Supper
Posted on Jun 21, 2009 1:24 pm
By Alex Belth
We never had supper growing up. We ate dinner. I always thought supper was earlier. All the Catholic kids I knew ate supper, at 4:00 in the afternoon. We didn’t eat until 8:00.
Anyhow, strange start time this afternoon, 5:00 p.m. That’s still tea time as far as I’m concerned. But it works out well for me, as I’m out this afternoon at a dance recital. Going to watch little kids dance to John Lennon songs. Doubt I’ll see the second grade interpretive variation of “Mother” (pity), but it should be fun all the same. Beauty part is I get home in time to catch the game.
Tough loss last night. I’m with Cliff–the Yanks should have won that game. Down a run and two shots at Florida’s bullpen…that’s a game the Yanks need to win.
CC brings the funk for the Yanks today. Have to imagine they’ll swing the bats and he’ll take care of the rest.
Let’s Go Yan-Kees!
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Here’s hoping for a relatively complaint free game thread. I have a good ol’ fashioned baseball debate question, to get the debate rolling:
What should the Yankees do when Molina is ready to return? I say they should keep Cervelli with the big club, which means releasing or trading Molina.
I think Cervelli is better cerved in Scranton, where he’ll get more starts and a lot more PAs.
Two provisos, though. First, maybe Posada can only start 2/3 of the remaining games. In that case Frankie gets enough game to improve. And second, maybe the Yankees could get something valuable for Molina, in which case that would tip the scales. (Who out there in MLB needs a catcher?)
[2] Yeah, it’s a tough call because I think that the team is btter (but probably not by much) with Cervelli than Molina. But if it’s a toss up, then better to send Cervelli to AAA.
I sense that it would be hard to get much of anything for Molina, esp. with his contract, unless the team in question were really, really desperate for catching help.
Maybe Torre could be convinced that he needs someone like Molina…that is, unless the Dodgers get Cairo to satisfy whatever Torre may have.
Speaking of catchers, did you see this?
SOURCES: YANKEES SIGN DOMINICAN CATCHER GARY SANCHEZ FOR $2.5M
Said to be not the hitter that Montero is, but quite a prospect.
I don’t think Boston has any catching prospects. We’re brimming with them now. It will be an interesting situation when Mauer hits free agency.
yeah it probably boils down to a) trade molina or b) send cervelli down to aaa.
surely someone needs a buc – molina is only owed the rest of this year (about 1 million for half the year, if necessary the yanks could pick-up part of that i suppose)
i doubt anyone wants c) keep all 3 with the big club.
i could see, and understand a or b.
petey says aj’s suspension got knocked down to 5 games which starts today – meaning he cannot make his friday start.
can hughes make it or do you just move cc up a day with monday off?
Now that you mention (c), it helps me see another advantage of sending Cervelli to Scranton, namely, that he could be brought back for the play-offs. Small advantage — and of course, the priority is to make the play-offs…
[6] I think you just bump cc on normal rest and have aj go Saturday. Then Wang on normal rest on Sunday.
[6] I bet they move CC up with the off day. Unfortunately, Hughes has been used for only one inning each of the last couple appearances (IIRC), so it might be tough to stretch him to a start. Plus, I imagine they want him available to shadow Wang for another few starts until they are sure he’s back to form.
[6] The latter, I bet.
For what it’s worth, I did some quick calculations. In MLB history going back to 1900, there have been 2196 team-seasons (i.e., the 1990 Cardinals, 1901 Cardinals, etc.). In these nearly 2200 team-seasons, only 92 have won 100 games (4%), and only 246 have won 95 games (11%).
I didn’t look at the percentages for 162 game v. 154 game season, but overall this shows how relatively rare it is for teams to win that many games in a season. I mention this for information purposes only, of course, though in the back of my mind I think about such things as expectations.
[3][5] Stirring the pot a little more, let’s forget other factors such as player development. Who is the better player right now, Molina or Cervilli?
Cervelli brings more to the table offense/defense than Molina. If their primary goal is to win this season, Cervelli should continue to be the backup catcher. If Posada’s health weren’t fragile, I would trade Molina, but since it is, I would make him the 3rd string catcher and DFA Berroa.
[13] If that’s the plan, I would not carry three catcher-I would then send Cervilli to AAA and keep Molina. Of course, Berroa has not played much (except for A-Rod injurygate), so it probably doesn’t matter of they carry three catchers or two catchers and a Berroa.
[14] It’s often said that the Yankees have needed to get younger or more athletic. Cervelli’s play epitomizes those two words, while Molina is basically the anti-thesis. But as you said, Berroa is a non-entity, so the choice of keeping a 3rd catcher can await a more difficult roster decision.
[12] in what we have seen – cervelli.
also i think it is fairly safe to say molina has pretty much shown his legs will break down if he is used too mcuh – so he has to be used sort of sparingly.
i suppose there are worse things than carrying 3 catchers, but i would prefer the roster spot be used for something more valuable than a 3rd catcher. i guess if nady is ready soon much of this is a mute point.
[16] While appreciate the invocation of “mute” : ), I am skeptical of Nady’s return. I have a Yankees-rushing-a-player-back feeling.
That said, if he comes back and can play, then Berroa/Molina or Gardner/Melky better be looking over their shoulders, because someone is getting the axe.
i don’t have “supper” either. it’s always “dinner.” and it’s always late, too…
knowing the Yanks, we’ll prolly keep 3 catchers. if it helps us get rid of Berroa…
[17] it was in your honor :}
yeah who knows about nady – i am not holding my breath waiting for him to come back and be productive. but if the rehab reports have any merit, it is a decent possibility he comes back and does something.
and even if it ends up being a yankee rushed back player with the end result of him being brought back even if it is rushed, some roster move will be made.
Sending Cervelli down makes the most sense of those four (Molina, Gardner, Melky the others). Molina would have to be DFAed. It might be possible to trade Gardner, come to think of it. But I’m afraid they would trade him for bullpen help, which would be a waste.
I think Molina can contribute marginally more than Cervelli if it’s just a matter of this season. The difference is small, though, and it would surprise me if Molina turned out to suck. (This year and 2007: hit significantly better than Cervelli is hitting; 2008: significantly worse.)
Oops, [20} “It would not surprise me if…”
(You all must have thought I’d taken leave of my senses.)
Funny, we always had dinner, but it was always early. I don’t know if that’s because my family is Catholic or because my dad used to work really early and then get home and late afternoon (and want to eat).
Braves just tied up Boston!
[20] I agree regarding Melky/Gardner: both seem to have played well enough to earn the good graces (and platoon time) of the coaching staff. However, when Nady comes back you know he’s going to be on the team. That makes five OFs (plus Matsui), which the Yankees have been unwilling to carry for most of this season. They seem driven to carry two BU IF, and now that A-Rod looks like he needs to be spotted more often (i.e, ever), I doubt they want to go down to one BU IF.. If they go with three catchers, something has to give.
In the end, I guess Cervelli will probably be sent down, then called up again in September, or when Molina gets hurt again.
“In the end, I guess Cervelli will probably be sent down, then called up again in September, or when Molina gets hurt again.”
Yes.
Fat Papi with another strikeout. he homered today, but i thoroughly enjoyed watching his last 2 swinging k’s.
[25] Hey, thelarmis, I’ll be at Thursday’s Yankees Braves game….are you going? I’ll be in the terrace reserved (I think it’s section 226) wearing a Derek Jeter road jersey and a Yankee hat. If you see me please say hello.
(The poster formerly known as Jeb)
[26] awesome, jeb! yeah man, i’ll be there! i’m sitting in section 138. it’s field level, left field, near the Yanks bullpen. you’re one level up on the other side of the ‘pen, so we’re pretty close.
we should definitely meet up! i might try and go early and catch BP. not sure what i’ll be wearing, but it’ll be a Yankees shirt of some kind and quite possibly a Yanks hat. i’ve got a long pony tail, so that should be a dead giveaway! : )
Papbelbon high wire act. Nick Green. Pesky Pole. Barf.
[26] he might need more info than that. I’d think Jeter jerseys are common.
papelbitch got in trouble in the 9th, but matt diaz bailed him out swinging at a pitch about 17 feet about his head.
1st pitch of the bottom half, and nick green, of all people, hit one out, *just* inside that ridiculous pesky pole. sux win.
total bollocks.
I’m really starting to hate Nick Green…
[31] You can hate him, but you can only hope to contain him…
[32] I’m sorry, but .292, .341, .442, .783 at the bottom of that order are well beyond “overachieving,” even for someone we can only hope to contain…
Who does he think he is anyway, Scott Brosius?
: )
i would keep cervelli up and do away with molina because cervelli seems to be better at everything, and can even pinch run if needed. and since we don’t plan on cervelli ever really being the everyday catcher (see [4]), i don’t really worry about whether catching more in aaa is marginally better for his development than staying up.
Nick Green is having quite a year, isn’t he?
He’s got an identical twin brother, who used to be a minor leaguer in the Braves system, and is now a model.
I think Frankie gets sent down, if they don’t carry three catchers. Posada’s health is so fragile, they need an extra catcher. If not on the roster, then easily called up from Scranton. They don’t want to be in the position they were in last year, desperately hoping Chad Moeller clears waivers.
[29] you’re right, my jersey has #2 on it.
(Sorry just kidding)
I don’t know what to say other than I’m 6′ 4″ and I’ll be making like a bleacher creature yelling, “John-ny Da-mon!”
[36] haha. enjoy the game!
[36] dude, you “stole” my idea!!! i’m planning on doing the bleacher creature chants, as well! we should definitely figure it out and meet up. 6′4″ is TALL!!! between your height and my hair, it shouldn’t be too hard. maybe we’ll designate a time and meet in the concourse by one of our sections, or something…
[35] that is definitely odd about nick green and his brother!
All right, Team, here we go. And may I say, 90 degrees and 73% humidity is simply unacceptable.
that strike call is unacceptable
[40] Michael Kay failing to realize he is in a tropical climate is unacceptable…
: )
Swisher and Matsui both have this strange, sweep-type swing. When they follow through, their wrists don’t seem to follow the swing.
Nice job, Swisher.
Spanky McSkittles!
I’ll take the 4 seasons of upstate (western) Ny weather above any other. 90+ degree weather for more than a day or two at time would drive me insane. Hey, Swish.
[46] Having spent several years in South Florida Just Fair, it’s nice to wear shorts around during Christmas Time. However, dodging hurricanes every year with their storm surges and 6-10″ of accompanying rain at sea level isn’t all it’s cracked up to be…
I prefer temperate zones, too.
: )
Hold down the fort. Go Yankees. Time for steak and wine with the old man. Dinnersuppereatschowtime. : )
Wasting a Swisher double is unacceptable.
[47] I was in Orlando for a week in January about 10 years ago. I just couldn’t get over it. Bizarre to know it was January and it was freakin’ hot.