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Need a center fielder?

According to Pete Abraham, the Yankees may complete a trade that would send Melky Cabrera to the Brewers for Mike Cameron as soon as tomorrow.  I’ve always liked Cameron.  He seems like a good egg, an appealing guy.  Maybe not exactly the same clubhouse stature as Tony Clark, but close.  Alex Rodriguez and CC Sabathia speak highly of him I know.  He’s getting on in age but he’s a good bet to hit 20-25 homers, whiff 264 times, throw guys out and cover a lot of ground in center field.  

I would not especially miss Melky Cabrera.

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1 RIYank   ~  Dec 11, 2008 8:43 pm

Okay, so I'll repeat my comment in the previous thread:

Oh, man, I hadn't realized that Cashman was seriously going after A.J. Burnett. That's ruined my day.

2 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 11, 2008 8:52 pm

I like Cameron too, and hope he brings those cool shades with him...

am feeling more and more nervouse about Burnett too...5 years is just insane, why not Sheets for 2 or 3???

3 williamnyy23   ~  Dec 11, 2008 8:55 pm

[3] I am actually feeling better about Burnett with each passing day. In spite of my early bias against the deal, it seems to make more and more sense each day.

Regardless of how you feel about Burnett, I don't think Sheets is a better alternative. From what I have gathered, the Yankees have reviewed his medical records and not liked what they saw. In an interview, Girardi was quoted as saying Sheets was very honest about his body, which leads me to believe that perhaps there is something lingering that Sheets will have to pitch around. In other words, I think Burnett is a risk to maybe make only 100 starts over his 5 years, while Sheets could wind up missing entire seasons.

4 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 11, 2008 9:01 pm

[3] but why FIVE years?? that is just too risky..CC has least proven he is durable, Burnett has not...Sheets is younger and much cheaper so the "risk" factor is not nearly as important..

CC,Wang,Sheets,Pettite,Joba,Hughes,Aceves...you don't think that is a staff that can get you at least 80 wins?

5 Alex Belth   ~  Dec 11, 2008 9:34 pm

I have railed against Burnett for a long time. Especially since he joined Toronto. And five years just seems absofruitley knuts. But I have to admit, I'm with william here. Or maybe it's just me trying to find a silver lining on what seems like an agonizingly frustraing situation. He does have beautiful stuff. I hate him. But maybe I can try to love watching him some way. I will try. I may not like it but I will try. The stuff is nasty.

6 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:11 pm

[3] (Gasp!) He is Cashman! Aaaauugh!!!

Well, all things being equal, it makes sense that Cash is going after Burnett so hard; after all, he's shown a clear dedication to pitchers with a long record of injury... aw, fagheddit.

7 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:22 pm

i have always like mike cameron, too! he is a good cat. he's from about 90 mins away from here in atlanta - a small town called La Grange, GA, very close to the Alabama border. a buddy of mine used to teach guitar to two of his nieces and said his family was very nice and proud of Cammy. my pal is a Braves fan and we go to games together...

my favorite thing about Cammy, is, well, my favorite 'exclusive' club in all of baseball - 300 homers, 300 stolen bases. cammy has been on my 'watch list' for years now. he has had 5 20-20 seasons and has been close to having 8, including last year when he was just shy of 20 stolen bags -- he easily would've had that if he hadn't played in just 120 games. of course, 25 of those missed games were due to getting caught (twice, i believe!) w/ amphetamines...

my boy, Bobby Abreu, does indeed have 8 20-20 seasons and already surpassed the 300 SB mark. Cammy, is 11 bags away from 300 and they have the same amount of career homers = 241. do these guys have about 60 homers left in their careers? i think they do. and, of course, i'm very much hoping they do!!!

btw, our best player should become the 7th player to join the 300-300 club next season -- A-Rod, is 17 swipes away from 300. he had 18 in a shortened season of 138 games last season...

8 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:24 pm

i wonder what happened in texas today between cash & andy... would be nice to have pettitte back for a 1-year deal. i'm betting some kind of compromise happens. could be right down the middle at $13 mil. watch it be some lower #, with easily reachable incentives and he'll end up w/ his $16mil... : /

9 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:24 pm

[5] Hmm, there is sort of a silver lining, Alex. All the Pavano jokes we have in store would easily be transformed into Burnett jokes (Burn'tt Meat, etc... >;)

10 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:28 pm

[9] just take the "r-n-e" out and he'll be the Butt of all the jokes!!!

oh god, that was just AWFUL!!! i apologize for hitting "submit comment". (does so covering eyes, shaking head in pure shame...)

11 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:39 pm

[10] Don't apologize, man. We'll need all the awful puns we can think of to carry us through the grieving process of A.J. Hurtett as a Yankee when the inevitable occurs... (and breathe out...)

12 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:43 pm

Come to think of it, Alex should dedicate a post specifically for accumulating puns and other vehemences for the A.J. Terror Alert. Whaddya say, B?

13 Mattpat11   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:45 pm

The thing that's going to annoy me is how shocked and caught flatfooted the Yankees will be when AJ gets hurt.

14 Mattpat11   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:46 pm

[11] I like DL Burnett

15 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:47 pm

[12] indeed! but can it possibly match what is in store for JJ Putz the first time Jimmy Rollins goes deep on him??

[7] didn't know that about A-Rod..when he's all done his stats are going to eb absurd...

16 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:55 pm

[15] Poor guy. This is the worst place for what he'll obviously get when that happens...

17 RCK   ~  Dec 11, 2008 10:57 pm

[9] It is my intention to simply call him Carl Pavano Jr., or CaPJu for short.

[14] I do rather like D.L. Burnett, though.

18 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:02 pm

[17] I like CaPJu! how about Virsil Starkwell Jr though?

19 Mattpat11   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:06 pm

Capju sounds like a slur.

20 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:09 pm

[18] I'm not a Woody fan, but I will give you credit for the obscure, yet apropos ref... how about "Take The Money and Limp"?

21 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:15 pm

[19] So does Cracker Jack >;)

22 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:18 pm

[20] early Woody was awesome.."Bananas" and "Sleeper" are both classics..

I won't pay for a NY Post but oh, the backpages to come with Burnetta nd Putz in town!

23 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:19 pm

[11] thanks, Chyll ! Bum-nett, would be pretty good (or awful), too... well, i guess there's still hope we DON'T sign him ?!?!?!

[14] D.L. Burnett wins!

how 'bout simply... Carol? : )

[15] yeah, Putz in NY is brutal. i'll miss watching Pat the Bat crush homers outta Shea. i don't see how Putz can pronounce his name "puts". cop out! then again, i still can't believe there's a baseball writer in Baltimore (ball tumor!), called Peter Schmuck! that's just the worst. we've been through all the names here before - Dick Pole, Rusty Kuntz, etc...

[15] man, A-Rod's #'s are already insanely laughable!!! dude is 33 years old and has already amassed over 1,000 XBH!!! that's ridiculous!!! 1,600+ runs & rbi's. he'll reach 1,000 BB & 2,500 hits next season, along with (hopefully) the 300 stolen bases. it's pure insanity!!!

[17] isn't there a fast food joint (Hardee's) called Carl, Jr.'s ???

i'm still liking D.L. & Carol !!!

24 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:23 pm

[23] damn, "Carol" is awesome!

A-Rod is going to be top-5 All-Time by thth eend of his career..but Pujols even better..??

Peter Schmuck? that's great..

25 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:24 pm

can't wait til Putz gives up 2 bombs in an inning -- Putz has his balls whacked right outta the yard!!!

interleague - wang still in the game. 8th inning, JJ comes in, 3rd game of the series: well, it's now Wang vs. Putz in the "rubber" match!!!

oy vey zmeia!!! (<---OYF, if you're reading, i spelled the last word phonetically. forgive me!!! ; ))

if Putz ever comes to bat, his theme song should be Billy Squier's "Stroke Me"!!!

26 Mattpat11   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:24 pm

Carol could work.

27 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:28 pm

[24] easily top 5 for A-Rod! i dunno, i don't think Prince Albert is gonna keep it up. Gehrig's #'s probably would've been the most laughable ever, if he was able to continue. whenever i look at Stan Musial's career stats, my eyes literally pop outta my skull, like a cartoon! he's not regarded as highly as he should be, methinks. don't forget, A-Rod is only a few seasons away from 3,000 hits, also. it's absolutely absurd! he is ungodly at the baseball !!!!

yeah man, "Carol", might be it!!! not the christmas carol any yankee fans wanna be singin', however...

ps - Blue Mitchell is a badass on the trumpet!!!

28 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:32 pm

[27] Blue Mitchell is nice..recently been digging one of his "funky" tracks from the 70s called "Dorado", great tune to wake up and get motorin to..

Musial is definately under-rated! But top5? I'd say Ruth, Mantle, Mays,Bonds and A-Rod to come...apologies to Ted Williams but zero-D counts against you..Mantle's speed puts him over Ted I think..

29 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:37 pm

[26] i'll tell ya what - i'm still hoping out hope that D.L. comes here to the ATL. if he does - i'll do my part to continue calling him "Carol" ! : )

[27] i think i'm quite fearful of most hard-bop guys once they enter the 70's. herbie, is exempt, of course. don't kill me, but i'm not even a HUGE Weather Report fan. btw, you were totally RIGHT about the All Seeing Eye. that is some seriously HEAVY music. good lord!!! wow...

i hope Alex stays healthy and productive. i will salivate over his career #'s for the rest of my days...

30 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:42 pm

[25] I didn't know that... no wonder my sister would make a face when I called her "putz" instead of "ditz"... Oy! >;)

31 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:46 pm

[30] that's awesome, Chyll !!! : )

check out the movie Spaceballs - "i'm gonna go to the golf course and work on my putz!!!"

32 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:49 pm

[29] I wouldn't worry too much; if he follows Her Madgesty's workout routine, he could be still playing when he reaches her age. Take that, Minnie Miñoso!

33 thelarmis   ~  Dec 11, 2008 11:52 pm

man, i'd love to see A-Rod swiping bags at age 50. not on the Yankees, mind you, but the stat-padding would be fine by me! : )

pete abe has a cool old photo of REG-GIE up that i'm not familiar with. it's a cool pose shot w/ "JAX" written on his batting glove. cool.

it's just a post about the CC recruiting process, no real news, ie: cash/andy...

Carol: please go to the Braves. you'll K more batters and i can attest to the fact that Atlanta is a wonderful & terrific city!!! : )

34 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:02 am

[33] great picture there, nobody was cooler than Reggie (except Miles of course!)

Thelarmis, I got a "forget-year-party" tonight here, but this weekend will write up a list of recommended 70s Blue Note funk for you. Yes, a lot of crap was recorded, but the gems are sho'nuff funky with drumming you will Love...

35 thelarmis   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:09 am

[34] yeah man, REG-GIE ruled!!! my brother and i, had an awesome poster of him - in full "corkscrew" swing - on our wall growing up in Queens!

thanks in advance for the 70's BN list! NO rush whatsoever. i still have a decent sized list (~25/30+) of the regular "classics" to pickup...

you know about Horace Silver's "You Gotta Take A Little Love"? i think it's '69 on BN. Cobham's on drums. i have Serenade To A Soul Sister and it's not that good, but i think i might pick up the former, for the "collection." i can get it kinda cheap. we'll see...

enjoy your "forget-year-party", whatever that is!!! do you still get those crazy 3-day weekends for "nature day" & "sports day", etc. ?!?! soooo funny !!!!

36 thelarmis   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:14 am

btw, did nobody post a comment about Bernabe going to Puerto Rico to workout for a possible position on his countries' team for the WBC?!?! i'm NO fan of the WBC, but it sure would be nice to see ol' man Bernie suited up in uni and patroling CF on a ballfield!!! : )

37 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:14 am

[35] oh yeah man, I had a Reggie "corkscrew" poster too when I was 5 years old!

Don't know that Horace but will have to check it out.

"Forget-year-party" is how you translate literally the end-of-year parties here!

man..about Horace Silver..I go about once a month to this tiny jazz bar here run by a guy in his mid-70s. he used to hang out with US soldiers in the 50s and get jazz records from them, he has over 6000 original vinyl, almost all of which are hard-bop and soul-jazz..you would TRIP if I took you to this place. And the guy hung out with Horace Silver on his trips to Tokyo, and claims that the song "Too Much Sake" is about their drinking sessions together..

38 thelarmis   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:15 am

[36] well, i just read the damn article - he wouldn't be patrolling CF (beltran) : he'd be a DH, pinch-hitter and backup outfielder. still, i hope he plays...

39 RCK   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:16 am

[19] Well it's meant as a slur! Oh, wait, you mean . . .

[33] Yes, some part of me can't let go of the hope that the Braves will win him over.

40 thelarmis   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:20 am

[37] that's awesome! about both reggie & horace!

before you check out those horace records, i'll let you know how they are. i don't care much for Serenade, but will most likely pick up the other title soon...

soooo cool about Too Much Sake! that's on Tokyo Blues, right? i'll be picking that up soon. promise! that's Horace's favorite BN album cover! i'm not surprised. he seems like such a cool cat!!! i've got "Finger Poppin'" on the way to me and a handful of others on my "wish list"...

41 thelarmis   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:23 am

[39] except for the fact that Carol was "quoted" as saying he'd rather not be the ace of a staff, which he'd most certainly be here in Hotlanta (where it's actually cold, windy & rainy!). he did tell Chipper Atlanta is the only NL team he'd go to, not that that means a goddamn thing...

c'mon Bravos, scoop you up some Carol to go w/ Jair!!!

42 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:43 am

[41] I'll see your cold, wet and rainy and raise you a flooded kitchen! (fifth time, for those keeping count...) CC, hold onto that opt-out!

43 Diane Firstman   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:52 am

The BoSox have Dice-K, the Mets will have Putz-K(Rod)

44 thelarmis   ~  Dec 12, 2008 12:54 am

[42] yikes, you win!!! i've got a downstairs neighbor that todd drew can write about, however. it's been brutal, as of late. : (

45 RollingWave   ~  Dec 12, 2008 1:20 am

Please no to AJ Burnett.

For all the fuss about Burnett's stuff, amoung the 4 big guys we're looking at (Pettitte / Sheets / Lowe / Burnett ) Burnett has the lowest career peak season by THE WOOPING STATE OF TEXAS, it's not even close. and he's also the worse in terms of career, it's almost a no brainer to say that he's #4 on this list in terms of pitching talent, he's also not the youngest, he's also asking for the most year and money.


Let's just remind everyone again

Burnett: age 31, career ERA+ 111, best season with over 200 IP , 2002 122 ERA+

Sheets: age 29, career ERA+ 116, best season with over 200 IP, 2004, 162 ERA+

Lowe: age 35 career ERA+ 122, best season with over 200 IP, 2002 177 ERA+ (!)

Pettitte: age 36 career ERA+ 116, best season over 200 IP, 2005, 177 ERA+ (!)

you see, Burnett's best sesaon is nowhere in the same arena as those other 3, he also has the worest career ERA+, he's also started the second fewest inning in the last 3 season amoung the 4.

IMHO, all 4 of them have some questionmarks, they make a good short term deal and/or bargin deal but very risky long term deals. the approach should be to see who is willing to take the lowest offer, not trying to slam one of them with a big one.

Teixeira remains the most obvious target we should get, over anyone, even taking some risk at the back end rotation is ok, in the regular season, if the Yankees hit like the Yankee and/or field like major leaguers they can survive espically with a good front rotation, and in the post season the back rotation doesn't matter anyway.

46 williamnyy23   ~  Dec 12, 2008 7:39 am

[45] If you go by past performance, you are absolutely correct, but the argument for Burnett is not a past results-based one.

Basically, AJ Burnett might have the best arsenal of pitches in the major leagues. I don't think anyone would debate he is at least in the top-5. For some reason, that talent has not translated to overwhelming results. The big question about Burnett is can he eventually turn the corner. Sustained health might be one way to achieve that, but perhaps pitching in a more focused environment might also make a difference.

There is no way to get past that Burnett is a big gamble at $80mn, but if the Yankees feel they can absorb the worst case scenario, then I think it is probably worth the risk (If you already have CC, Wang, Joba and Pettitte, the worst case scenario is having Hughes and Aceves will Burnett's slot). It might be a narrow view point, but I look at AJ Burnett as the kind of weapon you want in the post season. He may be inconsistent during the regular season and very well could miss 10-15 starts, but if you get his A-game in the post season, you could ride him through the playoffs. That is essentially what has happened with Beckett.

47 Cru Jones   ~  Dec 12, 2008 9:51 am

was cameron's down year last year 'cause he was finally off of the juice? remember, he WAS suspended for 25 games at the start of the season.

48 Mattpat11   ~  Dec 12, 2008 10:07 am

[46] God I hate corner turners.

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