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Tampa Bay Rays II: The Desuckafying

Yes, the Yankees have lost all five of their games against the Red Sox this year, but they’ve actually outplayed Boston the rest of the time. The Yankees are 13-8 (.619) against their other opponents (O’s, Rays, Royals, Indians, A’s, Tigers, Angels), while the Red Sox are 12-10 (.545) against essentially the same group of teams (O’s, Rays, Indians, A’s, Angels).

The Yankees may have a mere .500 winning percentage, but the Rays are four games below .500 at .429 and lost their only series against the Yanks thus far their season. The Rays’ haven’t won more than two games in a row all season and have a 1-6-2 record in series.

The catch is that the Rays haven’t been bad, they’ve just been unlucky. Based on run differential, the Rays should be just a half game behind the Red Sox at 15-13, rather than 5.5 games behind Boston as they currently are. The problem is the Rays aren’t giving themselves much margin for error. They’re the fourth stingiest team in the American League in terms of runs allowed per game, but they’re scoring runs more often than just five teams in the AL.

The underperforming offense can be pinned to differing degrees on B.J. Upton and Dioner Navarro, who have been complete black holes for the Rays thus far this year (Upton: .157/.276/.205, 27 OPS+; Navarro: .179/.198/.262, 18 OPS+), and Pat Burrell, who enters tonight’s game with just one home run and a .322 slugging percentage. Upton has gone 1-for-18 over his last four games. Burrell has had just two extra-base hits in his last 75 plate appearances. Evan Longoria is mashing, leading the majors with in slugging with a .365/.417/.721 line, Carlos Peña is leading the majors with 11 home runs, Carl Crawford is leading the majors with 19 stolen bases and has yet to be caught, and Jason Bartellet is in the top-10 in the majors in batting average, but Longoria, Peña and Bartlett are the only every-day Rays starters with multiple homers on the season, and Bartlett especially is playing way over his head. Assuming the Rays’ lineup will balance out and for a few more breaks will go their way, they should be fine, but they’re creating an opportunity for the Yankees with their early struggles.

The Rays’ roster is unchanged from the last time they faced the Yankees, though former Yankee farm hand Michel Hernandez replaced Shawn Riggans (15-day DL: right shoulder tendonitis) as the back-up catcher after I wrote my initial preview. They send Andy Sonnanstine to the hill tonight. Sonnanstine got a no-decision after holding the Yankees to two runs over five innings on April 15 in a game the Yankees eventually won with a run of closer Troy Percival in the ninth inning. Sonnanstine has completed six innings just once this season and carries a 6.75 ERA into tonight’s game.

The Yankees counter with A.J. Burnett, whose best start of the year was his eight dominant innings against the Rays on April 14 (8 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 9 K). Burnett walked seven in his next start, then coughed up eight runs to the Red Sox in the start after that. His last time out, against the Angels, he was good enough, allowing four runs over seven innings and walking just one in a game the Yankees won with three runs in the eighth.

Note those combacks. The Yankees have scored 2.38 runs per game in the seventh, eight, and ninth innigs alone. The major league average is just 1.47 R/G in the seventh, eighth, and ninth. Meanwhile, the April 15 game mentioned above was the only save the Rays bullpen has blown all season.

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1 zack   ~  May 6, 2009 6:06 pm

Let's hope the Rays continue to slump and don't use our pitchers to wake up

2 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 6:08 pm

The Yankees aren't last in the league in ERA any more. Cleveland gets that honor.

Best in the league is Cincinnati. They haven't led the league in ERA since 1940.

Best in the AL is Kansas City.

3 Start Spreading the News   ~  May 6, 2009 6:10 pm

FYI, after last night's start, Joba's ERA+ is 127 which is pretty good for a 23 year old. Hopefully this season ends all discussion of him being a closer.

But in terms of people being on hot starts (and the magic of small sample size), Zack Greinke's ERA+ is 1170. Wow.

4 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 6:17 pm

[3] "Zack Greinke’s ERA+ is 1170. Wow."

That brings new meaning to "sick!"

I sure hope Burnett can right this listing ship tonight. I believe they need to begin a new winning streak by virtue of many quality starts from the rotation. That would be a very good thing! It would also take some of the sting out of us all from them losing five straight to Boston. I'm sure glad they don't have to look at them again for quite a while!

Dear Yankees,

Please don't allow "The Speedy Carl Crawford" (or any other Rays player) to run wild on the paths! Can you at least be prepared for that this evening?

: )

5 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 6:35 pm

According to YES - "at least" two more weeks on the DL for Bruney.

6 Start Spreading the News   ~  May 6, 2009 6:36 pm

Speedy Carl Crawford should be kept off the bases period. The guy has a lifetime OBP of 331 and is coming off a season where it was a miserable 313.

7 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 6:42 pm

From Pete Abe:

Here is what is sickening about the new Yankee Stadium. The gates open 3 hours before the game so fans catch watch BP. As I write this, here is how many people are in the premium seats watching BP from the front row and getting a good look at the players:


That’s right, three. Meanwhile, there are people six deep along the foul line in right field and left field hoping to get a ball, get an autograph, whatever. But because of the caste system in place here, they’ll never get closer.

He also thinks the Yankees' struggles are not Girardi's fault...but the manager always gets the heat.

8 zack   ~  May 6, 2009 6:47 pm

[7] Yup, that about sums it up for the way the Yanks do business.

On the other hand, I long ago stopped reading Pete's actual attempts at analysis.

I mean, you can't pin the injuries on Girardi, but the team is pretty much playing exactly like it did last year, so at some point, the manager SHOULD get the heat. The players should ALWAYS be getting the heat as well.

9 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 6:48 pm

Just win the damn game.

10 vockins   ~  May 6, 2009 6:59 pm

I'm not smoking already, Jeez. These no smoking ads are brutal.

11 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:05 pm

O bring thine black holes on offense ... Yankee Stadium shall cure all their woes.

Top of the first ... HR BJ Upton???

12 Rich   ~  May 6, 2009 7:09 pm

I hope Cervelli gets some starts.

13 zack   ~  May 6, 2009 7:10 pm

Aj grabs his crotch a lot...

14 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 7:13 pm

Is there such a thing as a defensive slump? If so, I think Pena's in one.

15 Rich   ~  May 6, 2009 7:16 pm

[14] I think Pena has started to think too much.

16 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 6, 2009 7:24 pm

[15] Or he remembered he's Ramiro Pena

17 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 7:26 pm

Oh, man! They put the shift on for a .159 hitter and Tex finally smacks a good groundball right into it. The world is a cruel place!

18 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:26 pm

Wasn't Pena's upside his defense? Even if he can't hit a lick, I figure he can field a fucking ground ball.

Anyway, that was annoying. Way to kill the pitcher's momentum.

19 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:32 pm

Watching on TV, with the standard behind-the-pitcher shot, I feel like you can see more of the crowd behind home plate now. Am I just imagining this because it's the new place?

20 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 7:32 pm

I gotta say, in the early going...I generally like Burnett a whole hell of a lot more than I ever thought I would.

21 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 7:33 pm

[20] Pitch count problems here..

22 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 7:35 pm

sometimes it just looks like Damon's never played a game in LF in his life ...

23 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:36 pm

Weird thing about Burnett is his delivery is so smooth, it's hard to believe he's been hurt as often as he has. It just looks so easy ...

24 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 6, 2009 7:36 pm

[21] Yes, but blame Pena for some of that

[19] Now that you mention it, ya - maybe because the seats are 20 feet closer.

Man, Damn has not looked good going in or out... yikes...

25 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 7:37 pm

Damon is not the player he used to be.

26 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 7:38 pm

for all the shit the Yankees catch for it, and rightfully so, you tend to forget that two other teams had Navarro and gave up on him.

27 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 7:39 pm

[25] but that wasn't really an issue of failing range so much as horrid technique ... frankly, the "chase-after-the-ball-with-your-glove-arm-extended" looked like something you'd see from the RF in a co-ed softball game ...

28 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 7:40 pm

[26] The Dodger gave up on him for Russell Martin though...

29 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 7:41 pm

[27] I think he's always done that kind of thing. He used to get away with it.

30 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 7:42 pm

ROTTEN Robby is back, it seems ...

31 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 7:43 pm

[28] Fair point.

I'm generally OK with Damon's wretched defense as long as he does his job in the lineup.

32 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:43 pm

The Yankee defense has been such a liability this season that I am actually looking more forward to Arod's glove than his bat.

When the Yankees have to go to someone like Veras or Albaledejo an inning early, you can thank Pena. In this day and age of pitch counts, defense has really become more and more important. Perhaps not coincidentally, it has also been one of the Yankees weakest links over the past 5 years.

33 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:44 pm

I don't know what seems more dead...the Yankee lineup or the crowd. I feel like I'm watching a golf torunament.

34 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:45 pm

[30] I think it's just a letdown for Cano after that hitting streak. I'm not worried about it ... yet.

35 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:46 pm

Why would he pick that up?

36 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:46 pm

[32] Again though, isn't Pena supposed to be an outstanding fielder? Even they make errors sometimes. I don't think this is part of a trend, or should I say the trend.

37 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:47 pm

[36] As a SS...I am not sure how much 3B he has played.

38 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:48 pm

Bad tag by Jeter.

39 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:49 pm

[37] My point is he isn't part of the systemic bad defense, it's just circumstantial.

40 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 7:49 pm

all things being equal, I'm fine with keeping Pena on as the backup after Friday. Now granted, when the alternative is Berroa that isn't really saying much...but I think we could do worse as far as a defensive replacement.

41 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:49 pm

I can't imagine why Jeter would catch that throw with two hands. His tag was so slow. Cano would have caught it and slapped it down immediately. It's a minor detail, but already another case of the Yankee defense not only costing the team a potential run, but taking innings off the starter's arm.

42 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:50 pm

[39] I don't know...he could just be a bad defensive 3B.

43 knuckles   ~  May 6, 2009 7:51 pm

Cap'n needs to get that tag down.

44 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:51 pm

Here, perhaps, is the trouble with placing a premium on "missing bats". Like Chamberlain last night, you can strike out truckloads of batters and still have a mediocre game.

45 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:52 pm

[44] Being a devil's advocate, however, with this defense, the Yankee pitchers have to miss bats. It's the third inning and the Yankees have already made 3 poor defensive plays.

46 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:54 pm

[42] Possibly. But since he's out of position, it's not representative of the systemic problem with bad defense, because it is a product of circumstance, not planning. You used him as an example of the overall bad defense of the team, and while I agree the defense is bad (who wouldn't), he's not a good example to use: A third string, out-of-position rookie.

47 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 7:54 pm

[40] Pena or returning Ransom?

48 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:55 pm

One more point on the defense before I stop beating this depressing, but decidedly dead horse. The Yankees FIP ERA is almost a full run lower than their real ERA. In other words, the defense is costing the team about 1 run per game. That spells disaster.

49 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 7:55 pm

There have been 500 checkswings tonight and none of them have gone.

50 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:56 pm

[46] That was why I half jokingly said I am more looking forward to Arods glove. Without him, 3B is systematically a part of the team's poor defense.

51 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 7:56 pm

I had to unceremoniously cut ties with Burrell from my fantasy team today, he was killing DionerAndTheBelmonts

52 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:58 pm

Burnett has 59 pitches through 3 innings. Get the rolaids ready.

53 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 7:58 pm

[45] It's true, but if you still end up losing, it's irrelevant either way.

54 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 7:59 pm

[53] It's part of the damned if they don't, damned if they do predicament that yields a .500 team.

55 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 8:00 pm

Looks like the Red Sox series may have put the Yanks into a team hitting slump.

56 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:01 pm

Andy Sonnanstine entered this game with a WHIP of 1.895.

57 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 8:01 pm

Cody Ransom isn't coming back any time soon, if ever. He's on the 60-day DL. That's usually for players not expected back during the season.

58 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:02 pm

Nice to see Pena jog down the line on that one.

59 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 8:02 pm

Anyway, the point is, this team is designed to be bad defensively, by default. They basically let that happen. But Pena isn't part of that design. He's just a happy accident.

60 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:03 pm

Darn! That was Molina's hit this week!

61 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 8:03 pm

hey, look everybody, defense!

62 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:03 pm

[59] I guess there's something to be said for fitting in.

63 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:03 pm

[58] I thought so, too. I can't tell if I'm unreasonable but I want players to run out foul balls until they're called.

64 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:05 pm

[63] I don't remember something like that being tolerated in the past, especially from a rookie with speed. Maybe it's part of a new attitude.

65 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:06 pm

I've come up with a solution to the Yankees problems...Nick Markakis and Joakim Soria. Maybe the Yankees can send the Orioles Xavier Nady and the Royals Jose Veras?

66 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:09 pm

A two hour rain delay seems to be about 1 hour away.

67 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 8:10 pm

well, at least 1st base isn't a defensive blackhole ...

68 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:11 pm

[67] Now if only he could hit ;)

69 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 8:14 pm

I think that once A-Rod comes back is when you're really gonna see Tex turn the corner, this is of course based on nothing but a hunch. I just think he's close to breaking through.

70 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:15 pm

My goodness...Burnett is trying to be perfect with every pitch, and I guess I can't blame him.

71 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:15 pm

[65] You're not looking at needs. The O's need more pitching and the Royals need to find a way to get Jose Guillen out of hte clubhouse.

Markakis for Veras and Soria for Nady!

72 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:16 pm

[71] Deal.

73 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:18 pm

80 pitches for Burnett.

74 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:21 pm

Next year, where do you hit Jeter? 5?

75 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 8:21 pm

[66] Just enough time to get a 1-0 loss in the books!!!

76 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 8:25 pm

Gameday says Andy Sonnanstine is pitching, but his line looks like we're facing Greg Maddux..this is odd..where are the hits? AJ sharp with 7 Ks already though..how's he looking on tv?

77 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 8:26 pm

This team is exhausting

78 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 8:27 pm

I wonder what Matsui and Iwamura were talking about out there.

79 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 8:28 pm

It didn't even occur to me that Cano might get a hit there. That's how defeated this team has me.

80 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 8:28 pm

Come on, Cano. Fucking relax. Or don't relax. Something.

81 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:29 pm

[77] It really is...it feels like this season is 5 months old.

82 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 8:29 pm

At least my #2 team is doing well.

83 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:30 pm

[76] To be honest, I don't think he looks that good. Rather, the Yankee batters look pretty bad. If the offense continues its funk, things are going to keep getting uglier. I think this is a real tipping point in the season.

84 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 8:31 pm

It's almost as if the offense has just run out of steam, they've had so many games that were battles, where they had to come back or tried to come back or had to re-assert a lead.

85 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 8:31 pm

[78] Matsui: "How you like living in Tampa?"
Iwamura: "Not bad, but there are too many early-bird dinners and not enough squid on the menu at the local restaurants.."

86 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:33 pm

Ramiro Pena should watch Longoria run down the line. Boy does it seem like the other teams have assumed all of the Yankees former good habits.

87 Chyll Will   ~  May 6, 2009 8:33 pm

Are we doing anything different yet?

88 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 8:33 pm

[84] They find this team exhausting as well.

In other news, Kids on Deck is advertising that we can watch Veras and Marte go dancing. I'm intrigued by this.

89 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:34 pm

[87] Pitching at least.

90 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:34 pm

Weather Update: Massive Storm approaching central Jersey.

91 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:35 pm

This Heiniken commercial has me really missing Guiseppe Franco.

92 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 6, 2009 8:35 pm

Well now that the (starting) pitching starts to show signs of coming around, naturally the offense will fall back

93 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 8:36 pm

[88] I watched Sabathia, Chamberlain and Wang go to a basketball game on that show during the rain delay the other day. It was great. It's crazy but as big as CC is, he is dwarfed by Dwight Howard.

94 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 8:36 pm

[92] Precisely. Hasn't that been the Yankees formula the last few years?

95 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:37 pm

Why is the crowd chanting obscenities so often?

I am always disappointed by a Yankees crowd responding to people in the crowd.

96 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:39 pm

That's an alarming AB by Swisher. Instead of trying to work a lead off walk, it seemed like he used the 3-0 count to try for a HR. If Swisher is pressing, the entire team likely is as well.

It really feels like the calendar never turned. The Yankees are making the same mistakes as they did last year. Simply waiting for things to correct themselves isn't going to be the answer.

97 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:40 pm

Am I reading the boxscore correctly? 52 pitches for Sonnastine after 5 innings?

98 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 8:40 pm

ah bugger, couldn't even clear the double pitchers spot

nothing like leading off an inning with Molina

99 Chyll Will   ~  May 6, 2009 8:41 pm

[95] If this game were a little more bearable, I'd have had a sarcastic reply more than a minute ago. Alas, we are not that good right now.

100 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:41 pm

Jeter's AB in this game really set the tone. He had two chances to take ball four, but went out of the zone each time. It seems as if everyone has followed suit.

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101 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 8:42 pm

That’s an alarming AB by Swisher. Instead of trying to work a lead off walk, it seemed like he used the 3-0 count to try for a HR.


with Melky, Pena and Molina coming up behind him?

I'd saying Swisher going for the downs on 3-0 is the best chance the Yankees had of scoring that inning ...

102 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 8:42 pm

I left for about two minutes to do something. I assume the offense went down meekly again?

103 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:42 pm

I wish this season had a do over button.

104 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:43 pm

[101] The difference is he was trying to hit a HR, and most hitters seem to say when you do that, it never happens.

105 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:43 pm

[102] Each hitter more meekly than the previous.

106 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:44 pm

[105] Strange that Ramiro Pena was more so than Meekly Cabrera.

107 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 8:44 pm

[85] LOL.

Though IME, there's plenty of squid in Tampa. Only they call it calamari instead of ika.

Why do they call Iwamura "Gan-chan" in Japan?

108 Chyll Will   ~  May 6, 2009 8:44 pm

Isn't this taking the phrase "We mean no offense" a little too far?

109 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 8:45 pm

You have no idea how little I care about Pat Burrell getting his World Series ring, and ESPN, MLB Network and now YES treat it like it was some momentous occasion and heartwarming moment. Who outside of Philly could possibly give a shit?

110 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:46 pm

[109] With Gomes off the team, Kay needs another story to repeat every TB series.

111 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 8:46 pm
112 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:47 pm

Something tells me we are going to see the bullpen with men on base...I feel like vomitting.

113 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:48 pm

[111] Looks good to me.

[109] I think it's hillarious. Philly hated Burrell.

114 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 8:49 pm

[107] Not sure if this will display on your computer but Iwamura's last name has two Chinese chracters 岩村, the first of which can also be pronounced "Gan". "Chan" is a suffix, you use it for kids or with people you are close to.

115 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 8:49 pm

3 for our last 24 (.125) with RISP. It's Girardi's fault, although Cashman MUST get some blame too. (Can we bring back public hangings?)

116 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 8:49 pm

well, about time to get the bullpen going and cue up this


117 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:49 pm

Pitch out here.

118 Chyll Will   ~  May 6, 2009 8:50 pm

[111] It's a breakdancing diagram... "I believe that's 'The Worm'..." >;)

119 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:51 pm

[115] Sometimes performance stems from team attitude and atmosphere. I don't know the reason, but Girardi isn't helping the team so I am perfectly willing to roll the dice on a change sparking this team. Otherwise, this seems like a trainwreck.

120 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 8:51 pm

[114] Thanks. I can usually kinda figure out Japanese nicknames, but I'd never have guessed that one, since I don't read kanji.

121 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 8:51 pm

[111] Does it mean JD's defense is above avg? Even including his CF play?

122 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:51 pm

That extra run feels like a nail in the coffin.

123 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:52 pm

[122] And that run is the dirt thrown on top.

124 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 8:52 pm

well, that's a fucking killer.

125 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:52 pm

[121] The graph that I'm looking at (and I think that you sent) is for Damon's batting average being above the league average. I don't see a fielding graph there.

126 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 8:53 pm

"Sometimes performance stems from team attitude and atmosphere."
So... we have poor team attitude and atmosphere?... and it's Girardi's fault? Jeez William, I wish I could see you say this shit face to face with Jeter.

127 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 8:55 pm

My Bad. I googled Ultimate Zone Rating. How did I get there?

128 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 8:56 pm

[120] Sure. That one makes more sens than "Guts" Ogasawara, veteran with the Yomiuri Giants..I know it's a compliment but hearing people chant "Guts" is kidn of odd...

This game sucks..no other comment to offer.

129 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:56 pm

[126] You left out the part where I said I don't know the reason and that I am willing to take a chance on a managerial change shaking things up. I have no idea what that has to do with Derek Jeter, unless you think the Captain is really running the team.

130 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 8:57 pm

seriously Jose?

131 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 8:57 pm

Quality at-bat.

132 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:57 pm

How many times has Kay said "one pitch, one out"? Was the Yankee strategy to get this game in before the rain?

133 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 8:59 pm

It's not that they aren't getting hits...they simply aren't having good ABs...against a pitcher entering the game with a WHIP near 2.

134 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 9:01 pm

Johnny Damon improves his batting average.

Hey, it's only 3-0. Not over yet.

135 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 9:03 pm

How many fuckin strikes is Tex going to take this year??!??!?

136 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:04 pm

Absolutely pathetic...after this series, I guess we can trot out the Yankees record against everyone but Boston and Tampa.

137 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:05 pm

Oh Christ.

138 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:05 pm

[135] He and Gardner have a bet

139 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 9:05 pm

[135] 42% apprently. Fangraphs has him swinging at 58% of strikes down from a career average of 67.8%. I still wonder about his wrist.


140 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 9:06 pm

[128] What did they call Aaron Guiel in Japan? Did they use his first or last name?

141 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:06 pm

[137] who's a fire starter ... crazy fire starter

142 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:08 pm

Is Crawford worth looking into for left field next year?

143 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:09 pm

In a way I'm glad George probably isn't watching this, but then again, I wish he was.

144 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:09 pm

[142] Absolutely.

145 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 9:10 pm

[142] Hard not to have your eye on Jason Bay.

146 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 9:10 pm

[136] I think the Sox will suffice.

147 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 9:11 pm

Crawford on pace for about 120 stolen bases.

148 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:11 pm

[144] I've always liked him. He's what some people had convinced themselves Gardner is.

149 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:12 pm

This is a very scary matchup.

150 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:13 pm

[149] Edwar vs anyone is a scary matchup

151 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 9:13 pm

I've already switched from rooting for the Yanks to win the WS to rooting against the Red Sox winning it.

152 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 9:14 pm

OK... Let's try this. http://tinyurl.com/cfgfpc
JD look solid in LF (but cooked in CF)... best fielder on our team?
Numbers for Swish are nice. Tex and Melky are very surprising.

153 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 9:16 pm


154 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:16 pm


155 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 9:19 pm

Go Cleveland!!!

156 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 9:19 pm

Edwar throws pretty hard for a guy who is what.... 135-140 lbs?

157 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:20 pm

Kay had it right the first time.

158 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 9:21 pm

ya know, we could catch a break once in a while too...

159 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 9:22 pm

[152] I think defensive stats are still problematic. I remember a year or two ago, Melky Cabrera was the worst defensive CFer in the league by one system, and one of the best by another.

160 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:22 pm

I'm sure Gardner will pinch "hit" next inning as well, just to complete this disaster.

161 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:23 pm

Or maybe not

162 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:23 pm

wonderful, now we've got 4 pitchers batting in our lineup ...

163 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 9:23 pm

Gameday agrees that that's pretty far off the plate.

164 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:23 pm

Dominated by Sonnenstine...yep, the Yankees are just fine. Let's just pretend he's secretly on the Red Sox.

165 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 6, 2009 9:24 pm

that pitch was in the visitors dugout

166 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 9:25 pm

With Swisher out, Gardner has to come in, doesn't he?

167 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:26 pm

[166] Yep.

168 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 6, 2009 9:27 pm

Everyday Albaladajo

169 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:27 pm

I doubt he said "That's outside" Coney.

170 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:28 pm

Why would you take Edwar out of the game? He pitched well, so wouldn't you send him out for another inning?

171 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 9:28 pm

[140] last name pronouced "Gah-ii-eh-ru" in J phonetic script

172 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 9:28 pm

I don't think Crawford is a FA after this year. I believe that because his option was picked up for '09, he had another one kick in for 2010.

I could be wrong about that though...

173 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:29 pm

[170] Don't push your luck

174 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 9:29 pm

It's funny, Swisher got ejected in my online game earlier. Had to replace him with Gardner.

I lost.

175 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:30 pm

[172] Cot's has them only picking up the 09 option. 10 mil for 2010, so they still might pick it up though.

176 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:32 pm

With all the rain this week, you'd think the Yankees could have at least one of these games postponed.

177 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 9:33 pm

[175] Yeah, the '10 option didn't exist until they picked up this year's...

I'd sure pay $10M for him next year if I were the Rays!

In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't lock him up with an extension.

178 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:33 pm

What a bullpen!

179 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 6, 2009 9:34 pm

[176] Can we postpone one of the already-played games? Just forget it happened? You know, cuz of the rain.

180 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:35 pm

Good Lord, wtf is going on around here?

*Zero* runs?

Anyone care to give me a brief synopsis of this, our latest fiasco?

181 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 9:35 pm

[171] Cool. That was my guess.

Just idle curiosity. We discussed it here at the Banter when Guiel first signed with the Swallows. Mike P said they just use the name that's easier to say, and thought they'd call him Aaron. But I thought it would be "Guiel," since it's not that hard to pronounce.

182 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:36 pm

There were are quite a few new faces this season, but nothing has changed. I wonder why that is?

183 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 9:37 pm

[180] It's like everyone is Bad Cano tonight.

184 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:37 pm

And why is Derek hitting .272?

We can't have that. And Cano's fallen what, sixty points in the past seven days?

At least Tex is off the interstate and Melky's miraculously hitting a point higher than Cano, so, I guess that's something.

185 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 9:37 pm

I'm surprised the Rays payroll is (high for them) at $63m. Still, $10m is 15% of the team. I would think they would trade him for some decent young (cheap) players.

186 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:38 pm
187 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:38 pm

[180] A lot of first pitch swinging and taking called third strikes. More bad defense. A lackluster effort all around. Think last season.

188 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:39 pm

[186] Whose fault is it? The car, or the driver?

189 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:40 pm

Now would be a perfect time to have a warm body to pinch hit.

190 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:40 pm

i'm so happy we don't have a pinch hitter to insert for molina here ... i mean, why would we ever need such a thing?!?!?

191 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:40 pm

[188] The pole.

192 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:40 pm

[186] No fucking kidding. I almost wrote "train wreck" but opted for "fiasco" because their play has been so consistently poor that I'm losing the sense of urgency that's connoted by a train wreck. It's entering into circus clown territory. (In fairness, though, I've not seen the games, so I can't really say which is more appropriate.)

193 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:41 pm

If I was Girardi, I would have an automatic take sign for Molina until there was one strike.

194 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:41 pm

[190] We both know damned well it would be Brett Gardner regardless of who was on the bench.

195 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:41 pm

[191] Christ, its a tree. I missed that somehow.

196 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:41 pm

[187] What about this crack starting rotation we're supposed to have? Shouldn't we be winning games on the strength of it alone?

I mean for the love of Jesus.

197 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:42 pm

[191] True, if the pole wasn't in the way, the car would be zipping along on the median.

198 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:42 pm



i should question Molina's bat more often ...

199 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:43 pm

[194] I can believe that small tree did so much damage and didn't budge. It must have a very impressive root system.

200 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 6, 2009 9:43 pm

[189] Doesn't Tim Raines need to bolster his HOF cred?

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201 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:44 pm

[196] Three runs from Burnett aint bad, especially when you consider it could have/should have been less if not for more bad defense.

202 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:44 pm

[197] And is there a better metaphor for this team than "zipping along the median?"

That should really be the headline tomorrow.

203 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:44 pm

c'mon, gotta get these 2 runs in ...

c'mon Cap'n!

204 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 9:45 pm

Burnett threw too many pitches tonight, but other than that you really can't complain about anything he did

205 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:45 pm

Now would be a nice time for a NYS cheapie.

206 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 6, 2009 9:45 pm

and now mlb.tv is taking a dump. last time the yanks were behind late and mlb.tv crapped out, i turned it off and they came back to win. So I'll abide that cargo cult science and hit the road

207 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:45 pm

[204] I would even put that on the defense. It easily cost him 15 pitches.

208 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:46 pm

[199] The car is the Yankees, the tree is the Red Sox.

209 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:47 pm

lovely, just so ... lovely.


210 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:47 pm

[201] [204] Fair enough, but what about that last start? Of all times to implode.

[207] Who did what?

211 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:47 pm

Girardi needs to have a huge fine for anyone that takes stroke three. This is absurd.

212 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:47 pm

What the hell are the Yankees looking for? Does this team have a clue? Is there any accountability for these god awful ABs?

213 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:49 pm

[210] Lets see... Pena had a ball go between his legs and then picked up a slow roller that was going foul. Damon had an another adventure on a flyball. The Captain applied a tag in slow motion on a throw that should have nabbed a base stealer. There's probably more.

214 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:49 pm

Remember when we would face Curt Schilling, and our genius strategy to "work the count" was to just take everything and strike out on four pitches?

215 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:49 pm

It really seems as if the Yankees are going to the plate with absolutely no plan of attack.

216 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 9:50 pm

[211] Agreed. It's Little League-basic..take the bat off your damn shoulder against Andy Freakin Sonnanstine!

217 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:50 pm

When was the Yankees last rally? Friday?

218 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:50 pm

I can't wait to hear Girardi talk about how much faith he has in his guys and how there's still time to get this thing right.

219 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:50 pm

[213] Lovely.

220 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:51 pm

[217] Maybe the Yankees can fly in Brian Fuentes to close this game?

221 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:52 pm

Well, things are getting interesting.

Does Tex have a hit in him?

222 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:52 pm

[220] That might be what they need. Kay talks about the last two games, but its not as if they rallied on Monday either. Three homeruns.

223 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:52 pm



224 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:53 pm

It certainly could be a signature moment. One way or the other

225 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 9:53 pm

Holt shit.... IT'S POURING!

226 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:54 pm

When was the last time Mo pitched?

227 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:54 pm

[223] I guy can dream, can't he?

228 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:54 pm

[225] And will continue for hours.

229 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:54 pm

[227] No.

230 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 9:54 pm

I'm in northern Manhattan and it is absolutely monsooning here

231 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:55 pm


How 'bout that!


232 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:55 pm

Holy shit.

233 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 9:55 pm


234 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:55 pm

NOW they can bring the tarp out.

235 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 9:55 pm


sorry, reflex action

236 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:55 pm

There you go Tex...a broken bat I think, but I'll take it.

Joe Madden has a real gripe here. Baseball shouldn't be played in this weather.

237 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 9:55 pm

[234] Doesn't the inning have to end?

238 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 9:56 pm

Obviously, somebody brought the "hats for bats!"

I need some rum!

In fact, leave it to Pena and Molina to start that off!

Woohoo Tex!!!

239 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:56 pm

The radar has so many colors, it looks like a crayola box. This storm system goes all the way to Baltimore.

240 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 9:57 pm

It's pouring. They can't keep playing in this, can they?

241 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 9:57 pm

Oh Tex, I am so sorry for doubting you!! (kneels on tatami-straw mat and makes formal apology)

242 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:57 pm

[239] In fact, the Baltimore game is still in a delay.

243 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 9:57 pm

[239] So it'll probably be in New Haven soon, is what you're saying? Thanks for the warning.

244 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:58 pm

[237] huh?

you can stop play at any time.

frankly, the game should have been stopped during the Texeira at bat.

245 Marek   ~  May 6, 2009 9:58 pm

Giambi would have hit a grand slam. You could look it up!

246 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 9:58 pm

so, do we get an ending tonight?

247 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:59 pm

If this game gets suspended, it would be nice to have Arod join the team to pinch hit.

248 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 9:59 pm

[244] not that i'm complaining that they didn't, but the rain was ridiculous

249 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 9:59 pm

[246] It's been raining in Baltimore since 8PM, and the radar indicates another 30 minutes or so. I'd estimate a 2 1/2 hr delay, so I guess they might wait.

250 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:00 pm

[244] If they call the game right now, don't they go back to the score at the end of the previous half inning? Am I losing my mind?

251 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:00 pm

I'm not gonna trot my "Tex is close to breaking through" post from earlier back out, but I'm just saysin'...

252 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 10:00 pm

[250] Never heard of that rule before..

253 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:01 pm

[250] Nope...it's a suspended game and it picks up where the game left off. They changed that rule a while back.

254 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 10:01 pm

So... we will end up with a 1 inning sudden death game? Who do we have that's good in thge first inning?

Sox about to lose.

255 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:01 pm

[253] Ah. Okay. Was that the rule at some point though?

256 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:02 pm

[254] Arod!

257 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:02 pm

They should have put a Seattle-type retractable roof on NYS.

Then they play regardless...

258 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:03 pm

[255] Yes...although it only applied to runs scored in the top half. If the home team scored, the inning would be considered complete.

259 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 10:03 pm

[254] Freakin CLeveland puts up 9 runs on the Sox with Carl Pavano starting, yet we lose 5 straight to them?? Seriously..

260 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 10:03 pm

[257] 1.4 Billion doen't buy what it used to.

261 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:04 pm

[249] except it looks like there's a sizeable clearing behind the initial intense band of rain (which isn't very broad) and then another really nasty looking (and much broader) patch that's down around Philly right now.

I wouldn't be surprised if they could start up again in 15-20 minutes and get a couple of innings in before the next wave hits.

Kinda depends on how everything tracks, though ...


262 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:04 pm

Just heard Jerry Remy took a leave of abscence after a set back following cancer surgery. I really enjoy his call of the game and wish him well.

263 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:05 pm

[260] What's $500M more or less?

One FA Market?

: )

264 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:05 pm

[259] What does that say about Yankee pitching?

265 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:07 pm

[262] He got pneumonia following the surgery, tried to "come back too soon" in ST, and got burned.

It's tough to get old... trust me...

266 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:08 pm

[262] Wow, I didn't even know he was sick. Poor RemDawg.

267 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:08 pm

[262] I was watching Sox games on NESN last week, and was wondering where he was. I hope all ends well for him.

268 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 10:09 pm

Looks like they're taking the tarp off.

269 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:09 pm


Voila, the tarp is coming off.

Thank you, I'll be here all night ...

270 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 10:10 pm

[256] Heh heh heh.

271 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:10 pm

and just as I was getting knee deep into Springsteen bootlegs...

272 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 10:11 pm

[269] Or maybe not. They put it back on.

273 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:12 pm

"I was watching Sox games on NESN last week"...

Ya feelin' aight, Mattpat?

: )

274 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:15 pm

[273] Extra Innings

275 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:18 pm


UPDATE, 10:16 p.m.: Next pitch at 10:25 p.m.

276 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 10:18 pm

Play will resume at 10:25.

277 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:19 pm

[274] I'm glad you recovered so quickly!

Most NESN viewing requires a DL stint, and a few minor league rehab reps...

278 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:20 pm

[275] Good thing Pena already scored! That's past his bedtime...

279 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 10:20 pm

So things seem pretty quiet with A-Rod news these days..surprised there hasn't been any tabloid hit-job "books" about him yet..

280 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:23 pm

[277] Especially with no more Hazel.

281 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:23 pm

meanwhile, So. Cal. is on fire again ...

282 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:23 pm

apparently the baseball equivalent of "All The President's Men" is currently an impressive #119 on Amazon right now

283 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:25 pm

[282] I heard it started plummeting the day it was released.

284 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:25 pm

They can't find Upton.

285 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:26 pm

[282] There was a quote from a salesperson at a Borders in midtown today about how it's barely made a blip saleswise. I gotta say its not all that shocking, I mean how much mainstream appeal does a biography of Alex Rodriguez really have? It does make the success of Torre's book, regardless of what you think of it, that much more impressive.

286 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:29 pm

[282] 40 pernts in one day?

Sounds like my stock portfolio!

: )

287 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:30 pm

[286] pity there's no way to short it ...

288 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:31 pm


289 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:31 pm

Not an easy play, but it should be made.

290 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:32 pm

exactly, Mo, exactly.

once again, the D depresses ...

291 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:32 pm

[289] The quality of the field should probably also be taken into account.

292 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:33 pm

Full disclosure: I read the first chapter at Barnes and Noble during my lunch break. Curiosity got the better of me.

The one thing that jumped out at me was Roberts' apparent magical powers that allow her to tell us exactly what is going through A-Rod's mind at all times, that coupled with her incredible capacity for passing judgment on everything he does. It's impressive really.

293 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:33 pm

[291] It hit him in the heel of the glove though, so he got there in time.

294 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:34 pm

Well, I'll be honest, I think its probably easy to guess what Alex Rodriguez is always thinking about.

It rhymes with Smalex JodJiguez

295 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:35 pm

Interesting how the umps fuse was a lot longer for Upton.

296 knuckles   ~  May 6, 2009 10:35 pm

STFU BJ, that was a beautiful pitch.

297 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:36 pm

[293] I think if he had a little more time to get there and center himself, he has a bit better of a shot. *If* he's having a hard time getting traction (and he might not have been) I can see how that happened.

298 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:36 pm

has anyone ever figured out what "the magic word' with umps is exactly?

299 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:37 pm

Molina gets hit a lot.

300 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:37 pm

[298] I always figured it was cursing.

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301 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 10:38 pm

[294] Hahahahaha...

I know Mo is in a tie-game here and things are tense but..anyone read the article about Lenny Dykstra today? How is possible to have so many legal judgements against ONE person? Methinks nails has some mental troubles..

302 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:38 pm

gorgeous pitch.

303 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 10:38 pm

I believe references to family members are frowned upon.

304 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:39 pm

[300] well yeah, but theres apparently one word that is somehow on a level of offensiveness above all others. and I mean, we all know language on a baseball field isn't exactly squeaky clean...so its gotta be something pretty bad.

305 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:40 pm

[303] is it perhaps a reference to the umpire's relationship to his mother?

306 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 10:40 pm

[304] Ump needs glasses?

307 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:40 pm

I like the way Mo reacts to striking out the side.

308 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:41 pm

Longoria looked bad there

309 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 10:41 pm

[305] Or his mother's relationships in general?

310 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 10:41 pm

has anyone ever figured out what “the magic word’ with umps is exactly?

If I remember Bull Durham correctly, it's "cocksucker"

311 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:41 pm

[301] Was that the ESPN article? I read it a few days ago and it was very interesting story. Dykstra seems to be suffering from grand illusions about himself.

312 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:42 pm

[305] I think Verducci once said that the Robbie Alomar incident was triggered by "a certain twelve letter curse word"

313 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:43 pm

[310] thats always what I suspected (my personal favorite curse word, FWIW). I figured "fuck" was way too common to be considered overly offensive.

314 Eirias   ~  May 6, 2009 10:43 pm

I posted this on RAB, but I figure the more mature crowd here could better answer my question.

Given my age and where I lived, I wasn't really into baseball in '96. I both moved and discovered the game, as it were, in 1997, and by '98, I was a huge Yankees' fan.

That said, what was Mo like as a rookie? He's obviously evolved to become the Panamanian Thunder God that he is right now, but what was he like in the early years?

315 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:44 pm

let's get this done this inning ... the big ugly isn't that far south and it isn't going to be a 20 minute delay this time ...

316 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 10:44 pm

[311] Follow-up this morning, it's insane..I didn't think it was possible to have that many people sue you at once.

Mariano Ks the side..can't wait to watch that later!

317 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 10:44 pm

Nice, Robbie.

318 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:44 pm

wow Mo is really letting it all hang out, thats awesome to see

319 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:45 pm

[314] In 1995, he was actually a spot starter mid season, but he really emerged as a reliever during the 1995 ALDS. In his first full season, he was a lights out, two inning at a time set up man.

320 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:45 pm

No bunt???????????

321 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:45 pm

[292] I would venture a wild guess that Roberts has some deep seeded "Feminazi Issues"...

322 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 10:45 pm

[313] You and everyone in Deadwood.

323 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:46 pm

Melky needs a single.

324 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:46 pm

well, at least Slappy seems to have learned how bunt, more or less ...

325 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 10:46 pm

[320] Not that I want Gardner swinging away, but I can see trying something with the bottom of the order coming up.

326 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:46 pm

[314] In '95, a couple of flashes of brilliance (that Chicago game) surrounded by a whole lot of meh. Think Hughes. '96, Joba two years ago minus the histrionics...those were left to Wetteland.

327 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 10:46 pm

[314] More strikeouts, as I recall. He'd blow people away more with high heat rather than work the wizardry he works now.

Demeanor was exactly the same.

328 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 10:47 pm

That said, what was Mo like as a rookie? He’s obviously evolved to become the Panamanian Thunder God that he is right now, but what was he like in the early years?

Tempermentwise? He was the same as he is now.

329 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:48 pm

Interesting...moving Melky to his stronger side; Pena too (if you can say he has one).

330 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:49 pm

[319] well he didn't emerge enough for Buck to feel comfortable giving him the ball in Game 5.

331 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:49 pm

[327] didn't have a cutter then, used a 4 seamer.

332 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 10:50 pm

The story goes that after Rivera was sent down, he was more or less pitching the way he was. Then out of nowhere, his fastball picked up some speed, and Michael went down to see for himself. Rivera got the call, and the rest is history.

333 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:50 pm

[325] Gardner IS the "bottom of the lineup".

334 Eirias   ~  May 6, 2009 10:50 pm

So, given that he didn't actually screw up, I cannot extrapolate Mo's (imaginary) lack of initial success to Melancon's becoming the next Mo?

335 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 10:50 pm

Great pickup by the C.

336 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:51 pm

damn, someone put something in Mo's oatmeal today

337 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:51 pm

[329] yeah, odd ...

338 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:51 pm

Don't know if it was intentional, but it should have been.

339 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 10:51 pm

Jesus... sometimes Melky looks like a MLB player.

340 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:51 pm

[334] No...you can not. Just rely on very small sample size.

341 OldYanksFan   ~  May 6, 2009 10:52 pm

drop a bunt down 3rd?

342 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:52 pm

[334] Thing was, he was developed as a starter. He only landed in the pen because he couldn't hack it in the rotation. Melancon, as far as I know, has always been looked at as a reliever.

343 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:52 pm

Mo for one more inning?

344 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:52 pm

damn, pena got a pitch to hit right there.

gah, must i curse you yet again, molina?!?!?

345 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:53 pm

[343] yeah, i'd do it.

346 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 10:53 pm

[314] He had elbow surgery in 1992 and farted around in the minors... average at best. Once brought up in '95, he was used as a spot starter, with hardly any success. Then one day, while "fooling around" with different finger pressures on the ball in a bullpen session, he figured out he could throw a cut fastball with a lot of lateral movement...

The rest is history.

: )

347 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 10:54 pm

fuck, he was safe.

348 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:54 pm

It's a second guess, but I wonder about a double steal on the first pitch to set up a squeeze.

349 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 10:54 pm

[331] Aha! That'd explain it.

350 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 10:54 pm

losing Posada..damn...cmon Molina, prove us all wrong!

351 ms october   ~  May 6, 2009 10:54 pm

mo must be really pissed about the losing streak

352 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:56 pm

I think you have to go to Mo in the 10th and hope the top of the lineup can come through. If Jose Veras gives up another walkoff, Girardi can just walkoff himself.

353 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 10:56 pm

[343] God, that's hard.

Last time he had to get more than three outs...

But still, he's Mo and we haven't won a game in a week.

354 Just Fair   ~  May 6, 2009 10:56 pm

Well, Pavano beat the Red Sox. Sir Sydney is going to pick up a W as well. Molina may as well get the gw hit.

355 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:56 pm

There's really no reason to not have a Shelley Duncan type to hit here. No reason.

356 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 10:56 pm

well he didn’t emerge enough for Buck to feel comfortable giving him the ball in Game 5.

He was the first option after Cone ran out of gas.

357 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 10:57 pm

Mo's one really good major league start from July 4, 1995, vs the White Sox: 8 IP, 2 H, 4 BB, 11 K's, 0 ER. That was kinda it for him as a starter though.

358 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:57 pm

Mo stopped clapping...I think he can sense the inevitable.

359 Just Fair   ~  May 6, 2009 10:57 pm


360 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 10:58 pm

[357] After the game, Frank Thomas blamed the Sox advanced scouts who apparently said Rivera didn't have a good fastball.

361 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:00 pm

Are you serious? Mo can't go more than 1?

362 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:01 pm

Its amazing to listen to Kay when he sees a pitcher with a hard fastball. He's a man that truly believes that all you need is a hard fastball to get by. Yesterday He made some comment about Joba using breaking pitches that infuriated me, but I've already forgotten it

363 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:01 pm


364 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 11:01 pm

[361] I was thinking the same thing...

365 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:01 pm

Of course.

366 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 11:01 pm


367 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:01 pm

What a shocker! Another bonehead move by Girardi pays early dividends.

368 knuckles   ~  May 6, 2009 11:01 pm


369 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 11:01 pm

yeah, great, take Mo out.

why make 1 move when you can make 5, right Joey Joe Joe???

370 ms october   ~  May 6, 2009 11:02 pm

well that was fast - should have stayed away

371 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:02 pm

[365] Of course.

372 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 11:02 pm

I'm not gonna second guess that, Mo has not been reliable going more than 1

373 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:02 pm

If this team loses tonight and they fall under .500, something has to be done. Someone needs to lose their job. 13-14 is absolutely unacceptable.

374 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 6, 2009 11:02 pm

That's it..Joe G, you are dead to me now. MUST WIN game and you take out mariano who just struck out the side!! AHHHHHHH!!!!

375 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:03 pm

And people will chime in about how Girardi isn't to blame...even though he is directly responsible for back-to-back losses. I wish my job had the same level of accountability.

376 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 11:04 pm

[375] I'd argue Phil Coke is to blame here

377 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:05 pm

What happens now?

378 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:05 pm

[375] To be honest, I'd rather be Brian Cashman. Almost as much money with even less accountability.

379 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:05 pm

[377] We lose?

380 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:06 pm

[376] Coke didn't bring himself in the game. If Girardi doesn't recognize this as important game, then we might as well get ready for 2010.

381 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:07 pm

Here's the thing: Mo really hasn't been reliable for more than three outs for awhile now. Not saying he couldn't have done the job, just that (and it pains me to say it) it's not such a no-brainer anymore.

382 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:07 pm

[378] Cashman didn't let Pena swing away yesterday and Cashman didn't pull Mo in a big game.

383 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:07 pm

[381] That's just not true...when I stop fuming, I run some numbers to back that up.

384 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:07 pm

[382] Cashman repeatedly saddling this team with incompetents can't be overlooked.

385 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:08 pm

Jeter's just not seeing the ball.

386 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:08 pm

[383] Please. I'd love nothing more than to be wrong about this.

387 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:10 pm

We need a good Yankees Suck chant.

388 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 11:10 pm

Not Coke's fault... What Kay called "a mistake," Coney spent three minutes telling us that he put that pitch exactly where he was supposed to...

Sometimes, you have to tip your cap to the ML leader in HR.

: /

389 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:11 pm

[388] We've been tipping our caps for years. We need competence.

390 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:13 pm

[386] I just scanned his 2008 game log and couldn't find a single 2 inning game in which he gave up a run.

391 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 11:13 pm

[389] I'm just sayin' when a hitter of Pena's quality gets full extension on a FB on the outside corner, ordinarily considered a "perfect pitch," such that he can pull it with power, not much else Coke could have done...

392 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:13 pm

Zobrist leaned into catch a ball that was 100 feet away.

393 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:14 pm

[390] Really? Wow. That's surprising. What about the previous years?

394 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:14 pm

The Yankees need to water down this warnign tracks!

395 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:14 pm

Oh christ. This is the worst way to lose.

396 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm

[390] Now I'm fuming, too.

397 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm

[393] Maybe you are thinking about the problems he had coming into tie games last year.

398 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm

Damon's hitting well, that's for sure.

399 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm

c'mon Tex, we need a hit here, make this a 'Texeiraian' moment!

400 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm


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401 jonnystrongleg   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm

[381] yeah that's not true. mo pitched 1+ innings 14 times last year and let up 1 run.

that was 23 innings, 1 run.

402 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm

Oh, God, why are they torturing us like this?

403 Just Fair   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm

Can't they de-superball these warning tracks. Kinda tired of seeing balls bounce just over. Yeesh.

404 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 11:15 pm

please tex....

405 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:16 pm

[400] You got your wish.

406 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:16 pm


407 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:16 pm


408 Just Fair   ~  May 6, 2009 11:17 pm

Clap, clap,clap,clap.

409 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 11:17 pm

a deep fb woulda been nice... sheesh

410 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 11:17 pm

oh for fuck's sake.


411 knuckles   ~  May 6, 2009 11:17 pm

Fcking. A.

412 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:17 pm


413 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:17 pm

On a 2-0 count no less...this team is fucking awful.

414 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:18 pm

Sterling's really peevish about the rain, like he's taking it personally.

415 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:18 pm

This has to be rock bottom. It has to.

416 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:19 pm

Your 2009 Yankees, ladies and gentlemen.

417 RagingTartabull   ~  May 6, 2009 11:19 pm

I fucking hate this

418 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 11:19 pm


Fucking Horrible.

419 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 11:19 pm

I hope Tex didn't hurt his wrist again. Jeez, the way he was pounding his helmet was a little scary.

420 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:19 pm

Fucking disgrace. Girardi should make them run laps until they puke.

421 knuckles   ~  May 6, 2009 11:19 pm

That was a horseshit game, all around.

422 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:19 pm

I'm sorry, but if Girardi isn't fired then this season will go exactly like this year. He clearly can't manage a game and it really seems like this team has been pressing for 2 years. It's time for a change. This game is the absolute last straw.

423 Diane Firstman   ~  May 6, 2009 11:20 pm

Its simple .... tear down the moat, and the new stadium curse will be gone

424 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:20 pm

I'll punch the first person that tells me its too early to expect this team to play well and that we should wait until August.

425 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 11:21 pm

[420] Or at least limit the hours of operation of the "Food Room"...

426 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 11:22 pm

God hates us...

: (

427 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:22 pm

I just got my nightly "Yankees suck" text message from the team.

428 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 11:23 pm

[424] Its too early to expect this team to play well and that we should wait until August.

429 randym77   ~  May 6, 2009 11:23 pm

Just think, Carlos Pena was languishing in Columbus in 2006. The Yankees didn't call him up. Torre said they weren't even looking at his pretty numbers, because they had Andy Phillips. So Pena exercised his option and left.

430 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:24 pm

[429] Remember when the Yankee fans thought Andy Phillips might be something?

431 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:24 pm

What the fuck is Bob Lorenz watching?

432 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 11:24 pm

[429] Yeah, gotsta give it up to Joe Torre... He sure is great with the media!

433 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:25 pm

I think I broke my hand.

I hate this team. With a fiery fucking passion.

434 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:25 pm

[431] What did he say? I turned it off after the last out.

435 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:26 pm

The Yankees are a ruderless team right now. Sometimes he was too volatile, but with George you always knew who was in charge and winning was always a priority. Now, that just doesn't seem to be the case.

436 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:26 pm

[434] The silver lining is that Teixeira came through in the 8th.

437 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:27 pm

[436] Yankees are on a real moral victory kick lately. That's never a good sign

438 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:27 pm

That's right YES - the pitch to Pena was great!!!

So who's the player of the game? Teixeira? Sure, why not? He did pretty well for himself ... Oh yeah he didn't get the runner in from third with one out but hell, he tied the game up! Awesome! So what if they lost?

439 cult of basebaal   ~  May 6, 2009 11:28 pm

i've been a big Cashman supporter, but this is really, really starting to piss me off.

you can't carry 2 shit ass hitting catchers like molina and cervelli and NOT have a GODDAMN pinch hitter to use for them when the situation demands.

and NO, brett FUCKING gardner doesn't count.

and the decision not to stay with MO, with him not having pitched since LAST THURSDAY ... awful, just fucking awful, Joey Joe Joe ...

440 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:29 pm

Hey I can't wait till YES awards "player of the game" to an opposing player who has a good night when the Yankees win.

"Player of the game is Kevin Youklis ... He went 4 for 4 with 2 RBI. Thhhhhheeee - Yankees WIN!!!

441 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 11:30 pm

you can’t carry 2 shit ass hitting catchers like molina and cervelli and NOT have a GODDAMN pinch hitter to use for them when the situation demands.

You can, if you have a 13 man pitching staff.

442 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:30 pm

"Let's talk about that pitch to Pena. It was fucking brilliant. But ... he hit it out of the park."

443 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:30 pm

[439] There really is no accountability in this organization. Girardi should have been out of work after yesterday. As for Cashman, nothing is gained by canning a GM in season, but if the team doesn't make the playoffs again, his head should roll too.

Can one Steinbrenner wake up...PLEASE!

444 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 11:31 pm

Thinking of George right now in this moment reminds me of that scene in Braveheart when Wallace was being drawn and quartered, and Longshanks was dying on his bed, unable to speak, learning of his daughter-in-law's "bun in the oven"...

*cough cough gack choke spit cough*

They are so bad, even such a "Missive from The Boss" as above wouldn't do any good!

445 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:31 pm

"How do we view the night Teixeira had? Fucking amazing. What a guy, he came through once, but not twice. Hey, no-one is perfect. Player of the game!"

446 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:33 pm

Kay: "Pretty sweet that Teixeira was angry after he popped out. That really shows me something. You know what? Player Of The Game!!!"

447 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:33 pm

Arod should just have the full surgery now and get ready for 2010.

448 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 11:34 pm

[447] Precisely!

449 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:35 pm

[447] I concur. A Rod: Player of the YEAR!

450 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:36 pm

You know, Nick Swisher really showed some passion when he got tossed out. I nominate him for Player of the Game! Whoooo

451 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:37 pm

Girardi is going to be fired this year. The Yankees can do it now and hope to save the season, or wait until the team is about 32-40 and do it then.

452 PJ   ~  May 6, 2009 11:37 pm

I mean, would you bust your ass to get ready to join this shitstorm?

I'd pocket my free $30M and go under the knife...

453 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:38 pm

[445] [446] hah ah ah ah ah aha a ha ha a ha ha ha !

Oh, dear God.

454 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:40 pm

Girardi's press conference screams FIRE ME. I hope Hal is listening.

455 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 6, 2009 11:40 pm

[451] Who do you have in mind?

456 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:40 pm

Welcome to the most expensive rebuilding year in MLB history. Bright spots abound ... for the future. Phil Hughes, turning a biiiiiiiiiiig corner. It'll take time. Same with Joba. Why, next year maybe he'll even record 12 Ks and get past the 6th inning. Maybe even walk off the mound without the loss! Teixeira should be settled in in about 13 months. LeBron James will be available ... Waitaminute ...

457 Mattpat11   ~  May 6, 2009 11:40 pm

How can you watch this william?

458 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:42 pm

[457] Because I'm hoping someone will ask Girardi a hard question...or maybe Hal to walk on stage and announce Girardi has been fired.

459 Joel   ~  May 6, 2009 11:43 pm

[423] Mr. Trost, tear down this wall!

Girardi gets until the all-star break. There were a lot of high hopes for him.

Bobby V. on speed dial.

460 williamnyy23   ~  May 6, 2009 11:44 pm

[459] The season will be over by the All Star break.

461 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:44 pm

Seriously, I had high hopes for this season. I had a feeling 2008 wasn't gonna be our year, but I endured it with my eye on the prize: All that money coming off the books, a retooled staff, the ascendence of Chamberlain and perhaps Hughes - 2009 was gonna be sweet. And everything worked out in the offseason perfectly. And yet here we are, enjoying a shit sandwich in early May. The team is gonna get tighter and tighter. The only thing that might break it up is A Rod's return. His bat, his weirdness ... For once the Yankees need a distraction.

462 The Hawk   ~  May 6, 2009 11:47 pm

One thing you can't argue: Taking the lineup and replacing Pena with Rodriguez and Molina with Posada would change everything.

463 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 11:48 pm

For once the Yankees need a distraction.

It's not like they're under the microscope now.

464 Raf   ~  May 6, 2009 11:50 pm

hey look, it's Boomhauer!

465 Joel   ~  May 6, 2009 11:55 pm

Let's not fly off the handle here at 13-14. But Tex's AB in the 10th in that cavernous, depressing ballpark does kinda sum up the season to this point.

466 williamnyy23   ~  May 7, 2009 12:00 am

What really sucks is this team seems very happy with the status quo, so changes wont be made and the team will continue to flounder. It's funny how everyone thought the Yankees would get off to such a good start without the distraction of Arod, but the reality is Arod is one of a few players who actually performs on this team. Too bad he can't manage too because as long as Girardi is at the helm, the Yankees aren't likely to see the post season again.

467 PJ   ~  May 7, 2009 12:01 am

[462] "One thing you can’t argue: Taking the lineup and replacing Pena with Rodriguez and Molina with Posada would change everything."

You're right, Hawk!

They would be an even bigger disgrace with those two playing every day and the team still had a 13-14 record...

468 RagingTartabull   ~  May 7, 2009 12:20 am

You know what, fuck it. If no one else is going to say it I will: When you take away half of the RF platoon, your key 8th inning setup man, your number 2 starter, your starting catcher, your number 1 is wallowing in mediocrity, and your 1B is only now beginning to show signs of life and this team STILL has the chance to be .500 on the day they get back (arguably) the best player in baseball...then maybe a modicum of credit (yeah I said it) is due to the manager.

If Girardi can't get anything out of a healthy A-Rod and a productive Tex and CC, then fine you can look at making a change. But to just do it on May 6th on the heels of a 4 game losing streak would only serve to be a white flag, not a sign of "shaking things up."

Anyone who is longing for the Old George in the middle of this is either delusional or attempting to rewrite history. We're talking about an owner who changed pitching coaches like socks, and I don't recalling it ever accomplishing much of anything except getting the team on the back page for all the wrong reasons. I'm not about to long for the days of an owner whose idea of "securing a pennant" was Buhner for Phelps.

If you wanna fire someone just to make yourself feel better, then knock yourself out and fire Kevin Long or Dave Eiland, why the hell not. But changing managers in the first week of May with the roster issues this team currently has would be all hell of a lot more irresponsible than bringing Phil Coke in to pitch the 10th.

469 williamnyy23   ~  May 7, 2009 12:29 am

[468] Good managers make a difference when the team isn't firing on all cyclinders. In these last two games alone, Girardi blew two bleedingly obvious decisions and both greatly contributed to the team losing. Also, there are so many new faces this year, but the same problems remain. You could take the storylines from the first 30 games last year and apply them to this season and not miss a beat. A significant common denominator between last year's team and this one is Girardi. It's time to hold him accountable.

Furthermore, while George would fire managers on a whim, many times the tactic would work, especially when the team had talent. We saw it in 1978, 1985 and 1996. Such a time exists now.

If you are happy giving Girardi another season to turn a very talented team, injuries and all, into a mediocre ball club, well, then I admire your patience. As for me, I am sick and tired of the same song and dance for 8 months. I've seen enough. It's time for a new voice in that clubhouse.

470 Rich   ~  May 7, 2009 12:47 am

I do wish George would fire someone, but to be fair, I might also trade Montero for Matt Stairs.

471 Rich   ~  May 7, 2009 12:48 am

Try again:

I do wish George would fire someone, but to be fair, he might also trade Montero for Matt Stairs.

472 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 7, 2009 1:16 am

[468] Fire Cashman.
Boston: #1 & #2 starters with ERAs above 5! #3 starter on DL. Big Papi has ZERO home runs. Varitek at .230 and going south..their record is 17-11. That is because they have organizational depth.

Meanwhile, we signed Marte for 3 years..

Fire Cashman!! WHAT has he done since he became GM????

473 Rich   ~  May 7, 2009 1:42 am

[472] Fire Cashman!! WHAT has he done since he became GM????

Three WS and the team made the playoffs every season but last year???

474 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 7, 2009 1:55 am

[473] Add up all of Cashman's signings (as opposed to Big George signings like Sheff) and tell me if you are impressed..

the comparison right now between him and Theo BoSoxstein is not looking good..Sox got Saito cheap! we signed Marte for 3 years..

475 The Hawk   ~  May 7, 2009 8:11 am

[463] Wow, you're missing the point.

476 Raf   ~  May 7, 2009 10:29 am

[475] Not really. Compare and contrast the media coverage now, with say, Willie's last days a manager... One could say their "lackluster" play is a result of distraction? Too may ways to read this.

477 Rich   ~  May 7, 2009 1:08 pm

[474] Part of the reason for Cash's stupid signings was that the mL system, that he had no control over until 2005, was not producing any talent.

If you want to fire him, fine, but assure me that his replacement won't be worse.

Theo won one ring because of Manny and Pedro, who he had no role in acquiring.

478 Raf   ~  May 7, 2009 2:58 pm

Part of the reason for Cash’s stupid signings was that the mL system, that he had no control over until 2005, was not producing any talent.

Regardless, that's no reason to sign Wright & Pavano. At least you could've made a case for signing Igawa.

479 Rich   ~  May 7, 2009 6:31 pm

[478] Cash once said on Mike and the Mad Dog that he was opposed to signing Wright.

At least five teams, including Boston, attempted to sign Pavano, but I agree that because it was a failure, he is accountable for it.

Why do you think there was a case for signing Igawa? From what I have read he always threw up in the zone, which would seem to indicate that his stuff probably wouldn't translate.

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