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Los Angeles Angels of Angelheim III: Getting Well

The Yankees arrive in Anaheim needing just one win (or a Rangers loss) to clinch their first postseason berth under manager Joe Girardi. That’s a big deal, but it’s also an inevitability. Yankee fans tuning in this week to see a preview of a potential playoff matchup might be disappointed to see their team playing out the string, but that’s what the Yankees are and should be doing right now.

That clinching win will come. In the meantime, the Yankees have to make sure that, when they get to the postseason, their important players are healthy and rested. Getting A.J. Burnett and Joba Chamberlain straightened out are priorities that met with differing results in Seattle. Tonight Andy Pettitte, whose last start was skipped due to some soreness in his pitching shoulder, takes the ball. Getting him and David Robertson healthy and effective again are also priorities.

Brett Gardner seems to have gotten his swing back, but he’ll sit tonight against the left-handed Joe Saunders. The Yankees will get a look at possible Joba-replacement Chad Guadin tomorrow and Burnett again on Wednesday against newest Angel Scott Kazmir. Somewhere along they way, they’ll clinch a playoff berth.

The Angels’ roster is the same as it was last time these teams met. The Yankees are 3-1 against the Angels in the Bronx this year, but 0-3 in Anaheim, but whether or not that latter mark is corrected or reinforced this week will have little bearing on how the Yanks are likely to perform in Disneyland in October.

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1 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 8:32 pm

What the bejeezus is going on with Joba-mania?? At this point is he going to get a post-season start?? Should I go back to to read the game thread from his start or like Seth Brundle should I "be afraid..be very afraid..."??

2 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 8:37 pm

Oh, good. Here's my opportunity to re-post my nerdy stat thing. (I'd put it in the Homage to Chyll's Homage to Hank's Homage to Scoring thread, where it really didn't belong.)

I decided to run Baseball Miusing’s lineup analysis on the current Yankees. Keep in mind that this tool ignores (1) psychology, in that it assumes that batters would have the same OBP and SLG no matter where you slotted them, and (2) speed on the bases. I think the second of these is probably negligible, esp. the way the Yanks play, but the first could be huge (cough cough A-Rod cough cough Cano). So, with that in mind, here is the best line-up for the Yankees:


Is that weird? Here’s something weirder.

The TOP THIRTY RUN PRODUCING LINE-UPS had Jeter batting ninth and A-Rod batting first. Also Melky eighth.
A-Rod first must be because his OBP tops the team. Melky eighth because that turns out to be the best spot to hide your weakest hitter (not ninth because of turning the order over, I believe). But why Jeter ninth? Maybe ninth is the “second lead-off spot”, and so much of Jeter’s OBP comes from his BA? I can’t fathom it.

By the way, the line-up tool was based in part on the work of Toaster Great Ken Arneson.

3 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 8:42 pm

[1] I am really way behind the stat revolution..but wouldn't putting A-Rod leadoff mean you waste a lot of his power production?

Chyll, I saw the Score Truck and I demand a t-shirt be made asap!

4 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 8:49 pm

[3] Not this year. A-Rod is a middle-of-the-pack Yankee in slugging. (This is partly because he's having a down year, HR-wise, and partly because our line-up is awesome.) It's based on this year's production, not lifetime.

5 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 8:53 pm

[4] I wonder if a manager could ever get away with constructing a lineup like that..would have to be someone like LaRussa with the credentials to withstand the critics..

6 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 8:59 pm

[2] I'd love to see them try a line up like that for a few weeks - not now, of course, but at some point in the middle of the season. It will never, ever happen but it would be great to see something like that.

7 Just Fair   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:08 pm

[2] Good stuff but Unacceptable. : ) Chyll and Shaun, et al, Great reading earlier too about the score truck. Let's hope it has its autumn tires on for the next 6 weeks. Last west coast trip I didn't have to wake up at 6:30 in the am. Ah, those were the days......

8 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:08 pm

Yeah, it would be fun to see the reaction from the NYT, Mike Celizic, and the Usual Gang of Idiots (with apologies to MAD).

The psychology of that line-up actually doesn't suck, assuming Jeter could get over the apparent slight. Cano is in a comfort spot, A-Rod gets to be in the spotlight, Teix would presumably be happy in clean-up, Matsui presumably doesn't give a damn, and everyone else is in a slot that's pretty familiar.

By the way, the Yankees' actual (most common) line-up scores a mere .14 runs per game fewer than the "ideal" one. The worst possible line-up scores only .17 runs per game fewer than the actual one. So it doesn't really matter a whole lot. That's why I think it really does make sense to put batters where they're comfortable.

9 jonnystrongleg   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:13 pm

[0] I don't think anybody would disagree with your opinion that the Yanks should be playing out the string if all they were after was a wild-card berth. But I am curious why you didn't mention the division title and home-field advantage. For me at least, winning the division, and not getting blown past by boston at the wire is important and I hope the Yankees are thinking the same thing.

10 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:25 pm

Red Sox rolling again. Tonight might be a good time for the Yankees to win a game

11 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:26 pm

[2] riyank - if you care enough to email baseball musings to find out the criteria and formula and weights i would be very curious to hear about it. maybe diane will do it.
matsui and jeter are the big weird ones to me.
in any other year arod leading off would be too - but with the high obp and down slg this year i can see that one.

here's crossing my fingers, knocking on wood, petting a rabbit's foot, you name it, that andy's shoulder responds well tonight.

12 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:30 pm

[9] The division title is, for me, largely irrelevant. And since teams from the same division can't play each other in the first round, it matters not whether the Sox and Yanks finish 1-2 or 2-1. If you think that home field advantage is important, or that it matters which team they play in the first round--and these are reasonable considerations--then the last ten games or so matter much more.

In any case, I am still confident that the division is wrapped up, despite recent panic.

13 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:34 pm

In an unrelated matter, MLB.com has an article on Doug Melvin, who thinks that MLB should change the rules governing September call-ups. I tend to agree.


14 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:37 pm

[12] Another point that I think we need to consider: if the Yankees actually do play such miserable baseball that they blow a nine game lead with 21 games left, are they going to be able to suddenly turn it on for the playoffs?

15 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:41 pm

[14] Uh-oh..i see another "momentum" discussion on the way...

Division title in the era of the wild-card..means nothing!

16 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:44 pm

[14] Who knows? The 2000 Yankees lost 16 out of 19 games to close the season and win the WS. Will the Sox, who will have had to play crazy baseball to overtake that nine game lead, burn out by the time they get to the playoffs?

17 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:44 pm

[15 ]Its not momentum. If they lose so many games that they blow the division in historic fashion, why should we think they'll just stop losing when they fly to Anaheim for the ALDS?

18 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:45 pm

[15] Yep, this is dangerous territory.

19 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:47 pm

[17] This has nothing to do with anything, but I think (well I know) that you and I know have a friend in common.

Without getting too specific: he's from Long Island, he went to Manhattan College, he enjoys Dave Matthews and unpredictable mood swings.

I think you can probably figure it out.

20 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:49 pm

[18] I missed Ichiro's heroics..did the Banter explode when Mo gave up the sayonara tater?

21 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:49 pm

[17] Perhaps because for a team to lose a lead of historic proportions, it requires also the pursuing team to play at a potentially unsustainable rate. The 1978 Yankees overtook the Sox, then lost the lead and they ended in a tie. The 1995 Angels lost their lead to the M's, only to take it back briefly then end in a tie. The 1993 Giants lost a big lead to the Braves, but then gained it back before the season ended in a tie.

Who knows what the '78 Sox or '93 Giants would have done had there been a WC.

22 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:52 pm

[11] Matsui batting second shouldn't really surprise you once you remember that basepath speed isn't a factor in the lineup analysis.

My first thought was that the tool actually runs simulations, but that was silly of me. He'd need a supercomputer. I think the way it actually works is with an algorithm that was in turn generated from a big pile of data.
Cyril Morong worked out a regression, figuring out how much points of OBP and SLG were worth in each lineup position. Mark Pankin did a slightly fancier analysis. Both used the Retrosheet data. I think Pinto's tool just uses one of those algorithms.

I'll ask David (I know him, though not well). I have a nagging feeling that there's something kind of seriously wrong with the way Morong and Pankin worked. The problem is that the value of a little more power in the clean-up slot is obviously going to be a function of how much OBP you have in the 1, 2, and 3 slots. It doesn't look like the guys who cranked out the basic algorithm considered this to be important.

23 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:53 pm

[20] Don't know--was out of town. But I imagine, somehow, that pitching Hughes in the 8th and Mo in the 9th was taken as clear evidence Girardi and company weren't trying.

24 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:53 pm

[19] And perhaps a drink or two?

25 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:56 pm

[22] Intuitively, iatting a high OBP-high SLG guy first (ARod) makes sense if you put a high OBP-lowSLG guy (Jeter) in the nine spot. You lose some of ARod's power contribution in the first inning, but then he stands a good chance of batting with men on base later in the game. Plus, you get him an extra AB, say, every other game.

26 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:56 pm

[22] I put that last note badly. I shouldn't have said there's anything wrong with what Morong and Pankin were doing. It makes sense for answering the questions they were asking. (They were interested in the relative importance of OBP and SLG. Turns out OBP is more important, and high in the order it's hugely more important.) What I meant was that ignoring the fact that extra SLG in the clean-up slot will make a greater contribution to runs the more OBP is in the 1, 2, 3 slots, calls the accuracy of the analysis tool into question.

27 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:57 pm

[24] umm yes, I believe we're on the same page

28 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 9:57 pm

[22] the lack of speed isn't what is throwing me off - i know these guys HATE speed and LOVE baseclogging :}
it is that matsui has the 5th highest obp and 4th highest slg - is it optimal that that profile hits 2nd? i would think you go for one of the other 3 guys with a higher obp (the highest is already 1st)

29 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:01 pm

[25] arod is slg the 5th highest on the team this year though; but he has the second highest ops - with the highest obp, so... i can completely see arod 1st in one of those simulators

30 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:01 pm

[17] The 1997 Marlins lost 15 of their last 25 games, slipped to 9 games out in the standings, and "backed into the WC".

31 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:01 pm

Kay's back. That's depressing.

32 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:02 pm

Ha, my last name is Morong- not too many of us out there. I forgot about the stats guy out there by that last name and did a double take for a second.

33 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:02 pm

[27] Saw him a few hours ago.

34 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:03 pm

The Royals were thisclose to tying the game with a three-run homer, but it was just a fly out to the fence. They are playing in a freaking monsoon. And I can't believe how slow and old Wakefield looks out there.

35 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:04 pm

[30] yeah but that team had the luxury of having a first baseman who could predict the future and probably reassured them that they would be fine...right before he told them the date the world was going to end.

36 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:06 pm

[35] Oh man, that guy is freaking nuts. Unfortunately for him (and us), the Mayans beat him to the punch on the world ending.

37 jonnystrongleg   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:07 pm

[12] the teams compete for 162 games and the result of that competition is, in itself, important to me as a fan. the enjoyment and celebration of winning division for the players, is not primarily about securing a place in the tournament, but rather a celebration of a marathon victory. diluted more than it was back in the day, but a it's still championship.

as 2004 teaches us, it won't console us to win the division and then lose to the red sox in the alcs, but it doesn't invalidate the accomplishment either.

38 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:08 pm

royals scored 3. it's 8-5.

one can hope...

39 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:09 pm

Did that say 240 baserunners in 166 IP?

40 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:09 pm

[35] Precognition is extremely valuable, more so than slugging and on base%, and possibly as valuable as grit.

41 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:09 pm

I wish I had as much confidence as monkeypants, but I am starting to get that 2004 ALCS feeling in my stomach. The division is both meaningful to me and important with regard to advancing in the playoffs. With Boston on a roll, the Yankees need this game. I have a very nervous feeling heading into this game.

42 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:11 pm

243 baserunners in 166.2 innings ...

43 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:12 pm

Did Damon hold up there?

44 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:12 pm

9-5 Sox

45 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:13 pm

[37] I couldn't agree more. Winning the division is still very much an accomplishment in my book. In fact, any year with a division title is never a complete failure.

46 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:13 pm

[44] Except for Greinke, the Yankees can't look to the Royals for help. They need to take care of their own business this week.

47 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:15 pm

Yankees need Arod to be big this week...it would be an awful time for him to go into a slump.

48 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:15 pm

[37] I actually agree with you in theory. But given how the division title has been so, as you say, watered down...and given the success of WC teams, I just can't get too excited about a division title. Frankly, I think they should get rid of the divisions and just take the top four teams in each league for the playoffs.

[41] I am confident because if the Sox keep winning all of their games and the Yankees drop two of three to the Angels, they are still up by two games in the loss column. That would STILL require a sweep by the Sox for them to overcome the Yankees.

Look, if the Sox win every game for the rest of the season, it will probably be hard for the Yanks to keep their division lead. Then again, if the Sox close the season on a 15 game winning streak, what can you do?

49 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:17 pm

It's rare for a pitcher to bounce a pitch that far in front of the plate.

50 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:18 pm

Kooky-Krazy Rogers Sports Net West is carrying the Yankees-Angels game...starting at 10:30. I'll join y'all in the second inning or so.

51 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:18 pm

I'm already tired of this ipod nano commercial ...

52 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:18 pm

[48] I guess for me, it isn't what can you do, but could you have done. IMHO, the Yankees lost 2-3 games this month because of how Girardi managed. With those games in hand, the division really would be wrapped up.

53 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:19 pm

That inning was Yankees/Angels in a nutshell.

54 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:21 pm

congratulations Kenny "Carl Carlson" Singleton

55 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:22 pm

[51] I'm watching on mlb.tv, no commercials, and yet I know exactly which one you mean.

56 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:22 pm

Oh great...

57 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:24 pm

How does Chone walk so much? He has no power, so it's odd that he sees so many pitches out of the strike zone. Maybe he's good at fouling off pitches, as well as (obviously) having a good eye.

58 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:26 pm

[57] why must you complicate things - he is scrappy and gritty

59 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:26 pm

[57] The thing is, he has not walked *that* much over his career. But this season he is a BB-machine.

60 Just Fair   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:26 pm

The Yanks rode into the playoffs on a dead horse with no name........well....Girardi actually.....and it felt good to blow so many games.. : D
ps. I hate the fucking Angels and I think Aybar looks like Snoop from "The Wire."

61 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:27 pm

[57] Overall, I am not sure why but he walked in that inning because Pettitte got ahead 0-2 and then started to nibble.

62 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:27 pm


Good grief .... an "America" reference ...

63 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:28 pm

Can Molina start all weekend?

64 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:28 pm

[60] he and Guerrero just bought a nailgun for all those bodies up in the vacants

65 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:28 pm

Thank god Chone is not on our team. I would really hate him.

66 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:28 pm

They got Figgins by three feet

67 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:28 pm

[60] you ain't even wait to get the muthafucka in the house

take that chone

68 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:28 pm

[60] What happens when an irrepressible Score Truck collides with an unmovable Dead Horse?

69 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:29 pm



70 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:30 pm

[59] True, I just looked. So what the hell happened this year? Word is the Halos learned something from Abreu. Still, I can understand trying to hit corners when you're pitching to Abreu... why Chone?

Chone's OBP is higher than his SLG. That's pretty unusual.

71 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:30 pm


72 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:30 pm

[69] excellent - that was my though too diane - i'm pretty sure that horse meat is tough though

73 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:30 pm

This series is going to be ugly...the Yankees are in big trouble.

74 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:30 pm

Ah, I tuned in just in time to see that. Blech.

75 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Well, thank god Chone stole.

76 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Vlad is still a professional hitter ... but that was a bad pitch

77 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:31 pm

[60] ??

Damn Vlad can hit anything..Kay & Sing prescient with the Angels running stats..they always push it..thank you Molina for preventing this from being a disastrous inning..

78 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Too bad Andy didn't put the ball in the strike zone for Chone and keep it four inches off the plate to Vlad, huh?

79 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:32 pm

9-8 BoSox

80 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:32 pm

side note: Pete Abrahmam going to the Boston Globe?? will that blog continue? Enjoy the updates there..

81 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:33 pm

[79] Please KC...give us some help.

82 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:33 pm

Andy is not looking like a Golden God so far.

83 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:33 pm

Its gonna be one of those nights.

Lets go Royals.

84 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:33 pm

Settle down, Andy.

85 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:33 pm


86 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:33 pm

Angels are going opposite field on Andy ...

87 Just Fair   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:34 pm

Back to back doubles sure look better than a k and weak pop up with RISP. Bollocks.

88 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:35 pm

i HATE when umpires let the batter call time like that..get in the damn box and stop lolllygagging!

89 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:35 pm

the Angels are at least legit hitting Andy right here, he looks to be healthy as far as I can tell...just not terribly effective so far.

90 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:36 pm

Ms. Oct, David P. confirms that there are coefficients in each order spot for SLG and OBP. They were determined empirically from the historical data.

91 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:36 pm

[89] The velocity isn't there, but it's early.

92 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:37 pm

[88] And really, according to the rules, the ump does not have to let the batter have time. Just let the pitcher throw one or two over after the batter steps out, and I guarantee that the batters will stay in the box.

93 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:38 pm

Funny. Kenny insists that "the Angels are a very good base-running team," even though their attempt at base-running may have cost them a bunch of runs this inning (and at least one).

94 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:38 pm

[90] Ahhhh...but history doesn't matter in baseball, because you just can't predict it. Haven't you learned anything from today's discussions?

95 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:38 pm

Division or not, the Yankees are now down to one rock solid starting pitcher.

96 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:38 pm

OK Yankees, sack up.

97 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:38 pm

[91] I think thats to be expected coming off the 10 day layoff and the fatigued shoulder.

Bottom line I think we just watched Andy pitch poorly because he pitched poorly, not because he's injured. So that's at least one thing to be positive about.

98 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:39 pm

[48] Catching up here, but I think what you can do is play over .500 baseball to close out the season. The Yankees are not playing well lately; if they were, the Sox couldn't take the division even with a 15 game winning streak.

99 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:39 pm

[90] thanks riyank - that's interesting

[91] gameday has his fastballs at about 91-92

100 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:40 pm

I hate the Angels.

And I kinda look forward to September callups. I'm disappointed that Ajax didn't get called up. Though I guess roster spots must be tight, since the Yanks DFA'd Anthony Claggett to make room for Freddy Guzman.

I do think they should consider having a larger roster throughout the year. The 25 man was set before they started carrying all these specialist pitchers.

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101 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:40 pm

Catching up on the rumors & news..if the BoSox get King Felix I will burn down Safeco Field in protest..no way in hell the M's trade an ace pitcher...right?

Yankees 5-17 in Anaheim last few years...ugh...

Good one Jorgie, let's get the Score Truck to run over their rally monkey!

102 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:40 pm

Royals tie it

103 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:40 pm

[99] Yes gun was showing 89, but I trust pitchFX more.

104 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:40 pm

[94] I know, but my stomach doesn't give me clear, unequivocal and indubitable messages, so I'm stuck with the history crap.

105 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:41 pm



106 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:41 pm

It's incredible...this team folds like a blanket in Anaheim.

107 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:41 pm

Think I can run faster than Cano did on that one..

108 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:42 pm

Trey Hillman don't fail me now


109 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:42 pm

Uh, Kenny, there are no 120 meter high hurdles.

110 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:42 pm

[107] I'll always remember Cano losing a footrace to Todd Jones

111 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:43 pm

Royals up 11-9, holy cow.

112 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:43 pm

The ERA of the Red Sox and Angels starters over the last 2 weeks compared to the Yankee starters is very scary.

113 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm

[111] Sterling's Law.

114 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm

[111] Can Soria pitch three innings?

115 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm

11-9 Royals

116 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm


The Score Truck must have a franchise ...

117 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm

Hey, anyone familiar with the union rules regarding Milton Bradley? How can they suspend him without pay for just speaking his mind to the media? Bradley obviously an idiot at times but am sure the team will still have to pay him..great signing there Jim Hendry!

118 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm

[98] The Yankees have won 4 out of their last 9 games, over which time their lead went from 9 games to 5 (four in the loss column). To have played over .500 ball would mean winning 5 out of 9 games, or a one game difference. Their lead has been cut largely because the Sox have won 8 out of 9 over that same stretch. If the Sox manage not to lose for the rest of the season, it will be pretty hard for the Yankees to maintain their division lead---especially considering the teams play each three games.

119 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm

[112] It is shocking. Esp considering how weak the Angels' rotation was over the season as a whole.

120 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm


Soria for Three!!!

121 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:45 pm

[117] I am sure his contract has a clause about publicly criticizing his employer.

122 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:45 pm

[117] with his history I'd imagine the Cubs insisted on, and have invoked, some sort of "conduct detrimental" clause in his contract

123 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:45 pm

Through 3 quarters in the Dolphins/Colts game ... Miami has had the ball for 33:56 of the 45 minutes, but its tied at 13.

124 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:45 pm

The Royals have bad players that I didn't think were in baseball anymore

125 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:47 pm

[122] But the CBA governs what sorts of clauses they can have in contracts. I think that's what Mr OK Jazz meant.

126 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:47 pm

[118] The problem is the Yankees have lost those games to Seattle, Toronto and Baltimore. You shouldn't lose 4 of 9 to those teams. The reason the Red Sox are on a rampage is partly because they are playing well, but mostly because they are facing dregs. Hopefully, KC can pull one out, but outside the Yankees Series. the Red Sox have as easy a schedule as you draw up.

127 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:47 pm

Hey, Tokyo...I looked in on Andy Phillips' stat page. He's hitting .287 / .359 / .543, with 14 homers. Do you think the Carp will sign him next year?

128 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:47 pm

Pena as Catwoman.

I am going to have some weird freaking dreams tonight.

129 Just Fair   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:47 pm

[120] That game is going to wind up about 16-15 bad guys methinks. : /

130 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:48 pm

Jeff Kent is a miserable human being in every way imaginable, this has been well established for about 15 years

131 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:49 pm

The color guy for NESN is talking about how Jamey Wright was one of the best pitchers in baseball in the late 90s.

I have no recollection of this

132 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:49 pm

[118] I think you meant to say the Yankees lost 5 of their last 9 games.

At any rate, I didn't say play over .500 ball over their last nine games.

It's pretty annoying that we're even forced to discuss the Red Sox taking the division. I waited a while to give it to the Yankees but at nine games up, I did. They promptly put it into doubt.

133 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:49 pm

[123] That is insane!

134 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:49 pm

nice bounceback for Andy

135 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:49 pm

[124] is Farnsworthless still on that team? if so, i sure hope he doesn't pitch tonight!

136 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:49 pm

[126] But even against dregs, even good MLB teams lose a few games. Easy schedule or not, one would not expect the Sox to play .900 baseball for three or four weeks. If they do, they take the division, and the Yankees dropping an extra game to Seattle, because Mo hiccuped, won't really matter.

137 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:50 pm

[127] The Carp opened their new stadium this year (Zoom Zoom Stadium!) and are trying to contend for the first time in ages..they should have some money available and I heard Phillips likes Japan but..need to check the Jpnball blogs for more details..havn't folllowed NPB so much this year..

138 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:50 pm

[131] That's either because you have some untreatable memory problem, or because Jamey Wright was a bad pitcher.

Oh, good news for you...

139 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:50 pm

[125] A team can suspend a player if they believe they have just cause. Of course, the player can file a grievance. The Cubs better hope they have a solid basis for the suspension because otherwise they'll pay for it.

140 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:50 pm

[131] 'coz you were still a pre-teen!!! ; )

141 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:51 pm

[130] Jeff Kent? Where that come from?

142 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:51 pm

[135] Of course he is. So is Jamey Wright and Lenny DiNardo and Yuniesky Betancourt and Josh Anderson

143 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:51 pm

according to this article bradley has not been informed if the suspension is w/ or w/o pay yet (as well as the reason) and the mlbpa may file a grievance

144 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:51 pm


Miami has run 60 plays, Colts 25.
Miami now up 20-13.

145 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:51 pm

I really resent the fact that this Red Sox series this weekend is gonna be meaningful. It wasn't supposed to be. I guess things could change in the next three days but it seems unlikely to change for the better.

146 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:52 pm

[140] Yo thelarmis, you going to be a night owl tonight? let's catch up after the game, want to hear about the sessions you did..and got some jazz news here for you..

147 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:52 pm

[139] Of course, but the CBA says what's just cause.

148 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:52 pm

Dear Mr. Kay .... its called a recession ...

149 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:53 pm

[139] this is Milton Bradley we're dealing with, do you really think they'll have trouble establishing just cause?

Of course none of this would have happened if the Cubs didn't decide to give the biggest headcase this side of Jurassic Carl a 3 year deal

150 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:53 pm

[136] I also call into question how Girardi managed against the Orioles and Jays, but that's now water under the bridge. His job is to right this ship or he'll pay for it with his job...and rightly so.

151 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:53 pm

[145] The entire discussion about the division and the Sox would have been irrelevant if the Orioles actually won a game against Boston..the Red Sox beating the snot out of the O's and Royals does not impress me..

152 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:54 pm

[143] Teams have to inform the player in writing, I believe. If the Cubs have't done so, they are wide up for a grevince.

153 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:54 pm

[141] Kay told a story about how he refused to take part in rookie hazing back when he was on the Mets

154 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:54 pm

Greinke vs Byrd tomorrow. Can I get a ****ing Red Sox loss please?

155 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:54 pm

[137] Zoom Zoom Stadium? LOL.

156 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:55 pm

[145] Don't get me started!!

157 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:55 pm

Sean Casey is the color guy. I thought so.

158 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:56 pm

I like Lou, but I think he's badly mishandled Bradley from the little I've seen. The Cubs knew what they were getting with him and they have only themselves to blame. He needs to be babysat, not antagonized.

159 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:56 pm

[153] Thanks. Kent & Barry Bonds as your two best players..must have been a lovely clubhouse in SanFran in those days..

[154] Greinke is so good it's ridiculous..Paul Byrd..if he starts in the playoffs can the fans hold up porno pictures to distract him? Or is that a low-blow?

160 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:56 pm

[147] Actually, I don't believe it is that explicit. There are some things the teams can't prohibit, but they do have considerable latitude. I am sure trashing the team would qualify as just cause.

161 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:56 pm

Sox go down in the seventh.

162 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:57 pm

This is Joe Saunders, right?

163 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:58 pm

[159] In Yankee Stadium????
Sir, I'm afraid I must ask you to do me the honor of choosing your weapon.

164 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:58 pm

[159] Both Bonds and Kent were great players, both apparently assholes, and both apparently hated each other. Talk about chemistry!

165 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:58 pm

[159] Unfortunately the Yankees will likely face Greinke next week so ... The Greinke giveth and the Greinke taketh away. Wouldn't it be a kick in the balls if he beat the Yanks but not the Red Sox? Why I oughtta ... !

166 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:58 pm

[155] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Stadium

[160] Impossible to enforce that..technically then, saying "we stink" during a losing streak would be "trashing the team"...just saying...

167 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:59 pm

If the Yankees manage to hold onto the division, I will be rooting for the Red Sox without a doubt.

168 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 10:59 pm

[146] maybe. i really need to go practice. but there's some CRAZY flooding going on here in Rainlanta. it usually floods right by my studio, so we'll see...

169 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:00 pm

[159] at first i thought the jeff kent reference tied back in to bradley - didn't kent throw a fit saying bradley wasn't hustling when he was quite injured

170 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:00 pm

I think they should call the game in Kansas City

171 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:00 pm

[165] Actually, they shouldn't. He is scheduled to pitch Tuesday and Sunday.

172 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:00 pm

[165] No, he should pitch against Minnesota on Sunday.

173 Just Fair   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:00 pm

[161] Is that part of your Catwoman dream? ; )

174 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:01 pm

[166] That's why the have the arbitration process. The team can issue the suspension, but it must stand up.

175 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:01 pm

If the Red Sox somehow lose 2 of 3 to the Royals then you may subtract from your ill will one of the following:

Yanks losing 2 of 3 to Orioles at home
Yanks losing 2 of 3 to Mariners in Seattle.

Personally, I'm going to use mine on the Orioles series.

176 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:02 pm

[175] If the Red Sox lose 2 of 3 to Kansas City, I'll feel a hell of a lot better about the division.

177 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:02 pm

[175] I think that's fair enough

178 Just Fair   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:02 pm

Keep "Snoop" off the corner bags, Andy. Atta, boy.

179 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:02 pm

[166] Again, I am sure that teams are given some latitude, and surely there is a difference between the obligatory "we really stink right now" comment during a losing streak, and the sort of systemic "negativity" Bradley is accused of. Whether that stands up up to the likely grievance, we'll see, but his teammates don't seem to be defending him.

180 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:02 pm

[175] It's like one of those little kids' board games!

181 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:03 pm

[175] If the Red Sox lose 2 to KC, then that makes the picture much brighter. I believe it when both losses are in the book. I can't see the Yankees winning more than 1 game here, so that would leave the lead at 3 games into the weekend. If it's a double sweep, however, panic wont be the word.

182 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:03 pm

[175] And I'll pick the Seattle series, BTW.

183 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:04 pm

[171] [172] I counted wrong, sue me. It was worth it to say "The Greinke giveth and the Greinke taketh away." And I stand by that statement, actually.

184 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:04 pm

[175] I like that. Yes, I agree, I'll count it against the O's series as well.

185 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:04 pm

Molina sold that well...

186 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:04 pm

yeah I'd throw back the Seattle series as well, that was one Mo cutter away from being a 2 of 3 win

187 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:04 pm

More runs KC! Please.

188 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:05 pm

Billy Wagner was a good pick-up for Theo. It kind of compensates for Gagne.

189 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:05 pm

[179] Not defending Bradley, he's obviously got some serious issues but...when I watched the 1977 Word Series DVD, there was an interview with Thurman Munson before Game 3 where he said "I don't really want to come back here, there 's just too much negativity..if the Yankees want they can trade me i don't care"..or something along those lines..this was from the Captain during the World Series! Just goes to show that winning trumps any Bronx Zoo-type behavior..

190 ms october   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:05 pm

alright night team - at least andy looked a lot better after that 1st inning

surely the score truck has to appear after it has been documented so brilliantly today

191 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:06 pm

[188] ... although he just walked Mitch Maier, so perhaps the jury is still out.

192 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:06 pm

12-9 KCR

193 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:06 pm

[186] Or an Ichiro IBB...

194 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:06 pm

I take it back. Billy Wagner is a bust!

195 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:07 pm

[181] It's possible. They could lose tonight and get Greinke-ized tomorrow, it's certainly a possibility.

[182] Cause of Mo? I thought that was a fluky series loss and not at home, so not as bad. Aren't the Orioles worse than Seattle too? Well, I'm not arguing, this would be all about the healing process, you see. Whatever works.

196 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:07 pm

[186] Yep. The two losses to Seattle sort of couldn't be helped.

The game we gave up on in Baltimore, and losing two of three to Baltimore period, though...

197 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:08 pm

[194] Wagner always struck me as a bit of a diva..be great to see him and Papelbon get into it in the bullpen..

198 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:08 pm

This futility defies all logic...I can't wait for the year when this team finally puts an end to this Angels dominance. I don't want this season to be the year they have to do it.

Arod's AB have been 2005 ALDS-like...not good.

199 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:09 pm

[195] I'm saying I'd subtract the Mariners series from my ill will for those reasons.

200 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:09 pm

Bill Bloomquist.
Mitch Maier.
Billy Butler.

(I know, it's Willie Bloomquist. Humor me.)

The top of the Royals' order is like some kind of nursery rhyme. Why didn't they sign Barry Bonds to bat clean-up?

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201 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:10 pm

[189] I'm not taking sides. I am just suggesting that your proposal---that it must be illegal or whatever---for players to be punished for negative behavior is probably incorrect.

Also, let's look at your evidence another way. Maybe it was not winning that patched over the negativity that Munson spoke about. Maybe, instead, this indicates just how negative Bradley has been this season!

202 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:11 pm

This must be how just about every other team in just about every year has felt about the Yankees.

203 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:11 pm

[200] The Roylas lineup is just shocking..but the Twins don't seem to get such criticism for some of the .OBP black-hole bats they run out there as well..why does Gardenhire and the organization get credit for "doing things the right way"..? With a couple better bats they could have won that division...

204 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:13 pm

[200] it's willie bloomquist. jeesh.

NO humor!!!

Does humor belong in music?!

; )

ps - if not Barry Bonds, how 'bout Sammy Sosa. or Mark McGwire. or Maxwell (m)Smart. wait...

205 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:13 pm

Miami has now run 70 plays to the Colts 31. Dolphins lead 23-20 with 3:50 to go.

206 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:13 pm

[201] Interesting..the BxZoo team obviously fed off their distaste for each other and anger towards Reggie, Billy, George, etc...At this poont with Bradley though why would any team sign him?

207 The Hawk   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:13 pm

[199] I don't get it but, Greinke willing, all of our souls will be lightened come tomorrow's eve. Mine is already somewhat lighter, knowing that the shadow of the mighty Greinke will not fall on the New Yankee Stadium, and his hand will be thusly stayed, at least until next season, when, truly, he may smite us all.

Greinke be praised.

208 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:14 pm

[206] He led the AL in OPS+ last season...that's why you sign him.

209 Just Fair   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:14 pm

Watching both Vlad and Matsui try to run is painful. This ump sucks. Hunter was k'd twice.

210 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:14 pm

God help me, I'm depending on Jamey Wright and Willie Bloomquist

211 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:15 pm


comment of the night nominee

212 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:15 pm

[209] I was watching Vlad walk in Texas yesterday. It was sad.

213 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:16 pm

Does humor belong in music?!

I say yes, thelarmis.
Gilbert and Sullivan?

214 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:16 pm

[210] That's how I felt watching Lenny DiNardo before I turned the game off.

215 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:17 pm

Sean Casey ranting and raving about pro wrestling. Pretty knowledgeably. I'm starting to like him as the color guy.

Going to the bottom of the eighth in KC

216 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:17 pm

I hope Billy Butler doesn't brink that swing to Yankee Stadium.

217 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:17 pm

[212] Vlad admitted to an extra year on his birthday right..? Maybe there's another 2 or 3 years that have not been found yet? But man, can he still swing the bat!

[208] Well, yes..and I am sure Stephon Marbury can still average 15 and 8 in the NBA but I wouldn't sign him either..

218 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:17 pm

Jamey Wright mows down the heart of the Boston order.
John Sterling would love it.

219 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:19 pm

[217] oooooph you're really giving Starbury a lot of credit

220 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:19 pm

[217] (part b) Despite Stephon's intimate Score Truck connection???


(Thanks to Emma Span for that one.)

221 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:20 pm

Dolphins have had the ball 42 of the 57 minutes so far, but trail now 27-23.

222 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:20 pm

This is beyond frustrating.

223 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:21 pm

[215] Ugh, I hated listening to Casey a few weeks back..every guy on every team was " a great guy, a real grinder", someone you "could go to war with" and "really knows how to play the game"..was a 3-hour cliche-a-thon..

This game boring and depressing me..

224 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:21 pm

[221] Holy crap. Dolphins are losing?!

225 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:22 pm

[213] who are Gilbert & Sullivan?

i was quoting the great Frank Zappa!!! (per usual)

oh, and yes, humor most certainly belongs in music!!! : )

226 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:22 pm

[224] Who cares!! :)

227 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:22 pm

[220] Oh...the original "score truck"...

228 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:23 pm

Did Chyll Will keep the Score Truck locked in his studio?

229 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:23 pm

[225] Shoulda known.
Right, of course. You've never heard of Gilbert and Sullivan. They're the Peanut Butter and Jelly of opera, thelarmis, so it figures you'd never give them a taste.

230 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:23 pm

[228] He drove it out to KC, actually.

231 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:23 pm

well, that was utter waste of a leadoff hit...

[224] 'coz the other teams has more points. dolphins weren't consistent enough. - joe morgan

232 Just Fair   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:24 pm

[229] And they're funnier on pot. : D

233 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:24 pm

Going to the ninth in KC

234 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:24 pm

[224] The wildcat giveth...

235 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:24 pm

[230] He better hit the road once that game is over and get it to LA.

236 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:26 pm

Manny Delcarmen, Daniel Bard, and BIlly Wagner (not to mention Tim Wakefield) all get smacked around by the might Royals, and it takes Michael Bowden, he of the 9.5 ERA, to put them down.

[232] Well, there ya go, just like PB&J. Mmmmmm.

237 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:26 pm

[215] i have a good friend who is a successful professional wrestler. when i met him a few years ago, i thought he was kidding. i truly thought pro wrestling had ended in like 1989 w/ Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka and his peers. i thought there was ONE Wrestlemania and then that was it. boy, was i wrong.

i was NOT living under a rock. i was living in a windowless practice room with a concert grand marimba, 4-mallets and Classical scores out the wazoo. literally.

238 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:26 pm

After Andy shuts down the Angels again this inning, the Yankee are going to break through next inning for sure. Book it, as they say.

Do you hear that low rumble? That's the Score Truck on the horizon.

239 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:28 pm

Lowell down

240 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:28 pm

Whoa...where was THAT pitch on 3-2?

241 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:28 pm

[238] Jesus, Will must be driving that thing fast down US 70. Long way from KC to Anaheim!

242 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:28 pm


Just as long as that annoying Lexus dealership women doesn't come on and tell us about the great deals we can get on a 2010 Score Truck ...

243 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:28 pm

[229] Ever see "Topsy-Turvy" by Mike Leigh? Fictionalized account of the aking of the "Mikado" by G&S..very good film.

[238] I hear that truck a comin...it's comin round the bend...

244 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:29 pm

Why does every Angel rally look the same??

245 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:29 pm

[238] Are you sure it's not delivering for the Halos?

246 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:29 pm

[229] [232] awesome! hilarious! : )

ah, i'm not big on opera. that said, i do love Verdi and enjoyed studying him in school. we loved how his name translated to Joe Green. that was big in Central PA.

hey, at least you didn't quote Captain and Tennille! ; )

247 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:30 pm

Kotchman down

248 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:30 pm


Trucks .... trucks will keep us together .... :-)

249 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:30 pm

oh, Andy - you were cruising right along.

Cruising For Burgers! (more Gilbert & Sullivan!)

250 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:30 pm

[243] Yes, I loved that movie.

251 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm

Why is Arod playing in!!!!

252 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm

Well of course.

253 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm

[248] i'm close with the musical Trucks family. does that count?!

[244] seen through the eyes of a monkey?!

254 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm

Sox lose

255 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm

If Damon had a semblance of an arm, that runner doesn't tag up from 2nd to 3rd, and thus no 3rd run.

256 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm

Sox lose.
I mean, KC wins.

257 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm

[251] I wondered the same thing. Is Aybar really a bunt threat, as Singleton said?

258 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm

Shit Sox lost.

i hate the halos...

259 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:33 pm

KC halts the collapse for at least a day...all hail Soria.

260 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:33 pm

[255] Good point.
And Melky could very easily have fielded that ball instead of JD, too.

261 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:33 pm

I suppose I have to turn the Yankees back on

262 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:33 pm

[255] That was bad OF defense, I thought--Melky should have called off Damon and made the catch striding toward LF, rather than Damon making the catch falling backward.

263 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:33 pm

[257] Definitely.
On the other hand, he's been hitting very well for a couple of months, too.

264 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:34 pm

Baseball Prospectus with a defense of Milron "Risk" Bradley.. http://tinyurl.com/nznfwg

This game is deadly boring..am really growing to hate the Angels as much as the BoSox..

265 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:34 pm

[260] You beat me by *that* much [262].

266 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:35 pm

The Yankees have little chance against the Angels. They have to win the division so the Red Sox can do their dirty work for them.

267 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:35 pm

all things being equal I feel good about how Andy has pitched tonight

268 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:35 pm

Colts had ball for less that 15 minutes the entire game, and still won.

269 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:35 pm

[265] This will be a lesson to you: run out every agreement with Diane, never take anything for granted. Hustle, monkeypants.

270 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:36 pm

[267] Yeah, that's a bright side.
[268] That's incredible. Has that ever happened before in NFL history?

271 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:36 pm

I was thinking that, too. Why didn't Melky call Rag-arm off?

272 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:37 pm

If nothing else, we still have the Brian Fuentes option

273 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:37 pm

regardless of everything, i'd rather face the Halos than the Shit Sox next month...

274 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:37 pm

[271] Melky needs to take charge out there. It seems like he is constantly fighting off Damon and Swisher.

275 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:37 pm

OK folks ,,,,, bedtime here .... have a good night.

276 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:37 pm

[266] Yes, it is really a miracle that they took three out of four against them at Yankee Stadium this season.

277 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:38 pm

This is my last inning -- early morning tomorrow. I'd settle for even a smallish delivery.

278 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:38 pm

[237] Who is your friend that made it big in wrestling thelarmis? I used to be a huge fan and very casually follow it now.

279 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:38 pm

[270] they said it's never happened since they've been keeping that stat - mid 70's.

i don't even like football...

280 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:39 pm

[272] Did Fuentes just stink last week against the Red Sox or was he really robbed by the umps?

NFL...yawn....i just havn't been able to follow it since Ickey Woods retired..

281 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:39 pm

[273] Couldn't disagree more...I'll take Boston anyday.

282 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:39 pm

[280] A little of both

283 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:39 pm

This is NOT new Yankee Stadium, Mr. Damon.

284 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:39 pm

Kay is a moron.

285 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:40 pm

[280] He stunk until he struck Green out on a full count- then he was robbed, and possibly earlier in the same at-bat on a check swing.

286 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:40 pm

Jeter laughing can't believe Abreu caught that.

287 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:40 pm

[278] ooh, i might end up outing myself if i say his name. it's a pretty obvious connection. in the next coupla months, i'm prolly gonna out myself here anyway - cd/website...

let's just say he was at the very pinnacle of the, um..."sport", then retired. he's back now.

288 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:40 pm

[276] Too bad they can't play all 7 games at YS. Three out of four at YS might not be enough.

289 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:40 pm

Abreu boldly runs onto the warning track. I didn't know he had it in him.

290 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:40 pm

Didn't Joe Saunders allow something like a million baserunners this year?

291 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:41 pm

I *thought* that I heard the Score Truck...

292 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:41 pm

Can Girardi try to put a play on? Just for fun? Is he even awake?

293 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:41 pm

[276] When are you going to get over your neurotic obsession with history?

294 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:41 pm

[290] He's allowed plenty of base runners tonight.

295 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:42 pm

[287] Lead singer from a band named partly after a muppet? If so, he is one of the few guys I will tune into watch.

296 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:42 pm

[287] Has to be the Honkey Tonk Man!

297 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:42 pm

[287] Hes from Atlanta?

298 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:43 pm

[290] Earlier, but in the last month he's been very good. ERA about 2, WHIP about 1 1//4.

299 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:44 pm

[293] You forget the special exception, that history may always be invoked to prove the Red Sox and Angels inevitable superiority over the Yankees, and related discussions.

300 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:44 pm

[281] my stomach just can't handle it. i guess we might have a better shot on the field vs. boston, and ultimately, that's what matters, but emotionally, a series against the Shit Sox, destroys my insides.

can i use more commas? i, think, i, can. i, dunno. wait, let, me see. yup, i, can! ,

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301 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:44 pm

[294] Four hits and a fielders choice in six innings?

302 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:44 pm

[300] I agree, losing is twice as bad when it's to the Red Sox.

303 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:46 pm

Officially a good start for Andy.

304 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:46 pm

[295] shhhh!!! i *just* got a text from him. btw, he's a GREAT guy, in real life!

[297] no, not from atlanta.

305 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:46 pm

Okay, this is really my last half inning.

306 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:46 pm

[299] Is that clause that states history is only relevant when it completely ignores context? Probably the only thing worse than ignoring history is misassigning it.

307 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:47 pm

[301] Hm. I'm not paying attention I guess. Every time I look the Yankees seem to have a base runner, followed by a DP.

308 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:48 pm

[300] Games against Boston make me nervous. Games in Anaheim make me feel hopeless. I'll take nervous over hopeless any day.

309 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:48 pm


310 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:48 pm

Well, that helps

311 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:48 pm

[304] His biography was awesome. Great stories. He's so good at being the bad guy that I kind of feel bad for not really watching it anymore!

312 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:49 pm

It WAS the Score Truck!

313 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:49 pm

Has Chyll arrived? I hope so.

314 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:49 pm

A-Rod padding his stats again in a losing game..what a bum! :)

315 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:49 pm

[306] Uh oh. I think if monkeypants is misassigning history his department chair might have to get involved. That's a pretty serious charge, william.

Oh, hey. Bout time. Glad I stayed up.

316 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:49 pm

[296] i will start calling him that! it'll be hilarious! he's a fun/ny dude...

317 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:50 pm


318 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:50 pm

[314] At least he wasn't so selfish as to pad his RBI total. Noble of him to wait until nobody was on base.

319 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:50 pm

[306] I don't know about that clause. I would argue that history is context, but to be honest, I am not really up for a historiographic discussion tonight, since I have to teach historiography and historical methods tomorrow morning.

320 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:50 pm

[304] Ah. He's probably the best guy in the company now, FWIW.

321 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:51 pm

Reggie & Frank Robinson! That's a lot o' taters!

322 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:51 pm

Why is Swish ahead of Posada in the order, by the way? Strange.

323 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:51 pm

[319] I am not up for that discussion either. I just know the Yankees lose a lot of games in Anaheim.

324 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:51 pm

[308] there's a great lyric:

"hopes can always go hope, tears can only come down"

i guess they can go sideways, if you're crying whilst in a horizontal position, but that's a whole 'nutha story... ; )

325 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:51 pm

There sure are a lot of Yankees fans there.

326 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:52 pm

That was ball 4, Jorge.

327 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:52 pm

[304] Not even debatable really, other than maybe Shawn Michaels when he's not doing his DX schtick.

328 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:53 pm

Posada swung at two ball-4s. The Yankees have abandoned their patient approach, which is usually what happens they struggle.

329 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:53 pm

[327] Shawn also missed four months this year.

330 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:53 pm

Kenny, be serious. A home run cannot ignite an offense. A home run kills rallies. Only a walk can ignite an offense. Well, maybe a two-out single with runners on second and third.

331 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:53 pm

[320] very cool! i won't tell him that though. i'll just make fun of him in spandex! : )

332 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:54 pm

[325] i wonder if Cult is there. i'll text him right now...

333 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:54 pm

Can KC win three games?

334 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:54 pm

Why is Bruney warming? This is the stuff that drives me crazy. It's 3-1, let's keep it close.

335 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:56 pm

[331] A question I've always wondered for people who know the wrestlers. Do you use his real name or ring name? I guess in his case, you can also use his (music) stage name...

336 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:56 pm

Change to "why is Bruney coming in?"

337 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:56 pm

Oh Christ. Bruney

338 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:56 pm

[330] Well, A-Rod hit a HR and the YAnkees did nothing after him. Doesn't that prove that HR's kill rallies?

339 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:56 pm

Bruney? Why.

340 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:57 pm

Jeremy & Matt - if it at all helps, i can honestly tell you he is a very good person and cool cat. i know him well and he's good people.

oh, he saw Jeter eating at a Carraba's a coupla years ago in Tampa. now, the wrestler guy is famous and recognized - all over the world; i can attest - but he didn't wanna bother Jeter, so he didn't approach him or anything...

341 randym77   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:57 pm

Ugh. Bruney?

It's going to be interesting to see who the Yanks keep on the roster after this season.

342 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:57 pm

Who the hell bought a Brian Bruney 38 jersey?

343 JeremyM   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:57 pm

[335] Well, his stage and ring first name are the same. But I know people called Hulk 'Terry' for instance.

344 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:58 pm

When did BabaBruney swtich to #99?

345 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:58 pm

Bruney practices that.

346 thelarmis   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:58 pm

Andy did alright. this one's on our offense.

i don't understand why Bruney is in though. only 2 runs down - for now - 6 outs to go.

i guess it could end up being on Girardi, after all...

347 RIYank   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:59 pm

Ladies and gentleman, Brian Bruney!

348 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:59 pm

Sigh...time to some fall cleaning and then turn on the Sumo..

349 monkeypants   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:59 pm

I do hope that Bruney has pitched himself off the post season roster.

350 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 21, 2009 11:59 pm

THIS infuriates me. Girardi's Bruney fetish is going to be the downfall of this team.

351 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:00 am

[349] No chance in hell

352 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:00 am

Now that couldn't have been predicted. Nice to see Girardi continue to manage with no sense of urgency. Queue up the collapse. It's back on track with Joe leading the way.

353 joe   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:00 am

Hey guys... Just tuned in time to see BBruney give up the solo shot!

354 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:00 am

[340] He struck me as one from what little I know of him, as he seemed down to earth in interviews and so forth. Geez, I seem to remember he was attacked by idiot fans earlier this year in a parking lot? See, I told you he plays a great bad guy. The rule of thumb in that stuff is the bad guys are the real-life nice ones, and vice versa.

355 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:00 am

Might as well bring Edwar in.

356 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:01 am

How come we can all see it coming? I don't get it.

357 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:01 am

[342] Cult?! he never texted back, btw...

[335] does he use a different name in the ring? i mean, i learned that he has a bunch of nicknames and stuff, but he generally just goes by his main stage name. his first name is real. i know his middle and last names. i don't think he keeps it too secret, i'm not sure.

his dad was a professional hockey player - rangers - and that's his real last name.

358 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:02 am

fuck. this is bullshit. now, it's on Joe. NO reason to bring in BaBa. if there's one predictable thing about the game, it was that... : /

359 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:02 am

Aceves hasn't pitched in a week.

360 joe   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:04 am

[358] Not to dredge up this conversation again... But Joe really needs to light a fire under this team's ass before PS starts, not dick around with Bruney/Edwar

361 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:04 am

I hate to be contrary (!!!!), but that was a pretty low-leverage situation. I'd rather have Bruney off the team, but if he's going to be used that really wasn't a bad time for it.

362 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:05 am

[359] If Aceves is going to be wasted as a Joba mop-up man, the Yankees might as well just give him Joba's slot to see if he can build up arm strength to become the 4th starter.

363 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:05 am

[357] Well, he doesn't use his given last name when he wrestles They acknowledge who his father was, so its not like its a secret though.

364 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:05 am

Girardi is really screwing the pooch. I know the arguments that these aren't "must win" games and tend to agree, but you can still manage to win without compromising the playoffs. Bruney is a mop-up pitcher right now, nothing more.

365 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:06 am

[361] Aceves and Hughes have both been underworked. If the Yankees were going to come back, they needed to keep it at 3-1. Bringing in Bruney was not the way to do that.

366 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:06 am

[360] I like to call it the Bruney Fetish, because I think that sums it up best.

I don't even know what Edwar is.

367 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:06 am

[360] Girardi is the problem, not part of the solution.

368 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:07 am

[365] Then Bruney should be off the team. It's Cashman's fault!

369 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:08 am

[368] And Ramirez.

370 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:09 am

[368] Why? It's Cashman's fault that Girardi can't figure out whom to use when?

371 joe   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:09 am

[366] My dad used to have the ol' bruney fetish. The fastball is enticing, the walks are not

372 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:09 am

[369] Yes, if he can't be used in low leverage situations, then he should be off too.
They can keep one guy for very, very low leverage situations, although frankly Aceves could do that along with whatever his other job is.

373 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:10 am

Now bring in Edwar to give that one back

374 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:10 am

[354] he's a bad guy, huh? that's awesome! i didn't know that. i'm not around him a lot anymore, so i didn't hear about the attack. that's crazy. he's REALLY careful in parking lots. kids are always asking to be put in a move, and he's really wary of inadvertently hurting someone and getting sued. i guess all bets are off if he's attacked!

we're about the same height, but he's like 3 of me, haha!

he's a smart cat. educated, too. college degree in journalism...

375 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:10 am

See, THIS Is why Joe Girardi is not a good manager..3-1 late in the game against a huge rival, you DON'T bring in Bruney! Now Matsui does the job but we're still down by 2...

376 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:10 am

[373] perfect!

377 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:10 am

Great idea to give Matsui the night off, by the way. Meanwhile, Bruney's damage looms even larger. If he can screw things up, he will...it's Girardi's Law.

378 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:10 am

[370] For the reason I stated in the comment you referred to!

379 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:12 am

[378] 3-1 in the 8th with a bullpen like Anaheim and an offense like the Yankees isn't low leverage.

380 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:13 am

[363] oh okay, same outside wrestling, for the most part. he just goes by that "stage" name. but, he *always* uses his given last name (his dads') for real life purposes and that's how he gets mail and stuff.

381 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:13 am

[379] Yes it is.

382 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:14 am

is Ace's shoulder okay?

383 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:14 am

[374] Yeah, and he has a really unique style where he doesn't yell and scream, he just talks really calm and kind of cold, and uses big words, which really pisses off some of the fans. We're not all like that :)

[372] I don't see 3-1 as low-leverage really but that's neither here nor there. I mean if he had shown some flashes I could see bringing him in, but he hasn't been able to close out blowouts due to his habit of walking everyone.

384 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:14 am

[381] No it's not.

385 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:15 am

[384] I'm prepared to give evidence. Are you?

386 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:15 am

[383] I'm on board with that -- that's why I think he shouldn't be on the team.

387 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:16 am

[377] To be fair, with Matsui's knees the way they are, we don't know the whole story there. Although if it was a lefty-righty deal, which it probably was, well, that's stupid.

388 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:16 am

[387] The reason for giving Matsui the day off was actually to let Jorge DH. Cliff mentioned this earlier. Jorge complained about a stiff neck. (His own, I presume!)

389 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:18 am

Are the A relievers in the john?

390 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:18 am

[388] Right, and there's that, and Posada has two hits, so that wasn't a flop of a move and I have no problems with it even if Posada went 0 for 4.

391 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:19 am

[385] Sure...Fuentes ERA is 4.26 (bullpen is 4.50). Yankees 8th OPS is .868 and their 9th inning OPS is .957.

392 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:19 am

Albaledejo now...so Girardi still isn't trying to win games. Very comforting.

393 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:20 am

[391] Okay, so what does that make the leverage with nobody on in the bottom of the seventh in a two run game? Or do you also have to account for the Angels' OPS?

394 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:20 am

[383] i can see him being cool like that. he's an *amazing* business man. i am...not.

[388] jorgie has a stiff neck from the stoopid fight he started. : /

395 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:20 am

[387] Agreed...if Matsui's knees are barking, it make sense, but like you, I am sure Joe got the bright idea because of the lefty/lefty matchup.

396 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:21 am

wow. i figured boBBy would walk on the 17th pitch...

397 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:22 am

[393] You have to account for both lineups and both bullpens. I like the Yankees chances with Hughes and the Yankee lineup chasing 2 runs against the Angels bullpen.

398 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:22 am

OK Jazz - if'n you're still around, the Sonny Red "Out of the Blue" album is freaking beautiful!!! i've been searching for it for ages, finally got it today and i'm listening now. it's terrific! : )

399 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:23 am

Tango Tiger says the leverage in that situation is .4. Maybe you can speculate that various things about the current game make it higher (you can't be selective about what you include, though), but there's no way it's high leverage.

400 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:26 am

[399] Needless to say, I am not impressed by Tango Tiger's leverage index because there is no way you can assign the same leverage to situations with completely different variables. The leverage index is useful for generic analysis, not for evaluating a specific situation.

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401 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:26 am

[399] what does Tango Tiger have to say about Cranberry Juice? i cannot speaketh on the subject, due to obvious reasons that you've prolly figured out by now! ; )

402 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:27 am

What a shocker...Albaledejo gives the run back. This is text book Girardi incompetence.

403 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:27 am

[400] It's good evidence. You can adjust it if you think there are important game-specific factors, but you have to have something to start with.
Well, you don't have to. You can just make it all up. But your predictions will be much better if you start with some actual data.

404 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:28 am

well, that's just great. it's leverage level is now ready for the Yanks to pluck someone outta the stands to pitch. how 'bout the guy in the #38 jersey. at least that Bruney struck a few guys out!

405 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:28 am

[401] Strongly against juicing in all forms, I believe!

406 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:28 am

[403] I gave you specific data...and that's the data that counts.

407 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:29 am

You can't seriously tell me Joe Girardi is trying to win this game.

408 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:29 am

[405] the aforementioned wrestler, refers to it as "on the gas"...

409 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:30 am

I see what Girardi is doing...he is taking a high leverage situation and making it low leverage so the Angels waste their closer. Brilliant. Here but for the grace of the Kansas City Royals go a collapse.

410 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:30 am

Rally Monkey > Score Truck : (

411 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:30 am

[406] But you are not able to say how the specifics contribute to the leverage. So actually, you're speculating.

412 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:30 am

[407] If he is, he's failing miserably. I'm sorry but this was another winnable game flushed down the toilet. Now I'm starting to question Girardi whereas before I was half-heartedly defending him. But Bruney and Alby when much better and not overworked options are available?

413 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:31 am

[407] Sadly, he may very well be, which is actually more of a problem. Why the Yankees are willing to allow their $200mn investment be run by an awful manager is beyond me. You can set your clock by his daily incompetence.

414 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:31 am

Sciosa thwarts Girardi and refuses to fall into his leverage trap!

415 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:33 am

Swinging 3-1 down 3 runs in the 9th? Are you serious? Is this team even trying?

416 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:33 am

Why is Fuentes the closer rather than Oliver?
Smart move leaving in Saunders, by the way. When Scioscia makes a good move, I have to give him credit, even though I think he's a lousy manager.

417 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:33 am

Not to mention we have Gaudin starting tomorrow, so it's unlikely we'll need Hughes or anyone for that matter to protect a lead that they're apparently being saved for.

418 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:33 am

[411] They don't play these games on stratomatic cards, so speculation will have to do.

419 Rich   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:34 am

Girardi is trying to test my optimism, but no matter how poorly he manages the pen, he's not going to weaken my resolve.

420 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:34 am

[418] Oh, how would it be different if they played it on strat-o-matic cards?

421 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:34 am

I wonder what the leverage would be if this was a 3-2 game?

422 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:35 am

[417] Excellent point...thanks for raising my spirits. With the off day Thursday, maybe the Yankees can get away with not using Hughes all week?

423 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:36 am

[422] Hughes can pitch in a simulated game then, to get in some work.

424 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:36 am

[421] Wondering becomes you.
Make sure you don't look it up! The data are irrelevant. Just see what your intuition tells you.

425 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:36 am

[420] Then we could dispense with watching the game and just look at some tables to tell us what the outcome will be.

426 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:37 am

[424] Damn, Swisher didn't consult Tango Tiger before taking that hack!

427 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:38 am

[413] There's no way even he thinks this was a path to victory. He saw that the Sox lost and decided he was playing with house money.

428 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:38 am

[425] will these tables contain any red meat, lobster or jelly? 'coz if so, i'm OUT! ; )

speaking of outs, 1 more 2 go... : /

429 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:38 am

[425] I thought you still had to play stratomatic. That's the way it was when I was a kid. No?

430 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:39 am

[426] It didn't leave the park, though, because of Girardi!

431 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:39 am

i wish they gave Alex an SB - he's sooo close to the 300-300 club!

432 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:41 am

Yep...the Yankees were wise not to play this game to win.

433 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:41 am

Cano will tie the game right here.

seriously. watch.

434 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:41 am

[430] It amazes me that baseball has "evolved" to the point that a 3-1 deficit in the seventh inning is somehow garbage time now because some new stat says its so.

Where's Vin Scully when you need him?

435 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:41 am

[432] we might not win, but we're about to tie it!

436 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:42 am

If only Girardi didn't ground out! And I can't believe he wouldn't let the Swisher fly ball go over the fence. He sucks.

437 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:42 am

The Red Sox giveth and Girardi throws it right back.

438 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:43 am


439 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:43 am

Well, Joe got what he wanted.

And gotta love that effort from Cano there.

440 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:43 am

first base. first row. technicalities...

441 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:43 am

[434] It's because now people actually look at the evidence.

442 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:43 am

[436] I'm not going that far, but bullpen management is one of the few key areas a manger can impact in my opinion and he really blew it tonight.

443 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:44 am

[442] Well, I meant manager, but maybe a manger can too, I dunno.

444 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:44 am

[436] I'm sure Tipsy Tiger says the ninth was garbage time anyway.

445 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:44 am

[434] It's an extreme reaction that is just as misguided as those who refuse to take into account any kind of statistic. Of course, Girardi didn't spit the bit out of loyaly to Tango Tiger. He just has no idea what he is doing.

446 Rich   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:45 am

I’m not going that far, but bullpen management is one of the few key areas a manger can impact in my opinion and he really blew it tonight.


447 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:46 am

[441] And the evidence says that a two run deficit in the seventh inning means its time to pack it in and wait for tomorrow.

And I'm pessimistic.

448 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:46 am

This is such a beautiful illustration. Bruney and Albaladejo gave up two runs. The Yankees lost by three runs. And you guys still think they lost because of the bullpen management.

449 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:47 am

with 1 out needed to trigger a $12 million dollar option, Kevin Millwood hit a guy with a pitch. think he was excited much?!

hell, if i were on stage and needed to hit a crash cymbal to trigger a $100 option, i'd prolly fall off the drum throne and throw the stick at the ceiling. then it'll fall on my eye and i'd need all the gig money just to take a cab to the ER. i shoulda been a pro ball player... : /

450 Rich   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:48 am

[448] You don't think that closer games give hitters more confidence and marginal relievers less confident?

451 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:48 am

[447] The evidence says it's low leverage.
I don't know why I bother saying it. You just make up something else so you can make fun of that. You did that yesterday too.

I give up.

452 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:48 am

[448] Clearly, that inning wouldn't have played out differently if it was a 3-2 (or 3-1) game. Is that what Tango Tiger says?

453 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:49 am

[450] ???
I don't know. Did I say something that has some implication to that effect?

454 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:49 am

[443] yes, mangers can definitely do that. i've seen it before!

[446] QFT = Quik Fuking Trip ??? Quality Fart Trucks ??? Queensryche Fantomas Tankard !!!

455 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:50 am

[452] Tango has nothing to say about that. He says he'll just believe your crystal ball, or the feelings in your stomach.

456 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:50 am

[451] The evidence? Does context mean anything to you? Throwing out "evidence" without context IS making things up. I am sorry, but just because you insist it's evidence doesn't erase the lack of context.

457 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:51 am

[451] i had the odds of you giving up at @*&>{~^, so i'd say... 3

458 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:52 am

[456] We've been through this already.
Of course the piles of historical data are evidence. Sure, adjust them for the context, if you know how. But just waving the magic "context" wand is meaningless.

459 Rich   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:52 am


You seemed to support the use of Bruney and Albaladejo, or at least argued that using them wasn't critical to the outcome of the game.

This is such a beautiful illustration. Bruney and Albaladejo gave up two runs. The Yankees lost by three runs. And you guys still think they lost because of the bullpen management.

Am I wrong?

460 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:53 am

[455] That's a start.

461 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:53 am

[457] I thought I was tougher than that. You know me too well.

462 Rich   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:53 am

[454] It could...

463 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:55 am

[458] That's just what we need...a fluid and ever changing leverage table to tell us that the Yankees can score runs and the Angels bullpen can give them up.

464 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:56 am

[459] I don't follow you. It's late.
I said the situation was low leverage. I didn't offer an opinion as to whether Bruney is a good pitcher to call for in a low leverage situation. I said that if he isn't, he shouldn't be on the team at all, and Cashman deserves the blame.

As it happens, the Yankees couldn't score off Saunders, so it didn't matter that Yankee pen coughed up two runs. So in this case, I think the move was (in retrospect) the right one.

465 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:56 am

RIYank, would you support Girardi throwing in the white flag under the same circumstances during a playoff game, because the evidence suggests that it doesn't matter who he pitches?

466 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:57 am

[463] We don't need no stinkin' table. We have the feeling in your stomach, and your magic Context wand.

467 JeremyM   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:58 am

I'm not saying you go to Mo in that 7th and 8th, but Bruney and Alby? We've got a fresh Aceves and Hughes, why not keep the game close? Did it cost them the game today? Well, since they only scored 2, no, it didn't. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid decision. Girardi basically had three decisions to make during the course of the game- he pinch hit Matusi for Molina, which was the obvious choice, and he had two relievers to bring in, and he brought in two awful ones.

468 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:58 am

I also can't figure out how the hell thinking that the 2009 New York Yankees might score two runs in two innings is on par with crystal balls and magic wands.

469 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 12:59 am

[465] Ugh.
I don't support him throwing in the white flag under any circumstances. If it were up to me, Bruney would be in Scranton, as would Albaladejo.
But, right, in a playoff game, you should be less concerned about saving better relievers. I think you should still worry about it (since a crucial situation might come up tomorrow), but less so.

470 Rich   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:00 am

[464] Leverage aside, I think Girardi's poor bullpen management contributed to this loss. That's my only point.

471 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:00 am

[461] no, see "3" is my favorite number. i do everything by 3's. so, that's a good thing! you didn't wanna stick around here late tonight - remember, you posted your lineup stat findings at the Score Truck thread - and...you're still here!

Midas Tough, in my book, at least! : )

Lila Tov

472 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:00 am

[468] "Might score two runs."

They also "might score eight runs". So, there are no mop-up situations at all. Every situation is high leverage. Mo should pitch every game.

473 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:01 am

[470] Okay. I don't see how. Before the bullpen came into play, the Angels had more runs than the Yankees would finish with.

474 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:01 am

[471] Jeez, you're right.
I'm nuts. Even after I said "I give up", I didn't.

475 Bellota   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:02 am

Why? Why? Why? Bruney and Alby?? Hasn't it been established that these two are unreliable? I don't get it and I'm not wasting more time staying up to listen to Girardi's obfuscating.

476 RIYank   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:02 am

Okay, sorry, all, I really do have to give up now. To be continued tomorrow, if anyone's still interested.

477 Rich   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:03 am

[473] Because as I said, closer games make it easer for the offense to come back and harder for relievers to close games out.

478 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:03 am

[466] I hate to break this to you, but the most ardent statistician wouldn't mock context. I can sympathize with being a slave to statistics, but if you think variables don't enter into the equation, then maybe you need to look more deeply.

479 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:05 am

[475] Because those innings were irrelevant.

480 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:05 am

[474] by nuts, do you mean cashews, 'coz if so, i've never...well, you know the rest!

481 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:07 am

There are three camps...one that thinks everything that can be devined by stats; one that thinks nothing can be devined by stats; and one that thinks context and stats come into play. I am very comfortable being in the latter.

Some asked Joe if he is managing differently because of the lead and he said he was trying to win. That's very, very scary. Girardi is an anchor weighing down this team's chances.

482 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:08 am

[472] I think we just have vastly different definitions of mop up duty.

483 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:11 am

Oh great...Bruney had good mechanics! He and Joba should teach clinics.

484 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:17 am

i know it's the "all-important" loss column, but boston has played 2 fewer games than us. i haven't looked at their schedule, but they prolly either have a double header or two, or more likely, NO days off. who knows how huge that is, but there still is pressure to actually win both of those games.

we really need to do better this week and esp. this weekend at home. i'm worried, but we'll probably be alright. i mean, we're gonna be alright - and in the playoffs - no matter what, but the division and home field would be prudent...

485 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:21 am

[483] We're screwed.

486 thelarmis   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:22 am

[485] and not in the good way.

487 Mattpat11   ~  Sep 22, 2009 1:24 am

[486] Certainly not. Bruney is starting to look like Andy Kaufman. Don't want to be screwed by him.

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