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Daily Archives: January 7, 2003

The Envelope Please There

The Envelope Please

There will be cocktails at the Carter residence after all. As expected, Kid Carter and Eddie Murray were elected to the Hall of Fame this afternoon: Carter was on 78% of the ballots, Murray topped that with 85.3%.

This is how the best of the rest faired:

Bruce Sutter 53.6%
Jim Rice 52.2%
Andre Dawson 50.0%
Ryne Sandburg 49.2%
Lee Smith 42.3%
Rich Gossage 42.1%
Bert Blyleven 29.2%

I was a little bit suprised at Ryno’s poor showing. So was Rob Neyer in his on-line chat today:

“I figured [Sanburg] he might get in, but if he didn’t he’d certainly come close.

But he didn’t come close at all. Which is something of a shock if you were a fan in the 1980s, because then everybody thought Sandberg was a lock. I think that Sandberg, like Lou Whitaker and Alan Trammell suffers from comparison to the bloated hitting stats of the last decade…

I’ve been doing this long enough that the actual arguments for the players don’t interest me as much as the bizarre arguments. Today alone, I’ve now had somebody tell me that Sandberg is the greatest second baseman ever, and somebody else tell me that if Sandberg had played for the Mariners, he’d already be completely forgotten.

The truth is somewhere between, of course. He is one of the ten or twelve greatest second basemen ever, and so I guess now he joins Ron Santo as a Cubs infielder who the BBWAA screwed.”

Neyer also commented on the voters’ ambiguity towards relief pitchers, Sutter, Goose, and Lee Smith:

“It’s funny, the “closer” has been around for approximately 25 years now, and yet we’re still trying to figure out if they’re really worth anything. Everybody says they’re hugely important, but the Hall of Fame voters apparently haven’t yet been convinced. To answer your question, though … I don’t believe Sutter was great for long enough, and I don’t believe Smith was great enough at all. I can understand the arguments for both of them, but to me Gossage is more deserving.”

DOWN TO THE WIRE

DOWN TO THE WIRE

Baseball Primer has two new Keltner List evaluations this morning: one on Andre Dawson, another on Bert Blyleven and Jack Morris.

Check em out.

COUNTDOWN TO ECSTACY Murray,

COUNTDOWN TO ECSTACY

Murray, Carter…and Ryno? The first two appear to be locks to make it to the Hall of Fame later today, and it wouldn’t come as a shock if Sandburg made it too. Here are the ballots from two more writers: Kevin Kernan of the New York Post, and Jayson Stark of ESPN. The Kernan piece is an especially good reason why baseball writers may not be the best choice to vote players into the Hall. Dale Murphy and Donnie Baseball get the nod over Bert Blyleven (?), who is profiled by Jim Caple . Kernan’s case for his picks doesn’t exactly leave the reader with confidence in the voting process.

BARTOLO CLOSER TO BEANTOWN?

The Red Sox have reached an agreement in principal with free agent third baseman Bill Mueller, according to the Boston Globe. “Muller’s deal, believed to be worth about $4.5 million over two years, is significant because the Sox would be unlikely to make such an investment on a backup infielder.” Which means the Hillenbrand-for-Colon talks are hot once again.

“‘I think today we’re finally making some progess,’ said a source close to the negotiations. ‘I think both sides want to get this done. But where it leads, who knows?'”

In another interesting comesmetic development, the Globe noted:

“…Preliminary work is under way for construction of seating atop the Green Monster at Fenway Park. The team’s request for a permit to built 312 seats of a deck above the storied Wall is pending with the city, which is expected to isse a ruling this month. Until then, the Sox said, they have been cleared to begin an early phase of the project. ‘We have been authorized to do further preliminary work, and that is all that is going on at this stage,’ team spokesman Kevin Shea said.”

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