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Yanks Stand Pat

Back to the game. The Yanks did not make any major moves while the Red Sox boosted their offense with the addition of Victor Martinez, and their fielding by trading for Casey Kochman.  Two nice moves and perfectly timed given the Big Papi Mishegoss.

Halladay stays put.

The Bombers lost a close one last night. They are gunna need to put some runs on the board this evening with Mr. Mitre on the mound.

Time to get back to work. Let’s go, fellas. We believe in ya.

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1 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:00 pm

Yeah! Enough fartin' around and get back to winning non stop!

: )

2 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:08 pm

Worth noting: the White Sox traded their scheduled starter, Clayton Richard, in the deal for Jake Peavy. D.J. Carrasco will start for Chicago tonight.

The Yankees picked up Jerry Hairston Jr. for a throwaway minor leaguer. There's your right-handed bench bat, though Shelley Duncan is here tonight in place of Jonathan Albaladejo. Shelley's not starting because the lefty got traded. Erik Hinske's in right tonight against the righty Carrasco.

3 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:24 pm

[2] I asked on the last thread--do you think the team will ship Duncan out when Hairston arrives, or will they DFA Ransom?

4 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:27 pm

Hmmm. Hairston plays just about every position, though none of them very well. I'm guessing they send Shelley back down. The Yanks have enough corner OFers.

5 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:30 pm

[4] I like the roster flexibility of 2 BUIF, but I I also like having more of an offensive threat of the bench. If it were me, I might choose to carry only Hairston and keep Duncan around on the off chance he steps into the occasional LH pitch.

6 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:31 pm

"You want more information, I'm pretty sure you guys got the phone number to the union. Call the union, and they can explain that to you guys. ... Me and David, we're like two mountains. We're going to keep playing the game, and we're going to keep doing good. We're trying to move forward; that's the key here." -- Manny Ramirez checking in from St. Louis tonight

Mountains? More like a couple of boobs, really big boobs!

: )

7 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:31 pm

[3] interesting question, I had just assumed Duncan, but Ransom makes sense, I need to dig around on Hairston. Been writing about Martinez and Peavy for SI. Look for those later tonight.

8 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:33 pm

Greetings from section 5 in RF in Camden Yards. I'd say the crowd is 40% BoSox. Me? I'm wearing an O's polo shirt and eating Boog's BBQ.

9 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:33 pm

Ah, here's the Martinez one.

10 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:35 pm

[6] "We're like two mountains...we're trying to move forward."

It's reminiscent of--but not quite as silly as--Shaq referring to himself as the Pythagorean Theorem (no solution).

11 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:35 pm

[8] Now Boog's is definitely "Good Eats!"

What was the pulse around the convention about Ortiz, Diane?

12 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:36 pm

I guess Hairston will be the backup CFer now. He was the Reds' starting CFer for awhile.

13 Just Fair   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:37 pm

MLB network ticker just read that Dice-K's been placed on the 60 day DL.

14 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:39 pm

[8] oriole shirt + boogs' bbq = red sox loss
hope you enjoyed the sabr convention.

i think it really depends on what they see hariston as - just a uif or do they play on playing him some in the of - former, bye cody; latter, bye shelley

15 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:40 pm

Oh, someone on Twitter reported that we traded Austin Jackson for Hairston. Reds fans got all excited.

16 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:41 pm

[10] The only things in common between mountains, and Ramirez/Ortiz are all the rocks... as in "as dumb as!"

And some more "celebrity kids" go the way of "Home Schooling" starting this fall...

"Thanks dad!"

: )

17 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:42 pm

[13] is 60 days enough time to replenish his piggy bank?

maybe they needed the roster spot for all their 1b.

18 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:43 pm

[14] I don't see it that way, though you may be right. There is no way he is going to take any starting CF time from Melky, so there is no reason he cannot be the semi-emergency BUCF and also the primary BUIF.

Hairston is not much of a hitter; in fact, he might be worse than Ransom over the long haul. So I would like to think that the team will not carry both Ransom AND Hairston (and Molina), along with 12 pitchers. That would mean that the bench is essentially Hinkse and...Hinske.

19 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:44 pm

[15] LOL @ Reds fans! Weren't they also the ones who thought they were getting Chamberlain and Hughes for Arroyo? I mean the Yankees really need a fifth starter!

20 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:44 pm

[13] Wow, he is the first guy in MLB history to be underworked onto the 60 day DL. That's surprising, given how lazy Americans surprisingly are.

21 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:47 pm

[17] he don't need no stinkin' piggy bank. he keeps his "savings" in his shoulder! ; )

22 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:48 pm


per petey:
UPDATE, 6:42 p.m.: It could be one and done for Shelley. Sounds like the Yankees may keep Ransom and Hairston to expand roster versatility. Girardi talked about being able to use them both. Interesting.

i think we know the word for this.

23 Diane Firstman   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:49 pm


good time all 3 days so far ....

George Michael conducted a fun and free-wheelin interview with Frank Howard and Rick Dempsey this morning. Christina Kahrl gave a great speech about the need for all types of analysis when evaluating talent. I had a fun chat with Curt Smith, author of a new biog on Vin Scully.

24 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:50 pm

Hairston was a starter with the Reds, though at many different positions. (LF, RF, CF, SS, 2B, 3B) A lot of SS and 3B, because Encarnacion and Gonzalez spent a lot of the season the DL. But I can't see him starting for the Yanks. He'll be a bench player. A very versatile one, but he's not good enough with the bat or glove to start.

25 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:50 pm

[8] Camden Yards such a great place to watch a game, hope you get to see Jones and Markakis smack Smoltzie around!

Off to "Little Edo" Kawagoe today for some special buckwheat soba and more grilled eel on rice, hope I get home later to see a good win on Gameday!

Oh, and Peavy to the ChiSox..nice move but Tigers should still hold them off...

26 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:52 pm

[20] "...supposedly are..."

OK, back the regularly scheduled program.

27 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:53 pm

[13] The Unabridged RSN Dictionary defines that as "We're going with John Smoltz should we make the post season. After all, he's a 'Company Guy'."

On a poetic note, tomorrow is Victor Martinez Bobble Head Day in Cleveland! - Source - Indians Season Ticket Holder

: )

28 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:54 pm

[22] Is "roster flexibility" a code for "having bad players at multiple positions"? Maybe they can teach Molina how to play 1B or RF and go for the trifecta.

Meanwhile, Hinkse--whose strength was supposed to be potential flexibility--is banished to the bench and an occasional start in RF only.

29 Just Fair   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:56 pm

[27] You spend too much time reading the Official RSN Dictionary. : D

30 Bobtaco   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:57 pm

"start queuing up for your playoff tickets in Boston."

So Cliff, who doesn't get to lineup for tickets now, Tampa or New York?

31 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 31, 2009 6:58 pm

[28] Didn't Luis Sojo provide "roster flexibility", which contributed to 4 championships? Don't you know, good teams need "character" guys who are "team first" and "play the game the right way"!

32 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:00 pm

[29] Well somebody has to translate their gibberish into English around here, Just Fair!

Heh heh

33 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:02 pm

[31] I do tend to forget that.

You know, I was really hoping the roster insanity would end when Torre left. This season has been a huge disappointment. I know most of the roster moves I bitch about take place at the fringes, but it is frustrating nonetheless to see than carry 13 pitchers in a week when the starters all gor 7 or 8 innings, to burn a promising young starter on the 8th INNING when the rotation is short, to to refuse to take advantage of certain players who may provide some platoon pop or even a little roster flexibility, to carry multiple awful hitters on the bench, and so forth. Some of this falls on the GM for creating a weaker bench, but a lot falls on the manager for the way he uses his resources (and I have no doubt that Girardi has a good deal of input over who is placed on the active roster).

34 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:07 pm

[33] Agreed, the moves at the end of the roster this year have been extremely baffling. Angel Berroa will remain a mystery of the universe for quite some time I feel...

Looking to the postseaseon though, having Hinske and Hairston as your main bat and glove on the bench..not too shabby?

35 Horace Clarke Era   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:10 pm

I really wanted Washburn a whole lot. We may get him in the winter, but I still see major issues with JobaPhil ahead and Washburn, this year's version, would have fit in extremely well. I think he'll help the Tigers a lot - in part because he solves THEIR innings cap issue.

Jerry H is a bit like Hinske ... minor update in terms of depth, mainly while Gardner's out. No biggie, little surrendered. Not even worth Hairston Jr jokes.

Bosox will have some managing choices to be made, unless someone gets hurt ... V Mart leaves them solidly covered at C and both corners now and I assume he's the C next year.

Cash stuck to his 'I won't pay twice' philosophy, it looks like.

36 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:12 pm

[33-34] yeah i don't get these roster decisions either. as you say they are at the periphery but they still should be maximized.

at least when gritner comes back they can send a fruit basket to one of these guys.

37 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:23 pm

[30] The Rays. They were the ones who needed Martinez.

38 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:33 pm

Sounds like Girardi sees Hairston as a Gardner replacement.

39 Just Fair   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:33 pm

Will Varitek add a B,E,N, and H to the front of his jersey now?

40 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:37 pm

[39] I was wondering about that too, Just Fair. Not so subtle a way for the Red Sox to let Cap'n Tek know he's finished, was it?

I also wonder if VMart can catch Wakefield...

Still can't get over the VMart Bobble Head Day in Cleveland tomorrow!


: )

41 Just Fair   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:39 pm

[40] I'd say Cleveland has had a rough year but they got to be used to it by now.

42 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:44 pm

[39] Peep my SI piece on Martinez linked above for my take.

43 Just Fair   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:51 pm

[42] Good stuff, indeed. Can't say I like the last sentence, though. : D My hope is that there will be "wicked clubhas' tension" and they'll bomb the final 2 months of the season.

44 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 31, 2009 7:56 pm

Big Injection just homered for the Sox..up 3-0 now.


This article is insane! I grew up two blocks from Di Fara's and it was NEVER considered the best pizza in the neighborhood, let alone the city. Jerry's pizza just two blocks down on East 13th st was MUCH better. Jerry was from Naples and also imported a lot of his ingredients. Last time I was back he was close to retired..and had converted to kosher as Midwood became more Orthodox..in any case, $5 for a slice is an outrage...

45 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:02 pm

[44] $5 per slice? Better make it four. I don't think I can afford eight!

: )

46 seamus   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:12 pm

hey we got to their bullpen already!

47 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:12 pm

Nice hustle Cap'n!

48 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:17 pm


49 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:18 pm

score truckin'

50 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:19 pm

Wow, is Alex scuffling at the dish...

Another run though!

51 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:20 pm

jorge dp special

52 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:22 pm

[50] Eight for his last 40... two doubles... zero HR.


53 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:26 pm

diane has willed bal to 3 runs

robbie is making catches the 4th of in slow pitch territory

54 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:33 pm

AJ..there's that news van again...3-1, can Mitre hold it? got to split now, hope the O keeps bangin and we win easily in a Bruney-proof game!

55 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:38 pm

that could have been worse

mitre is always going to give up hits - he can't start walking people too

56 bxsparksnyc   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:38 pm

Ian Kennedy were are you?

57 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:44 pm

everytime i see shelley i think of mice and men

58 NYYfan22   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:50 pm

[57] haha Lenny?

59 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:51 pm

this has the makings of the mitre experiment going quite awry

60 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:51 pm

Mitre kinda SUCKS : /

61 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:51 pm

[58] yep :}

62 tommyl   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:52 pm

Um, this is not good. Triple play time?

63 tommyl   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:52 pm

Oh goodie, and Beckham is up. This has grand slam written all over it.

64 bxsparksnyc   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:53 pm

What the bejesus is up with the clumsy non athletic pitcher karma lately...

65 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:54 pm

i see the lovely tradition of a major asshat who yells throughout the game conveniently located near the field mic at the cellular continues

66 jdsarduy   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:54 pm

And the Yanks didn’t trade for a pitcher to give this guy a chance?
Doesn’t look good.

67 tommyl   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:55 pm

[66] Who should they have traded for? AJax for Washburn? Hughes, Joba and Montero for Halladay?

68 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:56 pm

Well, Bronson Arroyo and Aaron Harang can likely be had. They're paid so much they'd clear waivers.

69 tommyl   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:56 pm

Ah, Melky's arm giveth, then taketh away.

70 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:57 pm

not the most prudent play there guys

71 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:57 pm

total bollocks.

and Hawk is horrible. : /

72 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:59 pm

is aceves available tonight?
if so, how much could he even go?

73 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:59 pm

This guy is horrible. I don't see how in the world Phil and Joba don't trade places when the time comes. Unless I'm missing something, we have two good starting pitchers once Joba meets the innings limit and then a lot of gack. Mitre is just disgusting to watch tonight. Awful.

74 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 8:59 pm

[68] do you watch the reds a lot?

75 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:00 pm

50 pitches for 4 outs. lovely.

robertson already up in the pen.

76 jdsarduy   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:00 pm

(67)Not Washburn, but maybe Bannister, Meche or even Arroyo.
All we need a decent number 5 starter.

Or a sold right handed relief pitcher and put Hughes in the starting rotation

77 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:01 pm

[71] sorry man - mitre + hawk must be totally excrutiating

78 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:01 pm

[72] he's been sore and hasn't pitched in 10 days. i have no idea...

79 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:01 pm

[77] i know, the ONE time i get to watch my boyz on tv and i get this crap. figures.

80 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:02 pm

From what I understand we could have had Bannister for 650k. If that's true, not paying 650k to enhance a 200 million payroll is just stupid as a financial play. This guy doesn't look remotely competent.

81 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:02 pm

You can't get Bronson Arroyo unless he promises to do steroids again.

82 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:04 pm

[80] i agree. i didn't understand why those dollars prevented that. plus, i love that kid! saber-dork!!! : )

83 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:04 pm

I don't want anything to do with that "keep the myth aliver through bad andro" bs'er. Besides, he has a stupid looking face.

84 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:04 pm

Time to search the waiver wires for a 5th starter.

85 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:05 pm

[74] Not a lot, but some. I have a lot of friends who follow the NL Central teams.

86 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:09 pm

Two Ks on 3-2 pitches...frustrating. The Yankees may need 10 runs in this game, so they can't let Carrasco off the hook.

87 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:10 pm

All I know is losing two straight to this schlub .500 team is unacceptable. And I don't care how much like Sir Pizza, Mitre looks...

88 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:10 pm

garza got fined an undisclosed amount for hitting tex.

didn't aj get *suspended* for NOT hitting a batter?!?!

what gives?!

89 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:11 pm

damn - good piece of hitting but no run in

90 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:11 pm

[88] That would be MLB "horseshit," Thelarmis...


91 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:11 pm

Mats scorched that!

man, i'd love to plate these 2 runs...

92 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:11 pm

[90] yeah, sounds about right. : /


93 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:11 pm


94 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:12 pm

Another wasted opportunity...the Yankees better wake themselves up.

95 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:12 pm

crap - got to get lots of runs this game

96 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:12 pm

Dammit. I really thought they'd get a run in there.

97 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:12 pm

It seems to me that Matsui no longer can hit to the opposite field. He simply tries to pull every pitch.

98 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:14 pm

Frustrating day and night so far.

Such a great afternoon yesterday with the Red Sox steroid news - please don't let this be one of those things where it all goes downhill from there. Please don't let that glorious moment be the precursor to nothing but gack.

99 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:15 pm

alright end this now - otherwise they are just giving this game away

100 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:15 pm

The hell with this guy - Mitre is a bum. My blood pressure is rising.

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101 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:17 pm

There leaving in Mitre because?

102 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:17 pm

[101] They're!

103 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:17 pm

Okay, when Mitre does that it's time for him to leave...

Amazing how the Yankees can beat the Twins in their building, who I think are better than the ChiSox, and then they go to Chicago and look like they did in April.


104 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:17 pm

carlos quen'in -

yes, he did...

105 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:18 pm

[96] i didn't.

106 bxsparksnyc   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:19 pm

My goodness...Kay and Al along with the pitching is making this veerryy difficult....

107 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:19 pm

[104] Is he from Manha'in?

: )

108 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:19 pm

9 baserunners. 5 runs. 67 pitches for 7 outs. feh!

109 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:20 pm

Find myself thinking that another pitcher from Girardi's past that he had confidence in was Farnsworth. Great...

110 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:20 pm

nice play, jeter.

111 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:20 pm

This is now three bad starts from Mitre. He should not get a fourth, even if it means going to Igawa. Maybe the Yankees should have been a little more aggressive in their pursuit of a pitcher?

112 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:20 pm

106, I call a Kay and Leiter booth an idiot salad. It's agony.

113 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:22 pm

i like kay, but he doesn't do well in a booth with just himself and kay - he really needs the other person

114 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:24 pm

[113] Have they brought up Flash again?


: )

115 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:24 pm

Remember the old Sesame Street skit about which one of these things is not like the other? Well, on this team, Sergio Mitre is the answer. He is like a rusty old gate around a nice big mansion.

116 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:24 pm

[111] yeah these games are too important to just piddle away.
it also makes it near impossible to skip any of joba's starts.
when he was just giving up hits he wasn't a disaster.
but this game is showing that if he loses a tiny bit of command and walks a few people he is an unmitigated disaster.

117 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:25 pm

Classic exchange to end the inning between those two:

Kay: "Is it that he can't throw strikes or is he afraid of contact"

Leiter: "Well, I don't know... (random babble, babble)

Leiter's mealy mouthed non answers drive me nuts

118 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:26 pm

[114] thankfully no flash sitings.
it is unacceptable how long it has been with no coney. al does well with o'neill as the 3rd person too.

119 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:27 pm

fuck. he did again...

120 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:27 pm

ah shit - please don't be one of those nights

121 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:27 pm

Well struck by Melky, Damn him for catching that ball.

Evening, Team.

122 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:27 pm

tie the game, eric.

123 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

I like Al Leiter. He's one of my favorites.

124 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

[116] When Mitre was facing the likes of Oakland, you could envision the Yankees winning his starts 7-5. Against better offenses, however, he is bound to get hamered. He has so little on his pitches that it looks like I could grab a hat and hit him.

125 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm


126 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

[122] thank you!!! : )

hinske with your best shot!!!

127 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

Just tuned in to see how Mitre-good-enough-for-a-this-offense-fifth-starter-about-as-good-as-hughes is doing.

Not so good, it seems. At this rate, he'll end up being the worst starter to take the honorary Injured Wang Rotation Turn.

128 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

Nice job, Eric Hinske, whoever you are, however you got on this team.

129 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

Woohoo Hinske!

130 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

I hate when outfielders try to fool us like that.

131 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

[122] i'm taking that as a prediction nostralarmis - nice

132 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

Hinski has now earned the right to start every 12th game!

133 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

[122] eric listened to me!

134 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

[128] Remember, Weeping--demon long ball kills!

135 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:29 pm

[126] Oh, that's terrible!

136 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:29 pm

That boy just hits nothing but home runs God bless him - dang!

137 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:29 pm

[134] :)

138 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:30 pm

[131] yeah! i had to let you guys know i still had it. Cult asked me to hold down the fort this weekend! : )

Nostralarmis at your service. here are the keys to the score truck. no speed limit!

139 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:30 pm

It's 5-5, but with Mitre on the mound it feels like they are trailing 8-5. Of course, I am sure White Sox fans probably feel like they are trailing on 8-5. These types of games are why you can't have a Mitre in the rotation. With a competent pitcher, they would otherwise be easy wins.

140 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:30 pm

I like this "bench player who can hit a little bit" concept.

141 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:31 pm

as long as hinske is swinging the bat well - might as well use him at 3b on alex's rest days

142 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:32 pm

Sox going to Papelbon with a lead; TB and Texas winning two. The Yankees need this game.

143 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:32 pm

O'Neill and Coney are by far my favorites. I love what they bring to the booth. They're entertaining and they really add value with hard information.

144 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:32 pm

[141] Now you're just being silly.

145 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:33 pm

i really think i would go to the pen to start this inning

146 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:34 pm

[145] If only Rudolph were here!

I mean, if only Phil Hughes were here.

147 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:34 pm

[145] I would too...Melancon or Robertson to Aceves could be a formula that works.

148 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:35 pm

[141] Not if he plays 3B like he throws from RF...

Watching his "throw," I thought they put Damon over there tonight and he had a room service hop running towards the infield and everything!

: )

149 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:36 pm

welcome aboard davey!

150 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:36 pm

[145] Your wish is granted.

151 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:37 pm

[148] yeah i'm sure he is a disaster there - but might as well ride his bat - maybe play him during aj's starts - it's not as if cody's defense has been any revelation over there

152 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:38 pm

The Yankees could have really used a healthy IPK this season.

153 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:39 pm

[152] that's for damn sure - either on the big club or as a mlb ready trade chip

154 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:39 pm

nice pitch. great inning, kid! and only 7 pitches. : )

155 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:39 pm


: O

156 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:40 pm

Well done, Robertson.

I think I missed something. There was a grounder to Derek and then the strikeout. Where'd the third out come from?

157 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:40 pm

Credit to Girardi. He pulled the plug and let that sludge slide down the drain. Good, strong move.

158 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:41 pm

i really like roberstson (when he is throwing strikes) - he gets a ton of k's
they just have to continue working with him to throw more strikes

159 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:42 pm

[156] becham flied oyt to melky

160 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:42 pm

[156] beckham flied to center

161 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:42 pm

[159] i like my oyt grilled, thanks! ; )

162 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:43 pm

well battle of the bullpens now

163 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:43 pm

i betchya alex tries to steal...

164 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:44 pm

[161] if you don't even eat cupcakes i'm sure you don't eat oyt :}

165 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:44 pm

at least oyf can see that matsui can pop out to the opposite field

166 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:45 pm

nice! E6

167 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:45 pm

Ohhhh, yes!

Come on, boys, cash it in, cash it in!

168 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:45 pm

Must take advantage.

169 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:45 pm

Woohoo! Now make 'em pay!

170 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:46 pm

[164] oyt, oyf, oy-vey! yeah, my oyt would become an ort !!! : )

171 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:46 pm

as hard as jorgie tried the sox just didn't want to give him another dp

172 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:46 pm

[159] [160] Cheers. Totally missed that.

173 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:46 pm

[168] we won't.

174 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:46 pm

Come on Robbie!! That couldn't have been the pitch you were looking for?

175 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:47 pm

come on clutchy

176 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:47 pm

[161] Is that oyt from Manha'in, too?

: )

177 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:47 pm

That's right, big guy, throw it a hundred miles an hour!

178 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:47 pm

Apparently, the scouting report on the Yankees must be to throw hanging curve balls early in the count because that seems to be what every White Sox pitcher has featured over the past two games.

179 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:48 pm

Yeah, that's it!

Again, throw it as hard as you can!

180 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:48 pm

Oh, fuck me.

181 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:48 pm


182 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:48 pm

I don't like where this game is headed.

183 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:50 pm

[182] Won't it go to Cooperstown, like all the others?

: )

184 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:52 pm

Red Sox win.

185 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:52 pm

feh. i HATE when we give up leadoff walks. hate it.

186 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:52 pm

strikes - roberston - STRIKES!!!

187 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:52 pm

Leadoff walk...can't wait to see what comes next.

188 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:53 pm

[184] i HATE those three words.

189 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:53 pm

Biology and Einstein?

190 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:54 pm

So surely Mitre will be demoted after the game, but who will they call up in his place? Albie is stuck at AAA for 10 days, correct?

191 51cq24   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:54 pm

[189] no chemistry

192 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:54 pm


193 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:55 pm

"Just flicking the ball, like a cricket player."

That's right, Al, that's the stuff!

194 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:55 pm

Great...this weekend isn't starting off well.

195 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:56 pm

[190] I'd rather see Igawa than Mitre.

196 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:56 pm

Oh my God, that 1-1 was right down the pike.

Too close for comfort.

197 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:56 pm

[190] Jerry Hairston Jr.?

198 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:57 pm

Hey, John Sterling just called V. Martinez a "professional hitter!"

199 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:57 pm

How come they can hit the breaking stuff?

200 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:57 pm

fuck - i guess robertson was ongly good for 1 inning

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201 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:57 pm

fucking bollocks.

202 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:57 pm

That's just awful, awful pitch selection...why they would go offspeed when they had him beat with the fastball is beyond me. If the Yankees don't get their collective heads out of their asses, they'll be leaving Chicago in second place.

203 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:57 pm

[197] I would approve, but somehow I doubt they go with 11 pitchers, especially after the entire BP is blown up tonight.

204 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:58 pm

Man, that was a lucky break. Buy a beer for whoever told Cano to stand there.

205 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:59 pm

That breaking ball is like a big old lollypop.

206 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 9:59 pm

Help! Help!

Someone stop this madness.

207 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:00 pm

As good as Robertson can look at times, he simply has no command of his pitches. It really feels like a crapshoot with him.

208 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:01 pm

that was a lucky call

209 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:01 pm


Did he swing?


210 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:01 pm

robertson's really missing his spots. we'll be lucky if he keeps this a 1-run game.

211 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:01 pm

Thing was ten feet inside.

212 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:01 pm

Wow...that was an awful call.

213 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:02 pm

That's some fucking break. I can't believe they just took it lying down.

214 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:02 pm

[203] Well, they could call up Alby if there's an injury of some kind.

Or there's Edwar...

215 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:02 pm

[207] yep - until he improves his command he will never be an integral part of the pen

216 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:02 pm

This is not the best game to follow a day of inaction at the trade deadline.

217 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:03 pm


218 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:03 pm

Damn lead off walks.

219 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:04 pm

Kay said what I was going to post - that was a HUGE batter.

220 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:04 pm

whe - another 1 run inning that could have been way worse

time to pull the score truck out of the garage

221 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:04 pm

i wish Ace were available for the 6th & 7th...

we need some score truckin'...

222 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:04 pm

That called third strike was a strike on Gameday, fwiw.

223 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:04 pm

[214] Oh yeah, I forgot about Edwar. Or they would have to find an "injury" for Mitre, since teh recalled player can only replace the injured player.

224 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:05 pm

[220] great minds and all... : )

225 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:05 pm

I think Mitre will make his next start, vs Toronto.

[207] Not including tonight, Robertson has a better than 2:1 K:BB, 5th best among the relievers (Mo, Hughes, Aceves, and Coke are all better, Coke only slightly the others crazy) - but better than Pettitte, Burnett, and Joba. Not that K:BB is the end-all be-all determinant of command, but its a good indicator.

226 51cq24   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:06 pm

[222] looked like a strike to me, just a high one that's almost never called

227 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:07 pm

[225] You might be right. I hope not, but could be correct.

228 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:07 pm

[222] Gameday's smoking crack.

229 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:07 pm

aceves is available as he is up in the pen

230 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:07 pm

Nice Shriek !!!

231 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:07 pm

I love leadoff walks!

232 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:08 pm

[225] From Pete Abe: "Mitre has allowed 23 hits in 12.2 innings this season. "

Igawa could do that in his sleep!

233 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:09 pm

I *hate* Edwar. He's always a disaster waiting to happen.

234 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:09 pm

Pena looks like he'll walk the ballpark. I hope DJ shows some patience.

235 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:09 pm

Ace is up. hopefully he's not too rusty...or injured.

236 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:09 pm

[223] I don't think that's true. Any injury will do. It doesn't have to be a pitcher for a pitcher.

237 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:10 pm

Fuck. This. Shit.

238 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:10 pm

[234] Or maybe not.

239 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:10 pm

instead of observing you guys ,thought I'd jump in tonite. looks like the sox survived smoltz' start. need some hitting w/risp to make this a series.

240 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:10 pm

I've got the Toronto-Oakland game on in the background (on mute, so I can listen to the insight and excitement of Sterling/Waldman)...man, the stands in Oakland are empty.

241 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:11 pm

This is agony.

242 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:11 pm

ugh. terrible terrible terrible JD. terrible.

243 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:12 pm

A.J.=the most hated man in baseball?

244 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:12 pm

Now Damon goes way out of the zone...with a little patience, Pena looks like he would have walked the bases loaded. Somewhere on the way to Chicago I think the Yankees hit a time warp and went back to April.

245 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:12 pm

[225] his bb/9 is 5.5 - melancon's in 5.6 - no one else still around is that close to them (bruney at 4.5, aj 4.5)
i think is k/bb ratio is decent because of his strikeouts - he is the sizeable leader at 12.6 k/9

246 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:13 pm

Someone shoot me.

247 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:14 pm

[239] welcome - picked a frustrating game to join the fray

248 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:14 pm

Horrendous inning.

249 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:14 pm

[232] Which, by the way, says far more about the defense the Yanks are playing behind Mitre than it says anything about Mitre himself. Not counting tonight, Mitre's BABIP is a ridiculous .425. I imagine, after tonight, it went up. It won't stay that high.

[233] Ouch. I understand your sentiment (Edwar's K:BB, admittedly a small sample this year - 17 1/3 IP - is 16:15, or basically 1:1), but "hate" is a pretty strong word.

250 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:15 pm

[245] typo - bruney's bb/9 is 4.7

251 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:16 pm

[249] 425 is ridiculously high - but mitre is ridiculously hittable

252 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:16 pm

melky damn near ran to wrigley on that play

253 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:18 pm

Don't panic!

Yanks have best record in the AL.
Are in 1st place.
And are 11-3 since the All Star Break.

Oh yeah, they are down but 1 run, and have the best offense in the AL. In a hitters' park. Against a team with a very shaky bullpen.

[244] April? Are the Yanks not allowed to lose another game? Can't win 'em all, dude - and this one isn't anywhere near over!

254 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:19 pm

Like yesterday, if the Yankees use Ace for multi innings and lose, it will be a double whammy. That could leave them very short in the pen over the next two days. That's how losing streaks develop...by losing games you should win followed by ones you deserve to lose.

255 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:19 pm

[252] I know, I wonder what was up with Damon? Did he pull off because Melky had a better angle, or because Melky's less likely to drop the baseball?

256 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:19 pm

thanks ms. october. nice to see Aceves back on the mound.

257 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:20 pm

I think Bronson Arroyo's price went up tonight.

258 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:21 pm

[253] I'm not panicking or anything, but we lost yesterday. That was "you can't win 'em all." Today's *not* house money!

259 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:22 pm

[253] yeah, what he said!

[256] what's up, chris? welcome! : )

260 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:22 pm

Oh well...there goes our chance to hammer Pena.

261 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:22 pm

Hey, didn't we have Dotel for a month?

God, that was back in the Charlie Steiner days, wasn't it? Along with Raoul Mondesi? The dark ages.

262 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:23 pm

[236] You might be right, but he would have to replace the injured player...so they would have to DL someone and recall Albie, which still leaves them short if Mitre were sent down.

263 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:23 pm

[251] Sure he is, but when that BABIP comes down to .300ish, he'll be OK I think. After all, he's essentially the 5th starter, and to be a good one of those, the bar isn't high.

Excellent point on Robertson's walk rate, BTW ms october. I will say, though, that BB/PA is a better indicator than BB/9 - and that guys who strike out a lot of hitters do tend to have higher walk totals than non-strikeout pitchers. And Robertson's BB/PA is rather high. He only has 26 IP, though.

264 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:23 pm

[255] i don't think damon was ever really the primary fielder on that play

[257] randy you are killing us with bronson arroyo :}
i guess if the alternative is more mitre we should shut the hell up and welcome him though

265 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:23 pm

[251] I agree...Mitre deserves all the credit for his BABIP.

266 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:24 pm


267 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:24 pm

[258] Its ok to lose 2 in a row too, weeping. That happens to everybody. =)

268 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:24 pm

Welcome Chris!

: )

269 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:24 pm

[253] It's not a matter of losing...it's that they have now played 3 of 4 awful games. In another division, they could probably get a way with such lapses, but not in the AL East.

270 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:25 pm

DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

271 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:25 pm

fuck you, Hawk. (harrelson, not our own commenter Hawk!!!)

272 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:25 pm

Dotel was a lot more recent than Raul Mondesi. Dotel was 2006. Mondesi was 2002-2003.

273 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:25 pm

damn godzilla that was close

274 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:25 pm

[267] That's losertalk.

Oh, HEY!!!!!!!

Oh, motherfucker. Foul.

As I was saying, that's losertalk. You keep talking like that and I'm going to exhume the Bossman to come straighten you out.

275 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:25 pm

[265] william, that's just ridiculous. The whole point of a pitcher's BABIP is that he has no control over it! (Unless he's a knuckler, in which case he has a little control over it.)

276 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:27 pm

[272] It's all a blur to me, but now that you mention it, I can kind of sort it out.

277 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:27 pm

Matsui has two playoff homers in the Metrodome

278 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:27 pm

[253] I'm not panicking at all. But I am growing weary of them throwing really, really awful starters in the honorary Wang spot in the rotation.

Mitre's BABIP is a very high .415, but his BAA is .370. I'm not sure he's been more than a little unlucky--he's been very bad.

279 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:28 pm

[274] I'm too laid back for George, I'm sure. =)

[269] I'm pretty sure the Yanks have lost 3 out 4 more than once this year - and note they have NOT lost this game - and yet, here they are, in first place.

Now if they lose 10 or 12 in a row, then that's another story.

280 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:28 pm

Dotel getting some weak swings. Straighten it out Hideki!

281 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:28 pm

[275] I am not a slave to BABIP. If I took the mound and threw BP, my BABIP would be about .750. You have to take into account the kind of pitcher involved. Mitre has looked so bad that it doesn't surprise me has given up so many hits. That's not bad defense...it's bad pitching. Mitre will not revert to the mean of decent pitcher because he isn't one.

282 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:28 pm

C'mon Po!

283 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:29 pm

good - let's get it started with the walk
afterall someone has to walk over to the score truck

284 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:29 pm

damnit, jorgie.

285 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:29 pm

this hasn't been po's greatest night at the plate

286 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:29 pm

[278] Perhaps - but the guy also has thrown less innings than Wang has. Kinda silly to throw him away after less than 20 IP, no? The other option right now is Igawa, and I'm pretty sure none of us want to go down that road again. Poor Mattpat's head might explode.

287 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:29 pm

Turn on this motherfucker, Robbie. Hit it the fuck out.

288 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:29 pm

This game is wretched

289 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:30 pm

God damn it.

And fuck you, don't tell me to slow down, computerfuck!

290 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:30 pm

[279] Definitely laid back...I don't want to wait until they lose 10 of 12. When I see three games played so poorly, it concerns me.

At least Matsui decided to work the count at least.

291 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:31 pm

[286] Sidney Ponson is eventually going to be released after one of these debacles, and he's on schedule to start in five days

292 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:32 pm

shit right at him

[281] yeah i agree william. babip certainly is largely about luck or out of control factors, but not totally. babip is going to be higher for shitty pitchers. if you are getting hit hard consistently you are going to have a high babip that is not the fielders' fault.
just like not all babip for hitters is luck - if all you do is hit weak grounders and pop ups you are going to have a low babip. *ability* is part of the measure.

293 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:33 pm

[249] I love Edwar, but I hate watching him. I want him to do well in the worst way, but I stopped believing a long time ago.

Damn, it seems like everything has gone *just* wrong for us since the Ortiz news.

That Matsui bomb is seeming awful typical of the last two days, starting with Oakland coughing up the lead against the Red Sox.

294 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:34 pm

[289] yeah that shit just adds insult to injury

295 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:34 pm

[289] yeah, that word press shit is soooo infuriating.

296 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:35 pm

[294] again. superior minds... : )

297 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:35 pm

[294] Thank you! It most certainly does.

298 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:36 pm

[291] It's amazing that no matter what the Yankees do, they always wind up with a crappy fifth starter. That also happened quite a bit during the dynasty years.

299 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:36 pm

[263] thanks shaun - good stuff.
i just go to baseball refernce and i don't think they have k/pa

300 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:36 pm

[295] What say we think about staging a coup?

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301 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:36 pm

leadoff walk! aaarrrggghhh!!!! : /

302 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:36 pm

Oh, YES!

Lead off walk!

My favorite.

303 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:36 pm

Great...another leadoff walk. This game really sucks.

304 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:37 pm

This game feels like it's gone on forever.

305 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:37 pm

[293] Edwar is one of Brian Cashman's private jokes on me. Along with Veras, Igawa, Farnsworth, Betemit and countless others

306 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:37 pm

this fucking blows.

307 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:37 pm

Ace, still getting his feel back. F*ck AJ.

308 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:37 pm

The Yankees are just playing awful baseball against a .500 team.

309 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:38 pm

[275] By quick calculation, before tonight Mitre had allowed 41 BIP. A more normal BABIP of .300 would have yielded about 12 hits. If he had only given up 12 hits, his BAA would be a more reasonable .260 rather than his current silly .370.

So, on that count he does appear unlucky. But let's look closer at his numbers. His BABIP for fly balls is .000, and for ground balls it's only .308. For line drives it's 1.000. Moreover, he has given up line drives in about 25% of BIP.

In other words, has not been very unlucky on grounders and fly balls. Rather, he's giving up lots of line drives for hits.

310 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:38 pm

[300] i'm down - alittle anarchy might be just what we need

i think pj has riled up aj "pershithead" here

311 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:38 pm


I really don't want to lose this series.

Fuck, if we get swept by Boston again I'll jump off a building.

312 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:38 pm

if they score again, i'm changing the channel. fuck this noize.

313 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:38 pm

[305] I'm not sure at this point they can be called "private."

314 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:39 pm

The problem with spitting the bit in these two games is that leaves Buerhle on Sunday and Halladay on Tuesday...all leading into the Boston series.

315 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:39 pm

jesus h christ - need ace to round back into form

316 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm

[311] it is a 4-game series. so, if we lose tonight (shudder), we can still tie the series with a weekend of wins.

317 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm

OMG. wow!!! please don't be hurt!!!

318 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm

Jesus Christ

319 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm

holy hell what a catch - hope he is alright

320 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm

Wow...that's some play Johnny.

321 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm

Nice job, Johnny Damon.

322 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm

he held it enough to get the out! that's balls JD!

323 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm

I do not think Johnny is OK. That looks bad.

324 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:41 pm

for a second there when his hat came off i thought the ball had come out

325 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:41 pm

When hiscap came flying off, I thought it was the ball.

326 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:41 pm

Holy crap. Shelley Duncan might not be sent down tomorrow after all.

327 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:41 pm

these fly balls are really scary.

328 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:41 pm

Ok, time to get Ace out of there.

329 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:41 pm

Ace doing his Catfish Hunter.

330 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:41 pm

just about every hit off aceves is to the track

331 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:42 pm

[310] Don't blame me! I called him that because he was already riled up when he barreled into Cano on that slide trying to take out a knee breaking up that DP last night...

Atta boy Damon!

332 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:42 pm

mark kotsay is THE luckiest man on the planet. fuck him.

333 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:42 pm

It sounds like Aceves is using the w-h-o-l-e ballpark. It is Aceves pitching, no? I have only one ear on the game.

334 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:42 pm

Ace's BABIP on balls in play to the warning track is .000.

335 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:42 pm

[313] He never came out and admitted it.

336 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:43 pm

[334] How's that for redundant?

337 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:43 pm

ouch, jorgie. good god.

338 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:43 pm

[325] I thought it was the ball too

339 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:44 pm

[338] me too.

Ace is getting hit HARD.

340 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:44 pm

[336] ironic? ; )

341 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:45 pm

I thought he was going to run into the stands for that third out.

342 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:45 pm

that would have been a strike last night

343 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:46 pm

christ come one

344 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:46 pm

um, i just posted something twice. it won't appear and refreshes to the top of the page. hmmm....

345 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:46 pm

ughh, not even close. It feels like there's been bases loaded every other inning.

346 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:46 pm

Nibbling like that is not Aceves...Girardi has to see that, right?

347 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:46 pm

[343] one what? ; )

348 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:47 pm

I'm going to cover my eyes now. Let me know when I can look.

349 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:48 pm

[347] ... come all and get us out of this inning

350 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:48 pm

[347] I think she should leave it at that. Kind of philosophical.

351 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:48 pm

[348] definitely don't look

352 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:48 pm

So, how about that weather?

353 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:48 pm

That was the worst pitch I've ever seen in my life.


354 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:48 pm

[348] keep 'em covered.

i'm turning the game off.

fuck you, hawk!

355 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:48 pm

freaking reach and bloop

356 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:49 pm

Well, this is getting out of hand.

357 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:49 pm

Absolutely painful.

358 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:49 pm

This game has just ^%$WQ$# killed me. 0-2 count, bleep me, dang it, I am so frustrated right now I feel sick. Damn it.

359 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:49 pm

this is why there is beer. i'm on my first. many more to go...

360 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:50 pm

fucking ridiculous

361 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:50 pm

We're going to get swept by Boston.

362 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:50 pm

I'm not a violent person, but if I could reach through my TV and strangle that homer a-hole Hawk Harrelson right now, I would.

I forgot how awful he is. John Sterling, forgive me! I take it all back! There ARE worse broadcasters than you!

363 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:50 pm

Well, this is why we built a 3.5 game lead. So we could piss some of it away and still be in decent shape.

364 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:50 pm

[353] It was a good pitch. Low, 3 inches outside, They guy just hit it. It ain't always the pitchers fault.

365 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:50 pm

please tell me that did NOT just happen. there's NO way that just happened. this is a FIRST place team?! holy fucking bullshit!!!

366 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:51 pm

Jayson Nix steals home.

367 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:51 pm

[359] my poison is Oban tonite. And tunes on the headphones, only way.

368 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:51 pm

[362] i'm with you, man.

369 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:51 pm

I just want to throw my computer through the wall.

370 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:51 pm

I downloaded Super Mario Brothers 3 on my Wii. I'm inching towards that.

371 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:52 pm

is this a major league ballclub?

fuck you, hawk.

372 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:52 pm

now this is the bad news bears

373 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:52 pm

[361] Wrong color Sox, weeping. =)

That was a very nicely executed double steal. Ozzie is sharp. Or maybe its his bench coach. Who is the Sox's bench coach anyway?

I feel bad for Posada, he just can't catch anything tonight.

374 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:52 pm

And it gets worse...

375 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:52 pm

The Yankees are getting what they deserve in this game. The dismal effort they have put forth in 3 of the last 4 is shocking.

The worst part is all the warning signs on Ace were evident...the sirens were blaring...and Girardi ignored them all.

Wow...it gets worse...Posada's catching has descended toward brutal.

376 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:52 pm

Was Robby trying to throw his famous curve ball right there? Suck.

377 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:53 pm

Great game tonight, Jorge. Solid all around, Goodness, when he is bad, he is maddening.

378 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:53 pm

Oh. My. God.

[364] I guess I say that because Leiter was just talking about elevating, throwing over his head, or whatever, he had no need to be anywhere near the zone. The pitch was outside, but it looked belt high to me. It just shouldn't have been hittable on 0-2, after the change, is what Leiter was talking about.

379 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:53 pm

people sing that shit at a baseball game?!?
hawk must be involved in that ritual somehow

380 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:53 pm

[370] Hey, not a bad idea.

How is it, BTW, that the box score on WGN just showed the Yanks with NO errors? I count at least five.

381 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:54 pm

[379] No kidding.

382 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:54 pm

[379] I muted my TV. Do I even want to ask?

383 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:54 pm

gotta get a strong performance from our man burnett tomorrow

384 Shaun P.   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:55 pm

I am quite pleased that Girardi kept Melancon up. This kid is going to be something special, I hope. Might as well get him ready now.

385 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:55 pm

So, is Aceves unlucky, rusty, or "not right"? If he is "not right", maybe the best thing would have been to put him on the DL rather than carry a bunch of extra pitchers who never got used anyway?

Now, if they want to DL him he's lost for another 15 days.

386 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:55 pm

[384] Yep!

387 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:56 pm

[382] that nanana hey hey hey goodbye song
maybe i'm sheltered but i have never heard that at a basbeall stadium - just basketball arenas

388 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:56 pm

[383] Strong and long...the Yankees have blown through their bullpen in two losses.

389 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:56 pm

Aceves just needs work...or has he been worked too hard? He did have a lot of appearances before the break.

390 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:56 pm

[385] He looked fine for the first inning, but then just lost his location in the 2nd. He absoultely should have been lifted after the walk. It was obvious that he had no command.

391 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:57 pm

Waldman: "[Aceves] had been held out six days because of a 'tired arm.'"

They should have just DLed him retroactively. He'd only have been gone another week or so. Ah well.

392 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:58 pm

[391] the yankees continued refusal to dl people is maddening

393 OldYanksFan   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:59 pm

How many SBs do we have tonight? AJPs CS% is UNDER 10%!

394 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:59 pm

[392] Yes. It is my other pet peeve...has been since the Sheffield fiasco, at least.

395 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 10:59 pm

mercifully the 7th inning has ended

396 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:00 pm

If its any consolation, I'm sure Hairston will show up tomorrow, take Duncan's roster spot and get double Hinske's playing time

397 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:01 pm

[396] So long as he doesn't take any PT from Ransom...

; )

398 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:02 pm

The pitching was horrible, but the offense is on the hook too. The number of bad ABs were so numerous, you can't count them. Of course, the defense was pitiful too, as was Girardi's inaction in the 7th. In other words, it's been a team effort. That's comforting heading into a stretch of 8 tough games.

399 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:04 pm

That's what hitting all those home runs will get you, stupid swings. Thanks King of Queens.

400 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:04 pm

[398] Get it out of our system now

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401 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:04 pm

Par for the course.

402 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:05 pm

seriously, fuck you hawk. how do you have a job???

403 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:05 pm

Nice a Jeterian DP...the cherry on the top of a shitty game.

404 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:06 pm

[403] was only fitting - not much else left - maybe cokey giving up a hr to a lefty, swisher pinch hits and blunders on the basepaths

405 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:07 pm

It had the sizzle of inevitability right off the bat, didn't it?

406 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:08 pm

from 3-0 to 10-5 - bah

407 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:09 pm

[404] Or using Mo in the ninth to get some work??

Anyway, I turned the game off a few minutes ago. It'll be Jays-A's for the rest of the evening, I think....and perhaps some nice bourbon. Oh yes, and still checking in on the Banter.

408 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:10 pm

[407] Mmmm, bourbon.

409 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:11 pm

4 hits to that jack___. Perfect. That peroxide hair is just to tick off the rest of us even more.

410 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:11 pm

[404] I stopped watching. Has A-Rod, sitting breaking ball, stared at strike three fastball down the middle yet?


411 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:12 pm

[408] Yeah. I'm a huge fan of bourbon. Not so much for scotch, though...I guess I'm a philistine.

412 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:13 pm

least melancon is looking good

[470] [410] yeah haven't check these off this list yet

413 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:14 pm

The lesson from this game has to be a DFA for Mitre. Then, Cashman has to work the phones until his ears bleed. The Yankees have played 4 months without a 5th starter, so Cashman either has to get one asap or Hughes has to return to the rotation. Having guys like Sergio Mitre is absolutely unacceptable.

414 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:14 pm

[411] and i'm a peasant (as my grandpa used to say!). just beer for me. i wish i could "man up" and have a scotch - i love the way it smells - but my system can't handle it. beer only for me...

415 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:15 pm

[411] Indeed you are.

Mmmm, scotch.

416 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:16 pm

[414] Heh heh.

417 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:16 pm

[414] Hey, there's nothing wrong with beer. Try some bourbon on ice sometime...it's nice and sweet.

418 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:16 pm

as crappy as this game is, Damon's catch was unreal. i guess he's okay and he just got a hit, but i woulda taken him out. i hope he's truly alright. that play was teh awesome!

419 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:17 pm

[413] On this we definitely agree. They need to find someone to slot into the 5th hole, or bite the bullet and move Hughes into the rotation (or try, egads, to find a reliever or two to replace him in the BP).

420 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:17 pm

I probably shouldn't care about this game anymore, but why swing 1-0 when you are down 5?

421 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:17 pm

[418] It really was.

422 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:18 pm



423 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:18 pm

[417] yeah, my grandpa loved beer, too. but he fancied himself an "aristocrat" and liked martini's. he used to drink scotch (dewar's) in the winter, on ice. when i was a little boy, he'd let me drink the "scotch water" at the end, when the ice melted...

[410] and there's your A-Rod gaffe...

424 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:18 pm

rally? what? thanks arod.

425 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:18 pm

[413] Please don't give this man carte blanche to find "a pitcher"

He sucks at it.

426 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:18 pm

horrible baserunning - check

427 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:19 pm

We're going to get swept by Boston.

This really isn't funny.

428 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:19 pm

OK, the Yankees have done everything worng in this game. Girardi had better rip up the clubhouse because this isn't a loss...it's an embarrassing effort. The Yankees have simply not taken these two games seriously.

429 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:20 pm

[415] Scotch is alright, but I don't really have an appreciation. I like the smell of Scotch, but when it comes to flavor, I prefer the sweetness of bourbon, or even the sourness of Tennessee whiskey, to the smokiness of Scotch.

On the other hand, I kill for a good grappa.

430 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:21 pm

Nice...Matsui swinging at a 3-1 above his head. If they wanted to quit, why not walk off the field in the 7th?

431 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:21 pm

[428] after he blasts them they should have to watch this mess on the chicago feed

432 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:21 pm

[429] Mmmm, grappa!

Limoncello's delicious, too.

433 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:21 pm

[431] Yes!

434 Just Fair   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:21 pm

Picked a good game for a long time friend to be in town. Watching x-games crashes and the Yankees game side by side at the bar was a nice distration for how shitty a game this was. booooooooo
PS put down the scotch and bourbon and support wine from the Finger Lakes Region : D

435 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:22 pm

So let's add this up:

By tomorrow, we'll learn that Damon is day to day with a busted shoulder that is balky for the rest of the year. Aceves is a mess. Bruney had his worst outing yet the last game against the Rays. Boston just got Victor Martinez for a guy who's mediocre at best, a guy who could be anything or nothing at all and junk, and we got Jerry Hairston Jr. We have no fifth starter and when Joba reaches the innings limit, what the heck do we have for a 4th starter?

Who knows what Gardner's deal is.


And there's a bunch of a-holes next to the broadcast mic who won't shut the heck up. And A Rod just got thrown out stretching down five runs.

436 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:22 pm

[429] grappa = grandpa ?!

if so, i'd kill to have mine back. but i had him for 35 years and he was the GREATEST grandpa any kid could ever have. ever ever. there is a giant hole in my soul that will NEVER heal. ever ever...

437 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:22 pm

[423] That's awesome. My dad used to "split a drink" with me when I was little-give me the melted ice-booze water at the bottom of the drink or the foam at the bottom of a beer. They'd haul him away now, but I'm not convinced that this sort of acculturation is wrong. Anyway...

438 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:22 pm

Maybe Jorge can hit into a DP here.

439 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:23 pm

[434] Like Bully Hill? "They didn't get his goat."

440 chrismarz   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:23 pm

that's a wrap. poor effort tonight, let's hope for the split. To the Tivo for some Simpsons, thanks for having me y'all.

441 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:24 pm

I really hope there is a very strong, angry reaction in this clubhouse, and not the shoulder shrugs that defined the early part of the season. If there is any acceptance of this kind of effort, the next week is going to be brutal.

442 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:24 pm

[432] ah, it IS a drink. yeah, i know NOTHING about hard alcohol. i have a buddy who's a Jim Beam drinker (grumbling voice: gimme a Beam & Water, tall, hold the water!) - he used to try and teach me the differences between scotch, bourbon and whiskey. i never got it...

443 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:24 pm

[435] Yup, that's about the size of it, all right.

444 monkeypants   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:24 pm

[436] No, grappa is technically a brandy--it's really just firewater made by fermenting and distilling the pressed grapes and stems leftover from wine making. It's an Italian thing, but similar to French eau-de-vie or real German schnapps (like kirschwasser)

445 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:24 pm

[440] enjoy! nice to see you, come back anytime! hope to see ya soon...

446 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:25 pm

Sorry for being so negative tonight. My back hurts and now, after this game, my stomach hurts. The neighbors are undoubtedly not happy, as there was yelling. Just not good all around.

447 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:25 pm

[444] waaaay above my head! either way, enjoy it! i'm enjoying a Sierra and gonna watch some old csi's w/ emily procter!!! : )

448 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:26 pm

[442] :)

449 ms october   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:26 pm

[437] my dad used to give me the cherry from his manhattans when i was a kid.

[435] got that side of things about covered.

450 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:26 pm

[446] can't be as bad as my neighbors! or chyll will's!!! : ~

451 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:28 pm

Well then.

452 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:28 pm

[447] I'm going for a Magic Hat #9, myself. Time to drown my sorrows.

And I'm with William, I want to see rage and blood and fire-breathing defiance. I'd love it if Joe would throw something hard at the wall to make a point as he's fielding questions.

(I really would!)

453 jjmerlock   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:31 pm

[450] I meant there was yelling coming from my apartment. Loud, uncontrolled yelling. Unpleasant, something had a sharp stick stuck right in its belly howling. And I'm afraid that last night there may have been a few outbursts.

That sort of thing can lead to a letter from management.

So I've got that going for me.

454 PJ   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:35 pm

I feel very badly for Joe Girardi coming home to Chicago, especially through these two crapfests by his players to start the series. While he gets to visit with his family and all, that also includes his father, who has Alzheimer's disease.

That has got to be incredibly difficult for him... or anyone else dealing with that, including his dad.

My grandmother had dementia during the last few years of her life, but she lived to be 92.

Hopefully, they have him on a routine of watching the games every day, so he can see his son and remember...

I just thought I'd mention that, because I think it's important in the grand scheme of things.

Losing baseball games is never as bad as that.

455 randym77   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:37 pm

Free Kei Igawa?

456 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:37 pm

My Cashman senses are tingling. I get this awful migraine whenever I sense we're about to start one of his awful blood from a stone experiments, and tonight's debacle did not help anything.

457 williamnyy23   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:39 pm

[456] Could it be worse than Mitre?

458 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:39 pm

[453] i hear ya, man! i wish the management here would do a better job enforcing the quiet hours and such. i put in a formal complaint last night. i'm sure you're outbursts are tolerable (and understandable!) and it's also not too long-lasting or late. i have pure evil below me, though last nite was alright and tonight, so far, is too...

459 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:39 pm

[455] There they go again.

460 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:41 pm

[454] my grandpa made it to almost 97. he had EVERY one of his faculties! at the end, he waited for me to fly up to NY and said to me *exactly* what he needed to say. he knew everything and everyone that was going on around him. he was always forever, and i truly thought he'd be here for all eternity. i still can't fathom that he's not here. i just don't get...

461 thelarmis   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:42 pm

[460] just don't get it...

462 Mattpat11   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:42 pm

[457] They went off a month ago when he first mentioned Mitre's name in Atlanta.

I'm just terrified at what he'll come up with, because he always finds the worst possible option and we then sit around for weeks on end pretending its working.

Also, Sidney Ponson is on schedule to take Mitre's next start, and so that just exacerbates things.

463 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:42 pm

Here's Joe...

464 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:44 pm

Girardi's most upset about the 0-2 hit in the seventh.

465 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Jul 31, 2009 11:46 pm

Re: Mitre: "Well, I'm not sure we have a lot of options at this point, so he's going to have to get it done for us."

466 monkeypants   ~  Aug 1, 2009 12:07 am

[465] I know I post on this a lot...to the point of angering some other folks here...but it absolutely boggles my mind the sequence of events that took Hughes out of the rotation seemingly for good this year. Every time something happened, the first line was always something like "and he'll be the first one back in the rotation the next time there is an injury," and yet he kept getting passed over and passed over until we have reached a point where the manager claims in exasperated tones that they have "no other options."

Mind boggling.

River Ave Blues ran a statistical-analytical article a couple weeks back or so back, which showed that mediocre Hughes (assuming that he would continue to pitch at a 5+ ERA for the rest of the season) was STILL more valuable to the team than lights out Hughes (basically being un-hittable sub 1.00 ERA as a reliever), largely because of the total # of innings he had thrown as a starter. Obviously, the more he adds inning sin the pen, sooner or later his value as a reliever will outweigh his value as a starter. But their analysis also underscores how important innings are to the value of a pitcher. I would rather have Hughes going five or six every five games, than one inning a few times a week.

And especially when the alternative is Mitre and his 7.00+ ERA, or picking up another Ponson-type cast-off.

OK, I'm done now.

467 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Aug 1, 2009 12:14 am

[466] Points very well taken.

468 Rich   ~  Aug 1, 2009 12:15 am

Can someone explain why Girardi tried to pretend that Aceves was effective when it was obvious that he had nothing?

469 Rich   ~  Aug 1, 2009 12:16 am

[466] That's not why you anger people...

470 monkeypants   ~  Aug 1, 2009 12:23 am

[466] In fairness, I will retract part of this--

I cannot for the life of me find that damned article on River Ave Blue or RLYW...and I *know* I saw it someplace. Anyway, it's not fair for me to cite something without providing a link. Grrrr.

471 monkeypants   ~  Aug 1, 2009 12:42 am

Jesus Montero continues to rock in Trenton...that's something to brighten up the evening!

472 thelarmis   ~  Aug 1, 2009 1:05 am

cliff lee, brilliant in his Philthy debut. here's what i hate - his record now: 1-0. why in the goddamn fuck do his stats have to start all over???? esp. w/ interleague play in existence?!?! total bollocks!!!

473 monkeypants   ~  Aug 1, 2009 1:15 am

[472] Still up, dude?

474 Rich   ~  Aug 1, 2009 1:38 am

btw, [469] was sarcasm.

475 monkeypants   ~  Aug 1, 2009 1:42 am

[474] No problem either way. I'm pretty sure I have the capacity to grate on folks. At least my wife seems to think so! ; )

Man, long & stinky game, trade deadline day, and Friday night seem to have combined to knock the wind out the Banter's sails. Things died off here in a hurry.

Should be some interesting discussions tomorrow.

476 Rich   ~  Aug 1, 2009 1:46 am

[475] No, it was.

I wasn't expecting anything at the trading deadline because most their higher level pitching prospects are hurt, and whether people want to believe it or not, they actually appear to have a budget.

477 monkeypants   ~  Aug 1, 2009 1:52 am

[476] I think you're right about the budget...and they have been at or near that budget for a couple of years now. Even with their big splash 400 MILLION DOLLAR OFFSEASON, most everyone seems to ignore that the payroll is almost exactly the same this year.

I'm still surprised they didn't make the obligatory move for an extra BP arm. Even if we forget about moving Hughes to the rotation, there has to be some concern about Bruney's and Albie's problems, and perhaps more importantly, Aceves' 'tired arm.'

478 monkeypants   ~  Aug 1, 2009 1:57 am

Interesting. Sportsnet.ca poll: are you disappointed that Halladay was not traded.

26% Yes
745 No

I don't know Ricciardi should have made a deal or not, but folks up here would have been very disappointed at losing Doc. We'll see how this plays out in the offsa]eason and next year.

479 thelarmis   ~  Aug 1, 2009 4:15 am

[474] oh good, thanks for clarifying!

[473] oh, hell yeah! still up, even now!!! it's super quiet downstairs too, so hopefully i'll get a full sleep! my gig is an hour and a half away tomorrow. hopefully, i'll speak with Cult on the phone, whilst in the car, and catch him up on all the goings on.

my dumbass thought we were only a .5 game up, but it's still 1.5, which is, at least, better. lets just hope we split this series. a split, is the best we can hope for the 2 game series w/ toronto right after this, with Doc throwing the first game, then it would really behoove us to just freaking win all 3 against the goddamn shit sox. fuck that entire organization. i really do wish they'd just be contracted. fuck the rivalry, fuck it all. i HATE every last detail about those motherfuckers.

480 thelarmis   ~  Aug 1, 2009 4:50 am

[479] i had to open up my big mouth. noise started PAST 4:30 am!!! how does that even happen??? it's not terrible, so hopefully sleep is in the picture. here i go...

just caught up on the latest baseball news from mlb trade rumors, jayson stark, etc...

481 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 1, 2009 5:16 am

I'm going crazy. I don't understand who is in our rotation. If Hughes and Joba don't trade places once Joba hits his innings limit and we somehow make the playoffs, or by some miracle actually advance a round, who the heck is our starting rotation for a playoff series?

CC (who doesn't exactly have a blemish free postseason resume), AJ and then what?

Look at some of the other staffs we might face. Pettitte as a Game 3 against a legit stud? And then what in a Game 4?

I am baffled by this whole thing.

The fact that Bruney will probably not be fixable is devastating. He was so filthy before he got hurt.

And now Aceves has me worried. And Martinez makes the hypocredsox stronger, whether we like it or not.

482 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 1, 2009 7:20 am

Yuck..what a mess of a game to come home and read about, kind of glad I missed it..a day spent out wandering Tokyo sure beats losing to the ChiSox and listening to Hawk Harrleson for ecen one inning! We'll get 'em tomorrow, Let's Go Yankees!! And welcome to the new Banterites!

483 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 1, 2009 7:36 am

Sweet Baby Jayzuz, what the hell is going on in Cleveland?? They gave up Victor Martinez and didn't get back either Bucholz OR Daniel Bard??? And they gave away Cliff Lee when he was reasonably signed for next year!!

484 seamus   ~  Aug 1, 2009 9:40 am

[466] Fyi, I don't mind that you discuss it, it is the tone and repetitiveness that bugs. Particularly when you imply that anyone who disagree with you must be a complete idiot. I haven't seen River Ave Blues analysis but I'd be skeptical that a large quantity of low leverage innings would be better than the high leverage innings he has been throwing in. Particularly when you consider replacement values. There is no question that in a vacuum a starting pitcher is considered more valuable (though I think the metrics do a poor job of measuring reliever value), but this team doesn't operate in a vacuum. I'll check it out when I get home. On the road right now...

485 monkeypants   ~  Aug 1, 2009 10:17 am

[484] See [470].

Keep in mind that not all of his relief innings have been high leverage (though many have), and not all starter innings are low leverage (though many are).

Your reference to replacement value is intriguing, and I have thought about this a good deal lately. The common assumption seems to be that it is 1) easy to find a mediocre #5 starter and 2) hard to find a great late inning guy.

Yet I think this season has shown just how hard it is to find even a subpar #5 guy (Hughes had been the best of the lot by far, and now apparently there are no other options to Mitre). As for the replacement level for a late inning reliever, I would counter that 1] the worth of teh 8th inning guy is greatly overvalued, and 2] even Wang pitched well in relief (Super-small-sample size). It is far, far easier to mix and match relievers and play the hot hand and stumble on this year's version Brian Bruney 2008, than it is to find a solid starting pitcher.

I'm pretty certain that much of Hughes' value as a reliver can be replaced (plus, really, he's not going to continue t have the crazy success he's had so far...his last two outings have been difficult.

Anyway, we'll see!

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