Andy Pettitte talks PEDS.
And here’s Joe Pos on Pettitte.
[Illustration by Michael Marsicano]
Got to figure Alex is in for a huge suspension. I will say this about the MLBPA--right or wrong, all this union and ownership cooperation has Marvin Miller spinning in his grave.
I wish it would just come out already.
That is one creepy illustration.
 yep. i would say the supposed strongest players' association has perished.
Garsh, I hope Soriano comes back. All baseball logic aside, I loved watching that guy. Totally undisciplined, I know, but so much fun back in the day.
in my player fan/relationship with A-Rod, we are basically at the point where we're Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams and this is the last 20 minutes of "Blue Valentine"
I'm Gosling in this scenario, btw.
Miller confused steel workers with ball players. The blast furnace with a hot summer day. His spawn Orza and Fehr compared PED's to cigarettes. Alex is their legacy along with Bonds etc.
Now the players want the game cleaned up. Where were they when it got dirty?
The generations of fans who grew the game never had a seat at the table. The owners got their dollars and so did the players. All we got is high prices and fake MVP's.
The generations of fans who grew the game never had a seat at the table.
Yeah, they did. They voted for PEDs, big time. They made it very clear what they wanted from baseball when they poured their entertainment dollars into the game in response to McGwire and Sosa and Bonds shooting off their fireworks.
MLB fans had the ultimate vote, and their vote was unambiguous.
 I disagree with that only because I think the average fan did not know about what those guys were doing until it was a little too late. You could make a good argument that they should have known or even that they were willfully ignorant, but that's not the same thing.
Can someone do a basic comparison of Soriano and ARod's stats since the trade? Would it have been better to keep Soriano? If not outright, dollar-per-WAR?
 Agreed. Although in *my* defence, I have been consistent in my discontent about (alleged) widespread PED use. I think my comments over the year have made that clear, and my own increasing disengagement with the game is related to the "game of shadows" era.
 I cannot believe that even the most casual fan was not aware of what was going on, unless they were willfully ignorant.
 ARod has been the better player and it's not even close. Since the trade:
ARod: .292/.387/.538/.925/142 OPS+, 52 WAR, $4.75 million/1WAR
Soriano: .268/.321/.504/.825/112 OPS+, 17.4 WAR, $7.9 million/1WAR
And keep in mind that the Yankees did not pay full price for ARod at the beginning of the deal, since Texas picked up some of his contract.
Most casual fans really did not know. The sportswriters who did never wrote it. The pitchers who gave up the dingers were too scared to speak up. Jeter, I'm a big fan, did not. Either did Cal. Ripkin.
Tell Braun to give back the 2011 MVP award.
 Damn right. If Marvin Miller was still alive, he would have been cussing out the union in media for negotiating with the owners outside of the collective bargaining agreement. However, this is not totally unexpected. Over the years, quite a few prominent players would publicly side with the owners. Marvin Miller spent a lot of his time pushing back against those treacherous players and making them stand in solidarity. Miller made MLB institute physical protections for the players, made the players rich, and stopped MLB from cheating them. The SOBs repaid him by not voting him into the Hall of Fame. I hope the players end up eating each other alive.
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