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Observations From Cooperstown: The Old Guard, Chavez, and Stone Gloves

So just how long should the Yankees wait before making some kind of move with Derek Jeter and/or Jorge Posada? While it’s become fashionable to proclaim both players as fully cooked and ready to begin their five-year waits for Hall of Fame consideration, those calls convey ignorance and a lack of knowledge about the Yankee organization. First off, it’s foolish to make full judgments based on the first month of the season. The same people that always cry out “sample size” conveniently forget about the principle when it involves players they don’t like. Jeter has been so reviled by some in the Sabermetric community that they’re ready to drop the guillotine at a moment’s notice.

His critics will quickly add that Jeter’s poor performance is a continuation of his 2010 finish, but his overall 2010 numbers were hardly as bad as what he’s done early in 2011. On the whole, Jeter was a passable player in 2010. So let’s give it more than a month before we proclaim a death knell. I would suggest the Yankees give Jeter at least until the end of May, if not until the middle of June, before they drop him to a lower spot in the batting order. And if his lack of hitting continues beyond that, let’s say into July, then it would certainly be fair for the Yankees to consider removing him entirely from the starting lineup.

There is another reason to have patience. Who exactly is ready to step in to become the starting shortstop? Bucky Dent and Tony Kubek are not available. Eduardo Nunez’ throwing problems make it clear that he’s not ready NOW; he might be later this season, he might be in 2012, but he’s clearly not ready at the present time. Ramiro Pena, starting at Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes Barre, is an excellent defensive shortstop but isn’t likely to represent any improvement over Jeter’s current hitting. Are Yankee fans really ready to wade through a bottom-third of the lineup that has both Pena and Brett Gardner? I know I’m not.

Then there’s the case of Posada, who’s coming off a respectable season in 2010. Would it be smart to give up on Posada so quickly, especially when he’s at least shown significant power over the first 30 games? I don’t think so. I would suggest a similar timetable with Posada. If he’s still struggling badly at the end of May, it would be fair to consider a platoon with another player, perhaps Andruw Jones. And if Posada is still struggling into July, and the Yankees are in danger of falling out of contention, then yes, it might be the right time for a total replacement.

In the case of Posada, the Yankees DO have tangible replacement options. Jones is one; the other is super prospect Jesus Montero, who is close to being ready to hit in the major leagues, if not handle regular catching duties. (Montero is finally drawing a few walks and has his batting average up to .372.) Montero could be just what an aging offense needs, particularly if Jeter’s punchless hitting continues. The problem with demoting Posada is what to do with him? Teams do not need backup DH’s who cannot play the field and cannot run the bases. Unless the Yankees change their mind about using Posada as a backup catcher, he could become a roster albatross by the middle of the summer.

It’s certainly possible that Posada and Jeter, who’s been nicknamed “Captain Groundout” by Rob Neyer, might be done as useful players. It’s just too early in a long season to draw that conclusion once and for all. So let’s give it a little more time before we make them walk the plank…


Perhaps it was just a matter of time before Eric Chavez returned to the disabled list, ala the brittle Nick Johnson in 2010. But it is strange the way that he broke a bone in his foot while running the bases on Thursday afternoon. Chavez did not step awkwardly on the second base bag. He didn’t trip, or even stumble. He did not collide with another player. And yet, he still suffered a small fracture in his left foot, one that figures to put him on the shelf for at least two weeks, if not longer. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player break his foot while simply running out an extra-base hit.

Thankfully, the Yankees can call on the kind of superior depth at Scranton that I’ve been harping about all spring long. Jorge Vazquez, off to a roaring start at Triple-A, deserves a promotion to the Bronx ahead of Pena, who just cannot hit, and prospect Brandon Laird, who needs to play every day. Vazquez doesn’t have Chavez’ defensive skills, but he can play the same two positions (third base and first base) and has legitimate power, good for nine home runs in 110 at-bats for Scranton. In the short term, I could see Vazquez having the same kind of impact that Shelley Duncan did as a mid-season call-up in 2007. (By the way, has anyone noticed that “Slam” Duncan is doing his part for the upstart Indians, slugging .500 in a part-time role?) The first time around, at least until opposing pitchers discover his weaknesses, Vazquez could give the Yankees the same kind of bench boost that Chavez had supplied over the first month.

And I’ll be rooting for him. A ten-year veteran of the Mexican League, Vazquez is 28 and has never appeared in a major league game. I hope that latter fact will change shortly, perhaps as soon as this weekend in Texas…


Over at The Hardball Times, I’ve written a piece about the worst defensive players at each position dating back to the 1950s. A number of ex-Yankees made the list, including Cliff Johnson (at catcher), Jason Giambi (at first base), Curt Blefary (as a utility man), and Tommy John (at pitcher). Other players, like Jim Ray Hart and Dave Kingman, played only briefly for the Bombers after establishing their defensive ineptitude elsewhere.

So who’s the worst Yankee defensive player you’ve ever seen? Does anyone in the group go back to the days of Hector Lopez? How about Rich McKinney, who once made four errors in a game at third base? Or does one of the current Yankees deserve consideration?

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1 Diane Firstman   ~  May 6, 2011 10:49 am

Worst Yankee defenders? Mel Hall, Marcus Thames.

2 Jon Kantrowitz   ~  May 6, 2011 10:54 am

Worst defender - a second baseman who couldn't make the throw to first!

The Yankees need to send Nunez back to Scranton to play every day and bring Vazquez up with Pena.

3 Alex Belth   ~  May 6, 2011 11:05 am

Chuck Knoblauch, left field.

4 Jon Kantrowitz   ~  May 6, 2011 11:11 am

Yes, I just couldn't bring myself to type his name.

5 Andyroo   ~  May 6, 2011 11:17 am

Worst case of the "yips" EVAH.

6 Sliced Bread   ~  May 6, 2011 11:19 am

I'd say the worst Yankee defender would be anyone who defended the decision to put Tony Womack in left. He may not have been the worst Yankee ever to field the position, but as a hitter he had to be among the all-time worst corner outfielders.

7 Alex Belth   ~  May 6, 2011 11:30 am

Reggie wasn't great in right when he was with the Yanks but he was more horseshit than the worst ever.

8 luketgelber   ~  May 6, 2011 11:50 am

Posada's BABIP is .133, which is preposterously unlucky. They would be morons to sit him right now.

9 Sliced Bread   ~  May 6, 2011 3:31 pm

[7] yeah, similar to Hideki. Heroic slugger, bad outfielder.

10 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2011 3:45 pm

On Jeter:
Looking at MLB SSs, middle of the pack is about a .675 OPS. Of course, considering Jeter's D, with a .675 OPS, he would still be well less then an 'average' SS. I read an analysis that said due to lack of range, Jeter gives up 50-100 BHs that an avg-to-elite SS gets to. So if Jeter allows an extra 60 BHs, is this that much different, run-wise, then making 50 errors?

If Jeter isn't up to a ,675 OPS by the end of the month, I play Nunez.

On Posada:
Well... at least we don't have to worry about his D. Realistically, you want at least an .800 OPS from a DH. I mean, a DH should be a big bat, yes? And I think Jesus is likely to have an .800 OPS. The problem is, if Po doesn't DH everyday, he is basically retired... used as a BP coach and mentor to Jesus. With his .611 OPS, he is easily the worst DH in baseball. If he isn't over .700 by the end of May, you have to go to Jesus.

We are in a dogfight for the PS. Even the WC isn't given. Will the Yankees punt on the PS to sooth a few egos?

11 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2011 3:50 pm

By the way, these 2 have an OPS+ of 62 and 67. For comparison, our underpeforming, Gritty LFer, he of great speed and elite defense, has an OPS+ of 105.

12 joejoejoe   ~  May 6, 2011 9:10 pm

Shane Spencer. It was when he was batting about .800 or something with every other hit being a home run. A fly ball when out to him in the field, he didn't move, and it dropped in front of him. Somebody yelled out something like 'Hey Spencer, you field like your statue'. That was a good time.

13 Jon Kantrowitz   ~  May 7, 2011 8:47 am

RE: DEREK JETER: In Phil Rizzuto's last year he batted 9th = after the pitcher!

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