking out on three pitches with the bat on his shoulder.
This game was a genuine firing offense. It was a thrown game pure and simple. Adding insult to injury, literally, he also used injured players in a game he had no intention of trying to win.
This is how the Mets have been run over the last four years.
I wasn't upset over the weekend...okay, a little. And losing 1-0 in a great pitchers duel is nothing to be too upset about either. But Girardi really hasn't distinguished himself lately. And so this doesn't feel good at all. And if the Sox win later tonight that'll cap a shitty day.
If George were alive, he'd never be allowed in a Yankee dugout again. Maybe - maybe - he gets a plane ticket home. Or maybe just kick his ass out on the street.
George is not alive, so they should rip the GMS off his jersey and send him the hell out of our universe. That was gross incompetence. It was criminal.
I don't think I'm going to waste another second on this season. Which is good for me. So thanks, Insane Joe #2.
Alex, you are a marvel. How can you be calm after that. I turned it off rather than watch Mitre, but decided to yell anyway, and then realizing mid-yell how angry I was, proceeded to almost have a heart attack.
I really believe what Mattpat said may be the only explanation.
Taking spray paint to the mural of the Boss would have been a tame attempt to get fired.
This is George Costanza dragging the World Championship trophy across the parking lot.
God awful, once again. What is Girardi thinking with Gaudin and Mitre? Why is that truck Posada trying to steal second? What is the point of Gardner trying to steal third with two outs?
Again there was no clutch hitting. The yanks are hoping to back into the playoffs as the wild card in the AL. Sad. Again the emperor shows that he has no clothes.
I must continue to analogize as my brain strives to comprehend what just happened.
I think I have it:
Having watched Gaudin somehow, miraculously only leave the bases loaded, Girardi was like a man not satisfied with the first pull in a game of Russian Roulette.
The Gaudin result simply would not do.
Clearly, he had Albaladejo, Javy, and Edwar Ramirez queued up in the other chambers. And then Joba, if the satisfaction of having a bullet lodged in his brain had not been attained.
[221] Either he really wants to be a Cub, or its another one of his "we've got to TRICK the other manager" moves. I'm sure Joe Maddon didn't expect that Girardi would bring in his two worst pitchers with the division on the line, so its a moral victory, really.
Can anyone paraphrase the individual sentences for those who can't get the postgame?
Not the overall meaning, as I know that's gobbledegook, but the sentences, as they were delivered. Unless he stopped speaking English, his head rotated in a complete 360, and he started speaking in tongues. Which seems entirely plausible.
[224] He is, isn't he? Seems that he isn't angry at himself, though.
[226] Perhaps he doesn't see it as a big deal? Maybe there isn't anyone there to take over? Perhaps the defending world championship manager has a bit of a longer leash? I dunno.
At least Joba and Robertson are rested!!! This man is obsessed with resting people to a ridiculous degree. I understand guys need to be rested, but it's seemingly his primary focus.
[227] I think we are all overlooking the obvious. Girardi isn't very bright and should be managing a baseball team. I don't think there needs to be any other reason but that.
I don't know what big a deal it is if Maddon knows that Chamberlain and Robertson are or aren't available. It's not like managing isn't fluid, or anything. I mean he can look out and see who's out there warming up in the Yankees' pen.
I also don't get why no one asked him about bunting 2-0 with Granderson against a righty, so Curtis and Jeter could make outs...the same mistake he made on Friday night.
It was the failure to understand the concept of "investment of finite capital" that made me so desperate to see Torre jettisoned.
Girardi has failed in this regard miserably over the last weeks.
I have an out of the country wedding in early October and then a conference all the way across the US the next weekend. I've been trying to come to grips with the inconvenience that could pose. I'm coming to grips with it.
[229] Basically saying that the guys he would normally go to in that situation were unavailable, and that he discussed Gardy's attempt to steal 3b with him. Didn't go into details.
[236] THAT enrages me. Its like when he started lying about A-Rod's return from the DL last year. Who the fuck cares if the other manager knows who you have?
[235] I think he was reading from the book; hence Granderson's bunt attempt, and not going to Mo with a tie game on the road, and not going to his trusted relief aces without a lead...
Girardi said "the guys you would expect" were not available. He wouldn't say what was wrong with them. Just overworked? Resting them up for postseason? Secret injuries?
Girardi has been like this since he was first hired as manager. Remember, he wouldn't even say which pitchers were available? Thought that would give the other manager an advantage.
YES talking heads seemed to think there might be injuries involved, and implied they would be investigating.
[242] He childishly wouldn't say. In fact, he wouldn't even say by name who was unavailable. Of course, "I over used bullpen in TX so had to give away a game in Tampa" IS NOT a valid excuse. It is an admission of mismanagement.
[240] Thanks for the answer. I imagine those watching are left as unsatisfied as those of us are who can't get the postgame. I'd really like the answer to [242].
If those two are not available, isn't there some other option? Like if you know those two aren't available then you know you can't use an actually viable reliever like Logan for only one batter?
Now Eiland is advancing the party line with the same smugness. Someone needs to let Girardi and his coaches now that if you lose too many battles, you also lose the war.
Kim went to Eiland to pursue the mystery of the unavailable bullpen.
He wasn't that much more forthcoming, but he hinted that the pen was overworked and they were saving it for tomorrow. They figured young Nova would need backup more than veteran workhorse CC.
[259] It has been a death march on the schedule, but really, again, not an acceptable answer. If he's going to claim that you rest A Rod because this series is more important than the Texas series, than you damn well make sure you don't enter this series with no bullpen.
And, of course, the whole concept of going in on a game you have a chance to win, with the understanding that in other games in the series, capital may be worthless because you don't even have a chance to win a game - well, that appears to be lost on Joe.
[259] Here's the only legitimate answer. "We managed the weekend series in Texas so poorly, that were forced to punt a key game against Tampa."
That's basically what happened today. Girardi has bungled so many games this season, but no one on the beat seems willing to put his feet to the fire. Apparently, Cash and Hal are interested in doing that either.
Very disappointed in Jack Curry. The one area SNY has YES beat is on the quality of their analysis. It's obvious that you can't be too critical if you want to work for YES.
[259] So they made this decision prior to the game, and decided that nothing that could happen in this game would change their minds? With the division on the line?
In summary, I think I would just refer everyone to the first post in this thread. The Yankees have shut it down. That might be acceptable for another organization, but it is a disgrace for this one.
I don't think it's a bad strategy. Save the pen for Nova, because CC can be trusted not to implode early. The problem was the offense didn't score a single run in 11 innings.
Kim noted that Joba hasn't pitched for several days. His last outing was the 10th, and he only threw 20 pitches. You gotta wonder if maybe there is some kind of injury involved.
[267] There was an interview with Maddon in which he explicity stated he wanted to hang another division banner. That's exactly the attitude a team should have...it's the one the Yankees used to have.
[268] Yeah, but he also told Kim that he had no idea the Yankees had been swept by the Rangers. He said he was too busy watching the Red Sox to pay attention to the Yankees. That sure doesn't sound like someone who's playing for the division.
[270] I don't think there's anyone in Scranton who would be much help. I went down there Friday to watch Game 3 of the first round of the playoffs, and even though I go to SWB games fairly regularly, I hardly recognized anyone on the team. Half the team was called up even before the playoffs started.
Kei Igawa started. The guy they supposedly moved to the pen. He's actually one of the best pitchers they have down there, but I doubt many want to see him up here.
And then there are the roster issues. To get Igawa or whoever on the roster, someone has to be DFA'd, or moved to the 60-day DL. Which would make them unavailable for the post-season. You can see why the Yankees don't want to do that with Gardner or Swisher.
[274] Good point...he also warmed up with Mariano in the ninth, which is why I referenced him in an earlier post.
If you read the Texas game threads, the general consensus was it made no sense to lift Hughes after only one inning and having Robertson throw 35 pitches on Saturday was a bad move. Not only did each decision contribute to losses in their respective games, but they manifested again tonight.
Girardi has managed so poorly in his three seasons, it's really hard to believe there is talk about resigning him.
[280] You're right...I mistakenly counted Andy. I don't recall Garrison being on there. Maybe he was added when they waived De La Rosa.
Here something for laughs. Before the game, Girardi said this:
"Neither one of us are in yet, so there's still a lot of work to be done," Yankees manager Joe Girardi said. "The division is important because everyone wants their home fans behind them as long as you can. We had it last year and it worked out very well for us. It's important to us."
This game is supposed to be "big", but that's not the vibe I have been getting from this team. For the first time since it was instituted, I get the distinct impression that the Yankees aren't particularly interested in winning the division. I hope that's not a sign of things to come post-George.
No Michael Kay!
Need to be able to ride our CC tonight
Derek Jeter SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Marcus Thames DH
Jorge Posada C
Austin Kearns LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Greg Golson RF
[1] Or ... we've picked a bad time to be both dinged up AND slumping
Good omen.
Bad omen.
Good omen.
Well, at least we won't be no hit tonite ...
I love that painting of CC. Especially considering it was done on an iPhone.
Bats need hats.
A lot of batting averages are going to be hurting after tonight's game.
Busted hit & run?
It's not that I'm panicking... it's just that I miss watching the Yankees hit well.
(I know, I know, it's David Price).
Did Jorge Posada just try to steal second base?
What just happened?
I'm wondering if there's a team of men wearing white gloves standing by with the Cy Young Award, waiting to deliver it to the last man standing.
Dueling one-hitters, 6th inning and only 18 comments on game thread?? I know I've been scarce recently too, but c'mon people!
wow, these two pitchers are going through these hitters like a warm knife through butter.
Oh, and I meant to say knock on wood, cause the Rays are up....
Seriously, I just took out the trash an missed like two innings.
Hope the people in Tampa wake up hungry tomorrow, cause there are a whole lot of bagels being made right now.
This. Is. The. Inning....
Wow, heater, change...Price is locked in.
that could be the game right there dammit
Soclose.
Well, at least Jeter's having a lot of good swings tonite ...
Now, he'll come back off speed...
That's one of them whatchamacallits.
Let's go now....no DOUBLE PLAY!
Green light Mark.
C'MON ALEX!!!!!!!!
OK, I'll take that.
Evening. How often do you see your OF batting 7-8-9?
And just WHEN is Price a FA?
After this year, Cashman will break the bank to get an Ace.
Aside from Cliff Lee, who's on the market this winter?
ARod behind that pitch...
Fucking fuckin' fuck.
Cmon Marcus
Man, this kid throws that easy cheese.
I think he went around on that
Nah, guess he didn't, it's just that his head jerked so much. LOL
God. Dammit.
BLECH.
frak
[34] Javy. It is a one year deal, right? Better be.
Yo AB, I saw the book release announcement. Congrats!! Got it on the Xmas book list for Mrs. Jazz. お疲れ様です!
[44] Pavano
Man, these are those games where every pitch feels precious, doesn't it?
Not so fast, Ben....
WHERE IS THAT?
Where was that pitch????
[49] That felt like a backbreaker pitch
OOOOF. That was a good swing by Pena.
Big Tex!
Okay, great job by Pena hitting that hard, and another wunnerful play by Tex.
Pena having a Kong Kingman season..
decent first cut by Jorge...
Okay, Jorge, now don't try to steal...
p.s. Hank AND Emma in the comments section. Banterites unite!
fucking fuck
I guess there's no point in trying to actually put on some kind of play. It's not like Price has been difficult to hit.
Another whatchamacallit!
This one's not so much a pitcher's duel as a pitcher's all-out nuclear war.
Before the game, Girardi said Swisher, who is going for an MRI tomorrow, would be unavailable. Now, in what seems like a panic move, he is pinch hitting. Had Girardi employed some game strategy in this inning, such a move would not be necessary.
Let's go, Swish!
[59] We had Jorge Posada try to steal second. What more could you want?
C'mon Swish
At this point, why not just have Granderson go on first movement?
[66] We don't do plays.
Damn, that's the best swing he'll get. I'd drop the slide piece on him now.
Great at bat so far, probably making this Price's last batter. Small victories, you know.
I'm too young to have seen Earl Weaver.
Joe Girardi makes me think he would have had me ripping my hair out.
Damn.
[64] It was actually a great idea by Posada. Unfortunately, he slowed up going into his slide as he covered his head for some reason. Had he gone into the base without that delay, he would have been safe.
Well hopefully Swish chased Pryce from the game. But this is an argument against pitch counts. David is still dealing.
[66] Actually, you can't really have him go because had he been thrown out, they'd have lost Swisher's bat, assuming he can't play the field.
Now, maybe WE can fucking turn a double play.
God help me if we lose this game because Maddon tried to make something happen.
Okay, an extra order of onions, here CC
This doesn't seem like a good DP situation
[74] Yeah, I thought of that soon after submitting the comment.
Oh no
C'mon, Bear DOWN. One more
[73] Speaking of which, this is a great piece written by Jonah Keri about what Nolan Ryan and the Rangers are doing with their pitchers and their training.
Definitely worth a read.
http://jonahkeri.com/2010/09/13/pitching-injuries-and-rangers/
C'mon Big Man, ONE more out!
S.T.U.D.
C-Fucking-C!
Well done, Carsten.
Well done!
Christ, Desmond Jennings is fast.
ONIONS
[77] Them's bloomin' onions.
Man, this will be a long, tough night if the Yanks don't win.
[82] Repeat it tomorrow ack em. Or Recapper, put it in the recap.
Sometimes you gotta manage outside the box.
Yanks need one of the big men to step up.
Cano's swing just doesn't look right over the last couple of weeks.
If Rivera wasn't foolishly used for two innings on Friday, you could have CC get Crawford and then go to Mo for 1 2/3. Now, you're probably stuck with Robertson facing the heart of the order.
Mark, sometimes go against the shift.
Hello, Second place.
Tex' slumps always seem to coincide with managers who employ the shift. This is the third straight series and Tex has really struggled in each.
[97] It probably gets in his head.
How large is the crowd in the Trop tonight?
Love the punchout. Fuck you Maddon.
Hey, Dick Vitale's in the front row.
Wow, that seemed like kind of a quick hook.
[99] @ 26,000 according to Singleton.
[102] I thought he gave him plenty of time to shut up, honestly.
c'mon Alex ,put the Yay in A Rod.
[102] I thought the same thing. Like he saw Maddon coming and wanted to run Crawford before Maddon could save him.
Damn.
Berkman has yet to hit a homer as a Yankee.
"well, Kim, I wanted to be able to score on a hit in the gap!"
This is all very nice, but it means nothing if Gardner doesn't steal.
will gardner actually go?
Make sure you wait until there's 2 outs AND 2 strikes, Brett.
I'm in shock.
atta baby
Well, at least he didn't wait until 2 strikes.
Still would have been nice if he'd done that before Po hit the flyball ...
I wonder if anyone named Robert Newton Peck will write a story on The Day No Runs Would Score.
He fucking sucks.
I have no words.
I hate this team
[115] Although ... it would be EVEN NICER if he was STILL ON 2ND!!!
WTF!?!?!?!?!?
sigh.
now, he runs...what a bunch of shite.
Inexusable...this team makes so many stupid mistakes.
Great speed coupled with Posadian base-running abilities.
Brett's really just Jorge with speed.
[115] Only this team could find a speedster that needs five or six pitches before he can steal.
[122] They make too many wrong mistakes, as Yogi would say.
Pena. Walk off. Book it.
If Chad Gaudin comes into this game, I'm turning it off.
[127] Is Gaudin in the game yet?
wow, he got robbed there.
Chad Gaudin? Really? Again? To lose for the third time?
Ah, good, more pitching changes.
I was beginning to miss the tedium of the Texas series all ready ...
At this point, I'll take any end to this season if it will get rid of Girardi.
Checking in... Just in time to see Garner try and catch Benoit napping.
Is it me, or has Gaudin getting a lot of work as of late?
CHAD GAUDIN?!?!?!
Does anyone else remember a game against Tampa a few years ago that went into extras and got really boring so Joe Torre just brought in Karstens to lose it?
Man, Chad doesn't inspire confidence does he?
William, you're right, the Yankees don't act as if these games are big ones. Girardi certainly doesn't.
[137] He does for Tampa.
[137] It's just that it seems that Girardi all of a sudden discovered he was there in the pen, and decided that he wanted to make up for lost time and use him frequently.
[140] I guess it could be Mitre.
Wow!
Just tuning in.
I see we have a ballgame.
I really dislike Chad Gaudin.
Chad, it started out so well.
Ugh. Throw strikes.
[144] No it didn't.
[136] I do remember that, Karstens came in and somehow survived an inning- I believe there was a deep fly with the bases loaded? Then he blew it the next inning as I recall without recording an out.
This is what I'm talking about.
I can't wait to hear Girardi's pathetic excuses after this one.
Girardi needs a new notebook.
You know what would be a radical idea in this situation: Bring in Mo for 1.1 innings.
No freakin' way he gets out Upton.
slow torture
[147] It actually happened on his third pitch
[141] It used to be Mitre in these situations. I think Girardi wanted to get Gaudin out there for 1/3 of an inning? Doesn't make sense either.
[143] Eh, I can't hold being Chad Gaudin against Chad Gaudin.
He has a place on a team ... mop up man.
The fact that we've seen him 3 of the last 4 games during a playoff race against potential playoff opponents ... I hold all of my venom solely against Joe Girardi.
Expanded rosters and all, and we still can't do better than Gaudin?
[150] They have plenty of them in Chicago...
C'mon!
Oh, man, that was a good cut right there.
I just hope there's no wild pitch.
[157] Swisher's hurt.
Joe really wants to be a Cub.
Where was that first pitch?
Apparently the ump is not down with the strike at the knees. For fuck's sake.
[163] After this week, that makes two of us.
It would be a crime against baseball for a pitchers' duel like this end with a bases loaded walk.
This is the most shameful managing in my 25+ years as a Yankee fan.
Kiling me...
A miracle.
I don't believe... what I just saw!
And the Rays Banter just collectively lost their minds. Good.
We always knew you could do it, chad!
Okay, they have to win now.
Holy cow. He did it. I thought this game was over, but he got out of it.
Doesn't matter that he got out of it. Having Gaudin pitch that inning with no back up was inexcusable, and would not have been tolerated if the Boss was still around.
Hey HEY hey
[173] (psst... Chad Curtis retired years ago...>;)
If I was Gardner, and Girardi came to me to discuss trying to steal 3B, I would tell him to get back to me when he figures out how to manage.
And now Mitre warming? Are Joba and Robertson hurt?
[176] Of course, the Boss was liable to do something just as stupid.
Mitre? Srsly? I venture into LOL territory only to ease the pain.
Joey Joe Joe just put on the double play sign.
Now he is bunting with Curtis and Jeter on deck. Incredible.
A 2-0 bunt? With Curtis and Jeter on deck? You can't make it up. Girardi's has the baseball IQ of a wad of spit.
Dunno, I would've taken another pitch there, Grandy
[186] That's not Girardi's style...he thinks the 3-0 and 2-0 pitch is ideal for bunting.
[187] Joe has been known to dig his heels in. He knows it can work, damnit!
Good night.
At least Derek drove a ball.
That's good National League baseball right there.
The Yankees would be better off going 0-21 and missing the playoffs than doing anything that get Girardi an extension.
Well, he's getting the ball out of the infield now, so... (shrugging)
And now. the end is near....
Now Sergio Mitre. I refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Joe Girardi is trying to win this game
Man, I just LOVE games where I get to see *both* Gaudin AND Mitre hit.
THANKS, JOE!!!
It feels like Girardi is auditioning for the last spots on the postseason pitching staff. First, Gaudin, now Mitre, next ???
Obviously.
FUCK.
YOU.
GIRARDI.
Nobody saw that coming...
Well, didn't see THAT coming :-/
Fuck.
Girardi is a baseball moron.
It appears Mitre is coming in. I will not watch. Why should I?
I can't believe it, but I am actually saying, "our manager obviously has no interest in winning this game."
How on God's earth Girardi does not understand the investment of capital that exists in this game by virtue of throwing your only dependable starter and getting eight awesome innings out of him is beyond me.
I watched every drop of madness of post-Jeff Weaver insertion Torre, with many moves that could only be explained by a manager being drunk or dead.
These last two innings still - even in light of the above - may stand out as the most insane moves I have ever seen a Yankee manager make.
Girardi, you sick twisted bastard.
I don't care who was at this game. If an intern was the only guy available, he should have been sent into the dugout to fire Girardi the moment Gaudin's name was announced.
I have asked for managerial suggestions in a challenging manner before - now I ask for them as a beseeching question. Who? Who would we have? Plausible candidates only, please.
Our manager has either lost his mind, or this is the equivalent of Manny striking out on three pitches with the bat on his shoulder.
Madness. Utter madness.
This is the first time I've felt the Yankees organization doesn't view winning as a priority.
If George was alive he'd fire Girardi.
Jeff Weaver follies.
[197] That doesn't make sense either; neither guy should be on a playoff roster.
[197] Are Mitre and Gaudin seriously in contention?
I was thinking he was running them out there to rest the other pitchers.
[205] I couldn't even venture a guess as to what Girardi was hoping to accomplish this week.
Glad I missed that. That is the most batshit insane thing I can recall witnessing. What explanation is possible?
I really fear a Mets-style collapse is on the way. Girardi has lost his mind.
This game was a genuine firing offense. It was a thrown game pure and simple. Adding insult to injury, literally, he also used injured players in a game he had no intention of trying to win.
This is how the Mets have been run over the last four years.
[211] Joe wants to be a Cub.
that was by far the most infuriating 3 1/2 hours of the entire season...fuckity fuck
[213] I cannot imagine someone explaining with a straight face how this man tried to win this game.
[214] So do I.
I wasn't upset over the weekend...okay, a little. And losing 1-0 in a great pitchers duel is nothing to be too upset about either. But Girardi really hasn't distinguished himself lately. And so this doesn't feel good at all. And if the Sox win later tonight that'll cap a shitty day.
[205] IN TAMPA. IN MOTHERFUCKING TAMPA.
If George were alive, he'd never be allowed in a Yankee dugout again. Maybe - maybe - he gets a plane ticket home. Or maybe just kick his ass out on the street.
George is not alive, so they should rip the GMS off his jersey and send him the hell out of our universe. That was gross incompetence. It was criminal.
I don't think I'm going to waste another second on this season. Which is good for me. So thanks, Insane Joe #2.
I meant [206], but who cares. It's all the same.
Alex, you are a marvel. How can you be calm after that. I turned it off rather than watch Mitre, but decided to yell anyway, and then realizing mid-yell how angry I was, proceeded to almost have a heart attack.
I really believe what Mattpat said may be the only explanation.
Taking spray paint to the mural of the Boss would have been a tame attempt to get fired.
This is George Costanza dragging the World Championship trophy across the parking lot.
God awful, once again. What is Girardi thinking with Gaudin and Mitre? Why is that truck Posada trying to steal second? What is the point of Gardner trying to steal third with two outs?
Again there was no clutch hitting. The yanks are hoping to back into the playoffs as the wild card in the AL. Sad. Again the emperor shows that he has no clothes.
Coffee Joe is now Evasive Joe in this interview :)
Joe is *pissed!*
I must continue to analogize as my brain strives to comprehend what just happened.
I think I have it:
Having watched Gaudin somehow, miraculously only leave the bases loaded, Girardi was like a man not satisfied with the first pull in a game of Russian Roulette.
The Gaudin result simply would not do.
Clearly, he had Albaladejo, Javy, and Edwar Ramirez queued up in the other chambers. And then Joba, if the satisfaction of having a bullet lodged in his brain had not been attained.
[223] Evasive, rude and making no sense. Why does Cashman tolerate it?
[221] Either he really wants to be a Cub, or its another one of his "we've got to TRICK the other manager" moves. I'm sure Joe Maddon didn't expect that Girardi would bring in his two worst pitchers with the division on the line, so its a moral victory, really.
[224] Good. Maybe he'll quit.
Can anyone paraphrase the individual sentences for those who can't get the postgame?
Not the overall meaning, as I know that's gobbledegook, but the sentences, as they were delivered. Unless he stopped speaking English, his head rotated in a complete 360, and he started speaking in tongues. Which seems entirely plausible.
[227] Maybe he forgot that it's shock and awe that is an actual maneuver, not simply "shock."
Although I can only imagine the confusion in the Rays' dugout as Girardi brought out the tee for extra innings.
[224] He is, isn't he? Seems that he isn't angry at himself, though.
[226] Perhaps he doesn't see it as a big deal? Maybe there isn't anyone there to take over? Perhaps the defending world championship manager has a bit of a longer leash? I dunno.
At least Joba and Robertson are rested!!! This man is obsessed with resting people to a ridiculous degree. I understand guys need to be rested, but it's seemingly his primary focus.
Joe is stonewalling in the YES post game interview. He even got some tough
questions fro Kim "the shill" Jones.
Of course YES didn't keep their cameras in the manager's office for too long. Might be too delicate.
[227] I think we are all overlooking the obvious. Girardi isn't very bright and should be managing a baseball team. I don't think there needs to be any other reason but that.
[230] You know, sometimes its also okay to just manage by the book. Thats why there is a book. It tends to work.
I don't know what big a deal it is if Maddon knows that Chamberlain and Robertson are or aren't available. It's not like managing isn't fluid, or anything. I mean he can look out and see who's out there warming up in the Yankees' pen.
I also don't get why no one asked him about bunting 2-0 with Granderson against a righty, so Curtis and Jeter could make outs...the same mistake he made on Friday night.
YES is taunting us now by showing Maddon.
It was the failure to understand the concept of "investment of finite capital" that made me so desperate to see Torre jettisoned.
Girardi has failed in this regard miserably over the last weeks.
I have an out of the country wedding in early October and then a conference all the way across the US the next weekend. I've been trying to come to grips with the inconvenience that could pose. I'm coming to grips with it.
[229] Basically saying that the guys he would normally go to in that situation were unavailable, and that he discussed Gardy's attempt to steal 3b with him. Didn't go into details.
[236] THAT enrages me. Its like when he started lying about A-Rod's return from the DL last year. Who the fuck cares if the other manager knows who you have?
[240] Why, exactly, were they unavailable?
The 2-0 bunt was also unforgivable. Maddon is no Golden God, either. Managing against Girardi in that game was like Kramer ruling the dojo.
[235] I think he was reading from the book; hence Granderson's bunt attempt, and not going to Mo with a tie game on the road, and not going to his trusted relief aces without a lead...
Girardi said "the guys you would expect" were not available. He wouldn't say what was wrong with them. Just overworked? Resting them up for postseason? Secret injuries?
Girardi has been like this since he was first hired as manager. Remember, he wouldn't even say which pitchers were available? Thought that would give the other manager an advantage.
YES talking heads seemed to think there might be injuries involved, and implied they would be investigating.
[242] He childishly wouldn't say. In fact, he wouldn't even say by name who was unavailable. Of course, "I over used bullpen in TX so had to give away a game in Tampa" IS NOT a valid excuse. It is an admission of mismanagement.
if the other guys aren't available, don't use logan for only 1 batter.
[242] Damned if I know, Girardi didn't explain, part of the stonewalling referenced in post [233]
[240] Thanks for the answer. I imagine those watching are left as unsatisfied as those of us are who can't get the postgame. I'd really like the answer to [242].
If those two are not available, isn't there some other option? Like if you know those two aren't available then you know you can't use an actually viable reliever like Logan for only one batter?
Unacceptable answers from Girardi.
Dang it [247], you beat me to the punch.
[245] The image of Bob Lorenz ON THE CASE, possibly with a magnifying glass, made me crack a smile for the first time in hours.
Brett Gardner is now on my TV making no sense. Holy Christ, its contagious.
Girardi should learn from Gardner and simply admit he screwed up. Then again, doing that every night could get redundant.
Gardner's error is also revolting.
[251] They should make a WB ad out of it.
[251] Gardner admitted he screwed up.
Eiland, OTOH, isn't making any sense...
Now Eiland is advancing the party line with the same smugness. Someone needs to let Girardi and his coaches now that if you lose too many battles, you also lose the war.
Dave Eiland just said that they lost the battle to win the war. They damned well better win that war.
[254] I started posting that when he was rambling and repeating himself and claiming that he saw something but he wouldn't say what.
Kim went to Eiland to pursue the mystery of the unavailable bullpen.
He wasn't that much more forthcoming, but he hinted that the pen was overworked and they were saving it for tomorrow. They figured young Nova would need backup more than veteran workhorse CC.
[259] It has been a death march on the schedule, but really, again, not an acceptable answer. If he's going to claim that you rest A Rod because this series is more important than the Texas series, than you damn well make sure you don't enter this series with no bullpen.
And, of course, the whole concept of going in on a game you have a chance to win, with the understanding that in other games in the series, capital may be worthless because you don't even have a chance to win a game - well, that appears to be lost on Joe.
[259] Here's the only legitimate answer. "We managed the weekend series in Texas so poorly, that were forced to punt a key game against Tampa."
That's basically what happened today. Girardi has bungled so many games this season, but no one on the beat seems willing to put his feet to the fire. Apparently, Cash and Hal are interested in doing that either.
Very disappointed in Jack Curry. The one area SNY has YES beat is on the quality of their analysis. It's obvious that you can't be too critical if you want to work for YES.
[259] So they made this decision prior to the game, and decided that nothing that could happen in this game would change their minds? With the division on the line?
[259] Yeah, but even so, it doesn't make any sense to burn both the long guys in Mitre and Gaudin.
In summary, I think I would just refer everyone to the first post in this thread. The Yankees have shut it down. That might be acceptable for another organization, but it is a disgrace for this one.
I don't think it's a bad strategy. Save the pen for Nova, because CC can be trusted not to implode early. The problem was the offense didn't score a single run in 11 innings.
Kim noted that Joba hasn't pitched for several days. His last outing was the 10th, and he only threw 20 pitches. You gotta wonder if maybe there is some kind of injury involved.
[263] It does sound like that was the case.
Before the game, Kim said the Yankees didn't really care if they won the division or the wild card, and neither did the Rays.
[267] There was an interview with Maddon in which he explicity stated he wanted to hang another division banner. That's exactly the attitude a team should have...it's the one the Yankees used to have.
[265] If 'the Yankees have shut it down," why have CC throw 8 innings or use Swisher and Gardner?
[266] If he wasn't injured, he should have been out there.
Meanwhile, to echo what William's been saying ... SWB's playoff run ended 2 days ago.
Where are the goddamn callups?
I mean, Miranda and Huffman and Russo aren't great, but they're bodies and *bats* that might just be used by the "Chessmaster" at some point.
Especially with the Swisher AND Gardner injuries.
[268] Yeah, but he also told Kim that he had no idea the Yankees had been swept by the Rangers. He said he was too busy watching the Red Sox to pay attention to the Yankees. That sure doesn't sound like someone who's playing for the division.
[271] That wasn't Maddon...that was GM, and his point was he expected the Yankees would be in the playoffs, so the Red Sox had been the main focus.
[270] I don't think there's anyone in Scranton who would be much help. I went down there Friday to watch Game 3 of the first round of the playoffs, and even though I go to SWB games fairly regularly, I hardly recognized anyone on the team. Half the team was called up even before the playoffs started.
Kei Igawa started. The guy they supposedly moved to the pen. He's actually one of the best pitchers they have down there, but I doubt many want to see him up here.
And then there are the roster issues. To get Igawa or whoever on the roster, someone has to be DFA'd, or moved to the 60-day DL. Which would make them unavailable for the post-season. You can see why the Yankees don't want to do that with Gardner or Swisher.
Also, if Robertson wasn't available, WHY WAS HE WARMING UP ALONGSIDE LOOGAN?
I'd be curious to get a straight answer to that one ...
[273] I believe the Yankees have three open slots on the 40-man. Marte, Johnson and Aceves are all on the 60-day DL.
[273] Each of the 3 I mentioned are already on the 40.
Each would be helpful in their own way.
Huffman, for example, ought to have been starting tonite instead of Greg FREAKIN' Golson.
[274] Good point...he also warmed up with Mariano in the ninth, which is why I referenced him in an earlier post.
If you read the Texas game threads, the general consensus was it made no sense to lift Hughes after only one inning and having Robertson throw 35 pitches on Saturday was a bad move. Not only did each decision contribute to losses in their respective games, but they manifested again tonight.
Girardi has managed so poorly in his three seasons, it's really hard to believe there is talk about resigning him.
[275] They're at 40, not counting the guys on the 60-day DL.
[276] Russo and Miranda were called up as soon as the SWB Yanks were eliminated.
Not sure why Huffman wasn't.
[278] I just checked Yankees.com and they are at 39. I think they just waived De La Rosa.
[279] I count 40. Counting Pettitte, but not counting Aceves, Marte or Johnson.
I don't see De La Rosa on the list.
[280] You're right...I mistakenly counted Andy. I don't recall Garrison being on there. Maybe he was added when they waived De La Rosa.
Here something for laughs. Before the game, Girardi said this:
"Neither one of us are in yet, so there's still a lot of work to be done," Yankees manager Joe Girardi said. "The division is important because everyone wants their home fans behind them as long as you can. We had it last year and it worked out very well for us. It's important to us."
WDLR was waived, but they did it to pick up a LH reliever from San Diego.
His spot is taken.
[281] Yeah, WDLR for Garrison.
Emma's put up the game recap.