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Two, Three…Break

After today’s game, the Yanks are done with the Angels and the west coast for now. 

AJ looks to put together another solid start.


Hell with the beach balls, let’s go Yan-Kees.

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1 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:03 pm

Posada's x-ray's negative...so thats a good thing

2 Sliced Bread   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:07 pm

gonna be a hot one. Low to mid 90's in Anaheim, which will feel more like 100 when you factor in Shelley Duncan's ferocity.

3 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:09 pm

Is this lineup serious? Melky, Gardner, Hairston AND Duncan all in the same lineup...before an off day? Girardi is awful. I actually miss Torre now. At least his house money lineups came after the team won two games in a series...not one.

4 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:10 pm

[3] torre would never rest his most important/fragile players the day after clinching a playoff spot and basically home field throughout the playoffs. because he knows mets fans!!

5 ms october   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:11 pm

[3] there are 5 words i never thought i would hear :}

according to petey swisher and po fouled ball off their leg and toe repsectively

6 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:12 pm

[3] I really don't have a problem with it.

Posada had to have his x-ray's, so he's obviously a no-go for today. Swisher banged one off his knee last night, but could PH.

as for A-Rod, you could probably go either way, but you have a chance here to give him 2 days off before the Boston series...its not outlandish to give it to him.

7 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:17 pm

[3] My only problem is Hairston hitting second. Why not lead off Gardy and hit Jeter second? Or just hit Cano second -- he is hitting over .300, after all?

8 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:19 pm

[3] Can you at least wait until the game starts before you start to panic? :)

9 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:19 pm

I have a question.
Assuming you have to give each player a fixed number of days off (maybe different numbers for different players), is it better to give them different days off, or to bunch up and give them the same day off (as Girardi has done today)?
This is not obvious to me. Each substitute of an inferior player for a superior one decreases the team's chance of winning. If that decrease is itself fixed (that is, if subbing Hairston for A-Rod drops the winning chance by 3.5% or something), then it doesn't matter whether you bunch them or spread them out.

My hunch here is that it doesn't matter much. My secondary hunch is that for a very good team, it's slightly better to spread them out, while for a bad team it's slightly better to bunch them.

10 Yankee Mama   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:27 pm

Why is Damon out of the line-up? Is it his numbers against Kazmir?

If Torre were managing today, the starting line-up might (or not) have been different, but I can assure you, by the time he started managing the pen, you would be agonizing. Paul Quantrill anyone?

11 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:27 pm

[9] i agree with your secondary hunch. but if you only have 2 or 3 good hitters in your lineup and each has to be rested from time to time, it might be best to bunch up. of course it would depend on what kind of hitters they are, the opposing pitcher, etc.

12 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:29 pm

[11] Why (bunch up)?
Oh, because they have synchronicity -- esp. if, say, one of them is your best OBP guy and the other your best SLG guy. Yep, that's right.

This makes me want to use the Lineup Analysis Tool on today's bunch... back shortly.

13 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:30 pm


You mean like the 2009 Mets?

14 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:38 pm

Here's what David Pinto's lineup analysis tool says. (I used career numbers for Duncan because his sample size this year is minuscule.)


Hairston slugs better than I thought (.409), but I still can't see why he's in the 3 hole. It's 'robust', too -- more than half of the top thirty run-producing lineups have Hairston batting third.

Other comments:
As you might expect, this bunch of guys is much worse than our usual bunch -- a whole run less in expected runnage.
As usual, fiddling with the lineup doesn't produce much variance; e.g. the actual lineup is only .15 runs worse than the "ideal" one.

You can check out the results here.

15 Yankee Mama   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:38 pm

I'm forced to listen to John and Suzyn today. I'm looking to you to tell me the truth.

16 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:42 pm

[14] Well, I think that tells you all you need to know about the utter stupidity of the David Pinto lineup analysis tool.

17 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:44 pm

that 2-2 pitch was down the middle

18 Chyll Will   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:45 pm

[13] Ouch. That wasn't rest, that was a medically-induced coma...

19 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:45 pm

[16] Hm, no, I would have to disagree with you there. Obviously, it defies conventional wisdom, but it's pretty well known that lineup optimization does defy conventional wisdom.

I posted a bit about this a few days ago so I won't go over it again, but I do think there's one problem with the lineup tool. I checked with Pinto who agreed, but he added that his algorithm is actually very accurate in predicting runs-scored.

20 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:45 pm

[16] Given that it has Molina batting 8th, probably not.

21 Chyll Will   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:47 pm

[15] I repeat [18]...

22 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:47 pm

[19] what's the one problem you see? even if you repeat yourself it's more interesting than debating whether girardi is going to sabotage his 100 win team.

23 thelarmis   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:49 pm

[15] i'm listening to Dave Weckl !!! : )

24 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:49 pm

[20] You mean, instead of ninth? Apparently it actually does make sense to treat your #9 batter as a kind of "second leadoff". Doesn't some NL manager do this occasionally?

25 Yankee Mama   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:50 pm

[21] LOL

Sterling said that Bobby Abreu made two plays in RF. Turns out it was Gary Matthew Jr. it's going to be a long afternoon.


26 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:52 pm

[22] Oh, okay, briefly:

The algorithm treats each slot independently. So, it assumes that adding 50 points of SLG in the clean-up spot adds a certain number of expected runs, no matter how good at getting on base the guys in the 1, 2, and 3 slots are. This is patently unrealistic, and when you're trying to *optimize* a lineup I'd expect it would be a significant problem.
Clear? (That is, clear what I think the problem is?)

27 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:52 pm

[24] it seems sensible to me. the difference between at bats per game is so minimal that it seems more important to have your better hitter hitting closer to the other good hitters. it doesn't really make sense to load up the front of the lineup with all your best hitting and then let your worst hitter hit right before it most of the time.

28 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:52 pm

[4] Right, I forgot. It's over. Why even bother to play the games. That's mindset screams winning.

29 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:53 pm

[8] It's not panic...it's pointing out foolishness before it becomes a second guess.

30 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:53 pm

[26] yes. that's what i was wondering when i quickly looked at your link- whether it knows enough to treat it as a lineup or as just a listing of players.

31 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:54 pm

[29] you...second guess?? surely you jest, good sir!

32 Emma Span   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:55 pm

Hey gang. Yes, the lineup is... less than ideal. But on the other hand, if they manage to win today, think what a confidence boost THAT would be.

33 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:55 pm

[31] Never...if I don't first guess, I don't criticize after the fact.

34 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:57 pm

[32] that's a joke, but the flip side is that losing again in anaheim with all your best players in might be a little depressing after last night. not that i think that would matter, and if the game was actually important you'd have to play them.

35 ms october   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:57 pm

[24] tlr does it.

[26] so it basically runs independent probabilities
i think there is another problem too but i need to think of how to articulate it

36 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:57 pm

[33] hey didn't you want girardi as much as anyone? second-guesser!!

37 Yankee Mama   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:58 pm

[32] It couldn't be any worse than what they usually do at that stadium. Maybe Hairston and Duncan are immune to the Angels' curse.

38 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 23, 2009 3:59 pm

[36] Actually, I posted that the Yankees should have had a much more lengthy interview process, but did think he would be a refreshing change based on his YES work. I, like the Yankees, couldn't have been more wrong.

39 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:02 pm

[30] Well, I'm not sure what you mean. It has for each lineup position a particular coefficient for SLG and a particular coefficient for OBP. (The point of developing the algorithm was to try to find out which of these was more important and how much, and in the course of the investigation the researchers realized that of course, this would probably depend on where the guy was batting in the lineup.) But the coefficients are fixed and do not change depending on who else is batting.

[35] Yes, or really not probabilities at all, just "run producing" values.

40 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:05 pm

[39] that is what i mean. it can list players based on their numbers but can't adjust to the entire lineup altogether. but maybe it just doesn't consider enough stats.

41 ms october   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:06 pm

[39] thanks - probabilities wasn't the right word, but i couldn't think of how to phrase it

42 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:08 pm

[40] If you come up with a good way to take the "interaction" into account, let me know. Pinto might be interested.
I guess the problem is that his current one is based on an algorithm that's been tested and found to give good predictions of total runs (for a season), so until someone does quite a bit of work with a new idea it won't make sense to replace it.

43 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:10 pm

I thought Shelley was going to go right through the wall.

44 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:14 pm

[42] well i mean i definitely think there are other factors that need to go into a determination of batting order. some are stats like stolen bases, batting average and strikeouts, and some are just qualities like speed. if a model could include all the important factors, then it should be able to put each player in the most appropriate slot, and that itself would account for how they interact with one another, right?

45 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:16 pm

[24] I'm just addressing a.O idea "about the utter stupidity of the David Pinto lineup analysis tool."

46 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:16 pm

Burnett K's the side.

47 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:18 pm

Definitely right about SB and stuff like that. The algorithm ignores those things.

But the whole point of the analysis is to figure out which is the most appropriate slot for each batter. And the problem is that you just can't do that in the "independent" way, no matter how much individual data you put it. You have to have some part of the algorithm look at the interactions among the different guys in the lineup.
Ideally you want to run a huge number of simulations with each possible lineup. But to do this for thousands of different lineups (to find the best one) requires enormous computing power, unrealistic. Some people have done it, but for the online tool it's not feasible.

48 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:19 pm

[45] Yeah, after I hit SEND I realized that was probably what you meant.

Jesus H Christ that dude can fly.

49 thelarmis   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:23 pm

[48] why hasn't he flown to 3rd yet?! ; )

50 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:23 pm

[47] right, but it should be pretty close because it's slotting each into the position it thinks is best, and has to consider them all for each slot. so the more relevant stats you put in, the closer it should be. but then you have to figure out what is ideal for each slot considering all those factors.

51 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:23 pm

[47] I can see ignoring SB; I don't think there's a correlation between SB & runs scored.

Ideally you want to run a huge number of simulations with each possible lineup. But to do this for thousands of different lineups (to find the best one) requires enormous computing power, unrealistic.

Chances are it would just spit out '42'


52 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:26 pm

Guess Gardner couldn't read Kazmir's move?

53 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:27 pm

[50] ok but don't you think that stolen bases must make a difference in determining where a hitter should bat?

54 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:27 pm


55 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:33 pm

I see, like doing successive approximations. Yes, that should probably improve the optimization.

I have to go. Go Yanks!

56 Yankster   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:35 pm

[51] nice.

57 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:43 pm

[53] It might, but probably not much. It seems to me that if a guy is really good at SB, the he will be so no matter where he bats. Also, when he steals, subsequent batters wherever in the lineup will benefit from him standing on 2B or 3B.

I guess one could argue that it is more worth it for high SB guys to bat nearer the bottom of the lineup, so he can "create" runs at the bottom of the order. But if he is a high OBP guy, you would rather have him batter at the top of the lineup.

58 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:45 pm

Why did Tex try to go home? I like the aggressive play (I think), but not the result.

59 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:47 pm

[58] Didn't Thomson send him? I didn't really look closely at the replay.

60 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:48 pm

[53] SB's are part of it. Is my SB guy a high OBP guy? Is he a high SLG guy? High BA? Otis Nixon, Barry Bonds, Rickey Henderson stole a lot of bases, but each batted different places in the order.

61 ms october   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:48 pm

is there a better phrase than "in play run(s)" to see on the computer (of course only when the yanks are batting)?

62 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:49 pm

[58] Don't know, stuck "watching" Yahoo!'s box score updates (can't get Gameday to load up for some reason . . .) - I was hoping one of you folks in front of the TV could tell me!

As for this crappy "house money lineup" - the Yanks are doomed, doomed I tell you! /sarcasm

63 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:50 pm

[61] Beast Commercial?

64 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:52 pm

[62] He broke back to 2B because he thought the 3B would catch the ball, but I didn't notice when he rounded the back whether he was sent or when on his own.

65 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:54 pm

61 "Your Company announces 3 for 1 stock split plus $10 dividend per share post split."

Just saying. Runs are nice too.

66 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:54 pm

65 should say "Yankee runs are nice too."

67 ms october   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:55 pm

[63] ah yes, beast commercial - that is quite a phrase
i am glad you appreciate it as much as i do

68 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 4:56 pm

BTW Pete Abe says Thompson sent him, and he was right even if it didn't work out.

69 ms october   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:01 pm

[65] yeah i could see that being nice too - you never see that in the types of places i work though :~

[68] i am definitely willing to give thomson the benefit of the doubt

70 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:02 pm

[57] [60] stolen bases are just one factor. if a guy is good at stealing bases, it might be best for him to bat in front of good contact hitters who can drive him in from 2nd. i doubt it would be best for him to steal in front of bad hitters, since he can't really steal home.

71 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:02 pm

is anyone else stuck on some commercial for the last 10 minutes?

72 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:06 pm

[64] Thank you! I guess sometimes the Score Truck stalls.

73 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:06 pm

Burentt K's the side for second time today.

74 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:07 pm

[70] Ah, but one could argue that you *don't* want to steal in front of good hitters for fear of taking the bat out their hands. Meanwhile, stealing in front of bad hitters might lead to situations where you can score without a hit. Also, you would not want to put your speed guy behind a high OBP guy, since the latter will "clog the bases" with walks.

Overall, I suspect that speed is far less important than OBP and SLG, though it surely must factor in somehow.

75 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:08 pm

I'd really like for Jeter to finish the year with an OBP above 400.

76 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:09 pm

That's not going to help, but he's on.

77 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:11 pm

[70] That's my point, that stolen bases are just one factor.

78 Paul   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:18 pm

Wow, so great to see the split squad beating Kazmir. Girardi is a genius.

Can't wait for the Yanks to clinch this weekend.

79 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:18 pm

Just home to see 3-0 score. Sweet. Roll on AJ. (Though I can't figure why Scioscia is mailing it in when his team still has a chance for home field advantage) : O

80 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:20 pm

79 That chance was a whopping 7-8% chance. Wasn't going to happen after last night's loss.

81 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:21 pm

F$%& You! CHOAD!

82 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:22 pm

Don't look now, but here come the Halos...

83 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:26 pm

Only 1 run? That'll work...

84 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:26 pm

Cano made a real nice play. To his left no less.
[80] Oh I know. I was only kidding. I try to stay off the panic train. Too much stress. : )
3-1 beats 3-2.

85 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:33 pm

[84] Yep. The Panic Train and Score Train definitely take you in opposite directions.

86 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:36 pm

[85] I prefer the dining car on the Score Train, to that on the Panic Train - the food and drink are much more satisfying.

87 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:41 pm

[85] Not to mention they're alway running late b/c the conductors are constantly getting fired.

88 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:44 pm

Hi. I'm back.
Excellent Truckin' without me. (I was John&Suzyning at the time.)

89 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:45 pm

Wow, Kaz has thrown 112 pitches. (I was begging John to check and tell me, but he didn't.) He must be done, no?

90 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:49 pm

That was Swisheresque by Duncan :-(

91 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:50 pm

Sarge Jr: .245, (.330/.352)


92 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:51 pm

[90] Ah, that explains it then

93 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:51 pm

0-2 bombs are anti-good. AAAA call-ups in the right field sun are also not so pretty.

94 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:52 pm

Does anyone know whether Freddy Guzman is a good OF? If he is, what about using him as a Defensive Replacement?

95 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:53 pm

[94] If that's the case, that may come in the next couple of innings.

96 Paul   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:54 pm

5.2 is not getting the job done. Good for Girardi pulling him. Same problem as last night. Who should pitch now?

97 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:54 pm

90 I just hope Shelley actually hurt LALA's field when he landed on it.

98 Hank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:54 pm

Hey all... I've got my students writing essays, so I thought I'd check how things are going. For anyone watching, was Burnett really as dominant as the stat line suggests?

99 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:55 pm

If CHOAD doesn't come through here I am going to have to find a hat to eat.

100 Paul   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:55 pm

Marte only throws 91?

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101 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:55 pm

Was Burnett rattled on that walk to Napoli? Out of gas? 101 pitches seem a bit short.

102 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:56 pm

I like seeing Marte in this high stress outing. We'll see if he really is ready for the PS.

103 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:56 pm

Just once I'd like to see Rivera in this type of situation.

104 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:56 pm

Hats. mmmmmmmmm................

105 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:56 pm

[98] He really was excellent for the part I saw, yes. Oddly he often got behind and then came back to get batters. When he got ahead, he was dominant.

[99] Catch this derby...

106 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:57 pm

[101] My hunch here is that Girardi thought, "Chone Figgins vs. AJ, not a good idea..." (Chone was 3-for-3, in case you hadn't noticed.)

107 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:57 pm

Was that hit hard or was it a routine out?

108 Paul   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:59 pm

[103] If he pitches for another decade, who knows!?

109 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 5:59 pm

Now, this cries out for a PH, no? I guess Molina's arm is too valuable.

110 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:00 pm

[103] Wow, you're right, that's a 2.9 leverage situation! I wouldn't have guessed that. (I dare to mention this because William isn't around...)

111 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:00 pm

108 It's a possibility. I think his location and movement are much more important than his speed.

112 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:00 pm

[103] I agree. It's too bad that managers forgot how to do that sometime in the 1980s.

113 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:02 pm

[100] Yes, that's about right, Marte sits low 90's.

114 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:02 pm

[112] That was before MLB noticed that the best relief pitcher is the closer. Now we understand this simple fact and it has simplified many complex situations into simple pie.

115 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:03 pm

Who drives the score truck? Can you tell them to make a delivery in Anaheim, now?

116 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:03 pm

Aha, they had to save the PH for Hairston, who apparently is having a stroke or something.

117 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:04 pm

Oy. THey're taking Hairston out of his ab due to some injury. Hand or wrist maybe. Here comes Pena.

118 The Hawk   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:04 pm

How many pitches was AJ at? Seemed like a quick hook kind of.

I decided I love Burnett. It's just such a wacky ride with him, you never know what's going to happen, except that it could be an extreme case, whatever the outcome.

119 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:04 pm

[114] Hmmmmm...I like simple pie.

120 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:05 pm

[116] Yes, Joe was saving the awesome power of Pena.

121 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:05 pm

[118] He was at 101 pitches

122 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:06 pm


I would prefer Panda Power (Pablo Sandoval)

123 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:06 pm

[118] He's like the little girl with the curl. (ducking AND running)

124 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:06 pm

[118] See [106].

125 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:07 pm

Wow ... Michael Kay pulling out the Eartha Kitt "Catwoman" reference ... she was only Catwoman for 2 episodes of "Batman" (Julie Newmar was the usual portrayer)

126 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:08 pm

What happened to Hairston?

127 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:08 pm

Impressive...Peña was late on a hanging breaking ball.

128 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:08 pm

Interesting, no bunt...

129 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:08 pm

[126] Something with his hand, it wasn't clear. Maybe the wrapped up wrist.

130 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:09 pm

[129] That's potentially a big loss. A hand injury isn't going to heal quickly...

131 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:11 pm

[128] Ah, didn't see the 1 out...

132 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:12 pm

[131] I'd have had Jeet running with Pena at bat...

133 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:15 pm

[130] I'm not too sure about that. The UI position should be covered with Peña

134 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:17 pm

[133] Yep. And with a 4th OF, probably not a big deal. But did Pena learn to play OF at Scranton well enough to play in a pinch?

135 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:17 pm

I would like to see Marte attain success. That's a start. : )

136 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:17 pm

I like out DP combo very much. I don't think they have high stat-y ratings on it, but they just look damn good.

137 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:18 pm

[133] Plus, they will carry only 10 or 11 pitchers on the PS roster, so there is less pressure to carry a single BU who needs to play every position.

138 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:19 pm

That's our Bobby.

139 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:20 pm

It will be nice when Cokey gets over his tummy ache.

140 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:22 pm

[134] OF is covered; Damon, Swisher, Gardner and Melky are the main guys, and pick one of Guzman or Hinske if they decide they want 5 OF'ers.

141 Paul   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:22 pm

Wow, if Girardi had another month I'd almost believe he could make something of Marte. Still, probably smart to carry him.

142 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:22 pm

[139] Miracle cure!

143 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:22 pm

Aha. I guess the told Cokey to slam the Pepto and get warmed up.

144 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:22 pm

Oh, ffs.

Please tell me Hughes is ready to come in one out shy of the EIGHTH INNING.

145 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:23 pm

Atta boy Albie. D'oh! Why the FUCK can't this team beat the Red Sox? (The Angels that is) Bastards.

146 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:24 pm

I mean, can't Hughes and Mo get seven outs between them?

147 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:24 pm

[144] I suspect that 37 pitches yesterday = no Hughes today.

148 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:24 pm

I hope this isn't Diet Coke ...

149 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:25 pm

[144] Maybe the idea is to have Kendrick bat from his weaker side.


150 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:25 pm

[147] OUCH!

For once a legitimate excuse.

151 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:25 pm

By "Kendrick" I meant "Kendry".

Whoa. Kennedy is warming.

152 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:26 pm

[148] Flat Coke?

153 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:26 pm

[151] Is Ian Kennedy on this team?

154 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:26 pm

Classic Coke!

155 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:27 pm


156 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:27 pm

Guess IPK gets the 8th?

157 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:28 pm

[153] Indeed. Seeing him in the 8th would be something. Especially if he can hold 'em. I forgot what the hell the looks like on the bump.

158 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:29 pm

Girardi will try to steal an out or two with Coke.

159 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:31 pm

I suppose we see Guzman in the OF? I don't think Hinske out there is a good idea.

160 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:32 pm

[159] Right. I know he can run, but how good an OF is Guzman?

161 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:32 pm

[159] Oh, good call! Were you thinking about the pinch runner too? Or just prescient?

162 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:32 pm

Let's see what you got Freddy. Does he have any sb's yet with the Yanks?

163 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:32 pm

[160] I asked that earlier. Nobody seems to know.

164 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:32 pm

The heat is on now!

165 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:33 pm

Wow. You just can't predict baseball.

166 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:34 pm

I didn't even know what Freddy G looked like. I like his look. It's kind of scary, intense. Sort of the Mariano of base runners.

Oh, god. Napoli has some flaws.

167 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:34 pm

Hell, I'd let him try for 3rd.

168 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:34 pm

I LOVE watching the Yanks play this game against the Angels. LOVE IT.

169 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:35 pm

[165] John said it in about the third inning. He went on at some length explaining it. I can't quite remember what set him off. Oh, it was Shelley's single when Teix was thrown out at home.

170 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:35 pm

Time for a delivery.

171 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:35 pm

[168] Failing to get home a man on 2nd with less than 2 outs. : (

172 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:35 pm

Oooh, the Melk Truck tried to deliver. Almost.

173 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:36 pm

Who will it be...Cokey? IPK? Mo for two innings?

174 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:39 pm

Hard to believe you let IPK pitch here.

175 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:39 pm

[173] Nah, Mo won't pitch today. I think Coke comes out too, with the righties due up. My guess is IPK.

176 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:40 pm

[174] Kinda sends a message to Joba, no? "Hey kid, get your act together, because we could always carry IPK instead of you. Look, I have no trouble using him in the 8th inning."

177 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:40 pm

[175] Give that man a prize!

So, does IPK finish the game?

178 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:42 pm

it's total bullshit (and against the rules) that umpires let you go to 1st for leaning into a pitch

179 Paul   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:42 pm

IPK sitting at 93.

180 Paul   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:42 pm

How many pitches did Mo throw last night?

181 monkeypants   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:47 pm

It's strange watching both managers employ so many players---using the extended rosters---and yet avoid using their best players even to PH.

182 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:48 pm

[169] This isn't football, or basketball, where the better team wins! This is *baseball!*

Suzyn, you just can't predict baseball.

183 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:50 pm

3-2 in the 8th..this is too close to wake up to..anyone want to kindly recap A) the game & B) tongh'ts wacky wild game thread? 180+ a bit skimpy compared to yesterday...

184 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:50 pm

Damnit CHOAD. I have to get out my hat (derby) again.

185 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:52 pm

Admiral ErickAybar "Snoop". I don't like you either. : / C'mon Ian!

186 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:55 pm

WOW. Good for IPK! He's got to be flying. Why did the booth say he may not pitch after today?

187 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:55 pm

Ich bin ein Anaheimer

188 joe   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:56 pm

That was an ugly 1IP 0 ER

189 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 6:56 pm

Had to do some actual work. Glad to see IPK was used, could've done without the 2 walks but he didn't give up any runs.

190 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:01 pm

I missed that inning. IPK was kind of a thrill, huh? But got out okay. Maybe too much adrenaline?

191 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:02 pm


192 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:03 pm

Degree of difficulty 3.4

193 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:04 pm

Three-fourths of a day off for Alex. Like to see him put another one in the rocks.

194 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:04 pm

Hahaha, Gameday had it reveresed for a second, said Ramiro Pena punch-hit for Alex Rodriguez...I spit up my mueslix in shock..Go Go A-Rod!

195 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:05 pm

Hi Diane.
You were wrong about using Mo back in the ... seventh(?)
This inning is much higher leverage even to start. We're starting at 3.6. If anyone gets on it shoots up.

196 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:06 pm

[194] Oh, so that's the past tense of "pinch-hit"! I always wondered.

197 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:08 pm

And the leverage is 5.4 now.

198 The Hawk   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:08 pm

Girardi's a psycho putting Kennedy in there.

199 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:10 pm

[198] Ian does call him "Mother" so it's all good. : ) Oohhhh, chin music from Mo.

200 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:10 pm

Think hard about that one, Torii. Keep thinking...

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201 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:11 pm

Nailed 'im.

202 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:12 pm

[198] Why?

I would say he's silly to use Mo here, even though they have the off-day tomorrow . . . but I'll also notice that Girardi using Mo here is pretty clear evidence that he hasn't stopped managing, or caring if the Yanks win or not. Or trying to win.

Which the "house money" lineup (and defense!) has put them in a position to do.

203 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:13 pm

[202] Took me to the end of the first para, Shaun.

204 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:14 pm

2 down.

205 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:14 pm

Oh, man.

It's good to be alive at times like this one.

206 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:15 pm

202 He could just be pumping up Mo's stats. Still I like the message that it sends to both teams if the Yankees came in and win 2 out of 3 in Anaheim, moving the season series to 5-5.

207 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:15 pm


208 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:15 pm

Thanks be to Mo.

209 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:16 pm

and abreu never even tries for 2nd?

210 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:16 pm

And hats off to the incomparable and undeniable genius of one... Joe Girardi.

211 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:16 pm

If the Yankees win today you couldn't find boston's chances of winning the division with the Hubbel.

212 Just Fair   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:16 pm

If they made Seinfeld in 40 years would George joke about naming his kid forty-two. : )
Great win.

213 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:16 pm

wow that is amazingly satisfying

214 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:17 pm

211 When the Yankees win today.

215 a.O   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:17 pm

Hell to the Yes.

216 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:18 pm

What's the division magic number at now?

217 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:19 pm

I Heart Mo, Always & Forever!

218 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:19 pm

[216] 5.

219 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:20 pm

Love Kim Jones. Love Jose Molina talking.

220 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:21 pm

218 I guess Pete Abe will put a picture of Joe DiMaggio up today. Followed by my personal favorite Lou Gehrig if the Bosox lose to KC again tonite. How sweet would that be!

221 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:22 pm

BuckFoston, a great way to check on the Magic Number is to pop over to River Avenue Blues. They always have a picture with someone's uniform number indicating the number. Yesterday they had A-Rod hugging Joe Torre, with the latter's back in the middle of the pic. Now, well, you could probably guess, or just click over.

222 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:23 pm

[220] Ah!
Did I get mixed up -- was it Pete who had the Torre picture yesterday?

223 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:23 pm

I hope the Yanks have a relaxing flight home, having taken two out of 3 from the Angels. Praise be to Mo.

IIRC, it was Emma who pointed out what a confidence booster this would be for the Yanks, if the "house money" lineup beat the Angels. Very prescient - I think their confidence is up.

Now let's go Royals!

224 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:23 pm

221 I've been checking lohud, he had that same pic up yesterday.

225 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:24 pm

221 I had just forgotten that it was there.

226 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:24 pm

Oh, and if Boston does lose... today or tomorrow... then we can celebrate in front of them by winning two out of three. How sweet will that be?

227 BuckFoston   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:26 pm

226 Nice, even nicer if it is in the ALCS.

228 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:26 pm

[226] except that if texas continues to lose the sox could theoretically celebrate making the playoffs in the same game

229 The Hawk   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:27 pm

[202] Close, important game, high-pressure situation, talented, apparently eggshell kid who has flamed out in the major leagues multiple times making his first appearance in those same major leagues in a year with one aneurysm in the can and little relief experience at the big league level ... I don't know, you tell me!

230 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:27 pm

[227] One step at a time.

Hey, I just realized. No Brian Bruney today.
I wonder if this marks the transition from Auditions Phase to Tune-Up Phase?

231 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:28 pm

[228] Oh, I hope to god that happens. And I hope the Red Sox do celebrate.
The New England media and fans would crucify them.

232 The Hawk   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:29 pm

Kim Jones looks a bit like a drag queen to me.

233 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:30 pm

[231] i don't know. do the sox really care about winning the division? they've done it once in the last 14 years.

234 51cq24   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:30 pm

[232] i wouldn't go that far, but i agree with the direction of your thought. she's too mouthy.

235 The Hawk   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:33 pm

[234] Well I did say "a bit". Surely that is diminutive and vague enough for you to agree wholeheartedly.

236 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:34 pm

[233] The key is the way it would look, the contrast. The Yankees beat you and clinch the Division title over your heads, and you're celebrating... the Wild Card. It's the "satisfied with second" symbolism. Maybe it's hard to understand if you've never lived in RSN...

237 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:48 pm

Favorite things about this game (there are many!):

Victory with House Money.
Beating the Angels...
... in their house.
Lowering the Magic Number.
Continued appearance of Good AJ.
Robbie executes with two out and two ducks in a scoreless game.
A surprising new answer to the age-old question, "Who will pitch the 8th?"

And Mo in the ninth. It never gets old.

238 ms october   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:48 pm

nice win to come home to

they just interviewed kennedy on the post game - he had a huge kool-aid smile and the excitement and happiness just radiated off him - i am very happy for him - pretty remarkable that he was able to come back from mid may surgery

239 Raf   ~  Sep 23, 2009 7:55 pm

It’s the “satisfied with second” symbolism. Maybe it’s hard to understand if you’ve never lived in RSN…

It's acceptance that they will never see 1st :D

Seriously, it's things like that that make me wonder what the heck this Z0MG S0X R3V3ZE T3H CURSE!!!11!! nonsense is all about.

240 Yankee Mama   ~  Sep 23, 2009 8:14 pm

You can blow me over with a feather. I left for back-to-school night, it was 3-2 and when I came home the Yanks had won 3-2.

Nice win. Glad IPK got a chance to get out there and be successful. It's an all-around good story.

241 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Sep 23, 2009 9:19 pm

I'm so mad I missed this one. I actually was around to have been able to catch most of it, but I had no idea there was a day game on. I hate when that happens.

Anyway, this important thing is, yes, as you all remark, it's a very gratifying win. I'll bet particularly so if you'd actually seen the baseball game.

And obviously, RI, the key there on your list, actually, two keys: Robbie and AJ.

I noticed, consulting my boxscore, that Robbie has like 80 ribbies. That's pretty amazing for a guy who hits .200 or whatever it is with risp. Just imagine if he hit his average in those spots. I really, really hope he gets there someday.

242 RIYank   ~  Sep 23, 2009 9:43 pm

[241] In '06 and '07 Rob hit about .300 with RISP. Last year and this year, he just seems to sink into a hole. I have no theory about this, just the observation.

The 80 RBI aren't all that surprising. After all, he gets a whole lot of RISP opportunities (those guys who bat ahead of him are on base an awful lot), and this year he's managed a big bunch of RBI with no RISP.
And he has 195 hits. And today he made a first rate backhand play on a hard grounder in the hole to save a run, too.

Still, the best part was the ninth.

243 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 23, 2009 10:06 pm

BoSox socred 6 run in the 5th..they'll take this game. Still can't believe they got Victor Martinez for so little...

244 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Sep 23, 2009 10:07 pm

His fielding is just dreamy. He can be downright godlike out there. Also, re: the RBI, he's also got all those longballs. They help.

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