Just what does $161 million equate to?
Posted on Dec 10, 2008 7:43 pm
By Diane Firstman
As an admitted (but not recovering) math geek, I decided to take a look at just what the Yankees would be getting for their investment in C.C. Sabathia.
Based on his seasonal averages to date, and assuming Sabathia stays for all seven seasons, here’s the breakdown (hmm …. perhaps I could have chosen a different word there … oh well).
Annual average salary: $23,000,000
Per win (based on 15 per year): $1,533,333.33
Per game (based on 34 per year): $676,470.59
Per inning pitched (based on 222 per year):$103,603.60
Per strikeout (based on 186 per year): $123,655.91
Per batter faced (based on 27.15 per game): $24,918.74
Per pitch thrown (based on 99.4 per game): $6,808.40
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Still worth it. I maintain that Sabathia saves any chance the Yankees have in 2009. Without him we would have been done.
What is not worth it, of course, is 90 million over five years for AJ Burnett
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3761008
Yikes. That’s scary as Burnett is just not my cup of tea. And for five years, he’s REALLY not my bag.
Now, if the Yanks are giving out deals like this, I would hope this indicates that they aren’t stopping here and are eager to add some hitters to this team as well.
[2] It’s funny, but a lot of smart people really like Burnett. Still, I am in the same boat of secretly hoping he signs with the Braves. On the other hand, I do keep having momentary lapses in which I imagine the good Burnett in a rotation with Wang, Sabathia and Joba, and that makes me think it would be worth the risk. If the rumored deals about Lowe and Perez and Sheets are true, then maybe Burnett is worth that much? Economy or not, the market for pitching is still bullish, as John Sterling was telling Carlos Silva just the other day.
I wouldn’t want Burnett on a one-year deal. I wouldn’t want Burnett for free. I wouldn’t want Burnett in a puddle in a bottle on a poodle eating noodles. I do not want Burnett with ham. I do not want him, Sam I Am.
Cliff, would you have at least have a CATCH with the man?
LOL.
Yeah, I’m so not into the dude. But I have lapsed into a similar daydream as william–actually, I’ve done it even without the addition of Burnett–and that’s the notion of a Yankee pitching staff with STUFF!
Now, what about the offense?
Do you guys think they’ll make a serious run at Manny?
E@#$ reports that the friggen Washington Nationals! have offered Tex 8 yrs/$160M… if he signs, I’ll assume it’s because there’s an opt-out after three months…
[5] I’ll bet it would be a Catch-22… (yeah, I seddit…>;)
[5] Yes…I think things are setting up for them to go after Manny, which I would obviously love to see. Give me Manny and one more pitcher (plus Andy) and I am ready for Opening Day.
AJ Burnett=Jaret Wright
Cliff, I hate him too, but I’m curious as to why you wouldn’t want him on a 1-year deal (note I agree, I’m just wondering what your reasoning is)?
How much per World Series Ring? At least 80.5 million. Or maybe 53. 6 million to get a tad greedy Not zero for cripes sakes. I am pretty pyched to have C.C. He’s going to make Boomer look like Edwar if that makes any sense. My right hand info. bar still cuts into my comment box. I just typed into Luis Guzman’s stadium memory.
If Manny really won’t sign for fewer than six years, then I’m pretty sure we’ll never see him in pinstripes. Rumor is, though, that there aren’t any nibbles. For three years, I’d pay him, no doubt. And I’d look forward to hearing the BOOOOs at Fenway punctuated by the THWACK of maple on leather.
[4] Burnett bugs me b/c he looks like such a grinchy s.o.b. I hope he winds up in Atlanta.
[9] There are lots of arguments against Burnett, but that one is simply not fair. Jaret Wright was never close to the pitcher that Burnett is.
[12] That loug clang of balls bouncing off the green monster would be nice too (assuming they don’t go over or through).
Oye; I’m not even one to say not to Burnett in any circumstance, but five frigin years close to 90 frigin million frigin dollars is absotivly frigin posolutly frigin batshit insane. From the ESPN article, “Although the total dollar figure isn’t known, Burnett’s agent, Darek Braunecker, is believed to be seeking a deal approaching Carlos Zambrano’s five-year, $91.5 million contract with the Chicago Cubs.” Mustn’t this be where we get off the damn train. Back that money up to Tex’s house, if it’s burning a hole in your pocket, but please. AJ ain’t as good when healthy, nor nearly as durable as Big-Z.
These guys must be kidding us. And I was fretting about Lowe for 66/4… Come on Andy, accept that offer, take away the AJ impetus!!!
If Teixeira signs with the Nationals for 8/160, it will be an incredibly foolish move for both parties.
I’ve been thinking about CC’s opt-out clause all day, and I’ve decided that there actually is an upside for the Yankees. The worst-case scenario is that CC sucks for seven years, but I think the chances of that are slim. Much more likely is that CC’s contribution will be front-loaded – that is, he’ll be terrific for the next few years, but declining in the last few years. If he breaks down because of weight or whatever, it’s more likely to happen at 33 than at 29; and in any case, he’s much more likely to be worth the money at the beginning than at the end.
And that’s exactly what the opt-out protects the Yankees against.
are the padres rebuilding? what would it take to get gonzalez?
If the Nats are offering 8/160 then surely the Angels, Red Sox or Yankees will trump that offer…
And don’t call me Shirley.
JL, I’m assuming you didn’t read my last post (“Can You Dig It, CC?”). I say a very similar thing.
Tommy, I might have been exaggerating for effect, but he did walk 86 men last year, post a roughly league average ERA, and was below league average when you take away his starts against the Yankees. Beyond that, I have an intense irrational dislike of him dating back to his Marlins days. I can’t stand looking at him, much less being in a position in which I’m forced to root for him. The Yankees could get the same production in 2009 out of Pettitte, whom I’m already conditioned to root for. I just hate the idea of a Burnett deal in every way possible.
Good thought on Adrian Gonzalez. He’d be a monster outside of Petco. The Yankees should definitely be targeting him via trade. With CC on board, I’d give up Kennedy and ex-Padre X.Nady to get him, just to throw a couple of names out there.
[19] You’re right. And apparently you think a lot faster than I do.
Gonzalez is signed through his arb years, 3 more years (including an option) for a total of $13.25M. I can’t imagine why the Padres would want to trade him. If they did, Kennedy and Nady should be the throw-ins, not the main attraction.
[15] seriously..it makes NO sense at all to come near Burnett with that deal..why not sign Adam Dunn to play 1B/DH,they guy is guranteed to hit 40-45 taters with the short-porch…
The Nationals offer to Tex..is that a joke?? Do they just have the pigeon guy outside Union Station running the team there now??
Tex is a Baltimore native, so the Nats are trying to capitalize on some sort of home-field advantage. A lineup with Tex, Zimmerman, Milledge, Dukes, and Willingham would have some serious potential, particularly as three of those guys haven’t turned 25 yet. It’s not the worst idea ever . . . for the Nats. Tex would be a fool to sign there, however.
[21] Nah, I think this is the shoe-shine guy’s fault…
See what you mean about the potential of that lineup, but that is a BAD team..Tex alone at that salary really seems excessive..
I wish just once a player would come out and admit it though, “yeah, i signed here for the money, who cares where you play when you get $XXX?”
[22] Yep. If he supposedly had issues with A-Rod, then Dukes and Milledge would represent an upgrade?
[23] hey Chyll, got any funky 70s fusion in your collection? pulled out HeadHunters for first time in ages last night, had to dance round the shoe-box apartment…Gary Bartz on deck for this evening…
[25]I know about Dukes, but what exactly did Milledge do to get a bad rep?? me thinks we got some double standards going on here…ahem..
[26] Thrust! i still need to get the double live Flood cd. i think it was a Jap import way back when. it’s probably standard issue now and remastered, to boot…not sure.
i’ve got Eric Dolphy The Illinois Concert on right now! it’s a Blue Note cd, live in ‘63 w/ Herbie on piano…
welcome CC!
say NO to AJ!
c’mon back Andrew Eugene and your giant honker!
yo Ca$h: SIGN TEX!!! …or, at least DUNN!!!
something tells me we’ll be getting a CF’er somehow – ankiel, cameron…
[28] you said it Elvin! That Dolphy is awesome..damn, why are they always taken away so early?? and for Dolphy there were no drugs, booze or pills..what a shame…
really gets interesting with Pettite now..really hope they sign him instead of AJ, obviously..
christ, the Muts just got JJ Putz. guess he doesn’t mind being a setup man. it was a 3-team trade w/ the M’s & Tribe. lotsa player movement there. 7 inning games at the new Shea.
[29] yeah man, what a horrible loss about Dolphy so early. he’s soooo unique and distinctive. more intention than anyone!
[30] really?? Putz and K-Rod in the 8th and 9th..barring injury that’s going to be quite a bullpen..in fact Putz at his peak is better than K-Rod!
Dolphy really Was unique..immediately identifiable, just like when you hear Monk on piano..no other sound like it in jazz (and in Monk’s case probably the universe!)
[26] But of course… keep going on the Herbie Hancock vein (Mr. Hands!) and Donald Byrd. Then if you want to include certain funk bands like Brass Construction, Con-Funk-Shun and Graham Central Station, I wouldn’t object. And if you have those, you have WAR. Going back to Jazz fusion, I have a few Miles and Stanley Clarke standards, Weather Report and maybe Roy Ayers Ubiquity fits? But Herbie, Donald and Miles are my favorites in this class…
As for Milledge, from what I understand he wore out his welcome with the Mets front office and veterans by continually defying “player protocol” (a rookie must know his place, after all!) and adopting a laissez-faire approach to preparing for ballgames. The fans liked him for being like the wide receiver who jumps into the stands after a touchdown, but when his production tumbled off a cliff, the Mets had a firm reason for moving him. So yeah, he wasn’t unstable like Dukes, but he wasn’t as special as he thought himself to be either, and thus the bad rep.
if this is all correct, Muts got Putz, Jeremy Reed & Sean Green. they gave up Heilman, Endy Chavez, Joe Smith and Mike Carp, between the M’s & Indians.
i love that about Dolphy. even with all those great soloists on Andrew Hill’s excellent Point of Departure record. as soon as Dolphy’s plays his opening line, you can’t help but stop everything you’re doing, turn around and stare at the stereo in complete befuddlement. he is simply mesmerizing! do you have the 9cd box set on Prestige?
[28] Boy, you and Jazz get around. All I got is the popular well-known stuff my brother gave me. I need to listen to WBGO at night much-much more…
Did I say I’m glad CC made his decision? And not just because he’s choosing the Yanks, but he did it in a very well-informed and impressive manner, despite my own grumpiness. Well done, brotha!
[32] i’m a BIG Donald Byrd fan! but, really, only his hard bop stuff from the 50’s & 60’s. i’m sorta scared off of his later, electric, funky stuff, esp. w/ vocals. but perhaps one day i’ll check into some of that material; at least, the stuff on Blue Note. he’s such an outstanding musician, i’m sure it’s all great – just a matter if i’d like it. i’m more in a straight-ahead faze right now…
[33] Hmm, Endy and Joe Smith is some blood-letting there. Smart getting rid of Heilman for Putz, but who are the other two they get? Well, if they manage to hold a lead to the eighth, they’re set. Now, would you use Putz as the setup and close with K-Rod, or the other way around?
[32] yep, I can see being a Donald Byrd-man…Miles though transcends the fusion label, so much more mysterious, deep and inter-planetary (to reference his majesty Sun Ra)..ever hear “Lonely Fire” from the Bitches Brew box-set?
[33] Great trade for the Amazins..
agree about Dolphy completely, though nothing tops John Coltrane’s entry on “Teo” from Miles’ “Someday My Prince Will Come” album..just breathtaknig..
[34] once you dive in it becomes all-consuming..went through a 7 year spell when bought nothing but jazz..coincidentally i have very little savings now..
jazz tokyo – i JUST listened to the Someday My Prince Will Come remastered cd Sunday night! i’m afraid, i’m once again in the all jazz consuming vortex – economy (and my savings account) be damned! : o
one would think bavasi never left the seattle GM post! ; )
[31] Whoooah! I am far from Krod’s biggest fan, but I know JJ Putz, JJ Putz is his a friend of someone, and JJ Putz is no Krod!!
Keep in mind, Putz is already 31 years old! After two very good seasons, he had a mediocre and injury plagued season in 2008. I am not so sure Putz will be much of an upgrade over Heilman, who is younger and has no injury history.
[39] nice! just stunning performances by Trane on that record..my uncle saw him live at the V.Vanguard back in 1961, the gigs that were later released in the 5-cd set. He for people in the crowd it was like sitting at the feet of Jesus…
[40] I don’t know the Mets prospects at all..should Seattle have held out for more??
[35] Some of that later stuff made it’s way into some classic hip-hop tracks (Stetsasonic did a remix of “Talkin’ All That Jazz” with a sample from “Falling Like Dominoes”, which is what the FA market is now about to do) and Tribe Called Quest used a sample from… I think it was “Wind Parade”, both on his album “Places & Spaces” which I found years ago at a garage sale for a dollar. More recently if you will, his Wiki page says he teamed up with Guru from Gang Starr for the track “Loungin’” on Guru’s “Jazzmatazz” album (which I admit I haven’t heard completely :( …
my man Hank Mobley is on a lot of the …Prince album…
ah, i could be off on the trade. carp, is probably a power potential guy. M’s will probably look at heilman for the rotation. M’s also ended up getting Franklin Guitierrez from the Tribe, who got Joe Smith from the Muts…
[43] thanks for the 411, Chyll !!! right now, i’m awaiting one Byrd cd in the mail and there are 3 more on my list to pick up. at this rate, i’ll be buying them very very soon! beyond that, i’ll have to check and see what other titles of his – if any – i’ll be seeking out…
With all the Dolphy talk and me mentioning Byrd, I also noticed on Byrd’s wiki that he performed with Dolphy two weeks before Dolphy died. But you guys probably knew that already…
[42] I’d heard good things about carp, IIRC. Apparently the Muts can sure pick em, they just can’t keep em.
[41] saw Putz often the last few seasons (many Ms games on here of course) and he can really deal..his velocity was back toward the end of the season, no reason he can’t be a great 8th-inning guy and fill-in closer?
[43] yes, i think “Dominoes” was sampled a LOT in the 80s..Jazzmatazz was nice, shame about current hip-hop though…most of it unlistenable to me..oh god, did i turn into Don Zimmer without realizing it??
[42] I actually think Seattle did very well here. They get Franklin Gutierrez from Cleveland and Heilman from the Mets along with quantity that could turn out one useful major leaguer in exchange for a 31 year old reliever coming off an injury plaqued year. Cleveland also did ok in picking up Joe Smith, a young reliever who has been solid in his two major league seasons.
I actually hate this deal for the Mets. They are buying Putz 2006 and 2007 seasons, but that may be a thing of the past.
Apparently $161 million gets you good banter about jazz! >;) Gotta go to bed, though. Stupid weather up here is conniving to get me sick again, and wouldn’t you know… g’nite!
[47] He was throwing well at the end of the year, but he will be 32 before the season starts and is coming off of elbow trouble. That’s a major red flag to me.
Also, keep in mind that the Yankees had another 30-something right hander who could really deal. His name was Kyle Farnsworth.