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Chocolate Thunder vs Texas Heat. Yanks and Sox at Fenway Park on Sunday Night Baseball.

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1 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 6:47 pm

Listened to the Mud Hens game today, Dontrelle was pitching for Louisville. He walked the first batter, but then didn't walk another for 6 innings. only gave up 3 hits vs. 5 Ks. No runs. I'd like to see him make it back to the majors.

2 Evil Empire   ~  Apr 10, 2011 6:50 pm

Jebbie sez Yanks need a win tonight!

Btw I'm wondering what kind of ramifications the sox rays series might have if one of them gets broomed.

3 RIYank   ~  Apr 10, 2011 7:06 pm

[2] Well, it's so early in the season and it's a marathon not a...


4 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 7:36 pm

Brett Gardner LF
Derek Jeter SS
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Curtis Granderson CF
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada DH
Eric Chavez 3B
Russell Martin C

Alex was scratched from the lineup because of sickness.

5 RIYank   ~  Apr 10, 2011 7:44 pm

[4] The flu, I just heard (accompanied by the brilliant remarks we've all come to expect: what, he's making $25M and he can't take four AB...?).

6 Chyll Will   ~  Apr 10, 2011 7:49 pm

[4] Yeah, I wish my doctor prescribed me $25 million a year. Pure genius.

7 Chyll Will   ~  Apr 10, 2011 7:50 pm

[6] for [4], but it still makes sense...

8 Chyll Will   ~  Apr 10, 2011 7:52 pm

[6] Boooo! Not on my game tonight, too many distractions. Good luck tonight everyone!

9 RIYank   ~  Apr 10, 2011 7:53 pm

Uh oh, better warm up the relief Chyll. Our starting Chyll might be a little off...

10 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:10 pm

I dont think I can last four hours of Bobby V

11 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:20 pm

[10] It's Bobby V doing color? Was wondering who that was..not Sutcliffian-level bad though..

Grinch looks like he spent some time at Hulka-burger in the offseason..two Ks there though, he's still got good stuff..

12 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:21 pm

Weaver struck out 15 Jays today. Wowsers.
Go get 'em, Big Fella!

13 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:23 pm

[10] I'm just glad he's not the Yankees manager.

14 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:23 pm

The Dusty fellatio is killing me..time for the Japanese announcers.

15 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:27 pm

I had forgotten how ugly Youklis looks.

16 RIYank   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:28 pm

[15] Lucky you. Most of us have nightmares.

17 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:32 pm

Just missed it Robbie.

18 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:35 pm

[1] Me, too. He seems like a really nice guy.

I saw him pitching in Grapefruit League spring training last month, and he was kind of all over the place. Looked really good in one game (and hit a triple!) Was absolutely terrible in the next game, giving up hits, walks, wild pitches, and throwing the ball into the stands trying to hold the runner on. I'm not sure what to make of him, but his velocity's still good. Maybe it's all mental.

Not sure if he'll get a chance to pitch for the Reds this year. The Reds have a wealth of starting pitchers, but no real ace.

19 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:37 pm

Yeah, get the box off the screen. Pretty fucking please.

20 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:39 pm

Hey, did anyone catch last half inning that "We Built This City" by Starship was playing on the Fenway PA? I didn't imagine that, right?

21 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:39 pm

This could be going better

22 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:44 pm

[21] Ponson, Ponson, Ponson!!!

23 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:47 pm

Sorry Bobby V. That will not ignite the crowd. : (

24 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:52 pm

Chavez looks a bit like Mattingly imo.

25 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:54 pm

Evening Ladies and Germs.

26 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:54 pm

Bah, Beckett looks good tonite.

27 joejoejoe   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:54 pm

Bobby V on Eric Chavez: "It must be nice to be the Yankees. All-Star out of the lineup, All-Star in the lineup"

Ahhh...Chavez was just about out of baseball. The Yankees signed him to a minor league deal.

28 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:55 pm

If Martin catches 150 games, how will Cervelli catch 90?

29 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:56 pm

How cute, Boston is a six time Whirled Serious champions.

30 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:56 pm


31 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:57 pm

OMG, a ML second baseman turned a double play!

32 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:57 pm

Any reason (aside from the obvious HE'S DEREK JETER) Nunez can't play against some FB RH pitchers? Derek is over matched and Nunez can't be expected to do anything if he hardly plays. 40 games for Nunez, 120 for Derek. That's reasonable, isn't it?

33 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:58 pm

[28] Say this for ESPN, they sure do their research. From Chad Jennings today.

Girardi guessed that Russell Martin could play 120-130 games this season. “For a guy as strong as he is and his age, I don’t think that’s too much to ask,” he said.

34 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 8:59 pm

[32] Well yes, especially since Derek Jeter is obviously the worst player on the team...or at least so I gather from your posts about him.

35 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:00 pm

[33] That still seems high

36 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:00 pm

Nice play by Pedroia, but why didn't the runners advance on the ball that rolled pretty far from Varitek? That may have cost them (predetermined outcome advisory).

37 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:00 pm

5'7 my ass

38 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:01 pm

[27] Yeah...I heard that as well.

39 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:01 pm

Christ! PastadivingStatue...

40 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:02 pm

That was one of the most amazing double plays I have ever seen. Hopefully they can show it a few more times. In even slower motion. CC is not good thus far.

41 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:04 pm

[34] Check out Jeters numbers for his last 400 PAs against power RHPs and get back to me. You don't think Nunez can beat that? And yes, Jeter may now be our worse hitting starter.

42 RagingTartabull   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:05 pm

I'll take it!

43 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:06 pm

Shut up Valentine, he made NO effort to get to the bag.

44 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:06 pm

He was about 8 feet out of the line, Bobby

45 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:07 pm

I'll be...they actually made that call. CC gets a little help from the umps.

46 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:08 pm

Bobby Valentine: The rule says this, but I don't agree with the rule, so the umpire is wrong for calling it.

47 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:10 pm

Nuñez' numbers:
MiL: .274/.318/.369/.687
2010 overall: .280/.321/.360/.681
2010 v. RHP: .292/.370/.292/.662

Jeter 2010 v. Power pitchers: .289/.369/.369/.738

I'll take my chances with Jeter.

Yes, Jeter may be the worst hitting starter--which seems to please you in some strange way---but he is still better than his replacement.

48 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:11 pm

I'd like to see them call that everytime. It's dangerous enough around the bag as it is. Make that call... keep players in the baselines.

49 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:11 pm

I mean, I think the balk rule is absurd. But I'm not going to call out an umpire for calling a balk.

50 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:14 pm

[47] That said, Jeter was smoked in the AB.

51 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:14 pm

[48] Yep!

52 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:15 pm

[50] Painful to watch

53 Evil Empire   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:16 pm

there we go...BB for Teix

54 Evil Empire   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:17 pm

beep beep beep.....Score truck backing up...

55 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:18 pm

[47] Those numbers include LH pitchers.
Against RHP only, 2010: .246 .316 .317 .633
Now, I don't know the splits on (RHP) FB/other, but these's no question he has lost bat speed.

So if Nunez has similar numbers against RHP, and he is a year more mature, while Jeter is a year older, why not.
Jeter's got 3 MORE years on his contract.
You think resting him against his hardest pitchers will hurt him?
Do you think Nunez might be better with semi-regular play, as opposed to sitting 90% of the time?

56 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:23 pm

2 hits and 4 shutout innings from Douche-face, Bollocks! Hold the fort, CC.

57 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:24 pm

[55] I think Jeter should be rested more, for sure. But I am not convinced he should as a policy sit against opposing team's best power pitchers, because I am not convinced that Nuñez will, over the course of the course of the season, be able to do any better. Year older or not, Nuñez' MiL numbers suggest profound suckitude...better than the horrific Peña, but that's not saying much. If anything, it makes as much sense to rest Jeter against mediocre RHs (against whom Nuñez stands a better chance), or rest him when it makes more sense defensively (though the Yankees don't really have a groundball pitcher now).

Lastly, Beckett is blowing away most everyone tonight not named Chavez. That Jeter looks overmatched so far on this night with Beckett pitching this well is not particularly telling.

58 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:24 pm

Going to the game on Thursday. Is that Hughes?

59 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:26 pm

[58] Nova

60 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:26 pm


61 Evil Empire   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:26 pm

[hushed tones] here comes the greatest signing evah....Carl Crawford....what a fabulously great player.

how do you walk scutaro?

62 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:26 pm

[59] Garcia's not pitching this week?

63 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:28 pm

Yeoman CC tonight. They'll get to the Grinch soon.

64 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:28 pm

[62] I thought he was not scheduled to start until about 12 games in, but maybe I misremember?

65 Dimelo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:28 pm

[55] If in 1952 you bought $10K worth of shares in IBM, would you have sold after 3 weeks of it staying steady or it losing some money?

I don't really get what your issue is with sitting Jeter after the first full week of baseball games.

66 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:29 pm

[62] C.C's on line to start Friday, so nope. (at least according to what Jennings posted today at LoHud)

67 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:30 pm

[64] I thought when he got rained out they said he'd pitch the next week.

68 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:30 pm

[66] Ok. Saw Nova last time too. Fun game.

69 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:31 pm

Replay of Matsui's tater at Minnesota today.. I miss him.

70 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:31 pm

Gentlemen, gentlemen, we all have our yearly Yankees-related meme that we beat to death like a poor little pony heading to a glue factory, OYF has just settled on his a little earlier than the rest of us ...

71 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:32 pm

[62] Looking at the schedule: the rainout let them skip Garcia, plus they have an off day on Monday. That means they can go through starters 2-4 and then start CC again on Friday and turn the rotation over again. With the subsequent off days, they can stick with a four man rotation almost to the end of the month.

72 Dimelo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:32 pm

[69] Agreed.

73 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:34 pm

[70] Very good observation. I was all set to complain Sergio Mitre but they went and traded him. So now, without my own meme yet, I'm the one who's Unlucky™!!

74 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:37 pm

I'm going to the game in Toronto a week from Tuesday. Haven't been to a Yanks game in a couple years. Looking forward to it. Mabye I'll see Silva's debut. ; )

75 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:40 pm

Wilson Betemit 4-4 today, leading the Royals to a division title??

Go Go CC!

76 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:40 pm

I've wanted to go to Skydome for 15 years

77 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:43 pm


I wasn't watching the pitch, but hearing the sound the ball made off his hand, I thought that was a foul ball off the bat.

78 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:43 pm

Mitre's pitching pretty well for his new club.

And IPK pitched a gem yesterday.

79 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:44 pm

[74] They showed Sergio! sitting in the Brewers bullpen today tossing seeds (actual seeds.) Long strange trip.

80 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:44 pm

[75] Release Nuñez, trade for Betemit, then bench Jeter?

81 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:44 pm

He swung anyway

82 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:44 pm

[78] So his luck really has changed!

83 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:45 pm

[80] I won't be responsible for my actions.

84 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:45 pm

[76] It's a nice facility. And the Jays have cheerleaders leading the 7th inning stretch. Could do without the mascots, tho'

85 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:46 pm

[79] It all comes full circle. Erick Almonte homered the other day for the Brewers.

86 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:47 pm

[84] I want to stay in that hotel where you can watch the game from the windows!

87 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:48 pm

[80] Fuck, Marry, Kill?

88 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:49 pm

[86] IIRC the cameras one time caught a couple doing it up against the window.

89 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:51 pm

[88] LOL. I definitely don't want to do that!

90 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:51 pm

[88] Inevitable! Would be one of the main reasons to get the room, no?

CC is a warrior! Am back on ESPN now, nice to hear something not about Beckett.

91 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:52 pm

He missed the glove by two feet

92 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:54 pm

The glass floor of the CN tower is far riskier.
Please hold 'em, Big Fella!

93 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:54 pm

[88] IIRC, that happened in 89 or 90, shortly after the Skydome opened. Also, FWIW, Exhibition Stadium has been razed, and in its place is BMO field, a soccer stadium.

94 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:54 pm

This is one of the reasons I love CC. Even when he doesn't really have anything, he can still be nails.

95 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:55 pm

Hey, Team. Been listening to Sterling and Suzyn and then I come home, turn on the teevee and see a strike zone graphic on ESPN? Wtf?

CC's doing a great job of keeping us in the game; I love that Becket can be lights out and CC can by damned shaky and yet it's still just 1-0.

96 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:56 pm

[94] The bullpen better be nails for at least 3 innings. One more from CC I guess.

97 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:57 pm

"Tilt" on his pitches?

Has anyone heard of "tilt" before?

What's wrong with "movement?"

98 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:57 pm

A linedrive bunt

99 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:58 pm

[97] Movement can be side to side.

100 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:58 pm

I don't like listening to Bobby V.

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101 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 9:59 pm

Jeez, can Jeter just not get the ball out the infield?

102 Dimelo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:00 pm

[101] Sure looks like that so far.

103 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:01 pm

Just... painful... to... watch...

104 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:01 pm

Or maybe they can just put Colon in for the rest of the game and pull a few starters, since one run looks to be more than enough for Beckett tonight.

105 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:02 pm

[100] After listening to Wald-ling, Valentine ought to sound like Vin Scully to your ears ...

106 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:02 pm

Ugh, I hate losing to Beckett.

107 Dimelo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:02 pm

Wow. I hate this shit, we were suppose to destroy Beckett.

108 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:02 pm

[103] So true. Teix looked totally overmatched in that AB.

109 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:03 pm

listening to espn radio w/ jon sciambi & chris singleton is more than fine. game on mute on the tube, here and there.

got a coupla packs of topps today. got a cano (already had 2 different ones), an a-rod card (youngest to 600 homers/checklist) and the best surprise: a Thurman Munson card!!!

apparently, there's a regular 2011 topps card of him. how cool! i already had every Thurman topps card ever. i had NO clue there'd be another one this season. now, i continue to have 'em all... Thurman was my very first idol, so this is really really cool for me. : )

meanwhile, what the fuck is up w/ fuckett. asshole...

110 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:03 pm

I LOATHE Beckett.

111 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:03 pm

Agreed. Release_______, trade for _______, then bench Jeter.

112 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:03 pm

[105] Heehee.

113 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:04 pm

Boone Fucking Logan.

114 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:04 pm

Oh Christ, not Logan.

115 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:04 pm

Uh oh, NOgan is warming in the pen ...

116 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:06 pm

Logan?? So they're just writing this game off then I guess.

117 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:06 pm

I love listening to Hershiser pretend like Gonzalez's contract hasn't been signed yet

118 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:06 pm

You're fucking killing me, Scutaro!

119 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:07 pm



120 Dimelo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:08 pm

[111] AA_P

121 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:08 pm

Fuck, that scared me! I had visions of the ball going into left field.

122 Dimelo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:09 pm

I'll trust CC over anyone in the pen not named Mo.

123 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:10 pm

Why wold JoeyJoeJoe pull CC last week but leave him in here when's he struggling?

124 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:11 pm

[123] see [122]

125 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:12 pm

Let's hope Joba brings it ...

126 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:12 pm

It comes down to Ugly.

127 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:12 pm

Blow this fuck away, Joba...

128 Dimelo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:13 pm

Going to the pen early. Blah!

129 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:14 pm

I thought that Joba was the Seventh Inning Guy?

130 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:15 pm

Big Ugly runs like me

131 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:15 pm


Way to stay with it, Chavez!

132 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:15 pm

Nice recovery by Chavez.

133 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:15 pm

Eric The Great!!!

134 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:16 pm

Yay, defense.

135 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:16 pm

[129] well, let's hope he is. i can see GI Joe going to Bogan for Fat Liar...

136 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:16 pm

I'd like Boston to have a game like CC's last start. I little bullpen implosion after Beckett's departure.

137 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:17 pm


Have faith, Banterers. Would be real nice to see Chavez hit a 2 run homer off of Paps for the winner.

138 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:17 pm

[136] But will he depart at this rate?

139 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:18 pm

Robbie has such quick hands.

140 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:21 pm

Tater is-a-comin off of Bard or Paps, I can feel it.

141 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:21 pm

What the FUCK is ESPN doing?

They've got all these new gimmicks!

It's making me dizzy.

And cranky.

142 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:21 pm


143 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:23 pm

[138] Nor after the hideousness. Oi!

144 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:23 pm

[141] i read a lot of their website for general news. they changed the player profile pages. it looks more 'modern', but it's harder to read and missing some basic info. i can't stand it...

145 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:27 pm

great. leadoff walk. my favorite... : /

146 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:27 pm

There has not been one 1-2-3 inning this whole game for Boston.

147 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:28 pm

wow. tampon has scored 20 runs in 9 games...

148 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:29 pm

No, "the numbers" do NOT seem "extremely hollow."

Give me a fucking break.

149 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:30 pm

Is there serious talk of leaving Clemens out of the HOF?

Manny has no chance?


150 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:31 pm

McGuire is in a different category because the 1990s was the "wild, wild west?"

151 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:32 pm

Joba thinks walks are food.

152 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:32 pm

[150] Olney is a fuckin idiot

153 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:32 pm

goddammit, jobber. throw fucking strikes!!!

154 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:32 pm

Come on Joba.

155 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:33 pm

Nooooo, not Logan!!!!

156 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:33 pm

[152] You know, people have bought cock and bull stories like Pettitte and Ortiz, so you know people will believe what they want.

157 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:34 pm

Oh God. He's ready.

158 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:34 pm

Manny also decked his travel secretary. Now one incident shouldn't be a blocker (depending on the incident) but character is a criterion. And Ty Cobb is lucky he grew up in a racist era.

159 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:34 pm

fuck you, vagitek.

time for scutaro to cooperate and ground into an easy inning ending double play.

160 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:35 pm

Attack this fucker, Joba!

161 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:35 pm

Goddamn it.

Fucking fuck.

162 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:35 pm

Good ol' Joba ...

163 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:35 pm

Being beat by Scutaro and Varitek is kind of galling.

164 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:35 pm

and....time to get some work done...

165 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:35 pm

Oh no.

166 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:36 pm

Girardi a bit slow with the hook.
Fuck. Now the Sox are ahead of Tampa Bay.

167 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:36 pm

Good work, Joba. Fuck you, Scutaro. 2 fucking walks and now 2 hits form the Modamn 9 hitter. Ugh.

168 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:36 pm

marco fucking scutaro. damn you, joba.

no dp setup anymore...

i guess bobby v is happy now, since boston needed a run here "in the worst way." i mean, what the fuck?! : /

169 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:37 pm

[166] I'd wait as long as possible to being Logan in too.

170 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:37 pm

[163] not to mention fuckett...

171 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:38 pm

[169] Exactly.

172 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:39 pm

Wait a minute.

Boone Logan is going to pitch to Pedroia?



173 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:40 pm

Oh, sweet, a Freddy Garcia sighting ...

174 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:40 pm

Why is our worst pitcher pitching to their best hitter with two RISP in the sevent?

175 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:41 pm

Yeah, this isn't going to end well.

176 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:41 pm

Don't worry NOgan, they're just saying BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOne.

177 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:41 pm

[174] leftyleftylefty

178 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:41 pm

This will not end well.

179 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:42 pm

Better to be lucky than good ...

180 rbj   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:42 pm

Two innings to get 4 runs?

We can do this!

181 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:42 pm

Could have been so much worse. Now, do we have any chance of scoring thrice with six outs?

182 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:43 pm

We shoulda kept Kennedy and traded Joba.

183 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:44 pm

Also, I hate to bring this up, but at what point in the season/career is it ok to pinch it for Derek?

184 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:44 pm


185 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:44 pm

[182] We should have hired Dr. Frahnkensteen to transfer Ian's brain to Joba's body ...

186 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:44 pm

Good, that curve was high....

187 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:45 pm


188 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:46 pm

this is painful.

189 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:47 pm

Does Posada even exist today?

190 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:47 pm

This is demoralizing.

191 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:48 pm

I really hate to see Beckett succeed

192 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:48 pm

fucking pathetic.

193 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:48 pm

[183] Pinch...hit...for Jeter?


It's not like he's valuable for his defense or anything...

194 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:49 pm

[185] IPK's brain is debatable.

195 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:49 pm

Okay, I've calmed down. These games happen.

196 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:50 pm

I will give credit to Girardi for not bringing in Logan for Sabathia in the 6th. Sort of.

197 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:50 pm

[183] He should be released immediately. Ask OYF. However, more to the point tonight--the entire lineup has two hits and two other balls out of the IF. Pinch hit for whomever...it doesn't really matter.

198 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:50 pm

[194] Not when compared to Joba's ...

199 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:51 pm

Errr. This is weird. Garcia?

200 Mr OK Jazz Tokyo   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:51 pm

[195] Yep, shame it was a CC start though.

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201 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:51 pm


Is that is fastball?

202 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:52 pm

awesome. i love when our pen gives up a leadoff walk...

203 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:54 pm

[197] I'm just saying, hypothetically...if the game is on the line in the ninth and Chavez or Jones is on the bench where maybe a sac fly can tie it up...

At what point can we even entertain that possibility, is my question? (At what point does Joe, in other words.)

204 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:54 pm

Walks will haunt. :-(

205 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:54 pm

oh good. : /

206 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:54 pm

Sweet...Garcia is creating his own garbage time!

207 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:54 pm

Ooo that was crushed

208 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:54 pm

Say goodnite, Gracie ...

209 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:54 pm

I mean, is that the sort of thing we'll have to rely on Cashman to intervene on?

210 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:55 pm

Where's the fat shit who couldn't hit from LAST April? Rats!

211 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:56 pm

I really don't think putting Garcia in this game at this point is a wise move. Not much good can come of it .... I mean, little upside, a lot of downside

212 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:56 pm

[209] I don't think Cashman is going to intervene. The only thing he can do is take Jeter off the roster, and he's not gonna do that. (Remember how he had to take Bernie away from Torre?)

213 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:56 pm

[197] And just to be clear, I wasn't referring to tonight. Beckett is clearly lights-out, I don't hold the hitters accountable for that.

214 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:58 pm

Regarding Jeter, if Cashman has to intervene, I would hope that it would be a little longer after a couple of weeks into the season.

215 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:58 pm

[212] And as it turns out, the Josh Phelps era did not go well.

216 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:59 pm

Is he throwing changeups?

217 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:59 pm

*than* after a couple of weeks...

218 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 10:59 pm

[214] Thank you.

219 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:00 pm

Even if we don't win the game, I'd sure like to see Private Pyle get slapped around a bit here ...

220 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:01 pm

[214] Sure, but you see the problem, right? You have a bench now where it's an eminently plausible scenario if Jeter continues to not be able to hit the ball in the air.

How many games have to be put in jeopardy because of Jeter's pride?

221 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:02 pm

[220] because of Jeter’s pride


222 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:03 pm

[221] What?

223 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:04 pm

I have to say, its a sad state of affairs when I'm one of the calm, upbeat, optimistic ones here.

224 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:04 pm

[220] Going back to your hypothetical scenario at [203], I highly doubt very many games will hang in the balance because of batter X's ability to hit a sac fly. That's a pretty trivial consideration.

225 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:04 pm

[220] Pride has nothing to do with it. Jeter has been at this for a while, I think he has earned the benefit of the doubt.

226 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:05 pm

Je-ter, Je-ter ...

What we gonna do?

What we gonna do when you turn to glue?

227 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:05 pm

[224] So the question of pinch-hitting for Jeter is illegitimate?

Wouldn't that make the question of ever pinch-hitting for anyone illegitimate?

228 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:05 pm

[222] I don't get the moral condemnation here. Jeter's "pride"? What do you mean here?

229 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:05 pm

Crawford's off to a shittastic start. No one's pouring dirt on him, yet.
We haven't even hit game 10, yet. Jeter's not going anywhere.

230 OldYanksFan   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:06 pm

[197] MP is correct. Tonight, the Yankees sucked as much as Jeter, so Derek gets a pass.

231 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:06 pm

[225] Ok, sure, call it what you like, but don't you see how it might actually get in the way of winning games?

232 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:06 pm

I really can't get too bent out of shape, or bent out of shape at all, about Jeter's performance as of April 10. I mean really?

233 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:06 pm

oh, derek...

234 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:06 pm

Ah, yes, "Yankees Suck" ... stay classy Boston!

235 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:07 pm

[232] Ditto

236 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:07 pm

[227] No, the question is not illegitimate. But framing it in terms of "what if we really need a sac fly" is silly.

237 randym77   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:07 pm

Remember a few years back, when A-Rod couldn't hit a sac fly? Michael Kay was quoting that stat about A-Rod being the worst in the league at getting a runner in from third with less than two outs.

I think Jeter will be okay, at least when it comes to hitting sac flies.

238 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:08 pm

[230] Again, I wasn't referring to tonight and I'm not trying to run Derek out of town.

I'm just being honest: in a big situation with Chavez (and maybe Jones) on the bench, who would you rather see?

Is it really such an outlandish question?

239 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:08 pm

Wow. That was a foot outside and low.

240 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:09 pm

Now I find myself agreeing with Mattpat [235] and Hawk [232]. Apocalypse imminent?

241 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:09 pm

Ah well, tough to gripe too much about that game with the way Beckett pitched.

Just sucks there's a day off tomorrow.

242 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:09 pm

[232] How is posing a hypothetical question "getting bent out of shape?" And he had a whole bad YEAR, it's not just a bad two weeks.

Jesus, of course I want him to improve as much as anyone, I'm just saying, what if he doesn't or only does to a negligible degree?

I'm NOT calling for the man's head.

243 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:10 pm

I don't deny Beckett's dominance but the ump seemed to favor the Sox all night. Sabathia couldn't buy a strike on the outside corner but Beckett routinely got it .... It could just be Beckett was that much sharper but on TV is seemed a little unbalanced.

God I hat Beckett. I loved it last year when the Yanks knocked him around. Looking forward to the next instance of that.

244 Mattpat11   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:10 pm

[241] Yeah, I'd rather they get back out there.

245 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:10 pm

[232] And what you say begs the question, my question, which was, "at what point..."



Next season?

It wasn't a rhetorical question, I'm really curious, at what point do things start to change regarding his status?

246 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:12 pm

[231] I'd wager panicking would "get in the way of winning games." It's a couple weeks into April. Let's see a little bit more before we decide to bury the shortstop?

247 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:13 pm

[228] It wasn't condemnation. The pride of athletes is often cited as a factor by managers in their treatment/deployment.

Given Derek's status, I can only presume that Girardi would be more hesitant to "demote" him than he might otherwise be with a player of lesser stature.

248 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:13 pm

[238] in a big situation with Chavez (and maybe Jones)

Interesting that you would put Chavez over Jones, given that Chavez has "hit" .610, .262 and 628 OPS over the last three highly abbreviated, injury riddled seasons.

Ask me in a month or two when we have some more evidence to go on.

249 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:14 pm

[247] Then the problem is not with Jeter's "pride" but with his status...and with Girardi's own lack of executive will.

250 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:14 pm

[236] How the fuck is that silly?

Jesus, are you just trying to break my balls?

You know what my point is, or don't you?

251 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:14 pm

[242] If he has the same year he had last year, I still won't get bent out of shape.

I don't think they'll be pinch-hitting for him for the foreseeable future. As such, the thought does sound a little like the sky is falling. I wouldn't start wondering about stuff like that till at least a month from now. There's just not enough of a pattern to suggest such steps would have to be taken.

252 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:15 pm

[245] It changes when you have a better option.

253 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:17 pm

[246] I'm not burying the shortstop!!!!

For fuck's sake, it's a hypothetical question based upon a very plausible (inevitable, in fact) trajectory in the course of a player's career!!!

Why is everyone responding as if I'm demanding the man be benched indefinitely?

254 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:17 pm

Hey on the bright side an admirable performance by Sabathia. I know we all know this, but he is worth his weight in gold. Yes, his weight.

255 cult of basebaal   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:18 pm

Gentlemen, please, you can't fight in here, it's the War Room!

256 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:18 pm

[252] Again, that begs the question: if Chavez shows himself to be a consistent threat off the bench...

257 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:19 pm

[253] I think it's because you posited the idea at a time where it seemed to stem from not only the short sample size of the season this far, but maybe even from this game, in which no-one on the Yankees looked good at all.

If it wasn't in the middle of the game and you said in some mid-day, mid-week thread, "Hey I wonder ..." it probably wouldn't have set off the same alarms, (so to speak).

258 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:20 pm

[249] Status and pride are very, very hard to disentangle, but whatever.

I'm tired of petulant quibbles.


259 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:20 pm

[236] It's silly because it is a trivial situation. It's liek saying "at what point, if the game hangs on the line and you really want a ground ball to the right side of the IF..."

Who the hell plans tactics, personnel moves, etc. around "really needing a sac fly", or wondering how many games will be lost because a sac fly by a specific play in a specific situation will make the difference? It's silly.

Look, if we want to talk about PH for Jeter, then let's have a real discussion about it. You PH for bad offensive players with better offensive players...not with the player noted for his ability to deliver the decisive sac fly.

260 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:24 pm

[257] Sure, fair enough, it might have *seemed* like it was ill-inspired by a dominant Beckett performance but it wasn't, it was inspired by the fact that he had a poor season last year, seems at this point to be picking up where he left off and the presence of a potential legitimate bat off the bench, the kind of bat that really could make an impact not just by spelling Alex but bas a looming threat, the way, say, Strawberry was.

But forget it, I don't need this stress on top of the loss, I'm happy to shelve the discussion for another day.

You guys just tell me when it's ok to talk about without being silly.

261 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:25 pm

[259] Ffs, "sac fly" was just short hand for "scoring a run."

Whatever, I'm done.

262 Raf   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:26 pm

[259] It would not surprise me if Girardi had that info in his binder.

263 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:28 pm

[260] I think it's a question better asked in June, still. It's hard to really gauge where a player is at at this stage. April is just not the time to size up the season ... Ask AJ Burnett circa 2010.

264 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:28 pm

[261] Well, you asked "when", and I said above "ask me in a month or two." I would want to give the man at least a couple of months to see if he is hitting at least as well as last season (and it gives time to see if Chavez and Jones still have anything left in tank or aren't made of glass...we'll see for all three).

In a month or two if Jeter looks like Jeter 2010, I still probably don't PH for him. If he looks worse, then yeah, I'd pull him in tactical situations.

265 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:29 pm

[262] Another excellent observation!

266 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:29 pm

Just to close, mp, you write:

"Look, if we want to talk about PH for Jeter, then let’s have a real discussion about it. You PH for bad offensive players with better offensive players…not with the player noted for his ability to deliver the decisive sac fly."

I do want to have a "real discussion" about it.

Do you have anything of substance to offer to such a discussion?

When would YOU pinch hit for Jeter?

How can I frame the question to get something productive out of you? Tell me how and I'll do it.

267 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:30 pm

[264] Why couldn't you just say that at first?

268 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:33 pm

[264] Why was your first response a smart-assed quip invoking OYF?

Why couldn't you either try to cooperate with *me* or keep your peace?

269 Just Fair   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:34 pm

If and when Jeter is ever pinch hit for Beckett will still be a raging fucking douche.

270 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:36 pm

AJ Burnett of April 2010 is on the phone, he proudly accepts the Cy Young award.

I'm joking around! A little levity after watching The Grinch Whole Stole My Happiness (tonight).

271 The Hawk   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:37 pm

[269] The End.

272 monkeypants   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:45 pm

[266-268] As Hawk mentioned above, the tone and timing of your questioned struck a nerve...and obviously not just with me. It seemed like you were (over)reacting to the game tonight and/or following along with OYF, who has piling on Jeter with each AB this year. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

As for cooperating with you, I'm not sure what mean. You posed a question and I answered it (albeit misunderstanding your intent). I responded to subsequent "clarifications" that seemed only to further cloud the issue (e.g., invoking Jeter's pride)--again, obviously I misunderstood what you were getting at.

273 Diane Firstman   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:53 pm

Just got back from RUSH at MSG ... I guess I didn't miss much ... I hear Beckett pitched like 2008, and Jeter swung like he was age 2008.

Is that it in a nutshell?

274 thelarmis   ~  Apr 10, 2011 11:58 pm

[273] you lucky dog! a student of mine was there tonight! he's originally from NY, has a brother there still and is an airplane pilot, so it was somewhat easy for him to make the concert. i hope to see them when they play here, but i'm sooo crazy busy i'm not sure i will...

of course, there'll be at least 2 dvd's of this tour. i believe they're playing in cleveland next week and are recording that for release...

hope you had a *fantastic* time, diane!!!

275 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 11, 2011 12:01 am

[272] Thank you, mp. I realize tone is very hard to read over a screen. I'll try to clarify:

I wrote: "Also, I hate to bring this up, but at what point in the season/career is it ok to pinch it for Derek?"

I said "I hate to bring this up" because it's painful for me to pose the question because I love Derek as much as anyone and it's sad to me that we've reached (or are soon to) this (inevitable) question.

I realize my question seemed petulant, a response to a night where Beckett was simply dominant and it might have looked like I was picking on Jeter but really I was thinking about Chavez and what he might bring to the team.

By "cooperating" with me, I mean trying to understand the essence of the question I was posing rather than seizing on what was probably just a clumsy attempt to offer a concrete example ("needing a sacrifice fly") of a scenario in which, if things remain as they are now (IF--IF!!!), I would be frustrated if Girardi stuck with Jeter the way Torre stuck with his guys. (E.g., insisting on using Justice in 2002 over Shane Spencer in the PS.)

And in general, I find it uncooperative to dismiss someone's thought or question as "silly" without making any effort to reformulate in a productive way. It's condescending. You might have said, "While calling on a pinch hitter to hit a sacrifice fly might be a little unrealistic, it's certainly true that there are times in which it makes sense to pinch hit one batter for another, as to that, in the case of Jeter, my opinion is..."

Or whatever.

Maybe just please try not to be so dismissive when I'm trying to strike up a serious discussion.

But whatever, I'm tired and want to go to sleep. I, too am sorry for the misunderstandings. I'll try to be clearer both in tone and in framing my hypothetical questions in future, seriously.

Goodnight, mp.

276 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Apr 11, 2011 12:05 am

[272] Ok, sorry, one last thing! :)

The context of the sac fly was the bit about Derek having very little success getting hits in the air, having all or nearly all of his hits come on grounders, so I was imagining some kind of ninth inning, down by a run, runner on third kind of thing with a hard throwing closer.

Anyway, you couldn't have known what was in my head, of course. I'll try to be more forthcoming in future.

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