"A New York Treasure" --Village Voice


Jered Weaver has been the Angels’ best starter this year but inconsistent of late. He was 7-2 with a 2.08 ERA on June 14, but in his four starts since then, he’s posted a 7.23 ERA with the Angels dropping two of those games. He’d not allowed a home run in his previus six starts, but has allowed five taters in those last four. On the season, Weaver’s home ERA has been more than a two and a half runs lower than his road mark, but he’s been succeptable to lefty bats, allowing them to slug .484.

That’s one reason that Eric Hinske is getting the start in right field this afternoon and Brett Gardner is starting in center, though both are replacing switch-hitters. The rest of the Yankee lineup behind Andy Pettitte is the usual suspects, with Hideki Matsui batting fifth followed by Jorge Posada.

Andy Pettitte starts for the Yankees. Andy’s been alternating good and bad starts since May and is due for a good one after walking five and giving up six runs in six innings to the Blue Jays in his last outing. Pettitte’s road ERA is three runs better than his home mark, which is another reason to feel good about his chances this afternoon.

Pettitte and Weaver faced off in the Bronx on May Day. Neither was sharp as they combined to walk seven men and strike out four. Weaver was slightly better, but the Yankees came out on top by scoring six runs in the final two innings for yet another walk-off win. Of the three Angel relievers who gave up those six runs, only closer Brian Fuentes is still on the Halos’ 25-man roster.

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1 Horace Clarke Era   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:00 pm

Moving this from earlier thread:

Monkey: "But the evidence from this season seems to indicate that meaningful, multi-inning opportunities are frequent, especially in this era of starts averaging around 6 innings/start. "

I hear you. I also have a feeling there's gonna be some changes made...

I do believe the plan is to get Hughes up towards his 130-140 innings, and that WILL require not just longer relief, but a return to the rotation. It is also possible he and Joba could flip roles. Flip back roles. Back flip roles. Roll into back flips.

2 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:04 pm

[1] As long as he doesn't start flipping roles with Joba in the score truck.
I'm not ever sure what that means.

3 rbj   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:05 pm

Ah, Mudhens double header tonight, followed by fireworks. IIRC, most 2xs are split so I should see at least one win.

I've got no idea about Joba anymore, unless it really is growing pains.

4 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:07 pm

well, let's get this score truck started!


5 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:08 pm

the Muts traded Church for Frenchy and signed Angel Berroa for their triple-A squad. i'm sooo glad i'm NOT a Muts fan! : )

6 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:10 pm

[5] One potential negative--if someone picked up Berroa, then surely Ransom would be claimed (the Yankees will thank), so we better not DFA him.

7 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:14 pm

pretty silly to boo Tex. whatever.

8 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:16 pm

score truck!!!

he crushed it. sounded beautiful off the bat!!!

9 rbj   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:16 pm

A-Rod's on that score truck!

10 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:16 pm


11 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:17 pm

#569. ties Palmeiro.

12 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:17 pm


13 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:18 pm

[9] [10] my truck gets better mileage than yours! ; )

i hope Andy's a golden god today! (hi weeping!)

14 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:18 pm

When the game's on FOX (so I'm watching actual television instead of my computer screen) I sometimes forget to check in at Banter. But as soon as that A-Bomb went off, I suddenly wanted to see if anyone mentioned the score truck... not disappointed!

15 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:21 pm

[14] i'm the opposite. my computer is completely free to type away!

score truck?

16 Just Fair   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:21 pm

Man, this is the first game I've been able to watch since last Sat. mmmmmm.......live Yankees.

17 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:22 pm

I just noticed--no Buck/McCarver. Score Truck for me!!!

18 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:22 pm

Apparently, there are troubles getting and staying ahead in the count these days...

19 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:22 pm

Not Excellent!

Never walk anyone named Chone.

20 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:23 pm

[13] Well, it's certainly faster, though I'm not sure that's a good thing for the score truck.

21 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:23 pm

I got Cubs/Cards on FOX here... click, so it's Ma and Pa Pinstripe today.

22 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:25 pm

Woohoo Gritner!

23 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:25 pm


24 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:25 pm

nice play!

25 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:26 pm

Wow, he was out! I really didn't think so until that definitive replay angle.

26 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:26 pm

yeah, it's sooo nice to actually get to see the yankees live on tv. i'm also thankful for no buck/timmay.

[15] get with the program, will ya?! ; )

someone (Hank?) wrote "score truck" in a post, then an addendum stating he had NO idea what he even meant! it became an instant classic. i think it's gonna stick!!!

WEB GEM for Gritner. shoulda been a DP. that sucks. i hope we get a call in our favor later in this game.

here's boBBy

27 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:26 pm

Did he actually catch that? Yep, replay looks good.

But, bad call at 1B. He was out two ways: foot on the bag and Teix inadvertently tagged him. Par for the course in recent days.

28 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:26 pm

LOL @ Disagreeing Umpires...

Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

I'm suddenly reminded of "Dueling Banjos"...

29 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:27 pm

great ... even the Angel announcers state that he was out, "no doubt about it"

can we go a goddamn game without the umpires fucking up a call???

30 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:27 pm

I love an OFer who can make plays like that.

And the guy whose mom can't spell "Shawn" should be out.

31 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:28 pm

[21] oh man, that sucks. sorry 'bout that...

32 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:28 pm

[26] ah thanks. i apologize deeply for being off score truck program. :)

33 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:28 pm

[29] "Can we go a goddamn game without the umpires fucking up a call?"


You're serious, aren't you?

34 Just Fair   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:29 pm


35 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:29 pm

[30] i know. and there's THREE legitmate ways to spell it - Shawn, Shaun, Sean - Chone, just strikes out...not walks!

36 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:29 pm

Maybe the Fangraphs data are right, about Gritner's arm.

37 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:30 pm

Gasp @ handling adversity, bad call style...

: )

38 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:30 pm

well, no harm, no foul. still, i'd like a call in our favor one of these games...

39 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:30 pm

[35] Exactly! I mean, just throwing random letters out there his mom had a decent chance of some correct spelling of 'Sean'.

40 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:30 pm

Fortunately that blown call did not precede an Andy meltdown.

41 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:31 pm

[36] when i watched him warming up in Atlanta, i thought he had a strong arm with some giddy-up on it. but that's just me...

42 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:32 pm

[41] Anything not a "Skittles Rainbow" or a "Damon 12-Hopper" is acceptable!

: )

43 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:34 pm

[39] i don't understand. did she not know the correct spelling? I actually like the Chone spelling.

44 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:34 pm

[39] well, his real full name is actually: Desmond DeChone Figgins

he's from Georgia and they're not too swift 'round these parts, i'm afraid!

i'm still not used to FOX 5, being channel 4... : ~

45 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:35 pm

[43] Okay, fine, Chomus.

[41] I was talking about this:


Not sure whether you were around for the earlier discussion.

46 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:35 pm

Aha, so here is the makeup call?

47 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:36 pm

[46] Doesn't matter as Po K's.

48 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:37 pm

[45] cool. how'd you make the tinyurl go "gritner"? that's awesome!

49 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:38 pm

[47] You wait and see, that one extra on JW's pitch count will make a difference later.

50 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:38 pm

[45] thanks Chyank.

51 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:38 pm

Hammerin' Hinske!!!

52 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:38 pm


give girardi an extenstion! ; )

53 Just Fair   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:38 pm

Cashman, you dope. : D

54 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:38 pm

Hinske hops on the score truck!

And somewhere, Bum Rush shakes his head in disbelief...

55 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:38 pm

What is John Sterling's call for a Hinske homer?

[48] Oh, that was just a coincidence :-)

56 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:39 pm

Woohoo Swisher, I mean Hinske!

: )

57 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:39 pm

sounds like there's a goodly amount of Yankee fans there. i like that! : )

58 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:40 pm

[56] swinske?

59 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:40 pm

[55] "It's a ba-da-bin-sky...for Hin-ske!!"

That's my guess.

60 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:42 pm

[59] Doubt it.

You can't predict John Sterling. I don't know why people think they can predict him. You can't predict him.

61 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:43 pm

[60] well played!

62 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:43 pm

[58] Sounds good to me, Seamus! I have to come up with a nickname worthy of Eric...

How about "Swingske?" That's good for both hits and misses...

: )

63 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:43 pm

[60] I will, however, stick my neck out and predict a slowly paced game this afternoon.

64 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:44 pm

[62] i like swingske though it sounds a bit like his porn name.

65 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:44 pm

[48] TinyURL lets you make custom URLs, using any text string you want (as long it's not already used). The option is on their main page.

Interesting article on Gardner. I love the guy, but his arm is not that good. I think the stats are mistleading in this case.

Interesting that Melky's arm is not that good according to their stats...

66 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:47 pm

[65] Oh, come on, I was going to convince thelarmis that by a cosmic coincidence, TINYURL just happened to come up with that url.

Anyway, yeah, that's the consensus, and the real question is, why do the data seem to demonstrate that he has the best OF arm in all of baseball? One possibility is that the ARM stats are just crappy.

67 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:48 pm

[65] I think Gardner's arm is better than folks realize - to the infield. Not necessarily to home. he doesn't have the distance, but he throws a good ball to to the basepaths.

68 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:48 pm

[64] Porn Name?


Then it's perfect!

Score Truck for the "clean" porn name!

: )

69 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:48 pm

[65] Consensus in the comments for that article is that Melky's arm is strong but inaccurate.

70 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:48 pm

Interesting that Melky’s arm is not that good according to their stats…

biggest gun in the world doesn't do you much good if you don't have much aim ...

71 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:51 pm

[66] i'll buy that! ; )

72 Just Fair   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:53 pm

Weaver having ANY success is irritating. : /

73 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:55 pm

Yeah, I agree. Melky's got a strong arm, but he's not accurate. I thought he was, when he first came up, but it was just a fluke. Kinda like Tim Wakefield, he has no idea where the ball's going to go when he lets go of it. ;-)

Gardner... Defensive stats are always problematic, and you need a pretty big sample size before they mean anything at all. So that could be it. Or maybe he's being helped by his speed. Gives him more time to get in position and get set up, even though he doesn't have Melky's arm strength?

74 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:56 pm

STOP walking the leadoff guy!!!


75 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:57 pm

[73] Helped by his speed: that sounds right.
Small Sample: don't think that's it in this case, because that small sample is saying his arm is great, and we're looking at that small sample, and we know its not true. So, it's not a case of a guy who's on a really good streak but can't be expeced to maintain it, or anything like that, attributable to small sample.

76 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:58 pm

[73] speed was ID'd as probably a huge part. Technically, the stat doesn't measure arm strength. It measures the ability of an outfielder to prevent runners from moving an extra base. Arm strength is only a component of this. Quickness to the ball is probably even more important I would argue (I'm thinking that the differential between time of good thrower v bad thrower is less than the time it takes a fast runner to get to the ball vs slow runner). Also, the ability to cut off balls in the gaps. Finally, accuracy is critical. And as I said above, I think Gardner throws a good ball everywhere but home.

77 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:58 pm

nice DP!

78 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:58 pm

Ah, nice turn, very nice.

79 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:59 pm

Andy and Swisher are really Road Warriors this season...

Astounding differences really...

Two completely different sets of digits.

Considering Yankee Stadum and all of its creature comforts for the players, I don't get it.


80 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 4:59 pm

that was a NICE Uncle Charlie! : )

81 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:01 pm


82 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:02 pm

Good Andy.
Very strange how his starts have alternated so reliably this year.

83 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:02 pm

[79] It makes sense that Andy performs more poorly in NYS, since it is playing as a pretty good hitter's park this year. Now, why Swisher is not taking advantage of that tendency is puzzling.

84 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:03 pm

[76] Why is Melky so bad, then? I thought he was pretty good at keeping runners from taking an extra base. They respect his arm (even if it's not that accurate). He's got decent speed. He's gotten better at reading the ball hit over his head.

85 Evil Empire   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:05 pm

I was wondering. Does anyone sense that we sometimes panic whenever our team loses one game? I mean, I went to bed feeling like it was the end of the damn world last night and that we could never beat the Angels. But actually, it's just one game and if we win today or tomorrow that's a 4-2 road trip heading into the break on the heels of a sweep of the Muts and a 5-2 home stand.

On the other hand, how are we going to blow today's game?

86 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:06 pm

[84] yeah, i'm not so sure about why Melky is so low. Accuracy certainly plays a factor but as you say, a lot of runners simply don't even try to run on him. I wonder if there aren't other factors we're not realizing are there. Or maybe the metric isn't very good.

87 Evil Empire   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:06 pm

[74] why? I love Weaver's leadoff walk of Alex!! ;o)

88 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:07 pm

[74] Ban against walking lead-off man suspended for the top of the inning!

89 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:07 pm

[87] [88] Oh, curse you, Evil Empire!

90 Evil Empire   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:10 pm

[89] Hah!

91 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:12 pm


92 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:12 pm

The A-Rod induced error...

: )

93 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:12 pm

Posada actually hasn't seen a strike yet, according to the Pitch f/x at Gameday.

94 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:14 pm

Jered looks so much like his brother it's scary.

Don't think he deserved that error, though. It wasn't that bad a throw.

95 Just Fair   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:15 pm

"Ok, Jerrod. Just get Robbie to roll over to 2nd base here." : )

96 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:15 pm

They're actually going to pitch around Robbie? That's really stupid.

97 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:15 pm

hell yeah, robbie!

Fuck the Ducks!!!

98 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:15 pm

Oh, they didn't, and they should have!!!
Awesome. Sometimes I just love being wrong.

99 Just Fair   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:15 pm

Reverse jinx. Yipppeee.....

100 Evil Empire   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:16 pm

Steve Lombardi has an interesting wild thought over at Was Watching today....He thinks the Yanks ought to go get Cliff Lee from Cleveland instead of Halladay. I like that idea mainly because

1. Lee's a lefty which might work better in the Big Band Box in the Bronx***.

2. Lee's $8 million cheaper in terms of salary.

3. Lee's got a 129 ERA; Roy is 151, but that means he's much more expensive

4. Lee's 30 years old; Roy is 32

Given the fact that Roy will be much pricier in terms of prospects, salary and possibly having to take on a bad contract like that of Vernon Wells, I really like this idea.

***Unless someone else has used this before, I am officially coining our ballpark the BBBB

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101 Evil Empire   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:17 pm

[94] Jerred's pitching like Jeff today too!

102 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:17 pm

Hinske's a BIG dude.

[94] yeah, i thought the error was charged to the first baseman. shoulda been...

103 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:20 pm

Oh, there goes the no-no.

104 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:21 pm

[102] Yeah, but this way it's an Earned Run. :-)

105 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:21 pm

well, there goes the no-no. let's keep the shutout in tact!

106 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:21 pm

[105] Jinx.
Root beer for me!

107 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:21 pm

damnit, boBBy.

and there goes the shutout...

108 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:21 pm

Settle down, Pettitte.

109 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:22 pm


110 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:22 pm

[104] Nope...an error on the pitcher still makes the run unearned, I'm pretty certain.

111 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:22 pm

hey Cult - are you at the game?!?!?!

if not, are you going tomorrow? did you go last night?

112 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:23 pm

They are hitting rockets off Andy this inning.

113 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:24 pm

[104] The run was scored as unearned.

114 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:24 pm

[110] You're right, I just checked.

115 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:28 pm

Love how Andy settlted down after those bullets.

116 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:29 pm

Tack on some more in this frame please, Yanks...

117 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:34 pm

Love that sound.


118 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:34 pm

Captain is a Hit Machine!

119 Evil Empire   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:35 pm

All I ask for is one win in this series.....that's all

120 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:37 pm

Probably Yogi Berra, right? (The trivia question, most all-star selections as a Yankee.)

121 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:39 pm

wow. nice play. : /

122 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:39 pm

Oh, man, nice play. The score truck stalled.

123 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:40 pm

Walk Teix. You remember what happened when you pitched to Rob in a similar situation...

124 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:41 pm

Oh, come on, Teix, they're trying to walk you!

125 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:41 pm

deuces wild. 2-2, 2 outs.

126 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:42 pm


127 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:42 pm

[116] Or not.


128 RIYank   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:43 pm

That sucked.

Oh well, Weaver's thrown 98 pitches. Bet we get him out of the game next inning.

129 seamus   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:43 pm

weaver maybe goes one more inning. he has 97 pitches.

130 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:48 pm

How do the Angels always do this?

131 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:53 pm

[120] Nope. It's the Mick.

132 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 5:56 pm

[111] sorry, my eyes got heavy there for a while ... sheesh, i shoulda stayed asleep to wake up and find this ... again.

gah, why can't the score truck just run over that damn monkey and have done with these pesky sand fleas

anyway, to answer the question, not last night, or today, but maybe tomorrow.

i had weekend plans that fell through at the last minute, so i'll have to go and scalp if i want to see the game.

not sure if i want to suffer these kinds of frustrations in public though

133 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:04 pm

alright ... i'm going back to my nap, i'm obviously in one of those you-wake-up-from-your-nightmare-but-you're-really-still-dreaming nightmares


134 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:04 pm

This sucks.

135 Evil Empire   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:07 pm

[85]...well, now we know how we're going to lose today.

136 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:09 pm

crapola. i get outta the shower and now we're losing? FUCK!!!

robertson is frustrating.

i HATE the Halos.

CC better shut these fucking monkeys down tomorrow...

137 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:11 pm

total fucking bollocks.

138 ms october   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:12 pm

on my way home it was 4-0 - now i'm home to this clusterfuck?!?

139 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:18 pm

screw this ... i'm going for a walk.

140 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:19 pm

[139] careful, bro and stay away from bridges! ; )

141 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:24 pm

just our luck... : /

142 ms october   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:25 pm

losa angeles, anahaeim, orange coutny, ca - where not even an out is an out

143 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:29 pm

jesus christ. i've switched the channel...

144 The Hawk   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:31 pm

Three stinkers from Pettitte in a row. That is really, really bad. We have an injured Wang, regressive (tip of the hat to Tyler Kepner) Chamberlain, and an ineffective Pettitte. It may be that the Yanks need to trade for a pitcher, and soon.

Yanks continue to come up short against tough competition, however you slice it. Worrisome.

145 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:32 pm

It's nice that the Yankees can beat up most teams, but if they aren't going to show up against Boston or LA, what's the point of even making the playoffs.

Just like Joba yesterday, Pettitte simply choked this game away. For some reason, the threat of the stolen bases caused both Joba and Pettitte to implode...despite having 4 run leads. Thats mostly on their severe limitations as pitchers, but also on Girardi and Eiland.

Finally, Posada is now a major liability behind the plate against teams like the Rays and Angels.

With these two deplorable, shameful efforts by the Yankees, they have pretty much extinguished any good feelings generated by the last three weeks.

146 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:34 pm

[144] They definitely need to either transition Hughes back to the rotation or make a deal. Joba has proven that he is either injured or not ready to start. Not only has his performance been subpar, but his attitude has been even worse. A wakeup call in the minors might be in order.

The weakness of Joba/Pettitte has been evident for some time. The Yankees seriously need to consider alternatives because there is no reason to think either will be productive in the second half.

147 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:37 pm

well, that's cool. still losing though...

148 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:38 pm

Two-run homer for Hinske. Do the Yanks have a comeback in them?

149 ms october   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:38 pm

just as i was going to chnage it 2 run hr - hinske is a slight bright spot here

150 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:40 pm

I hate this team, especially without Pena and Cervelli. Without them this group is "Plate Tectonics Slow" when compared to their contempories, who passed them by years ago, '02 for this particular opponent. They will never learn. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Lata folks...

151 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:42 pm

[150] The one thing the Yankees don't need is another OPS+ of 70 off the bench. Unless Pena and Cervelli can teach Joba to throw the ball over the plate and Andy not to, I don't see how your point is relevant.

152 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:42 pm

did Jeter just say something to his bat??? it looked like held it up and say, "Come on Bat"!!!

153 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:43 pm

[152] He should have been telling his bat to take the 3-1 pitch because baserunners are desperately needed.

154 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:44 pm

alright, i'm out. got a loooong gig tonight...

see youze people tomorrow...

155 ms october   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:48 pm

and that's it - brett tomko best not be around after the asb

156 The Hawk   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:49 pm

[146] I agree completely about Joba/Hughes. Hughes could be godawful but he just seemed ... steadier? I don't know the word but you're right about Chamberlain's attitude - it's starting to get a little bizarre. Having Hughes be a shut down presence in the eighth is swell when they have four legit starters; not so much when they have only two - and god knows Burnett could go bad at any moment. I'll take a 4 ERA and 6 innings per game from Hughes right now if we could get it ...

These games seem to be down to the pitchers simply losing it so in a sense it's not the same kind of losses as the Red Sox or Phillies series. But ultimately some part of the Yankee machine seems to consistently break down in "post season preview"-type games, and that is no bueno. I particularly lament losing early, good-sized leads in the opposition's ballpark. Ugh, painful.

157 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:50 pm

literally *just* got back from my walk, turned on the radio and ... there goes the baseball.

Rikki Tikki Turdbowl

158 thelarmis   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:52 pm

fuck tomko. and the lucky bastard gets to be married to a smokin' hot blonde playmate centerfold. asshole.

159 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:53 pm

Hughes be a shut down presence in the eighth is swell when they have four legit starters; not so much when they have only two

true, true ... and as MP would surely say (if he were here) Hughsey in teh 8th *is* swell, but Hughesy for 2-3 lock down innings today could have been the difference

160 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:53 pm


Well, Mets game is starting soon. Cueto vs. Santana should be good.

161 The Hawk   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:57 pm

Of course I'm not 100% on this, but my sense is that Chamberlain will be traded within a couple years. I just get the feeling he's damaged goods.

162 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:57 pm

you see, Nostralarmis, if I went to the game tomorrow and somehow CC and the team didn't manage to avoid another meltdown like this tomorrow ... well, why risk that sort of thing, right?

163 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 6:59 pm

I will point out, without sarcasm (lest anyone take offense) that I predicted there would be ample opportunities for meaningful "long relief" innings. I will also point out this game marks the second consecutive game to reveal the follow of stashing the best BP arms for eight and ninth inning leads that may never come, while lesser pitchers fritter the game away or let it get out of hand.

Finally, I wonder aloud if the Yankees will consider the loss of Wang and the ineffectiveness of Pettitte and Joba to be adequate justification to think about using one of their top starting pitching prospects as...a starter.

164 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:01 pm

[159] I'm here. Like you, I dozed off (at 4-1) and woke up (at 8-4). And yes, that is one of several things that I would say!

165 The Hawk   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:01 pm

If CC melts down tomorrow, I'll take that as a sign that this is not a championship-caliber team. That's just how I roll.

Tomorrow is must-win.

166 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:02 pm

They are going to score at least seven runs and likely lose this game. It may be time for me to go prepare dinner. Cooking..therapeutic.

Well hello, EIGHT runs.

167 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:02 pm

Matsui, Hinske and Arod doing their best to make Girardi look bad for saving Hughes for what figures to be maybe 1 inning tomorrow, which will then be followed 4 days off. Talk about an awful allocation of resources.

168 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:02 pm

[162] then again, maybe i'll scalp tickets behind the vistor's dugout and heckle Girardi all game long

Say one thing, the bats on this team don't quit often.

Just think if Joey had used his best non-Mo reliever to put out the fire when Pettite was struggling ...

169 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:03 pm

Holy guacamole. They really might come back.

170 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:08 pm

c'mon Hinske, Hammer one more!

171 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:15 pm

Now we have to hope that whatever non-Mo, non-Hughes reliever is deployed for the eighth-inning-without-lead can keep it close, then maybe the bats can mount one last comeback. Swisher is still waiting in the wings, no?

There is even a chance that Girardi uses Hughes here, since he can still reserve him for the eighth inning tomorrow.

172 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:16 pm

Or Phil Coke.

Imagine if Girardi had gone at least to Coke for two innings, rather than Tomko.

173 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:18 pm

Great job by Girardi keeping Hughes out of this game so far. Otherwise, the Yankees may have tied this game or even gone ahead, which clearly isn't worth sending Hughes into the All Star Break with a little bit of fatigue. This way, if Hughes plans to go fishing, he should be able to get maximum distance on his cast.

174 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:22 pm

This is unbelievable.

175 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:22 pm

This is too ugly to watch

176 The Hawk   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:22 pm

It truly is mysterious why they didn't keep Hughes semi-stretched out by giving him multiple inning appearances. I suspect it is an overly strict adherence to convention, sticking him in a pre-defined role as the 8th inning guy.

177 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:23 pm

How many times will Girardi and Eiland watch their pitchers make the SAME mistakes before intervening? A better prepared manager would not allow his pitchers to become completely flustered by basestealers.

Jorge Posada is now a DH who plays catcher.

178 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:23 pm

And since Mo is certainly able to go back-to-back days (especially followed by the AS break), why not roll the dice and go to the big gun here?

179 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:25 pm

The Yankees overwhelming talent is why they clean up on the likes of Minnesota, Toronto, Baltimore and Seattle. The Yankees poor manager is why they struggle against better teams like the Angels and Red Sox. With such a good record, it would take enormous courage to make a managerial change, but the alternative looks to be early vacation plans.

180 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:31 pm

Cokey gives up a game ending hit to a right hander, while Phil Hughes goes unused. If anyone has a sensible explanation for that, please let me know. Two runs against Fuentes was still in play, but horrific managing has put the game out of reach. The Yankees will not win a World Series with Joe Girardi. If the inevitable first round exit saves his job, the Yankees would be better off in the long run finishing in third place and finally hiring someone with a clue about how to run a game.

181 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:32 pm

Meanwhile, Phil Coke, who has been so good, is forced to take a beating when he doesn't have his best stuff. Girardi is an absolute joke.

182 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:33 pm

Well, what are you gonna do. Coke has been one of the more effective guys and now he's getting battered.

My parting sarcasm:

1. At least no Yankee reliever's savev% went down,
2. At least the eighth inning is locked down tomorrow, just in case.

183 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:33 pm

Jebus, what a debacle.

Guess if you were to describe the Yankees 2009 (so far) as a book title, you'd have to go with "New York Has 2 Daddies"

184 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:34 pm

[182] All the more reason why he didn't deserve to be hung out to dry by his clueless manager.

185 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:37 pm

well, *that* was appropriate

186 randym77   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:41 pm

Christ on a cracker. I'm starting to think the Halos just like to spot us a few runs, to keep it interesting for them.

187 flycaster   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:41 pm

Needed a chuckle following a 2nd consecutive terrible Yankees pitching performance. Figured you boys would be blaming/firing the manager again. Someone actually said something like, "When they win it's because of the players, when they lose it's because of Girardi". Now I'm smiling again...

188 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 7:54 pm

[187] well I for one am not calling for the manager to be fired or blaming him specifically for this or that loss. My complaint is more systemic, about the way BPs are built and handled in general. I am also accutely upset with the way Hughes is being, er, deployed. But this too is (I think) an organizational fault.

189 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 11, 2009 8:22 pm

Ugh, that's an ugly loss to wake up to..think I'll skip the Gameday and go enjoy the sunshine here..damn Angels, I hate them!

[188] Agreed. Hughes situation baffles me..

first half over though and can't help be pleased with the results so far, considering CMW's collapse, A-Rod being out, and the ongoing Joba-stinka-thon..i'll take 2 games out of first at the ASB!

190 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 8:29 pm

From Pete Abe:

I’ll spare you the details. The post-game scene was one of general lament over the pitching. The clubhouse cleared out fast. A bad game tends to do that.

You have to try and find a way to stop it,” Girardi said about the fifth inning when Anaheim scored seven runs. “We didn’t do that.”

Hmm. I have one, very obvious suggestion for how to stop. I'll let y'all figure it out, but I bet most of you know what I am thinking.

191 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 11, 2009 8:41 pm

[190]hmmm...i just...can't..guess.....any clues?? :)

Boston 9 - KC 0..Jose Guillen in the 1st inning made an error and then forgot how many outs there were...I'm so glad I was rasied a Yankee fan!

192 The Hawk   ~  Jul 11, 2009 8:58 pm

Kepner at the NYT seems to really have a bee in his bonnet regarding Chamberlain. I agree with what he's saying, though. I find those recent pieces he wrote on the subject gratifying.

I forgot the Angels were without Hunter and Guerrero. The Yanks absolutely should have won two of three in Anaheim.

193 PJ   ~  Jul 11, 2009 9:00 pm

[190] Go out and get more OPS+ and less pitching and defense?

Did I win? Did I win?

: )

194 monkeypants   ~  Jul 11, 2009 9:03 pm

[193] Nope. Try again.

195 Rich   ~  Jul 11, 2009 9:18 pm

OK, I have been wrong about Robertson, but I am not wrong about Girardi. The idea that you can only use Hughes in the 7th or 8th is nuts. He could have used him earlier in the game for a couple of innings when the game was still close and begun the process of stretching him out, because he's needed in the rotation.

The rotation is more important than the pen.

Pettitte may be close to being done as a starter. Maybe he can be a long reliever.

Tomko has no place on this roster. Sending Alby down and keeping him is idiotic.

196 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 11, 2009 10:03 pm

Royals came back from 9-0 to 9-7! Then Daniel Fireball Bard came in for Sox to end the rally..Go Go KC, get 3 more and steal a win!

197 Rich   ~  Jul 11, 2009 10:05 pm

And we drafted Kennedy instead Bad. Sweet...

198 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 11, 2009 10:33 pm

Sox will win this game but their pen gave up 9 runs to the Royals..

199 seamus   ~  Jul 12, 2009 12:16 am

[190] let me guess, does it involve returning a mediocre young starter to the rotation so he can throw 5 innings and help Joba and Andy burn out the pen?

200 monkeypants   ~  Jul 12, 2009 12:59 am

[199] Well, that would be five innings more than he throws by rotting in the pen while Brett Tomko or similar burns the game in the sixth.But actually, no that's not the answer.

Rather, it involves using the best pitchers in high level situations or when the game is contested. That means not sitting on the best relievers to preserve a lead in the eighth inning that will never come, so that lesser pitchers can blow the game up in the sixth.

In short, it means using your pitchers to win games, not to accumulate as many saves as possible for one pitcher.

On the bright side, Hughes and Mo are well rested after watching the last two games, so they should be ready to go when the Yankees' best starter pitches tomorrow.

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