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Cleveland Indians II: Comin’ Up

The Yankees took two of three from the Indians at the end of May, but the Indians team they face for four games this week is better than the one they faced two months ago. Since June 27, the Indians have gone 15-9 (.625) thanks to an improved performance from their pitching staff, and a coalescing young offense.

Blue-chip catching prospect Carlos Santana made his major league debut on June 11 and has hit .270/.418/.516 since, most impressively racking up more walks (34) than strikeouts (25). Matt LaPorta, the blue-chipper received from the Brewers for CC Sabathia in 2008, returned to the majors on June 27 to replace Russell Branyan at first base after he was dealt back to Seattle, and has hit .320/.386/.560 since. Shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera just returned from the disabled list last Tuesday and has hit .294 in the Tribe’s four games since. Cabrera has pushed Jason Donald, the infielder received from the Phillies in the Cliff Lee deal, over to his proper place at second base, which should only increase his comfort level. Donald has hit .304/.366/.461 since June 10 and .321/.345/.571 in eight games at second base this year. Heck, even 30-year-old Yankee castoff Shelley Duncan is contributing, hitting .283/.359/.522 while spotting in the outfield corners, first base, and DH.

On the mound, former Red Sock Justin Masterson, who had a 6.13 ERA entering the Indians’ last series against the Yankees, has settled down with a 4.56 ERA in 11 starts dating hack to his quality start against the Yankees on May 30. Jake Westbrook, returning from Tommy John surgery, has posted a 4.38 ERA in 14 starts since May 11. Former Rays prospect, rookie Mitch Talbot, who faces Andy Pettitte’s vacated rotation spot on Thursday, has been solid all season (3.89 ERA). Ditto All-Star Fausto Carmona, who will bring his 3.51 ERA to face A.J. Burnett on Wednesday.

The Cleveland rotation did spring a leak in David Huff’s old spot. With replacement Aaron Laffey having just gone down with a bum shoulder, the Tribe will turn to 25-year-old rookie righty Josh Tomlin Tuesday night against their former ace CC Sabathia. I’ll have more on Tomlin tomorrow, but “25-year-old rookie righty vs. CC Sabathia” tells you most of what you need to know.

The Yanks face former David Justice trade bait Westbrook tonight. By providing 1,183 1/3 league-average innings for the Indians over the years, Westbrook has actually made that trade a net loss for the Yankees, though I can’t imagine many Yankee fans have any regrets about the deal. From 2003 to 2007, Westbrook posted a 4.11 ERA in 922 2/3 innings over 143 starts and 15 relief appearances for the Tribe, but in 2008 he made just five starts before going down with an elbow injury that led to Tommy John surgery. He then missed all of the 2009 season, but has returned to his old form this year and, in the final year of his contract, is actually considered a low-end starting pitching option for teams looking to fill a back-end-of-the-rotation hole prior to the trading deadline, teams that could include the Yankees in the wake of Andy Pettitte’s groin injury.

I still think the Yankees would be better off giving Ivan Nova a look, but that’s a rant for another day. Tonight, they have Javier Vazquez looking to rebound from a poor start against the Angels. Vazquez seems to have finally settled in as the mid-rotation starter the Yankees hoped he would be when they acquired him from the Braves this past offseason. He hasn’t had consecutive poor outings since April 25 and May 1 and nine of his 12 starts since then have been quality starts. Vazquez hasn’t faced the Indians since he was with the White Sox in 2008, which means half of the Cleveland lineup has never seen him before.

The Yankees run out their standard lineup tonight with Jorge Posada at DH and Francisco Cervelli behind the plate. Despite his hit-by-pitch scare, Alex Rodriguez is back at third base, still sitting on 599 career homers. Nick Swisher remains in right, batting second.

Cleveland Indians

2010 Record: 41-57 (.418)
2010 Pythagorean Record: 42-56 (.429)

Manager: Manny Acta
General Manager: Mark Shapiro

Home Ballpark: Jacobs Progressive Field

Bill James Park Indexes (2007-2009):
LH Avg-100, LH HR-91
RH Avg-95, RH HR-96

Who’s Replaced Whom:

  • Carlos Santana (minors) has replaced Lou Marson (minors)
  • Michael Brantley (minors) has replaced Russell Branyan
  • Asdrubal Cabrera (DL) has replaced Luis Valbuena (minors)
  • Jayson Nix has replaced Mark Grudzielanek
  • Chris Gimenez (minors) has replaced Mike Redmond
  • Andy Marte has returned from the DL
  • Josh Tomlin (minors) will replace* David Huff (minors)
  • Frank Herrmann (minors) has replaced Kerry Wood (DL)
  • Joe Smith (minors) has replaced Aaron Laffey (DL)
  • Jess Todd (minors) has replaced Jamey Wright

*note that a move will have to be made to add Tomlin to the 40- and 25-man rosters before his scheduled start on Tuesday

1B – Matt LaPorta (R)
2B – Jason Donald (R)
SS – Asdrubal Cabrera (S)
3B – Jhonny Peralta (R)
C – Carlos Santana (S)
RF – Shin-Soo Choo (L)
CF – Michael Brantley (L)
LF – Trevor Crowe (S)
DH – Travis Hafner (L)

Bench:

R – Austin Kearns (OF)
R – Shelley Duncan (OF/1B)
R – Jayson Nix (IF)
R – Andy Marte (3B)
R – Chris Gimenez (C/UT)

Rotation:

R – Fausto Carmona
R – Mitch Talbot
R – Justin Masterson
R – Jake Westbrook
[R - Josh Tomlin]

Bullpen:

R – Chris Perez
L – Tony Sipp
L – Rafael Perez
R – Hector Ambriz
R – Frank Herrmann
R – Joe Smith
R – Jess Todd

15-day DL:

RHP – Kerry Wood (blister on right index finger)
LHP – Aaron Laffey (left shoulder fatigue)

60-day DL:

CF – Grady Sizemore (surgery on left knee)
RHP – Anthony Reyes (Tommy John surgery)

Typical Lineup:

L – Michael Brantley (CF)
S – Asdrubal Cabrera (SS)
L – Shin-Soo Choo (RF)
S – Carlos Santana (C)
R – Matt LaPorta (1B)
L – Travis Hafner (DH)
R – Jhonny Peralta (3B)
S – Trevor Crowe (CF)
R – Jason Donald (SS)

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1 The Hawk   ~  Jul 26, 2010 6:11 pm

Joba sucks!

; )

2 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 6:26 pm

[1] Dave Eiland, Mike Harkey: stay or go?

3 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 6:43 pm

Nice to see the Yankees finally admit the obvious and send Mitre back to the bullpen. Granted, Mosely will probably be just as bad, but watching someone else pitch miserably wont be as frustrating as watching Mitre do it again.

4 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:03 pm

[3] Agreed.

Sigh, I'm stuck with the Indians announcers. Don't know much about them, maybe they'll be semi-decent.

5 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:05 pm

*sigh* I can follow the game on radio indoors now. Before I had to sit out in the car and I would be without reliable access to Banter. Now it's sea water for a thirsty man...

6 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:05 pm

[4] Normally, I would say your better off, but Kay isn't in the booth today.

7 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:06 pm

[4] Jinx...

8 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:08 pm

[6] Who is in the booth?

9 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:10 pm

[8] Singleton and Flaherty.

10 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:11 pm

Flash and Kenny.

11 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:13 pm

[9] In effect, you trade a defective roman candle for a damp sparkler.

12 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:15 pm

[11] Very nice.

13 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:16 pm

Always like seeing the name, Asdrubal.

14 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:16 pm

We aren't going to be Asdruballed to death, are we? A dribble here, a dribble there, pretty soon you're drowning in it.

15 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:17 pm

Shin Soo Choo, who is no more than twenty two.

(OK, he's 28, but work with me here.)

16 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:20 pm

[15] If you can come up with a limerick, I'll give you poetic license.

17 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:21 pm

[15] Okay, but where are you going with this?

"I just looked at Suzyn and said, 'I'm amazed!'"
That's an interesting lead-in statement...

18 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:23 pm

[17] Little Cindy Lou Who, who was no more than two.

Remember your Grinch.

19 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:24 pm

Glad to hear Kenny qualify the Cano third fastest to 1,000 hits by mentioning "in the expansion era". Seems like everyone else left that important fact out.

20 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:24 pm

[16] I can't think of one.

21 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:25 pm

Hello all.

Listening to the Cleveland radio feed brings back nice memories of my nearly ten years in Ohio.

22 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:25 pm

[20] There once was a catcher named 'Choo'...

23 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:26 pm

19) Third fastest by age or games played (in the expansion era, of course)?

24 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:26 pm

[23] At bats.

25 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:27 pm

[21] I also spent ten years in Ohio. I think it was in 1989. Well, felt like ten years.

(Actually, I like Cleveland.)

26 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:28 pm

[16],[20] Me neither (not for this site, anyway)...

27 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:28 pm

Kenny calls a good game.

28 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:28 pm

Well, that ball was "pronked" ...

29 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:29 pm

[25] :)

30 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:29 pm

[28] It certainly wasn't Asdruballed.

31 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:29 pm

Not unexpected.

32 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:29 pm

25) Haha.

In all seriousness, though, I spent nearly ten years in grad school and teaching in and around Columbus. I loved it there.

33 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:30 pm

Oh, speaking of getting to 1000 hits, I haven't been watching too closely lately, but it seems like Derek's hitting the ball a little harder lately, am I wrong?

34 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:30 pm

[28] Someone can work that into the limerick...

35 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:31 pm

[32] Back in the days of the Clippers or just after?

36 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:31 pm

33) It looks that way to me, though he is still a ground ball machine. But yeah, a couple more line drives and sharply hit balls.

37 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:32 pm

[32] I thought about moving to Columbus once. We (my wife and I) were looking around the Granville area.

38 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:33 pm

[34] I bet Sliced is working on it as we type... (if not, he'll start as soon as he sees this) ;)

39 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:34 pm

[[35] The Clippers days...I was there from '94 to '04. I saw Jeter, Posada, Mo (I think), Nick Johnson, Ledee, Juan Rivera, blah blah. Lots of talent, some of it legitimate and a good bit AAAA level. It was fun, though.

40 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:36 pm

[39] Wow, very cool!

41 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:36 pm

[37] Weird...I taught for five years as an adjunct in Granville while I was finishing my dissertation. Nice, quiet college town, but most of the young profs lived in Columbus where the "action" was. I lived in Columbus and commuted.

42 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:39 pm

[33] He hit the ball well in a couple games over the weekend, but nothing really sustained.

43 The Hawk   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:41 pm

It doesn't look like the Yanks are "into" this one. Everyone's just hanging out waiting for A Rod to hit ihs stupid A Bomb

44 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:42 pm

You gotta bring your A-game when Cy Westbrook is on the mound.

Now, on previous threads I expressed confidence that the Yankees would not make a silly move for the sake of it this season. However, a fluky performance by Westbrook before the deadline...

45 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:42 pm

[41] Aha, Denison, right?
Yeah, I looked in the action-y part of Columbus, but my wife was not into it at all.

46 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:43 pm

[43, 44] Hm. They did not bring their A-Game because they are waiting for A-Rod's A-Bomb.

47 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:43 pm

A teammate of young Shin Soo Choo
Could play first base better than Who
Javy V, from the Bronx
Got his hanging curve Pronked
'Bout four hundred feet into the blue.

(I know, he doesn't play first at all, but he once did, and I'm using my license.)

48 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:45 pm

[45] Yep. Denison...the (other) Big Red, where Woody Hayes cut his teeth coaching before the big time.

49 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:47 pm

[48] Didn't know that!
My son is going to Oberlin, a sister of Denison's.

50 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:48 pm

Fuck!

Fucking hell, he crushed that.

51 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:48 pm

Stick goes Pronk!!!

52 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:48 pm

[49] Musician?

53 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:48 pm

I'd rather be Pronked than Swished!

54 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:48 pm

Swish asdruballed that one. ; )

55 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:49 pm

[47] Excellent! Gets the Nick Swisher seal of approval.

56 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:49 pm

Huh. A home run. And no more no hitter. I wonder what's next?

57 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:50 pm

....and Nick Swisher played for a surprisingly good OSU baseball team when we were in Columbus.

♪ Memories....♬

58 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:51 pm

You have to be fucking kidding me.

59 cult of basebaal   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:51 pm

THAT CLEARLY BOUNCED!

WHERE ARE OUR ROBOT UMPIRE OVERLORDS?????

60 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:51 pm

Bullshit.

61 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:51 pm

boooooooooooooooo

62 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:52 pm

At least they're conferring. Could go either way.

63 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:52 pm

[49] Ah yes, one of the Ohio Six. Pretty good schools in general. I liked Denison a lot.

64 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:53 pm

[52] Yes, but in the liberal arts college, not the conservatory.

65 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:54 pm

I take it that I am glad not to have seen the play. The Indians announcers almost immediately said it was a blown call.

66 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:54 pm

Well, a Yankee game just isn't a Yankee game without the pure outrage from Bullshit Umpiring®

67 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:54 pm

The umpiring truly gets worse every year.

68 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 7:54 pm

[64] Ah. Cool. I went to Grinnell, so I'm all for Oberlin! :)

69 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:00 pm

Javy is settling nicely into the Cashman Good Move column.

70 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:01 pm

I think I'll call the Sanders Law Firm and sue MLB on behalf of baseball fans who have had their intelligence insulted and their feelings hurt by defective umpiring...

71 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:01 pm

Obviously blown call in the Tampa - Detroit game. Tampa runner was clearly thrown out trying to steal. Leyland gets tossed in arguing.

72 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:03 pm

[71] Detroit has been screwed left and right by umpiring this season, with the most example obviously being the perfect-o.

73 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:05 pm

[72] I'd say bad umpiring is the least of the problems in Motown...

74 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:05 pm

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!

75 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:06 pm

He was fucking safe.

76 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:06 pm

Wow, Grandy's not having a good year, huh?

77 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:06 pm

He beat it.

78 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:06 pm

Where's yes-mo? I say bad call #2.

79 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:06 pm

[76] Umps aren't

80 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:06 pm

Are you kidding me? Girardi has to get himself tossed now.

81 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:07 pm

Posada's base running is contagious? Nope, the Indians announcers just admitted Granderson beat the tag.

82 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:07 pm

2 feet right in front of the fucking umpire's face.

83 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:08 pm

So the umps have literally cost the Yanks an entire inning of outs in the span of two innings.

84 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:09 pm

[80] Not in a tie game I imagine, unless it gave the other team a chance to blow it open...

85 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:10 pm

[79] Most of them think they are, which is the real problem...

86 patrick b   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:12 pm

I'm stuck watching the Cleveland TV. After rationalizing the AROD trap as "too close to call" ignoring the obvious bounce into the glove, even they had to admit the blown call at 2nd. That play wasn't even close -- ump was in perfect position but I guess he was so enamoured by the throw that he felt he had to call Curtis out. I used to say that the umps were about 50% on plays that actually required some skill to make the correct call (there are only about 4 a game, 3 of which are usually at 1st). Based on the last week they are at 0%.

87 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:24 pm

Did we all get booted or is this game just boring?

88 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:25 pm

[87] ::lurking::

89 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:25 pm

"This is as sharp as we've seen Westbrook all season"
Indians announcer.

Great, just great.

90 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:26 pm

In a tight game, those two blown calls really sting. Aren't we getting close to Javy's melting point?

91 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:26 pm

[89] Well yeah, he's got a chance to escape...

92 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:27 pm

[90] I was just about to caution you, but too late...

93 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:27 pm

[89] So long as Cashman isn't watching with little valentines in his eyes, like Pepé Le Pew.

94 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:28 pm

[92] Sorry, I'm listening on the computer with a big, big time lag. Didn't leave you much time.

95 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:30 pm

Hooray bad base running!

96 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:30 pm

[93] Heh.

97 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:35 pm

Hi folks .... just got in from a long day ....

98 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:36 pm

[97] And just in time for another one! >;)

99 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:36 pm

Greinke gave up 6 runs in the first tonight ... let's see if we can deal Joba for him!

100 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:38 pm

There is twice the amount of interesting going on in the DET/TB game right now.

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101 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:43 pm

[100] Yup. Keep your eyes on the Detroit Tampa game folks.

102 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:44 pm

Two hits against Westbrook? It's 34 C here at 9am..tYanks losing to Cleveland, Mr. Spacely just said "guys, we're in deep doo-doo.."...this is not going to be a fun morning for Mr. Jazz, is it...

103 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:44 pm

[100] Double of nothing

104 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:46 pm

[101] Whoa!!!

105 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:47 pm

Coming into this game, the last think I expected was Westbrook would shutdown the offense.

106 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:48 pm

13. Just Fair
July 26th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Always like seeing the name, Asdrubal.

I know.... I'm really tired and my as is drubaling.

107 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:49 pm

[102] Is it humid there? I wouldn't go to the fish market that afternoon if I were you...

108 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:51 pm

[107] Yesterday it was, about 60% on whatever scale they use..totally drenched in sweat walking home. Today a bit sunnier and drier..summer's here are apalling, though sounds like NYC even worse!

109 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:54 pm

Maybe the Yankees should trade for Westbrook just to get him out of this game.

110 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:54 pm

Scherzer for Detroit still has a no-hitter going, but walked the bases loaded against TB... one out for TB in the 6th.

111 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:55 pm

Pena up, sacs loaded.

112 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:57 pm

[109] Hahaha

Well played, sir.

113 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:59 pm

Oops... sorry. 2 BBs and an error. Full count to Pena.
STRIKES OUT PENA!

114 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 8:59 pm

No fastballs.

115 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:02 pm

Bases loaded, 2 out, full count AGAIN.

116 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:03 pm

Grand Slam.

Talk about a way to break up a no hitter.

117 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:03 pm

[115] 100 pitches in the 6th..no way he makes it to 9..

118 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:03 pm

It's funny, but I think Javy's biggest mistake in this game was not throwing over to first on the 3-2 pitch to Choo. Brantley had such a big lead and left so early that he practically was at 2B by the time the ball landed.

119 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:03 pm

GS HR, 4-0 TB ...

120 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:04 pm

[106] As my friend from Tennessee liked to say, "Don't get any on ya." ; )

121 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:05 pm

Even if they don't score, it would be nice if the Yankees could clear Jeter for the ninth.

122 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:06 pm

Pinch run for Jorge!

123 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:07 pm

Very surprised to not see a lefty here.

124 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:07 pm

CURTIS!!

125 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:08 pm

Goddamn Straight. That's my man!

126 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:08 pm

Try and call Curtis out on that!

127 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:08 pm

That was so predictable. My alter ego on Cleveland Banter is absolutely killing Manny Acta now.

128 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:08 pm

[122] I actually agree with that in this situation.

129 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:08 pm

[128] Can I change my mind?

YAY Grandy!

130 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:09 pm

Wow, Grandy's not having a good year, huh? >;)

I'm surprised the umps got that one right; they might have called it a ground rule double because they didn't see it reach the third deck...

131 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:09 pm

421' for Grandy.

132 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:10 pm
133 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:10 pm

Kick save and a beauty. D'oh!

134 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:10 pm

Christ. Stopped it with his foot.

135 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:11 pm

Are the Indians fans chanting "Pittsburgh sucks?"

Nice change from what NY usually hears.

136 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:11 pm

[127] A scary thought. Though maybe your alter ego in Cleveland is more like a Bizarro William, who agrees with all of the moves the manager makes and generally is very low key during games?

137 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:11 pm

[121] Well, they did clear Jeter for the ninth :)

138 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:12 pm

Jeter's infield groundouts bring me down ...

139 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:12 pm

[136] I hope not....that wouldn't make him very much fun at all.

140 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:13 pm

[131] 420 for Grandy! (well, not really... >;)

141 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:13 pm

[138] His ABs this season have given me the same feeling as Matsui's first 2 months as a Yankee.

142 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:13 pm

I abandoned my computer, but I'm checking back in: very Grand inning!

143 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:14 pm

8 innings from JV would be nice.

144 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:14 pm

Oh boy...3-0 to speedy Brantley.

145 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:15 pm

[141] Even I have given up my usual apologia for Jeter. I just hope he's battling some secret injury and bounces back next year with one last nice season.

146 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:15 pm

[127] williamcle23 is pretty pissed right now, for sure.

147 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:15 pm

That's just a terrible job by Vazquez.

148 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:15 pm

That, JV, is f%$#ing lame. Don't walk the lead off guy.

149 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:16 pm

Walking a guy batting .157? Ouch.

150 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:17 pm

So, who owns the all important eight inning tonight? Oooh, Robertson. I guess Joba is unavailable after yesterday (a serious question)?

151 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:18 pm

Great...now I get my chance to kill Girardi. He takes out his starter, who is not only pitching very well, but also holds runner better than any, in favor of an erratic reliever who yields an OPS of .908 to lefties (and there are three lefties in a row).

Managers do help win and lose games, and we are getting a perfect illustration tonight.

152 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:20 pm

[151] Remember, it's all a chess match and Girardi is a grand master. His gambit is unorthodox, but he's three moves ahead of the likes of you and me.

153 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:20 pm

[150] well at least its not Hughes

154 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:21 pm

[150] Via Lohud:

"If the Yankees have a slim lead in the eighth inning, “I’ll probably lean toward Joba,” Girardi said. “… If it’s David Robertson’s time to come in in the seventh, I’m going to bring him in. I’m not going to hold him back.”"

So I'm assuming Joba threw too many pitches yesterday.

155 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:22 pm

It's not the reason because Robertson was warming earlier, but Joba has done such a terrible job holding runners, you really couldn't bring him into the game with a speedy runner on first.

156 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:22 pm

[153] True, so true.

157 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:22 pm

Whoo-hooo. 6-4-3. Next.

158 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:22 pm

Great double play by both Jeter and Cano.

159 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:22 pm

Beautiful DP!

160 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:23 pm

Girardi's genius manifests itself again!

161 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:24 pm

BTW, I was at Mud Hens - Bison game the other night, and who did I see pitch for Buffalo but our old friend Brian Bruney.

162 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:24 pm

I'll come right out and say it...

with a lead in the division and the game, and their ace going tomorrow...you might as well see if ya got something in Boone Logan here.

163 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:24 pm

[160] Trust the Process!! (Wait, that's for Royals Ruffians.com.. I lurk there sometimes..)

164 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:25 pm

Robertson gets a DP and is quickly removed for Logan. Knight to e4.

165 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:25 pm

[162] I hate bullpen roulette under all circumstances.

166 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:25 pm

Interesting...now this move makes perfect sense. Kind of weird that he would burn Robertson for one batter when Cabrera really doesn't hit well from either side, but going to Logan here makes sense.

167 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:26 pm

[164] Hm, a strange move, Mr. Girardi... I believe you have made a fatal mistake... bwah ha haha ahaha aha!

168 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:27 pm

[164] [165] Choo and Santana both struggled against lefties, but murder righties, so in this case, I think Logan is the right move.

Of course, that doesn't mean Boone wont blow it.

169 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:27 pm

Wow!
Amazing.

170 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:27 pm

there ya go

171 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:27 pm

[164] [167] Damn, you, Girardi! I am foiled again!!!

172 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:28 pm

Good job Boone.

173 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:28 pm

if anyone can pull off the Hitler mustache in 2010, its His Airness.

174 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:29 pm
175 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:29 pm

[173] ???? MJ??

176 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:29 pm

If anyone can think of consecutive batters with better names than Asdrubal and Shin-Soo I'd like to be privy to that info. : )

177 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:30 pm

I'm still trying to figure out what Jordan is doing with that... Did like his nice little putdown of LeBron the other day though. "In my day, I was trying to beat Magic and Bird."

178 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:32 pm

[175] haha yeah, he rocks it in the new Hanes commercial running on YES...it suits him well.

I love how he just owns it. Like "yeah, I'm MJ...I have 6 rings, if I feel like growing a Hitler stache you're not gonna stop me." Gotta respect that.

179 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:32 pm

I think A-Rod gets #600 here.

180 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:34 pm

C'Mon, Tigers. Get your shit together.

181 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:34 pm

Damn. He missed it.

That was his pitch.

182 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:35 pm

[178] MJ is our Babe Ruth, can do whatever he wants..but I don't get the ripping of LeBron evereywhere. Guy can play where he wants! Sportswriters are so lame..

183 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:35 pm

[179] Or not. I forgot they are NOT playing in an elevator shaft.

184 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:36 pm

Cano is going to set some kind of record for IBB.

185 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:37 pm

[182] yeah I agree, but I think if you were here you'd get the rage. Its not that he left, I don't think anyone holds that against him, its that he went on national television and basically humiliated his hometown for no real reason.

Its one thing for your girlfriend to dump you, its another thing for her to dump you for Brad Pitt live on the jumbotron during halftime of the Super Bowl

186 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:37 pm

[182] I'm giving that really Serious Consideration, trust me... >;)

187 seamus   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:38 pm

IBB to face Posada. Doesn't happen often...

188 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:38 pm

[182] Plus he's giving up $ for championships.

Make 'em pay, Jorge.

189 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:38 pm

[182] I think some are put off by what looks like collusion by a few very good players to create a sort of super-team. I don't care about it much one way or another, but then I don't a shit about the NBA. But I can see how it might rub some people the wrong way. And in any case, MJ's comment was funny: he didn't say it was wrong, only that he beat the best players in the league. He didn't need to join up with them.

Whatever. Tempest, tea pot.

190 seamus   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:39 pm

[187] actually i realize it's happened a fair amount this year. but in general gotta be a new feeling for Hip Hip

191 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:39 pm

Damn...I thought Progressive was supposed to provide insurance.

192 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:39 pm

Damn. Soclose. Guess I was being tooptomistic.

193 seamus   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:39 pm

damn

194 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:39 pm

It was all about the way it was handled. An hour-long special? As others have said, Jordan unretired with a two-word fax. It actually made A-Rod's opt-out announcement in 2006 look classy. Plus, it followed his bizarre performance in the latter half of the Boston series.

195 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:39 pm

[184] Bonds had 120 in 2004, ain't nobody touching that

196 seamus   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:40 pm

joba for the close?

hehe

197 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:40 pm

Sterling did it again...

[185] Brad pretty much did that already, if I recall...

198 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:40 pm

[191]
+1

199 Raf   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:41 pm

[184] Maybe the Yankee record for IBB?

200 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:42 pm

[185/6/9] The tv special was ridiculous, of course..but why did people watch it? LeBron is 25 years old! Damn, how many bad decisions did I make at that age? The whole Bill Simmons idea of "legacy" and " tortured fan base" is pathetic..sorry but I just feel there are many people out there that don't like seeing LeBron do as he pleases..he owes Cleveland nothing!

Bring it, Chyll!!

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201 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:42 pm

[195] I was actually thinking for a 2B...turns out the record is 21, although Cano has already set the record for most IBB by a Yankee 2B.

202 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:42 pm

[196] Stop that...

203 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:43 pm

Mariano..0.98 ERA...wow...

204 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:44 pm

1 down in Tampa

205 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:45 pm

[200] Questions that I intend to find an answer for, plus questions you might not have thought to ask...

206 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:45 pm

[200] I did a lot of dumb things when I was 25. I'm not sure that relative "youth" of 25 absolved me. You are correct of course that James does not really owe anyone anything. On the other hand, you're being unrealistic and maybe a bit unfair not to expect, even allow, some people to be off put by the entire circus.

207 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:46 pm

Why MLB is not showing Garza live is beyond me.

208 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:47 pm

Anyone have stats about Mo's first pitch?
It seems like he's 1-0 a lot more this season than ever before.

209 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:47 pm

Mo not sharp tonight.

210 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:47 pm

Gulp.

211 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:47 pm

[207] Because the game is on ESPN.

212 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:48 pm

No no for Garza ... 1 walk

213 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:48 pm

No no for Garza!

214 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:48 pm

Arod looked very spry on that play.

215 Raf   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:48 pm

[207] I'm tuned in, it seems they're having technical difficulties

216 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:49 pm

Mariano Rivera.

217 Raf   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:49 pm

no no for TB

218 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:49 pm

Bros Icing Brogna had Matty Garza going tonight, that should be like 20 fantasy points for me

219 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:49 pm

Mariano Rivera, ladies and gentlemen.

220 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:49 pm

232 BBs total for Barry in 2004. Just a sick, sicik year.
Oh... he hit 45 HRs that year (between walks)!

221 RIYank   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

Thanks be to Mo.

222 rbj   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

Mo.

What more needs to be said.

223 seamus   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

Mo closes it. God, i'm gonna miss this guy when he retires.

224 JeremyM   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

Mo.

225 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

All rise. Hope Garza's tired for the rest of the year.

226 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

Well, that turned out to be an interesting game after all...

227 Dimelo   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

GFY Matt Garza!!!

228 RagingTartabull   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:51 pm

the Rays play a clip of Johnny Drama screaming "VICTORY!!!" after a win?? Can we contract this team please?

229 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:51 pm

God, I love this guy.

230 Dimelo   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:51 pm

Great game today, didn't want the story to be how the Rays are so good because of Garza's no-no.

231 Just Fair   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:52 pm

Curtis beams enthusiasm. Good dude for sure.

232 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:52 pm

off to watch armageddon :-)

233 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:53 pm

[206] That same media that enables such a circus is the one acting horrifed at his "betrayal" and "immaturity"..one advantage being far away, I can just focus on the games and avoid all the nattering nabobs!

234 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:53 pm

[208] Mo has gone to a 1-0 on 44% of hitters, compared to 38% for his career.

235 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:54 pm

Amazing - the quick scan I just did shows the Banter to have reacted to Girardi's moves almost completely in the opposite manner of my reactions.

Reflections to follow...

236 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:56 pm

[234] Cheers! So I'm not crazy.

I'm guessing that's still insanely below league average.

237 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:56 pm

That the 5th No-No this season?? Wow..

238 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:57 pm

[233] Works both ways though...Lebron is Lebron because so many people care about every little thing he does.

239 Raf   ~  Jul 26, 2010 9:59 pm

[237] That is correct. Haven't seen that many since '91

240 patrick b   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:00 pm

Great win. So, does Joe G. get a little credit?

241 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:01 pm

[233] As I get older, the more I think this argument is somewhat bogus. Inasmuch as sports news is, well, news, then sports news agencies have an obligation to report the goings on. That does not mean that the various talking heads, especially those hired to give editorial opinions, should be disallowed from passing judgment on the events.

Again, I personally don't care very much about this particular affair. But I do understand how some people would be rubbed the wrong way by the way it unfolded.

242 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:05 pm

So... as someone who falls very regularly on the side of defending Girardi, I thought he was simply awful tonight. They won the game, but there were multiple instances that had me thinking, "if he wants to go to Chicago, fine."

The first complaint is a small one, hewing dangerously close to the pointless. But I get pissed off when no one on the Yankees' bench seems to make a move or a peep on a call like the CG call at 2nd. My naked-eye view on first watch said that I thought Curtis was safe. I sure as hell thought it was dicey. And the replay showed that he was CLEARLY safe (note to announcers: stop referring to such a thing as a "great play" - it is not a great play - rather, it is a "great throw"; if the umpires weren't such fat. useless sacks of crap, Curtis is standing on 2nd, and we have a nice 2nd and 3rd, 1 out opportunity to squander).

No move from Girardi or the bench to complain reinforced my impression that the team was sleepwalking through this game up to the Posada at bat (great, great AB), and the Granderson bomb.

Funny, though, I walked away from the game for one moment and was cursing Girardi for not pinch running for Jorge there. Imo, Joe got lucky. I think with no outs, it is inexcusable not to have a guy who can go from 1st to 3rd better than Jorge in the game. Then, boom. Mistake erased.

Here's where I really differed from the other Banterers: I hated Javy coming out for the 8th. This guy doesn't lose it according to pitch count. And Javy can sigh all he wants, but when you walk the lead off batter, you have nowhere to look except the mirror.

Javy had been losing it, gradually, inning to inning at that point. His velocity declined each late inning, and his location grew progressively worse.

He gave up the 2nd run in the 6th, wriggled out of 1st and 3rd in the 7th, and on the one batter in the 8th, he had sweet fuck all for velocity and his location was terrible enough to walk a guy hitting something like .170 who can run like the wind.

I didn't need to see him pitch the first batter of the 8th to know I didn't want to see him in the 8th.

243 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:05 pm

[233] one advantage being far away, I can just focus on the games and avoid all the nattering nabobs!

And yet, ironically, you are the one who set this discussion in motion [182]!

244 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:05 pm

[241] Reporting the goings on in sports is fine. Having a "Countdown box" to the Decision on your front page, putting on a one-hour special...this is excess. LeBron was misguided with that idiotic special and the "taking his talents.." line..but he's ultimately a good guy and awesome b'ball player. Anyone writing editroials or burning a jersey about the matter..jeez, get a life!

Same with all the A-Rod nonsense..top-10 all time player, that's all that counts. (well, i DID love the centaur bit, though..)

245 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:06 pm

[243] Only because I value the collective Banter opinions so much, sir!!

246 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:11 pm

[244] But presumably ESPN et al would not run a countdown to decision (etc) if there was not a market for it. I can't blame the network for providing a service that is in demand. At the same time, I can't blame talking heads on this or that opinion show for expressing distaste for it.

In fact, that's the beauty of this whole affair. There is a market demanding hourly updates, waiting to tune in to the press conference, and probably an equally large number of consumers completely turned off by the whole deal.

247 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:13 pm

[246] Is there really a market for it, though? Have you ever met ANYone who said "can't wait to watch 4 hours of ESPN coverage of the Decision"?

The again, I spend wayyyy too many hours at this place so...

More and more I find ESPN unreadable..having RIck Reily and Bill Simmons as your two star columnists? Yuck...

248 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:14 pm

Anyway, enough discussion of the NBA. (I would definitely support a new posting guideline banning all NBA talk, but that's just me).

It looks like good old Canadian sports TV is switching over to the Sox-Angels game. I love me some west coast baseball.

249 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:17 pm

[248] No NBA, no soccer...damn Prof, what next..no beer or jazz talk?? :)

Sox-Angels..i'll be in and out. Mr. Spacely gone for rest of the day so time to ease back the pedal..where's thelarmis for some choice Sox profanity?

250 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:17 pm

Here my thoughts seem to be a complete departure from the rest of you - I was pleased that at least Vasquez was lifted after that one batter, with no chance to lose, and no chance to provide further evidence of what I felt I could see pretty clearly - he had pitched his best baseball of the night, and anything to come would be much worse.

I have really liked everything I've seen out of Robertson recently - stuff, velocity, mound presence, composure, competitiveness - and I thought that the moment CG's ball landed in the seats, this became a precious game to steal. Which means go to the guy absolutely most capable of pitching the 8th, which is D Rob (not Vasquez, and not Joba).

I was very grateful to see DR and not Joba, period.

I hated the move to bring in Boone Logan. My thinking had a few factors in mind - 1) I don't think Logan has the stuff to make lefties look stupid in a way that even Marte has (I am always a bigger Marte supporter than most, and think that when he's right, he can look awfully good), 2) Robertson is your best pitcher out of your bullpen right now, period. There's nothing wrong with having your best pitcher, who has shown good stuff out of the gate tonight, already, on the hill for ALL of the outs in the 8th inning. 3) If by some chance the Indians tie the game because of your over-managing, you just burned your best bullpen arm on one batter. Me no likey.

Again, Girardi got away with it. I admit, that I'm becoming a bit intrigued by Loone Bogan (v2) - and have been a bit from the first outing I saw from him this year. But our LOOGY did make one big mistake on a hanger to Chu, which means Girardi got away with one. Admittedly, take away that one pitch, and Loone actually made Chu look silly.

I guess that's all I was annoyed with tonight, but I thought those were big moves and the wrong moves. I was very frustrated with hyper-Joe tonight.

But winning cures all frustration - I like those W's. So these are just thoughts.

Two other things:

Singleton said exactly what I was thinking - is it pretty much clear cut that Robby has the strongest arm of any 2B in the league - like, maybe, it isn't that close? Because his arm is sick.

And Mo is a marvel. There may not have been maximum cut going on, but 93, 94, 93??!??!

Mo's velocity has been astounding at times, this year.

Me likey.

Thanks be to Mo. Man, is he amazing. And Cleveland fans who packed it in - passing up the opportunity to see Mariano work? That is a missed opportunity.

251 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:18 pm

These days, there is demand for any and all voyeuristic opportunities... but I'm not sure you can call it news. We even love watching fat people lose weight.

In the 60's, many reporters knew JFK was sleeping around, including with MM. Yet is wasn't reported, becauses ideas like 'taste' and 'personal' still had value.

The fact that there is 'demand' may seem like justification, but you wonder in today's day and age, when the media will draw the line... if ever.

252 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:18 pm

[247] My last post on this.

Look at the following:

http://tinyurl.com/29wxn4c

The articles claims that The Decision was a huge ratings draw. The money quote:

The figures released so far made Thursday's telecast the highest-rated of any cable or broadcast program that night, and marked the highest overnight rating for any non-NFL ESPN program this calendar year, according to the Walt Disney Co.-owned sports network.

Someone was watching, whether I happened to meet them or not.

253 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:19 pm

[246] Funny, ESPN's ombudsman excoriated the network for covering the issue the way they did...

254 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:20 pm

[249] Jazz talk allowed only in its own threads. Beer talk, however, anytime. ; )

255 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:22 pm

KC getting stomped on by the Twins, 17-0 in the seventh...

256 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:23 pm

[254] In the 60′s, many reporters knew JFK was sleeping around, including with MM. Yet is wasn’t reported, becauses ideas like ‘taste’ and ‘personal’ still had value.

We could debate whether it was a good thing or not that the press used to collude with public officials on certain matters that THEY deemed the public should not or did not want to know about.

But in any case,. I'm not sure that an athlete's decision to sign with X or Y team, for which he announced a special press conference well in advance, counts as "personal" and is most certainly "news" within the context of the relatively unimportant world of pofessional sports.

257 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:23 pm

[254] I had a Paulaner Hefe-Weizen the other night that was so good..I had to walk down to the shop to buy another one...end of story...

Oh, Laptop is off the DL? Wonder if Boston can climb back in the race..

258 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:25 pm

[257] Hear me now and listen to me later: Boston is cooked this season. If they are clever, they should be sellers this year and build up depth for the upcoming seasons.

259 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:28 pm

[258] Of course, as I typed that comment, Boston is making me even happier that the Yankees didn't give up a fistful of prospects for Haren.

260 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:30 pm

[259] What's gotten into Adrian Beltre this year? His O is up, and D is down...

Wait a sceond, that could be interpreted in a way I do not mean...

Haren is a beast, they should have gone for him. Signed til 2010 too!

261 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:32 pm

[260] I reiterate my skepticism over Haren. I know his peripherals are all good, but as I've written before, I have a bad feeling about him going forward.

262 Chyll Will   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:34 pm

[260] My guess is he's wearing a cup this year...

263 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:36 pm
264 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:36 pm

[262] Ouch...I had forgot about that....

265 monkeypants   ~  Jul 26, 2010 10:37 pm

[263] GYROBALL!!!

266 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 26, 2010 11:09 pm

Nothing? Nothing even on Loone Bogan? I think that needs to catch on.

Funny how life is, the one night I'm all up in arms about Girardi's managing is the one night the Joe-no naysayers were all phoning in versions of themselves from opposite-land.

267 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 26, 2010 11:11 pm

Ha - and I was just going to note that it is 19-0 in the Minny-KC game, but just like that it is 19-1.

268 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 26, 2010 11:34 pm

Hello All,
Dan Haren in his Angels debut is hit on his pitching forearm by Youk...out of the game. Welcome back to the American League Dan.

269 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Jul 26, 2010 11:38 pm

I missed the game tonight...nice pitching by Javy, and Granderson is without a doubt heating up. He probably is still coming back from his injury. Grandy been grappling with that groin.

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