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Take Two

Beautiful stuff from CC Sabathia last night. Alex Rodriguez’s first inning homer was tremendous and it was oh what a feeling fun to see the Yankees win a game.

Phil Hughes makes his third start tonight.  Be nice to see the Yanks go on a run here.

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1 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 6:45 pm

other news from the last post

tomko up

robertson down

hacker DFA'd

2 Alex Belth   ~  May 9, 2009 6:48 pm

and the Rays are pounding the stuffin out of the Sox...

3 PJ   ~  May 9, 2009 6:59 pm

Red Sox 5 - Rays 14

Top of the 8th...

4 PJ   ~  May 9, 2009 7:05 pm

[3] Like I said yesterday... Mr. Insurmountable Lead is taking up residence lately at The Fens...

: )

5 ms october   ~  May 9, 2009 7:18 pm

when tex first hurt his wrist it prevented him from batting right handed - but the splits raf gave last night and yes did just now are showing his futility batting left handed - so looks like the wrist is now really impacting him batting lh

6 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 7:27 pm


phil spinning his CB so far ...

7 Dimelo   ~  May 9, 2009 7:28 pm

What's Adam Jones thinking there?

8 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 7:29 pm

Youngest battery (outside of Sept. callups) since 1971? Who says the Yankees aren't getting younger.

9 PJ   ~  May 9, 2009 7:32 pm

[6] I think that was an intentional walk to get the R/R matchup, Cult. They didn't want Huff to get a hit there.

10 ms october   ~  May 9, 2009 7:34 pm

please pay attention to possible pick-offs tonight swisher

11 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 7:35 pm

[9] yeah, i know, he was clearly pitching around huff

he was also spinning all his curves ... to everybody.

12 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 7:38 pm

Gawd what a cheap ass hit. Guy should be ashamed and not accept it.

13 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 7:43 pm

well, that's a FUGLY play.

14 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 7:43 pm


15 Just Fair   ~  May 9, 2009 7:44 pm

As soon as log on the Yanks do an impression of my JV team. Crap.

16 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 7:45 pm

And Hughes hits Izturis right in the butt.

17 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 7:46 pm


18 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 7:49 pm

Get well soon, Jorge. Or even Molina.

19 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 7:50 pm

looks like i picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue ...

20 PJ   ~  May 9, 2009 7:50 pm


Cano in the incorrect position for two batters?

Swisher playing "Rainbow Warrior" tonight?


Can a player be put on the DL for having his head up his ass in two straight games?

21 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 7:50 pm

3-0 already?

22 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 7:51 pm

looks like we'll be seeing Tomko or the Mexican Gangsta tonite.

sigh ...

23 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 7:52 pm

And Hughes isn't pitching horribly either. Guess the Yankees are trying to stink with the glove tonight.

24 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 7:53 pm

Kyestone Kano tonight in the field?

25 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 7:53 pm

You can wipe yesterday's win right off the books. For the Yankees to follow up a win like yesterday with such a pitiful performance today speaks to the deeper issues troubling this team. It simply is an ill prepared, easily rattled group and something has to be done to change that. Otherwise, this team wont have to worry about a pennant race.

26 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 7:53 pm

Our defense has gone to hell in a handbasket.

27 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 7:54 pm


28 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 7:55 pm


so has this game ...

29 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 7:55 pm

looks like Sunday In The Park for me then, 7-0 to the Os..humiliating.

30 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 7:56 pm

Hughes at 44 pitches. Only one out.

Bullpen warming.

31 ms october   ~  May 9, 2009 7:56 pm

this quickly turned into quite a clusterfuck

32 PJ   ~  May 9, 2009 7:57 pm

Terrible... absolutely terrible...

These fucking players are made of glass...

33 jimcobain   ~  May 9, 2009 7:57 pm

If Cano got one of those first two hits, this inning probably doesn't unfold the way it just did.

What angers me isn't that Cano was out of position. but that the inning after Robby bounces into a double play he goes out intot he field and doesn't even look like he cared those balls we just getting by him. I hope Girardi doesn't wait 5 months to bench him like he did last year.

34 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 7:57 pm

As long as no one is going to be held accountability, there isn't much reason to think things are going to change. Pretty much anytime something has gone against this team, they waive the white flag.

35 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 7:58 pm

Edwar is warming.

36 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 7:58 pm

These fucking players are made of glass…


37 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 7:59 pm

[33] How do you Cano was out of position? Maybe Hughes missed location. On the first ball, Cano was playing a dead pull lefty deep in the hole, but he went up the middle. Then, he shifted to double play depth and Montanez snuck one through the other way. Pitcher's have to pitch to the defense. If they miss their spots, it's not the infielder's fault.

38 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:00 pm

That's an awful job by Hughes...at some point he has to stop imploding.

39 PJ   ~  May 9, 2009 8:00 pm

[36] Thanks Cult!

40 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 8:01 pm

Uh, boy. Hughes can't even get out of the 2nd. Bring back Chien-Ming Wang.

41 vockins   ~  May 9, 2009 8:01 pm

This team will not go to the playoffs.

42 jimcobain   ~  May 9, 2009 8:03 pm

[37] I don't "know" he was.

The bottom line is both balls we close enough for Robbie to dive, lunge, something. Instead he just troted by. Then the ball goes of Tex's glove and Robby saunters over to pick it up even though a guy was going to third. Just like you think Girardi is toxic to the team, then I think the players body language is toxic to the team. It give off an air of not giving a shit or accountability.

43 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 8:03 pm

Aw geez.

44 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:03 pm

[35] who's a Firestarter, crazy Firestarter ...

SOOOO glad it was Robertson and Melancon who got sent down ...

45 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 8:04 pm


46 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 8:06 pm

[41] I don't think they are, either. And frankly, I'm starting to think that won't change, until they get rid of some of their aging stars.

47 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 8:07 pm

well Catwoman's playing on AMC. Despite Halle winning a Razzie for it, it might be a better option than this game.

48 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:08 pm

If the Yankees lose tomorrow, they win up with another 3 game losing streak after they get beat by Halladay. I think at the point, the Yankee brass will finally wake up to reality and fire Girardi. Basically, the Yankees will be playing for Girardi's job tomorrow. They may be better off if they lose.

49 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:09 pm

yeah, this is going to be one of *those* games, isn't it ...

50 The Hawk   ~  May 9, 2009 8:10 pm

I think we can safely say now that one of Hughes' most touted attributes - his mental makeup - simply is not as advertised. Joba is a head case / hothead and he recovers better than Hughes. I know it was a fucked up series of plays, but Hughes should have taken heart that the first hits were pretty lucky. One more like that and he'd likely have had a double play. Instead he let it get to him and completely melted down. I don't have faith in this guy.

51 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 8:10 pm

[47] Halle in tight leather? Beats watching our "defense" that's 4 sho...

52 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:13 pm

[50] It's really hard to have any confidence in Hughes, both short-term and long-term. He has shown a tendency to absolutely implode if he either doesn't have his best stuff or faces any adversity. It's bewildering and depressing.

53 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:14 pm

Meanwhile, the Yankees offense is being shut down by another awful pitcher.

54 PJ   ~  May 9, 2009 8:14 pm

[37] Bah! If Cano plays normal second base, he gets both of those piss poor excuses for bleeder hits! One of 'em came to a stop before it got to Cabrera for Christ's sakes! Then dipshit Tex overplays one under his glove?

I've seen better defense in high school games!

These assclowns' overthinking and overplaying everything absolutely sucks! The game isn't that difficult for players at this level!

Hughes deserves better than this "mail it in" excuse for defensive butchery!

As I said, these morons are made of glass! They overthink and overplay, which sets them up for mistake after mistake! They simply cannot handle mistakes in the least! Crash! Broken glass everywhere! And a friggen SEVEN spot on the board!


And you want to fire Girardi!

It's not his fault his players have the collective baseball IQ's of a turnip!

55 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 8:15 pm

Hughes is still young and easily rattled, but I have to think part of the blame goes to Cervelli. Cervelli is as much of a kid as Hughes, and with less experience. I gotta think if it was Jorgie behind the plate, it would have made a difference. Told Hughes to get home faster than he did, for example, and warned to him to look for the ball. The bad defense in that inning was Hughes' as much as anyone's.

56 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:16 pm

Nice play by lazy Cano.

57 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:17 pm

[54] He's not playing a normal second base for a reason. A 2B doesn't simply stand straight away...he plays where his scouting report positions him. If you think Cano was out of position, blame Girardi and his coaching staff.

58 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:18 pm

[55] Cervelli is to blame for Hughes missing location by feet, not inches?

59 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 9, 2009 8:19 pm

So I go out to get a burger and a beer with a friend (a delicious fucking burger, truly, a cut above), come back flip on the radio, and now it's high and fair and gone and the score is 9-0.

Too much to ask that I might actually come home to a game, huh?

60 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:19 pm

Robertson and Melancon were sent down why? Because Girardi doesn't have faith in them, I guess?

61 Just Fair   ~  May 9, 2009 8:19 pm

Go Penguins!

62 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:20 pm

[59] At least Arod has 3 more ABs.

63 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 8:21 pm

[58] I really don't think Hughes' pitching was that bad. Yeah, he had a few bad pitches, but everyone does. (And I have a feeling that plunking of Izturis was not an accident.) It was really the defense that killed us in the inning. IMO.

64 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:24 pm

[63] You think he hit Iztruis on purpose? The 9th batter with an 0-2 count?

Hughes was that bad...he was missing location all inning...even the dribblers that everyone is blaming Cano for were the result of completely missing the catcher's glove.

65 The Hawk   ~  May 9, 2009 8:28 pm

[52] I think the best idea is not to believe the hype on these prospects. Joba came up and paid off immediately and in spades. That's rare, sure, but the fact is none of us should be disappointed by Hughes. I fell for it as much as anyone, but the proof is in the pudding: The guy rattles wayyyyy to easily and too often.

And no, [63], he wasn't pitching that bad ... at first. He was the victim of bad luck and terrible defense. But he soon made up for that and flushed the game down the toilet on his own.

66 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 8:29 pm

Bases loaded, no outs. Think the Yankees will score a run here?

67 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:31 pm

[66] can we get more than one?

68 The Hawk   ~  May 9, 2009 8:31 pm

Hard to believe all those runs were earned and the Yankees only tagged with one error. I don't think that's right.

69 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 8:32 pm

Bases loaded, no outs and the Yankees score a grand total of one run. Bad pitching, bad defense, bad hitting.

70 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:33 pm


horrible fucking game for him ...

71 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:35 pm

[69] i'd love to see our actual runs scored in bases loaded situations this year compared to a run expectancy matrix for those situations ...

'cause i have to imagine we're orders below what even an mediocre team would manage in those spots ...

72 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:36 pm

According to PeteAbe, this is the 9th game (out of 30) that the Yankees have given up 9 or more runs. For a team this talented to be this bad, there has to be an under current at work.

73 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:39 pm

Jesus, Edwar puts more objects in orbit than NASA ...

74 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 8:39 pm

[72] When, if ever, is Cashman going to be held accountable for this wretched bullpen? And, can we please get rid of Edwar now??

75 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:40 pm

That's why Cano was playing in the hole for Scott last time. I guess it's his fault that he was positioned up the middle and Edwar hung one.

Meanwhile, Girardi is pretty much punting this game with Edwar, which again makes you wonder how he could possible choose him over Robertson and Melancon.

At this point, I can only hope the Orioles embarass the Yankees so badly, that the Yankees decide to finally pull the trigger.

76 The Hawk   ~  May 9, 2009 8:41 pm

The "A Rod Cure" apparently lasts less than 24 hours ...

77 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:42 pm

[74] My only problem with that is I (and many here) loved all the arms in the bullpen and pleaded with Cashman not to sign some veteran arm. Last and year and this, I honestly felt this team left camp with enough talent to win. That's why I don't get too down on Cashman.

78 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:43 pm

[76] There is only one lasting cure for this team.

79 The Hawk   ~  May 9, 2009 8:45 pm

It's like, if the Red Sox get blown out, the Yanks say "Oh yeah???" and proceed to mega-meltdown mode, in a perverse game of one-upmanship. Or -downmanship. Whichever is it, I'm gonna forget about this game and go back to daydreaming about CC Sabathia hollering his victory cry last night. Remember that?

80 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:46 pm

The sad thing is if Girardi hadn't thrown in the towel with Edwar, this might still be a game with Eaton on the mound and the Orioles bullpen.

81 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 8:47 pm

[79] Serenity Now..

82 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 8:49 pm

I don't blame Cashman for the pen. Relief pitchers are notoriously hard to predict.

I blame him for the catching situation, though. Jorgie is geriatric for a catcher, and coming off his second shoulder surgery. Roughly half of pro baseball players never recover from shoulder surgery. IMO, he should have signed a young catcher of the future years ago.

83 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:50 pm

[78] more cowbell?

84 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:51 pm

[82] That's fair, but I don't think the Yankees have been losing games because of their catching situation ( at least not yet). Also, take a look at some of the catchers around baseball. It's not like they grow on trees.

85 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:51 pm

IMO, he should have signed a young catcher of the future years ago.

like who, exactly?

86 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 8:51 pm

[83] Was thinking Pepermint Patty..

87 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:51 pm

[83] New manager.

88 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 8:52 pm

Damon is at trying to carry the team at least.

89 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:52 pm

I like Damon...glad to see him pad his stats.

90 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:53 pm


sigh ...

91 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:54 pm

Yankees are really gonna make Girardi's decision to boot the game with Edwar look bad.

92 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 8:54 pm

[86] Drink heavily?

93 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 8:54 pm

well awritttttte! THIS is what they SHOULD be doing against garbage like Adam Eaton. Bring it on boys, Kick Out The Jams!!

94 vockins   ~  May 9, 2009 8:55 pm

[85] Dioner Navarro?

95 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 8:56 pm

[80] ding, ding, ding.

I don't have a problem bringing in Edwar (or another short man) in the 2nd, since they can warm up fast than a starter like Aceves can. And *maybe* it okay to have him come out to start the next inning.

But there's no excuse to have him come out for another one after that.

Aceves is on the staff for a fucking reason, use him.

96 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 8:58 pm

It's really amazing how Kay tells the same stories over and over.

97 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 9:02 pm

[85] Well, he could've kept Dioner Navarro, though perhaps he didn't have much say in that trade.

But I'd have made acquiring a young catcher a priority, precisely because they are the hardest position to fill. Pittsburgh had some extras, and so did Texas. Saltalamacchia was available.

We've got catching talent in the minors, so it didn't have to be a superstar. Just someone who could split time with Jorgie until Montero or whoever is ready.

98 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 9:04 pm

[97] It took Teixeira to get Salty. Who is the extra on Pittsburgh?

99 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 9:05 pm

Holy crap. If they come back, this game will be up there with that game against the Rangers, when they came back from being down 13 or something like that...

100 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 9:10 pm

Apparently, Tomko was brought here to play a more prominent role because if you aren't going to use him as a long man tonight, then when?

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101 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:10 pm

[70] ANOTHER piss-ass poor at bat for Rotten.

meanwhile ... Everyday Albie?

102 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 9:12 pm

[98] I'd rather have Salty than Teixeira. Not that he's not a great player, but catcher is a harder position to fill.

Ronny Paulino was available. Ryan Doumit was available at one point, too.

103 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:12 pm

[100] or Aceves ... i mean, he's your LONG MAN, why are you burning up your other relievers?

104 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 9:16 pm

Pete Abe: "Now it would be 7-5 without Edwar."

105 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:18 pm

man, JD knows he let a good pitch to hit go there ...

106 The Hawk   ~  May 9, 2009 9:22 pm

Btw - What in the name of all that's holy was Swisher doing with that throw in the 2nd? That was so weird and stupid.

107 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 9:26 pm

Swisher's head is not in the game tonight.

108 Just Fair   ~  May 9, 2009 9:27 pm

[106] Just trying to make a strong throw to home if they guy from 2nd was attempting to score. Which he wasn't. I want to know why Hughes was so late backing up home, and with his back to the field no less. Just pathetic.

109 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:28 pm

[107] maybe he and Robbie were out after curfew last night ...

110 Just Fair   ~  May 9, 2009 9:30 pm

[109] B'more's the last place you want to be out past curfew.

111 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 9:32 pm

Maybe it's the water. Didn't A-Rod say he got sick whenever he had to drink the water in Baltimore? He started flying in his own bottled water, or something like that.

112 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 9:35 pm

[110] Great Aquarium though..I saw it on an episode of "Homicide" once..

113 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 9:43 pm

BBTN is now mocking the Yankees. "Don't worry New York, help is on the way. The Yankees called up Brett Tomko"

We are getting mocked.

114 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:45 pm

[113] we deserve it right now ...

115 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 9:46 pm


116 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:46 pm

sweet, The Brett Tomko Experience is TEH AWESOME!!!

117 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:46 pm

[116] at least Tomko will fit in around here ...

118 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 9:46 pm

[102] You'd rather have an unproven catcher over a gold glove 1B with a 150 OPS+...REALLY?

119 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 9:46 pm

Okay, so I guess Tomko is not the answer...

120 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 9:47 pm

Sadly, with Tomko and Edwar, we are seeing the results of Girardi's "faith" in veteraness. Who needs Melancon and Roberts!

121 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 9:49 pm

By the way, have we seen enough bad Yankee pitching to conclude that maybe the new Stadium isn't a launching pad?

122 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 9, 2009 9:50 pm

[116] Tomko! Aceves! Ramirez! The New Nasty Boyeeeezz!

123 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:51 pm

[122] don't you go lumping the Mexican Gangsta in with those other two clowns ...

124 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:55 pm

sweet, time to break out the BIG bats ...

125 cult of basebaal   ~  May 9, 2009 9:56 pm

a pop out from Slappy to top off this shit sandwich of a game.

g'nite everybody!

126 Just Fair   ~  May 9, 2009 9:58 pm

IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIF the Yanks win tomorrow, they win the series. So they got that to shoot for.
[112] That made me laugh. I've actually been there. Who doesn't like to see adults in wet suits out of water telling dolphins what to do? : )

127 rbj   ~  May 9, 2009 9:58 pm

Grumble grumble grumble. Bad pitching, bad hitting, bad defense. This team needs a stern talking to.

128 Mattpat11   ~  May 9, 2009 10:02 pm

I think its time to pull the plug on the Tomko Experiment.

129 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 10:04 pm

There's more where that came from! It's gonna be a looong season.

130 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 10:09 pm

Ugh. I think the worst thing is that the Orioles are the cellar-dwellars of the division. And we're a closer runner-up. I know even bad teams win 40% of the time, but this is depressing.

131 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 10:10 pm

Uh, boy. Joba might not pitch tomorrow. That's why Aceves was held back tonight. He might be our new starter.

132 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  May 9, 2009 10:10 pm


And yet, it's been worse. What was it, two, three seasons ago when we were 11-19 or whatever it was when Toronto stole home?

Not that that's any consolation or anything.

133 williamnyy23   ~  May 9, 2009 10:16 pm

Girardi has an excuse for everything...there is no accountability on this team.

134 randym77   ~  May 9, 2009 10:17 pm

There's a new thread up.

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