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2009 World Series: Yankees vs. Phillies

The Yankees and Phillies have more in common than just winning their respective league pennants. Both boast their league’s best offense (the first time the two top offenses have reached the World Series since the Red Sox and Cardinals met in 2004). Both are likely to try to get three starts out of a left-handed ace who won the Cy Young with the Cleveland Indians and has been dominant in three postseason starts this month. Both will have a lineup that includes three lefties when an opposing lefty is on the mound (both have two left-handers in their rotation). Both have seen their elite set-up men struggle in the playoffs to this point. Both play good defense and steal bases efficiently with speed not only at the top of the lineup, but from some of their big power guys as well. Both are home-run hitting teams that play in homer-friendly ball parks. Both have been led by a superstar cleanup hitter who has been white hot in this postseason. Both won the Eastern division and beat the Wild Card and Western Division champion to reach the World Series. Both have lost just two games all postseason. Both already have one championship this decade and are looking to tie the Red Sox with the most in the decade with another win.

The Yankees return to the World Series after a five-year break (which, amazingly, is their third longest pennant drought since the acquisition of Babe Ruth) as the favorites, but that seems disrespectful to the defending World Champions. The Phillies are the first team to win back-to-back pennants since the 2000 and 2001 Yankees, and the first championship team to defend their title in the World Series since that ’01 Yankee squad. When the Yankees last went to the World Series in 2003, many were of the mind that their knock-down, drag-out ALCS against the Red Sox was the real championship and that the ensuing World Series, which saw a battered Yankee team stumble to a six-game defeat, was an afterthought. That is not at all the case this year. While the ALCS was tightly contested six-game series against a hated rival, the Yankees were clearly a better team than the Angels going in. They are likely still a better team than the Phillies on paper, but the margin has closed to such a degree that the difference between the two teams is almost negligible.

Lineup:

Derek Jeter (.334/.406/.465, 18 HR, 30 SB @ 86%)
Jimmy Rollins (.250/.296/.423, 21 HR, 31 SB @ 79%)

Providing a nice set of bookends for the 2009 season, Jeter and Rollins began the year sharing the shortstop job for Team USA in the World Baseball Classic and will now conclude it as opposing shortstops in the Fall Classic. Back in March, I thought Rollins was the obvious choice to start over Jeter in the WBC as the two had been comparable at the plate in 2008, and Rollins was clearly superior in the field. Then the regular season started and Rollins fell into an awful slump that lasted three months (.205/.250/.319 though July 1), while Jeter rebounded from what had been one of his worst offensive seasons in 2008 to have a near-MVP-quality season. What’s more, Jeter, working with new first base and infield coach Mick Kelleher, had perhaps his finest defensive season, while Rollins brought his struggles out to the field. As a result, Jeter trumped the 2007 NL MVP in every phase of the game in 2009.

Rollins made a nice comeback over the last three months, hitting .288/.334/.510 with 20 steals in 23 tries after July 1, but he’s looked more like the first-half Rollins thus far this postseason, hitting .244/.279/.317 with no walks or steals to Jeter’s .297/.435/.595.

Johnny Damon (.282/.365/.489, 24 HR, 12 SB @ 100%)
Shane Victorino (.292/.358/.445, 13 3B, 25 SB @ 76%)

Damon’s road numbers (.284/.349/.446) look a lot like Victorino’s overall line this year, while switch-hitter Victorino get’s a nice spike against lefties (.314/.385/.459). If this Series goes seven games, Damon will get four games at friendly Yankee Stadium (.279/.382/.533, 17 HR), while Victorino could make four starts against lefty pitching. Damon shook off his Division Series slump with a .300/.323/.533 line against the Angels in the ALCS, but Victorio, is a career .299/.370/.577 hitter in 26 postseason games and has been red-hot this October, hitting .361/.439/.722 with a trio of homers. Folding in the larger regular season sample, I’m going to call this one even.

Mark Teixeira (.292/.383/.565, 39 HR, 122 RBI)
Chase Utley (.282/.397/.508, 31 HR, 93 RBI, 23 SB @ 100%)

Add those 23 stolen bases in 23 attempts to Utley’s total bases and his slugging jumps to .548. And, yes, Teixeira can switch-hit with similar results from both sides, but lefty-hitting Utley hit .288/.417/.545 against lefty pitching this season. Teixeira has been slumping this postseason, but he does have three big hits (the bloop before Alex Rodriguez’s game-tying blast in Game Two of the ALDS, the game-winning home run in that contest, and his bases-loaded double in Game Five against the Angels), and was 4 for his last 9 in the ALCS, which means a big World Series breakout could be around the corner. Utley, meanwhile, has just one extra-base hit this postseason. Tex has the edge here, but it’s small enough to be meaningless in a short series.

Alex Rodriguez (.286/.402/.532, 30 HR, 100 RBI, 14 SB @ 88%)
Ryan Howard (.279/.360/.571, 45 HR, 141 RBI, 8 SB @ 89%)

These are the mashers. Both men have had their share of postseason struggles in the past, but both have put those concerns to bed this postseason. Howard has hit .355/.462/.742 with a hit and an RBI in every game until the clincher against the Dodgers. Rodriguez has hit .438/.548/.969 with five home runs and has had a hit in every game and an RBI in all but one. In nine games, Rodriguez has 12 RBIs to Howard’s 14 (the record for a single postseason in 19 held by David Ortiz ’05, Scott Spiezio ’02, and Sandy Alomar Jr. ’97, while the homer record is 8 by Carlos Beltran in ’04).

Howard, who has hit 45 or more home runs in each of the last four seasons, has more pure power, if that’s possible, but Rodriguez is the better overall hitter and player (though Howard is underrated in the field and on the bases because of his bulk). Most significantly, Howard is the one starter on either team who is really defanged by lefty pitching. He hit just .207/.298/.356 against southpaws this year with a strikeout roughly every three plate appearances. That tips the balance in this matchup decidedly in the Yankees’ favor.

Jorge Posada (.285/.363/.522, 22 HR, 81 RBI)
Jayson Werth (.268/.373/.506, 36 HR, 99 RBI, 20 SB @ 87%)

The Yankee lefties had better get Howard out, because Jayson Werth, who was a platoon player as recently as last year, eats left-handed pitching for breakfast. He hit .302/.436/.644 against lefties this year, and his line in the postseason against all opponents dating back to the beginning of last year’s World Series is .340/.468/.800 with six home runs. Over those 14 postseason games, Werth has hit a home run roughly once every ten plate appearances. He’s a monster and an all-around talent and trumps Posada in the fifth spot. [Note: I've skipped Hideki Matsui for the moment due to the lack of a DH in the NL parks.]

Robinson Cano (.320/.352/.520, 25 HR, 85 RBI)
Raul Ibañez (.272/.347/.552, 34 HR, 93 RBI)

Ibañez was hitting .312/.371/.656 with 22 homers and 59 RBIs when he hit the DL in mid-June with a groin injury and small muscular tear near his abdomen. After returning, he hit .232/.323/.448 over his final 72 games. His aggregate line this postseason (.226/.333/.387) looks more like the latter. Cano’s overall postseason line is no better, but whereas Ibañez did most of his hitting in the Division Series, Cano enters the World Series on a five-game hitting streak. Both lefty batters hit left-handed pitching well. Given that Ibañez’s adbominal tear has yet to heal and could require off-season surgery, I’ll favor Cano here.

Nick Swisher (.249/.371/.498, 29 HR, 82 RBI)
Carlos Ruiz (.255/.355/.425, 322 AB)

This is the matchup that keeps the Phillies lineup in the picture. Going over the top six spots in the order, which is really as deep as the Phillies’ National League lineup gets, the Yankees get the edge with Jeter, Rodriguez, and Cano. The Phillies have the edge with Werth, and the two and three holes are essentially even. That the Yankees have an American League lineup that is strong down to the eighth spot would seem to give them a decided edge given that advantage up top, but they give away some of that edge in the NL park, where designated hitter Hideki Matsui (.274/.367/.509, 28 HR, 90 RBI) has to ride pine, and the inverted postseason fortunes of Swisher and Ruiz erode it even further.

Swisher’s struggles this postseason have been the subject of much debate and consternation in New York, but they’re nothing new. Swisher is now a .161/.319/.214 hitter in 70 career postseason plate appearances over five series with three teams. Ruiz, meanwhile, is a career .296/.406/.432 hitter in 96 postseason plate appearances over six series and has hit .367/.500/.571 over his last three series dating back to last year’s World Series. During the regular season, this spot would go to Swisher without a thought, but given their postseason track records, I have to favor Chooch here.

Melky Cabrera (.274/.336/.416, 10 SB @ 83%)
Pedro Feliz (.266/.308/.386, 12 HR, 82 RBI)

Melky’s the runt of the Yankee lineup, but he had a strong series against the Angels, and it doesn’t take much to beat out a hitter with a career on-base percentage below .300. Feliz might be the best defensive third baseman in the NL, but he’s easily the worst hitter in either lineup, the Phillies’ designated hitters included.

Speaking of which . . .

Hideki Matsui (.274/.367/.509, 28 HR, 90 RBI)
Matt Stairs (vs. RHP .200/.360/.390)/Ben Francisco (vs. LHP .247/.351/.392)

This is is a mismatch. Stairs and Francisco can both run into one, and Stairs will take his walks, but they’re both bench players for a reason. The 41-year-old Stairs hit .194 on the season and slugged below .400 for the first time since 1995. Francisco was closer to league average, but most of his power actually comes against his fellow righties. Neither has a hit this postseason, and Francisco has made five outs in four trips due to grounding into a double play in one of them. Matsui, meanwhile, slugged .618 against lefties this year with a home run every 11.4 plate appearances.

Bench:

Stairs, Francisco, and lefty Greg Dobbs should give the Phillies a strong pinch-hitting trio, but Dobbs also had a poor regular season and the Philly bench has gone 0-for-15 (with two walks to Stairs) thus far this postseason. The Yankees lack a good right-handed bench bat, but with Eric Hinske back in place of Freddy Guzman, they have lefty power (adding Matsui as well in the middle three games), and Brett Gardner‘s game-changing speed.

Rotation:

LHP CC Sabathia (3.37 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 2.94 K/BB, 34 GS, 21 QS)
LHP Cliff Lee (3.22 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 4.21 K/BB, 34 GS, 24 QS)

Both pitchers are left-handers who won the Cy Young award for the Cleveland Indians (in consecutive years). Both were traded mid-season the year after their Cy Young and helped pitch their new team into the playoffs. Both have been dominant thus far this postseason, with their team winning all three of their starts. Both have struck out 20 and walked 3 this postseason. Both have a first name that starts with a C and ends with “ton.” Cliff Lee is a scrawny white guy from Arkansas . . . I guess the similarities end there. Still, the prospect of Sabathia and Lee facing off three times in this series is thrilling. The last man to make three starts in a World Series was Curt Schilling in 2001 (he only won one thanks to Byung-Hyun Kim and Alfonso Soriano), and the last time two pitchers faced off three times in the World Series was in 1973 when lefies Ken Holtzman of the A’s and John Matlack of the Mets did so with Matlack winning Game Four and Holtzman winning Games One and Seven.

Sabathia is clearly the better pitcher, but Lee has been just a smidge better in his three starts this postseason. Dig:

Lee: 3 GS, 0.79 ERA, 0.70 WHIP, 0 HR, 8 IP/GS, 1 CG
CC: 3 GS, 1.19 ERA, 0.88 WHIP, 1 HR, 7 2/3 IP/GS, 0 CG

Of course, CC could have finished that Game Four start in Anaheim had it not been such a blowout, and CC has three wins to Lee’s two wins and one no-decision, that ND coming as a result of two unearned runs in Colorado in an eventual Phillies win.

Sabathia, a first-round pick by the Indians in 1998, has been on a steady course toward his current superstardom since he broke into the league at age 20 in 2001. Lee’s path has been a bit more convoluted. Drafted by the Expos and traded to the Indians organization in the now infamous Bartolo Colon deal that also sent Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips to Cleveland, Lee’s first full season in the majors came at age-25 in 2004. Lee sandwiched an 18-win sophomore campaign between two disappointing ones, and while Sabathia was winning the Cy Young in 2007, Lee was struggling with injury, poor performance, and a demotion to the minor leagues. In 2008, Lee emerged with improved control and a reduced fly-ball rate, halving his walk rate and nearly cutting his home run rate by a third. His first seven starts were mesmerizing (6-0, 0.68 ERA, 11 K/BB), since then he’s been merely one of the game’s best starters, posting a 3.18 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, and 4.21 K/BB with a 30-16 record, nine complete games, and three shutouts in 58 starts. Over the same span, Sabathia has posted a 2.71 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 3.76 K/BB, 33-13 record, 11 complete games, and five shutouts in 60 starts. This has Gibson-Lolich potential.

RHP A.J. Burnett (4.04 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 2.01 K/BB, 33 GS, 21 QS)
RHP Pedro Martinez (3.63 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 4.63 K/BB, 9 GS, 3 QS)

Burnett turned in six strong innings in his first two postseason starts, got a no decision in both, and ended both nights by pieing a teammate after a walkoff win. In his last start, he gave up four runs in the first before getting an out, then threw five scoreless frames. The two runs he was charged with in the seventh inning of that game were allowed to score by the bullpen (and some would argue by Joe Girardi giving Burnett too long a leash). Pedro Martinez didn’t pitch in the first round, but shut down the Dodgers in Game Two of the NLCS, holding them scoreless on two hits and no walks for seven innings. Pedro’s start was a real roll of the dice by Charlie Manuel. Pedro had just three quality starts in nine tries during the regular season and finished up by allowing six runs on 13 hits in seven innings over his last two starts. Pedro seems to be in that El Duque stage of his career, in which he can still find that black magic with a little extra motivation, but isn’t a pitcher that can be relied upon over a longer span. Burnett should be happy to be back at Yankee Stadium, where his ERA was a run lower than on the road this year. Pedro hasn’t pitched in the Bronx since June 2005 during his first and only healthy season as a Met. Anything can happen here.

LHP Andy Pettitte (4.16 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 1.95 K/BB, 32 GS, 17 QS)
LHP Cole Hamels (4.32 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 3.91 K/BB, 32 GS, 15 QS)

The first two pitching matchups could go either way, but this is one that clearly favors the Yankees. Hamels has struggled significantly over his last six starts, posting a 6.89 ERA with a 1.5 WHIP and allowing eight home runs. In his three starts this postesason, he has allowed six home runs, posted a 6.75 ERA, and didn’t get further than the first out of the sixth inning in any of them. Amazingly, the Phillies won two of those games, doing so by scoring a combined 18 runs in the two contests. Andy Pettitte, meanwhile, finished the regular season strong and has been excellent in the postseason, turning in three quality starts and posting a 2.37 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, and 5.0 K/BB.

LHP J.A. Happ (2.99 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 2.17 K/BB, 23 GS, 14 QS)/RHP Joe Blanton (4.05 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 2.76 K/BB, 31 GS, 21 QS)
RHP Chad Gaudin (4.76 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, 1.79 K/BB, 25 GS, 11 QS)

We don’t know yet if any of these three will start a game. It seems likely that, even if Lee starts Games One, Four, and Seven, the Phillies will need a fourth starter for Game Five, and if Pedro struggles in Game Two, they could look elsewhere for a Game Six starter as well. The Yankees seem likely to stick with a straight three-man rotation given the past success each of their three starters has had on short rest and the drop-off to Gaudin. The big challenge for Happ or Blanton is to come in sharp and to maintain his endurance after bouncing between the rotation and the pen thus far this postseason. Happ lasted just three innings in his Game Three start in the NLDS and has faced just five batters since then. Blanton fared far better starting Game Four of the NLCS, missing a quality start by one unearned run. Blanton would thus seem like the first choice to start Game Five. If Pedro does get smacked around, Happ could be an appealing option for Game Six back in the Bronx given his 1.99 road ERA this season and his quality start in the new Yankee Stadium back on May 23. Still, the uncertainty here reveals Pedro Martinez’s importance in this series.

Closers:

Mariano Rivera (1.76 ERA, 0.91 WHIP, 6.00 K/BB, 44 SV, 2 BS, 3-3, 6.032 WXRL)
Brad Lidge (7.21 ERA, 1.81 WHIP, 1.79 K/BB, 31 SV, 11 BS, 0-8, -3.257 WXRL)

Lidge lost his job to Ryan Madson down the stretch, but Charlie Manuel reinstated him for the postseason and has been rewarded. Lidge has given up just one hit and no runs this posteason, though it’s worth noting that Manuel has used him sparingly, limiting him to five appearances in the Phillies’ nine games, only three of them lasting a full inning and none more than that. Rivera, meanwhile, has appeared in all but one of the Yankees’ nine games ( the exception was their 10-1 blowout in Game Four of the ALDS), going more than an inning four times and a full two innings or more twice. Rivera has allowed a run of his own as well as one of his eight inherited baserunners to score, but didn’t cause a lead change in either instance and has a 0.84 ERA in this postseason. To put it simply, Lidge is a contributor, but Rivera is a weapon. Advantage Yankees, of course.

Bullpen:

The set-up relievers of both teams have struggled. Ryan Madson blew two saves in the Division Series against the Rockies and allowed 9 of the 19 men he faced in the NLCS to reach base. Chan Ho Park missed the first round with a hamstring injury, then posted an 8.10 ERA in the NLCS, blowing a save in Game Two. Opponents have hit .391/.440/.478 against Phil Hughes this postseason as Hughes has allowed 11 of 25 batters to reach base and had what could have been a pivotal blown save in Game Five of the ALCS. Opponents are hitting .438/.412/.750 against Joba Chamberlain, though Joba hasn’t walked a man or allowed a home run, four of the seven hits he’s allowed have gone for extra bases, and he has yet to pitched a full inning this postseason. Look for increased opportunities for Chad Durbin, who has been perfect in four postseason innings, and David Robertson, who notably pitched out of a bases-loaded, no-out jam against the Twins in the ALDS and led the majors in K/9 among pitchers with 40 or more innings this season. There are some concerns about the health of Robertson’s shoulder, however, which may be one reason the Yankees have added Brian Bruney to the roster. Each team is carrying two lefties, but outside of Howard, no starter on either team has much trouble with lefties. That just leaves the long men and question marks (Bruney, Brett Myers, who wasn’t on the NLCS roster, and a scuffling Alfredo Aceves), who will be used in case of emergency only.

Baserunning:

Both teams have speed throughout the lineup and steal at a high percentage. The Yankees swiped 111 bases at an 80 percent success rate. The Phillies took 119 at an 81 percent rate. Call it even.

Fielding:

All four of the Phillies infielders are above average and Feliz, Utley, and Rollins when he’s going well are all worthy of Gold Gloves. In the outfield they have two center fielders in Victorino and Werth and Raul Ibañez, whose primary talent in left field is not being Pat Burrell. Save for Mark Teixeira, the Yankee fielders are less impressive on a position-by-position basis, yet they’ve been more successful at turning balls in play into outs this year, ranking second in the AL with a .695 defensive efficiency to the Phillies .691, which ranks sixth in the NL. That could have something to do with the superior strikeout rate of the Yankee pitchers (7.8 K/9 to 7.1), but let’s just call this one even as well.

Philadelphia Phillies

2009 Record: 93-69 (.574)
2009 Pythagorean Record: 92-70 (.568)

Manager: Charlie Manuel
General Manager: Ruben Amaro Jr.

Home Ballpark: Citizens Bank Park (103/102)

25-man Roster:

1B – Ryan Howard (L)
2B – Chase Utley (L)
SS – Jimmy Rollins (S)
3B – Pedro Feliz (R)
C – Carlos Ruiz (R)
RF – Jayson Werth (R)
CF – Shane Victorino (S)
LF – Raul Ibañez (L)

Bench:

L – Matt Stairs (OF/1B)
R – Ben Francisco (OF)
L – Greg Dobbs (3B)
R – Eric Bruntlett (UT)
L – Paul Bako (C)

Rotation:

L – Cliff Lee
R – Pedro Martinez
L – Cole Hamels
R – Joe Blanton
L – J.A. Happ

Bullpen:

R – Brad Lidge
R – Ryan Madson
L – Scott Eyre
R – Chan Ho Park
R – Chad Durbin
R – Brett Myers
L – Antonio Bastardo

Key injuries:

LHP – Jamie Moyer (groin surgery)
LHP – J.C. Romero (elbow tendonitis)

Typical lineup:

S – Jimmy Rollins (SS)
S – Shane Victorino (CF)
L – Chase Utley (2B)
L – Ryan Howard (1B)
R – Jayson Werth (RF)
L – Raul Ibañez (LF)
R – Pedro Feliz (3B)
R – Carlos Ruiz (C)

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New York Yankees

2009 Record: 103-59 (.636)
2009 Pythagorean Record: 95-67 (.586)

Manager: Joe Girardi
General Manager: Brian Cashman

Home Ballpark (multi-year Park Factors): Yankee Stadium 2.0 (103/103)

1B – Mark Teixeira (S)
2B – Robinson Cano (L)
SS – Derek Jeter (R)
3B – Alex Rodriguez (R)
C – Jorge Posada (S)
RF – Nick Swisher (S)
CF – Melky Cabrera (S)
LF – Johnny Damon (L)
DH – Hideki Matsui (L)

Bench:

L – Brett Gardner (CF)
L – Eric Hinske (4C)
S – Jerry Hairston Jr. (UT)
R – Jose Molina (C)

Rotation:

L – CC Sabathia
R – A.J. Burnett
L – Andy Pettitte

Bullpen:

R – Mariano Rivera
R – Phil Hughes
L – Phil Coke
R – Joba Chamberlain
R – Alfredo Aceves
L – Damaso Marte
R – David Robertson
R – Brian Bruney
R – Chad Gaudin

Key injuries:

RHP – Chien-Ming Wang (shoulder surgery)
OF – Xavier Nady (Tommy John surgery)

Typical Lineup:

R – Derek Jeter (SS)
L – Johnny Damon (LF)
S – Mark Teixeira (1B)
R – Alex Rodriguez (3B)
L – Hideki Matsui (DH)
S – Jorge Posada (C)
L – Robinson Cano (2B)
S – Nick Swisher (RF)
L – Melky Cabrera (CF)

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1 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:34 pm

great job. my only complaint is that i don't see how werth can be considered better than posada. if you just go off of recent postseason performance werth obviously has the edge, but then again he hasn't been facing very impressive pitching. and posada not only has his entire career backing him up, but also had a higher ops+ than werth this year. i think this should be at least even.

also, the yanks never played the wild card team.

2 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:38 pm

This is awesome, Cliff. I've been waiting all week for this! (And how awesome was it to write one of these for the Serious?)

I wonder if we'll see any AL vs NL quality effects seep in, or if the small sample of the Serious will be enough to keep things close? I still say Yanks in 5, and that's really due to the league difference as much as it is anything else.

3 Cliff Corcoran   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:40 pm

[1] I'm a big Werth fan. The guy is a monster and he crushes lefties, who will likely pitch five of the seven games for he Yankees. I've been talking up Werth since late last year in my various writing outlets and have yet to be proven wrong by him. He might be the most dangerous hitter in the Phillies' lineup in this series given Howard's struggles against lefties.

4 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:46 pm

I'm getting worried about the prevailing view that Ryan Howard will not be dangerous against our lefties. For one thing, in his career he isn't terrible against southpaws -- this year is much worse than usual for him.
I dunno, it's probably just nerves on my part.

5 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:47 pm

[3] fair enough, but he isn't facing just any lefties. he's 2/8 with 3 ks and 0 bbs against sabathia in his career (he hit 2 doubles against him in that nlds game last year) and 1/13 with 5 ks and 0 bbs against pettitte. we'll see, but i'm not terribly scared of him.

6 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:52 pm

Thanks Cliff.

Sad that it's the last series analysis for the season, but it is for the World Series. I'll restate my prediction: Yankees in 7, with each team having a stink bomb of a game. Teix the MVP (he's been saving all those hits)

7 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:53 pm

[5] Wait, the guy is slugging .500 against CC Sabathia and that's supposed to be bad? Sounds pretty damn good to me.
I do like the 0 BB part.

8 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:55 pm

and with this it is officially serious day.
thanks cliff - good stuff.
i like that you view the lineups by batting order rather than position and then look by position for defense.

assuming girardi has a supply of green tea with him and manages to settle down a bit and not go for that blooming binder too much and yank the starter too soon - the yanks bp (though better than the phillies) should come into play far less than the phillies. lee is the only starter than can even think about giving them any length.

9 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 3:58 pm

[7] i mean that sample is insane - but you could also say his obp is 250 and cc's k rate against is 375.
cc's stuff and howard's poorer outcomes against leftys should prevail - we shall see.

10 Eddie Lee Whitson KO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:00 pm

[3] I agree Cliff, Werth is a monster. What a great series this is on paper, Torre actually called it, when he forecasted a "street brawl", it's gonna be savage and I can't wait.

I also agree with [6] in that I expect Teix to have a huge series, you could see him gaining confidence as the LCS progressed. Now, if our young wonder twins in the pen can get into form that would be so nice.....

Yanks in 6

Who's your daddy, indeed.

11 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:02 pm

[7] true, but both those doubles came in one of cc's worst starts of his career, the 4th consecutive on 3 days' rest. anyway, my real point is that sabathia and pettitte are better than the average lefty. and neither has had particular trouble with righty hitters in his career. pettitte has a cutter that bores in on a righty, and sabathia has a nasty changeup.

12 mrm1970   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:05 pm

Third longest drought. 81-96 and 65-76 were longer than 5 years.

13 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:18 pm

I really don't think it is "disrespectful" to be considered an underdog to this Yankee team, which is statistically very superior to the Phillies.

[3] I am also a big Werth fan, and even suggested that the Yankees make an attempt for him at the beginning of last year, but I don't think it is fair to call him a monster by any stretch.

14 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:19 pm

jorgie after alex:

YANKEES
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF

it has stopped raining and i can see sunlight trying ever so hard to appear.

15 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:20 pm

[14] That's odd. I wonder why. Splits against Lee?

16 Sliced Bread   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:24 pm

very very nice piece of hitting here, Cliff.

minor typo alert: you left off the L in Manuel. but bringing this to your attention is like telling Halle Berry the paint on her left pinky toenail has an ever so slight chip in it.

17 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:26 pm

[15] matusi gets on base better, po slugs better:
po .286 .273 .667 .940
ma .294 .368 .412 .780

i think it has more to do with not wanting gardner or whomever might be in the lineup for matusi batting behind arod at the end of a game if matsui was lifted for a pr

18 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:28 pm

[14] [15] Yeah, looks like it's their performance against Lee. Small Sample, obviously, but career (PA, AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS)

Posada 22 .286 .273 .667 .940
Matsui 19 .294 .368 .412 .780

Note that Jorgie has the rare AVG > OBP against Lee lifetime!

19 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:29 pm

Oh, dang, beaten to the punch by Ms. Oct! Well, it's your month.

Note also that Po is just raking Lee this year...

But interesting point about possible pinch runner/defensive replacement. Although a PR for Po isn't out of the question either...

20 tommyl   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:31 pm

[0] Awesome, awesome post Cliff. Thanks!

21 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:31 pm

[18] I think it has more to do with [17] as well as stacking more righties in the middle of the order against a lefty. That's the same strategy employed in game 6 of the ALCS. I prefer having Matsui in the 5-slot, especially now that you can use Hinske in his spot should you use a PR. If you run for Posada, you are now stuck with Molina behind Arod.

22 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:33 pm

Posada hits after Alex because Joe won't be able to pull Matsui for a pinch runner if Alex loses his protection in the lineup. There won't be much incentive to Alex if Gardner is on deck.

Posada, on the other hand, is projected to stay in for 9 innings. Full-time protection.

Anyway, that's my take.

23 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:34 pm

Sliced said it so well: nice piece of hitting indeed, Cliff.

As to weather, Ms. O, you're sure it's not raining?--'cause it continues to pour in New Haven. Cold and wet, all day.

You'd better not be getting my hopes up here, 'cause I'm certainly not expecting any baseball tonight.

24 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:35 pm

[19] She's married to Dr. Octopus? I had no idea.

25 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:36 pm

[19] haha - i don't know what i'll do next week though

[19] [21] i think with no cervelli girardi will be loathe to pr for po - it will be a situation he absolutely has to
i can't get the link to post at work for some reason - but damon's splits against lee are anemic, but other than robbie everyone else who will actually play are at least competent to very good

26 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:38 pm

[23] i can assure you that it has stopped raining on 22nd street - though the glimmer of sunshine i saw a little while ago is gone

[22] i got the same take - albeit slower

27 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:39 pm

[24] Ah, no, she's the Latin kind of "Oct", not the Greek kind.
Subtle difference.

[25] Oh, uh. How do I break this to you? We're going to replace you with Ms. Nov.
Sorry, someone should have told you earlier.

28 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:41 pm

I'm getting antsy. Anyone going tonight?

29 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:43 pm

I concur with Ms Oct. the rain is gone, but then again, so is the sun.

30 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:45 pm

A nice side effect of this series is I stumbled on to this excellent blog. Like the analysis of the matchups. Full disclosure - lifelong Phillies fan. A few nits to pick. I think the Phils have the defensive edge and, one shouldn't count on another craptastic fielding performances a'la the Angels. The fielding gets better in your park with Francisco in left instead of Ibanez. Also, I disagree that Rollins took his struggles at the plate into the field. He was gold glove caliber all year long. Also, I would like to see the Sabbathia v. Lee matchup 3 times but, I don't think it's likely that Manuel will use Lee in game 4 - not unless they're down a game or 3. Expect Kentucky Joe Blanton in game 4.

31 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:50 pm

[27] i have 8 arms though - so good luck

[28] me too especially now that it is almost quitting time -
going to miss the first hour or so though :{

[30] hi.
yeah we're not counting on a horrid defensive performance, but we'll take one throw on the back end of the dp sailing over howard's head though.

32 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:53 pm

Jeter might meet up with another Lou Gehrig record: RS in the WS, lifetime. Jetes has 27, Lou 30.

Andy will move into sole possession of second place for WS games started with 12 (he's now tied with Mathewson and Hoyt). But Whitey Ford started 22, wow.

33 Yankster   ~  Oct 28, 2009 4:57 pm

[23] It's been a bright sunny day since about 11 AM in DC and the weather has been moving your way. The clouds are starting to come back but the radar suggests that this six hour window should match up well for the game. knock on wood.

34 Yankster   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:00 pm

[30] A phil at the Banter! Close the gates!

35 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:02 pm

[31] overstated it on the defense but, agree that an error or two could doom one team. If I had to bet, it would be one of the Phils' relievers trying to field a bunt that blows one. don't count on another misplay by our 2B, or that he won't put up some XBH's. Not the best glove guy but a real ballplayer - future hall of famer if he stays healthy.

36 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:07 pm

[35] There's one thing we can agree on, your second baseman is awfully good.

37 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:07 pm

[34] the last time we had a philly fan here it was a piece bruce did on abreu

[35] oh i know, wishful thinking (or maybe knoblauch transference) - utley is great and one of the top players in mlb

38 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:09 pm

Hmmm. Hugh. Phils.
Phil Hughes.

More than just a coincidence????

39 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:13 pm

[35] Enjoy the calm. It can get a bit f-balmy (bomby) during the game. : D I am super psyched.
[0] Great play.

40 Bruce S. Markusen   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:25 pm

Just thought I'd check in with a prediction fort the Series since I won't have time later. The Yankees have the edge in hitting, bench, frontline starting pitching, and bullpen; the Phillies have the edge in starting pitching depth and overall team speed.

I had the Yankees beating the Angels in six. Since the Phils are slightly better than the Halos, I'll go with the Yankees in seven.

41 Yankster   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:29 pm

I'd wager even money that Matsui takes the field at least once in this series. The advantages are immense short term and most of the disadvantages that ruled it out in the past were longer term. And we are starting to run out of Matsui longer term. An injection a day will get matsui to play!

42 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:33 pm

Slate has a perceptive article about the one position at which the Phillies obviously have the edge.

43 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 5:58 pm

Prediction: Whomever wins this first game, wins the Series.

44 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:02 pm

[42] 3 questionable (ok, 1 questionable, 1 stupid, and 1 idiotic) moves vs. 1 obvious (and necessary) move prove that girardi is worse than manuel. very perceptive indeed.

45 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:07 pm

[44] just to be clear, i have no idea how good a manager manuel is. i do know that he has received quite a bit of criticism (but maybe not since winning a world series), but i have no idea if it was warranted. i do, however, know that his leaving lidge in to save games is completely meaningless when he had basically no other options and when all lidge has done so far is pitch 2.2 scoreless innings against the rockies and dodgers.

46 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:08 pm

[44] [45] I don't think the examples are supposed to "prove" that Manuel is a better manager. They are supposed to illustrate the way in which he's better.

47 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:09 pm

[43] Was that "whomever" a joke?

48 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:14 pm

Is seems to carry more weight then 'whoever'.

49 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:15 pm

[48] Ah, very true. James Thurber agrees with you.

50 a.O   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:19 pm

[42] That article is the opposite of "perceptive." It is self-contradictory. First it claims that Girardi cost the Yanks the game by replacing Robertson with Aceves, then it states that there is no meaningful statistical difference between the rate at which the two pitchers get hitters out. Dumb.

51 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:23 pm

[43] whom do you think wins the 1st game?

52 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:27 pm

It's World Series Day! Me and Mr, OK Jazz Jr have been up here since 6! (Ok, maybe he was up and by banging me on the head repeatedly I woke up).

Are we SURE the weather stays good?

Yankees in 6.

53 The Hawk   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:31 pm

[50] No that makes perfect sense. Why lift an effective pitcher (known, positive quantity) for one who statistically doesn't change much but whose performance is still an unknown quantity? It was a classic if it aint broke don't replace it scenario.

54 unmoderated   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:33 pm

Flu symptoms might keep me out of work, but they will not dull my excitement. Excellent work as always, Cliff.

55 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:37 pm

[46] i know, but presumably there are better examples of manuel's style of managing than letting the only guy who can close games close games. i just don't see how this article says much of anything except that girardi made a couple weird moves in the alcs.

56 tocho   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:44 pm

Pedro's press conference was very interesting. He mentioned the 03 series a couple of times.

57 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:55 pm

[38] heh heh heh hehe!

58 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:56 pm

Weather?

59 a.O   ~  Oct 28, 2009 6:59 pm

[53] I agree that it makes sense not to make a move if there is no meaningful statistical difference between pitchers. But if you assume there isn't any difference, you cannot then logically argue that the move cost them the game.

60 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:09 pm

[50] It doesn't say there's no meaningful statistical difference between the rates at which the two pitchers get hitters out. It says the statistical difference between the runs per batter for each pitcher is very small. And that Girardi may well have cost the game by that move, because it later compelled him to pinch hit for Mo.

61 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:10 pm

[55] Oh, well, the point is that he's an "overmanager", and that overmanaging can be very costly. That's what the illustrations are illustrations of.
Hawk put it nicely [53].

62 The Hawk   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:32 pm

[59] Sure you can! Assuming they're the same statistically, that still doesn't mean they're going to give the exact same performance each and every time. Robertson was pitching well, Aceves performance TBD. You gotta go with what you know to be working not what you think will work. If Robertson wasn't pitching well or the next batter and Aceves were lefties, then there'd be some reason to switch. But replacing a guy who's pitching well with a statistically similar guy who may or may not pitch well is unnwise.

Anyway that article seemed spot on for me - there are a few quotes I wish I'd thought of but it's nice to know they exist:

The Yankee manager's overarching philosophy, then, seems to have less to do with statistics than with the notion that a manager needs to make slick maneuvers to win ballgames.

This isn't the normal annoying tinkering we've all seen in 100 boring playoff games; it's a compulsive effort to control randomness

63 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:36 pm

Is this the game thread? I need me some game thread...

64 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:40 pm

This is the ersatz game thread.

65 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:43 pm

OK, I do kinda dislike the OTT introductions and stuff. I may have to tune in something else until the first pitch.

66 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:44 pm

[51] I'm worried. We have a better team, but have not played well this PS. ARod, Jeter, CC and Andy have been great (and of course Mo) Posada... decent. But everyone else? Scary!!!!!!!!

We either have to hit the shit out of the ball (because the Phillies WILL hit) or CC has to dominate THREE times.

67 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:45 pm

I feel this eerie and unsettling sense of calm...that will last about 10 more minutes

68 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:46 pm

FUCKING BAND is playing too loud to hear the crowd!

69 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:46 pm

I'm flipping. Does this ever get easy?

70 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:47 pm

[63] i hope not, there's too much to scroll through at the 50/100 marks

71 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:48 pm

I had that sense of calm all day. Now, not so much. Is Ronan Tynan watching from the apt. building where he doesn't want Jews?

72 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:50 pm

Old School dirt strip between home and the mound. WTF?

73 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:50 pm

[66] I'm no more nor less worried than any other short series in the post season.

74 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:50 pm

I think the issue with Girardi is not so much that his moves are terrible, but unnecessary. So I guess they are bad as they bleed the BP and the bench. Girardi, and that article, do illustrate that taking stats absolutely, especially when of a small sample size (can we just say SSS?), is folly.

75 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:51 pm

[72] Are you joking? Did they even have that in the old stadium? Hoo boy.

76 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:52 pm

[72, 75] no dirt strip, its a carpet for the first pitch

77 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:54 pm

Can Yogi still get a hard-on?

78 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:54 pm

[76] Thank heavens!

79 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:55 pm

[76] Now I see. LET"S GO YANKEES!!!

80 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:55 pm

[77] Huh?

81 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:55 pm

WTF is up with Fox!!!!!!!!
My picture is frozen!
Now black!
Anyone else???

82 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:56 pm

I gotta say, that Dr. Jill Biden...for a more "mature" lady...not too shabby

83 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:56 pm

[81] mine's fine. they may be trying to keep you from thinking strange thoughts about 84 year olds.

84 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:57 pm

[81] Ha-ha...I'm getting the international feed...ESPN announcers, no frozen screen.

85 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:58 pm

I am so ready. And so nervous, but I think the long lay off will prove to be a bad thing for Philthy.

I'm not sure about the Bruney to the roster move (thanks for the info re Robertson's shoulder) - won't we need some pinch hit bats on the bench when we get to Philly? We will have a couple of games there, after all.

86 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:58 pm

Ouch. Comcast TV went out for a minute. Now back... in time for a commercial.
DID I MISS ANYTHING????

And Hoss.......
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD DUDE...
Participate (you sissy!)

87 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:58 pm

That's one impressive lineup for the hometown 9+1.
I won't plague you wiht my presence here - I hope you suffer in solidarity tonight. I hope we can agree on one thing - Joe Buck ain't his dad and needs to shut the fvck up.

88 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:59 pm

Can we have a group hug for Hoss?
I mean... this is the Seriousness.
Will everybody play nice?

89 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 7:59 pm

[87] On the latter, we are in total agreement.

Can we open the Christmas presents now, Dad?

90 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:00 pm

And I really hate the national flags next to each player when they show the lineup. Can't we just have baseball without all of the nation-state nonsense?

91 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:00 pm

[87] And McGarver? Can you say insufferable?

92 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:00 pm

Hey Team!!!

GO YANKS!!!

i'm just getting in from teaching. no time to catch up on all the news & comments. gotta jump right in and...WIN !!!!

i picked up gigs and will miss both Games 2 & 3. sucks, but i gotta work...

my firefox is slow. hope word press isn't...

LET'S GO YAN-KEES !! !!!

93 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:01 pm

[85] is there any real information on robertson, or is it all speculation since he didn't pitch in games 4-6? if it's just speculation, that seems silly since there weren't all that many opportunities to get into one of those games.

94 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:01 pm

well done Jimmy

95 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:01 pm

Thank you, Jimmy Rollins.

96 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:01 pm

1 down!

26 more, just like that!

97 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:01 pm

Thanks Jimmy!

98 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:01 pm

Yes, thank you Jimmy Rollins. Gift out.

99 Diane Firstman   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:02 pm

Greeting from San Francisco, where its is 60 and sunny

100 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:02 pm

[96] 107 more

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101 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:02 pm

[93] I'm quoting the blog, first I heard of it.

102 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:02 pm

[87] Dude... ya gonna stick around a while? We are reasonable folk (for Yankee fans) here at the Banter. It would be really good to have you around.

103 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:03 pm

i like the helmets with ear flaps on both sides.

shake it off, Jorgie!

strike this fucker out, CC !!!

104 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:03 pm

[99] Hey DF.

105 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:03 pm

[99] Wanna come watch in Berkeley? What are you doing here?

106 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:03 pm

Gameday Ahoy! Detailed analysis, Score Truck mantras and crude humor from all the Banterites please!

107 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:03 pm

I may have to place all my insane, irrational hatred on Vicorino for a few days. No one on the Phils gets my goat. Yet. YES. 2 gone

108 Diane Firstman   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:04 pm

this is quite weird .... its 5pm here .... and given that I've been up since 5am, I'm ready for bed

109 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:04 pm

San Francisco? Is that near Little Neck?

110 Diane Firstman   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:05 pm

[105] at fisherman's wharf for a weekend scrabble tourney, and I'm sight-seeing otherwise till next thursday

111 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:05 pm

You know it's World Serious when the crowd is standing for a first inning K

112 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:06 pm

Exit 50 on the LIE

113 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:06 pm

[110] Is there a walking tour of Joe D's old haunts?

114 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:06 pm

I think keeping Utley in check is a key to this series.

115 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:06 pm

2 out walks. Bollocks!

116 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:06 pm

shit

117 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:06 pm

damn, lost him.

well, let's get howard out of the way early.

118 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:07 pm

Me no like Howard up with men on base...

119 Diane Firstman   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

[110]

i believe there is .... there is at least a joe d playground

120 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

um, that's not good.

121 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

Um, not what I want.

122 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

christ

123 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

Howard is a monster!

124 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

Hmm. Two out walk ≠ good.

125 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

Missed the spot

126 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

2 out doubles following a walk are also Bolllocks. C'mon Big Fellla!!

127 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:08 pm

You would think, ESPECIALLY in YS, we would stay outside to Howard.

128 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:09 pm

Over/Under on comments tonight: 3400?

129 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:09 pm

I am already tired of Joe Buck.

Bear down, CC - don't let 'em get you down! Get Werth out!

130 Diane Firstman   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:09 pm

Jayson Werth is the nephew of one-time Yankee Dennis Werth

131 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:10 pm

Nice and easy CC.

132 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:10 pm

[127] pretty sure that's where he likes it

133 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:10 pm

Come on CC...what's going on...?

134 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:10 pm

What, no strikes?

135 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:10 pm

Nerves? Jitters? Squash that shit.

136 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:10 pm

Get 'em here, CC.

137 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm

fuckin eh

138 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm

Some early tension here.

139 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm

me no likey

140 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm

Damn, was that a ball? Maybe outside.

141 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm

Gulp.

142 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:12 pm

Looked like a strike to me, whatever FOXTrax says.

143 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:12 pm

Excuse me while I begin physical mortification.

144 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:12 pm

It's stating the obvious, but CC stopped challlenging the hitters with the Utley AB.

145 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:12 pm

If CC gets out of this, he'll buckle down. But, he needs to get out of this.

146 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:12 pm

This can't be nerves from cc, can it? Maybe he's over-amped?

147 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

Way too many off speed pitches so far.

148 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

I don't like this

149 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

Dammit...they aren't biting on the offspeed stuff.

150 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

No control, come on

151 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

The pitch selection has been awful so far...CC is pitching scared.

152 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

Game 1, top 1st, already too tense to speak..

153 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

wtf?

154 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

thank you!

155 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

PHEW!

156 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

thanking everything in the universe!!!

157 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:14 pm

very bad sign for the phillies early on to let a huge chance slip away!

158 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:14 pm

Wasted opportunity there Phillies...

159 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:14 pm

No runs, but a lot of wasted pitches....why was CC/Posada afraid to use the fastball?

160 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:14 pm

Just put the kids to bed, wtf???

At least he got out of it, but should we be concerned?

161 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:14 pm

No runs - that's our ace!

162 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:14 pm

This is the first inning of the first game, of maybe seven?
Good Lord.

163 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:14 pm

Yes!

CC's offspeed pitch wasn't bad, but they weren't going for it off the plate. He's gonna have to show the fastball and then get them to chase.

The worst thing about that inning is that he wasted a two-outs-on-five-pitches start. Now he's in the hole, and needs a fast inning or two to make up for it.

164 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:15 pm

[160] No.

And you can be assured on that, weeping! ;)

165 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:15 pm

[160] No, because that inning was the result of CC not being CC, or pitching completely backwards...the way a soft tossing lefty would.

166 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:15 pm

CC had a 1st inning case of Jobaitis.

167 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:16 pm

[166] That's exactly what it was.

168 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:16 pm

[160] I am always concerned when the WS is on the line...but I'm not ready for extra concern just yet.

169 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:16 pm

[159] i think just trying to trick the big hitters. i didn't love it, but i don't think they were especially scared.

170 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:17 pm

[169] Not more tricks!! :)

171 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

Wow, Lee has a nasty curve.

172 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

Holy fuck, what a goofy pitch.

I don't think I've ever seen anything like that.

173 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

damnit, jetes

174 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

Hmpf.

175 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

Jeez... that pitch really dives.

176 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

Christ. That curveball was outrageous.

177 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

And that was a baaad curver ball.

178 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

Terrible AB, Cap

179 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

[177] Or, if Timmy was right (which I am not sure, a bad cutter.

180 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:18 pm

make him work!

181 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:19 pm

i don't know what that last pitch to jeter was, but it missed by about a foot and should have been drilled the other way

182 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:19 pm

Johnny repays Rollins.

183 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:19 pm

wtf was that johnny?! : /

184 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:19 pm

[180] Cliff Lee has had some very, very short games against the Yankees in his career.

I guess both teams are into giving away outs tonight?

185 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:20 pm

Sutcliffe: "The key to this series for the Yankees is that they have to get offense from somewhere."

Thanks.

186 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:20 pm

Sigh, Damon. Sigh.

187 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:20 pm

There's no way we're hitting this guy.

188 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:20 pm

Hey Ruiz looks like Posada. : D

189 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:20 pm

Ruiz has looked a little Jorge like this inning.

190 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:20 pm

that was low!!!!

191 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:20 pm

the catcher seems completely fooled by some of these pitches. when did lee start to throw that sharp curve? i don't remember him ever throwing it before.

192 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:21 pm

[185] And he's paid to spout such "wisdom"!

AAAAIIIIEEEE!

193 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:21 pm

Oy!

194 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:21 pm

total bollocks

195 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:21 pm

Where's CC's fastball

Diane Firstman - I think D. Werth is J. Werth's stepdad.

196 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:21 pm

[187] Dude, you gotta relax. This team led the league in scoring somehow.

197 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:21 pm

I think Buck just shat in pants. Asshole.

198 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:21 pm

Someone please tell me when I'm allowed to panic...

199 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:21 pm

[185] "If Alex Rodriguez continues to hit, the Yankees will score runs"

Genius!

200 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:22 pm

Advantage Phillies in the first inning...both CC and the Yankee hitters looked a little flustered in that frame. Hopefully, that's just a little rust and not pressure.

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201 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:22 pm

CC has to match him and we have to hope someone can hit a mistake or we can somehow get into the pen, 'cause we're not hitting this guy, certainly not the way we've been swinging the bats against far, far inferior pitchers, letting meatball sail on by or flat out missing them...

Damn.

202 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:22 pm

[185] I think the key is to score more runs than the other team in four of the seven games.

Can I be a baseball "analyst" now? Maybe ESPN can hire me -- at least I'm single so there won't be such a scandal when I hook up with the interns.

203 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:23 pm

[201] Yes, if the Yankees keep swinging at pitches about neck high, they will most certainly not hit this guy.

204 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:23 pm

[196] I hope you're right...

205 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:24 pm

I'm worried already.

206 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:24 pm

Where is our CC?

207 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:24 pm

throw strikes, man!!!

208 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:24 pm

[204] I am right...they did lead the league in runs score! ; )

209 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:25 pm

The Ben Francisco Treat. Throw fucking strikes BIg Fella!

210 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:25 pm

Now, it would help if CC threw some strikes.

211 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:25 pm

If Sabathia doesn't command his fastball is it going to be a very long night.

212 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:25 pm

Who is Ben Francisco and why is he not strikign out on three pitches??

213 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:25 pm

No command of the zone. Could be a long night.

214 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:25 pm

Wide corner tonight

215 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:26 pm

Too much rest for cc? c'mon

216 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:26 pm

whew, good. i would be incredibly displeased if the leadoff man got on...

217 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:26 pm

That's the way, CC. You've got a good defense behind you.

218 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:26 pm

[214] you mean the 3-0 pitch that was clearly a strike?

219 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:27 pm

[208] :)

Nice curve.

220 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:27 pm

is it raining pretty steadily or is that my crappy tv?

221 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:27 pm

Thanks for that weak hack, pal!

222 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:27 pm

[202] Yup, the majority of the time, that is the formula.

223 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:27 pm

Curve and change to start the 8th hitter...effective, but I really would love to see him spotting that fastball.

224 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:27 pm

Didn't CC start one or two of the the other PS games a bit rough, before locking in?

225 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:28 pm

[220] Rain from hd tv as well.

226 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:28 pm

There's a good fastball.

227 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:28 pm

[224] Yes. He'll be fine.

Good work, big guy.

228 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:28 pm

Phew!

229 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:28 pm

Much better.

230 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:28 pm

OK, maybe CC has a little groove developing...

231 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:29 pm

[224] game 4 of the alcs looked a little iffy at first, but he wasn't quite missing this much.
but that was a nice quick inning anyway.

232 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:29 pm

we VERY much needed that!

34 pitches thru 2

233 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:29 pm

nice quick inning! 34 pitches after 2, CC will be fine.

234 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:29 pm

There ya go!. I almost hope Alex walks. Laying off that nasty shit Lee brought tonight would be a fine sign. OR a homer.

235 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:29 pm

Can someone in the NYC area please tell us if it's raining... and what the forecast is for the next 3 hours?

236 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:29 pm

[232] jinx!

237 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:29 pm

[224] The ALDS game was a little shaky early on.

238 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:30 pm

It's raining.

239 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:30 pm

[234] Patience may be a good approach here.

240 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:30 pm

[235] It is raining lightly in Brooklyn. Forecast is for areas of drizzle.

241 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:31 pm

It was supposed to clear by 7pm. It's not raining hard. It's around 50 degrees.

242 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:31 pm

[238] Serious rain? Or, it will pass rain?

243 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:31 pm

OK... got it

244 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:32 pm

A-Rod's 1st WS AB !!!

245 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:32 pm

[242] Supposedly the serious rain has passed.

246 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:32 pm

Fuck the base hit shit. Swing for the fences.

247 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:32 pm

Everything is up from Lee.

248 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

Hey Mother Nature. Go fly a kite.

249 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

He swung and missed..uh-oh.

250 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

crap

251 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

why have all the strikeouts been on hanging cutters or whatever that is?

252 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

That was Arod's first swing and a miss since the ALDS.

253 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

First swing and a miss for Alex?

254 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

Lee is dealing.

255 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

Jesus.

256 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

Trouble.
Troubletroubletrouble.

257 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:33 pm

[247] Yeah, but he's hitting the corners.

258 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:34 pm

It's easy to say from a seat in front of the TV, but these pitches do not look good from Lee.

259 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:34 pm

he's working so fast, slow him down a bit

260 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:34 pm

Looks like good whale hunting weather...

261 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:34 pm

Eek. Either I need a new TV or it's raining pretty good.

262 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:35 pm

Lee pitches up very effectively. the breaking stuff starts up and finishes down.

263 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:35 pm

Nice hitting, Jorgie.

264 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:35 pm

Molina!

265 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:35 pm

Hip-Hip !!!

Let's go Mats!!!

266 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:35 pm

I like watching the World Series through the aft porthole.

267 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:35 pm

Screw the meteorologist. It's raining hard.

268 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:35 pm

lee's a weird guy. i hate that sprint off the mound thing.

269 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:36 pm

I smell an H-Bomb

270 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:36 pm

2-0.

Nice.

271 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:36 pm

Now all of a sudden, the strike zone is getting small.

272 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:36 pm

Right now........

273 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:36 pm

That's a great pitch on 2-0.

274 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:37 pm

[258] I'm sure from the batter's box they look nasty.

275 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:37 pm

If the Yankees could stop swinging at bad pitches, I think they'd do pretty well.

276 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:37 pm

Fuk me.

277 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:37 pm

Terrible swing on strike 2, and then he was helpless on strike 3.

278 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:37 pm

Come on, Frosty.

279 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

[275] The low ones must start out looking good.

280 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

[275] Two balls in a row Matsui hacked at.

281 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

Damn.

Least he gave it a ride.

282 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

I've watched the Yankees layoff better pitches than these...hopefully after the first AB is done, they will take a collective deep breath and resume their normal approach.

283 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

Ok, two solidly hit balls that inning. Moral victory!

284 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

Whaterever douchelord weatherman was on the Yes pregame said the rain was long gone for the night. McCarver's ancestors must have been forecasters before sportscasting was invented. SHITE.

285 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

that last pitch to matsui was pretty nasty. the one before was bad.

286 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

Cano brings his hacktastical ways to his first WS AB. That's OK, the Score Truck is coming round the bend.

287 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:38 pm

Mats looked terrible on strike 3.

at least Robbie gave it a ride.

27 pitches for Lee...

288 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:39 pm

[286] make sure the Score Truck driver knows to only make deliveries in the BOTTOM half of the innings!!!

289 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:41 pm

WTF. Please throw some strikes, CC.

290 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:41 pm

now, i've heard the guys name before - mostly here, methinks - but i have NO clue who the fuck this Jay-Z guy is. i realize he's some rapper/hip-hop guy...

291 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:41 pm

Little unsettling so far...CC doesnt look like CC and the bats dont look like the bats.

292 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:41 pm

Thanks for swinging at that, pal.

293 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:42 pm

Are those empty seats?

294 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:42 pm

[284] i'm so glad "douchelord" has made into the Banter Argot. thanks for using it!

295 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

Why are they throwing fastballs out of the zone on 2-2 to Rollins?

296 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

Pfew!

Atta boy, Melkius!

297 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

MELKOWITZ !!!!!!!!!!!

(exhale)

298 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

Melky!

299 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

eep.

300 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

Melkster!

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301 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

Can o Corn!

302 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

If Sabathia doesn't establish is fastball early, it is going to catch up to him.

303 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

[294] It is pretty good.

304 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

[293] In RF upper deck? That's a temporary press area...because they designed a zillion dollar stadium with fewer seats and, apparently, insufficient room for the press during the PS.

305 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:44 pm

That should've been strike one!

306 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:44 pm

Melky scared me just a bit there, but it's all good now.

307 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:44 pm

Another breaking pitch early in the count...this makes me believe that CC doesn't like his fastball tonight, which means he is going to need a lot of guts and some Phillie impatience to get through this one tonight.

308 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:45 pm

[304] They did that in the old Stadium too.

309 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:45 pm

[304] No, visitor's dugout way.

Two out.

310 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:45 pm

good

311 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:45 pm

First real good fastball of the night from CC.

312 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:45 pm

Alright, now let's try this "pitch to the #3 hitter before Howard bats" thing again.

313 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:46 pm

[307] i think he's having trouble gripping it or something because it has some weird extra movement almost like a 2 seamer

314 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:46 pm

[309] Those people have access to an all you can eat gourmet restuarant. I am sure many will retreat to it in the rain.

315 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:46 pm

He's all breakng ball tonight. Makes me nervous.

316 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:47 pm

Open your gd eyes, blue. Where'd the strike zone go?

317 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:47 pm

[308] Yep, in the old stadium built in 1923---before there were armies of press---and yet it still accommodated over 55,000 fans for the PS---they did the same thing.

318 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:47 pm

prime time for CCs 1st K

319 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:48 pm

why not throw that changeup in to utley? he'll swing right over it.

320 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:48 pm

[309] Sorry, I wasn't sure which empty seats during the WS you were talking about... : (

321 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:48 pm

[317] No...the new old Stadium...the one remodeled in 1976.

322 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:48 pm

Good pitch.

323 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:48 pm

What is his out pitch?

324 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:48 pm

Utley is making him work.

325 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:49 pm

CC's at 51 pitches

326 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:49 pm

Utley & Howard are scaring the crap out of me..

327 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:50 pm

[323] Doesn't appear to have one, does he?

328 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:50 pm

[321] The one that was made up of 75% the same substructure as the one 1923? The one that still held over 55,000 fans despite sacrificing some for the press? That 1976 stadium?

329 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:50 pm

I got to think that CC is pitching the opposite way he pitched to the Phils last postseason when he was with the Brewers. Damnit Utley. Just make out.

330 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:50 pm

Fuckfuckfuckfuck.

331 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:50 pm

where was that?? High???

332 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm

Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck.

333 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm

Frak!

334 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm

Whoops...NYS gives and NYS takes away...

335 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm

Fuck you Utley.

336 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm

[328] The seating was completely remodeled. Besides, it's irrelevant. The Yankees designed a stadium to accomodate the capacity they wanted for 162 games...not to accomodate the press in the post season.

337 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm

Not worried.

338 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm

jesus fucking christ.

what's wrong w/ CC tonight???? : /

339 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:51 pm

[327] Shit. When I mean out pitch. I don't mean out of the ballpark.

340 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:52 pm

shit

341 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:52 pm

CC isn't going to be dominant...he has NO fastball command. He needs to really grind this one out and the bats need to stop swinging at everything.

342 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:52 pm

Settle down, Big Man, settle down.

343 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:52 pm

So who's first out of the pen. Aceves?

344 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:52 pm

Yankee BP is going to have to win this one.

345 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:52 pm

At this point, you might be looking at CC for 6 and then hope Hughes is over his hiccup.

346 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

[326] Yes, it was completely remodlled, and yet still held 56,000+ for the regular season and 55,000+ for the PS. And yes, the Yankees designed the new stadium to hold as many as they wanted for the regular season...about 49,000 fans.

347 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

Well done, CC, well done.

Very nice recovery.

Build from there...

348 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

Where has that been?

349 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

well, if it takes a solo hr to get cc focused, that's fine. we're still in this.

350 Yankee Mama   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

Ok. Found his fastball.

351 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

finally... a strikeout.

let's get that run back quick... and then some!

352 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

We can get that run back with one swing of the bat.

(please let me be a baseball analyst)

353 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

Well now he's loose. I sincerely hope Swisher doesn't kill himself TRYING to hit Lee. Oy.

354 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:53 pm

ahh, takes giving up a solo shot to get cc to throw hard strikes, eh?

355 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:54 pm

[345] Yep, especially if they want him to go three times. If he can wriggle through six innings only giving up a run or two, it will be somewhat a success. Whatever the case, the bats need to wake up.

356 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:55 pm

58 pitches thru 3

357 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:55 pm

[346] Right, so it wasn't an oversight or a poor investment. Whether one likes it or not is another thing. Also, the point about the old Stadium is that even with a 56K capacity they still used the Upper Deck for overflow, so building this one with the same seating would have mad no difference.

358 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:55 pm

[352] Hey, it's my turn:

If the Yankees don't score a run, they will hav a tough time coming back in this game.

How was that?

359 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:56 pm

[357] Exactly...it was not an oversight. It was by design, which has been (part of) my point all along.

360 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:56 pm

c'mon Swish!

361 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:56 pm

[358] Heh heh hehe.

362 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:57 pm

[358] Pretty good.

363 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:57 pm

not what i had in mind, Nick...

364 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:57 pm

I am getting close to wanting to pull the plug on Swisher.

365 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:57 pm

Son of a bitch.

366 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:58 pm

[364] Who is in your OF?

367 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:58 pm

[357] Stadium is that even with a 56K capacity they still used the Upper Deck for overflow, so building this one with the same seating would have mad no difference.

That makes no sense. The overflow for the press has nothing to do with teh seating, but with the accommodations for the press. One would think that a brand spanking new stadium would be designed to accommodate the press better, so that precious seats would not have to sacrificed. But then, when you design a stadium in the biggest market, with the biggest demand, with 6000 fewer seats and another 1500 behind a restaurant, and then carve out more for the overflow press...well, I guess you don;t think of those seats as precious.

368 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:58 pm

[366] Gardner against Pedro might not be so bad.

369 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:58 pm

this is quickly becoming infuriating.

370 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:58 pm

[358] Can I play? "If Cliff Lee gets strike outs, he will really limit the damage this Yankee offense can do"

371 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:59 pm

These ABs are awful...I am not willing to credit Lee because the pitches being swung at don't look very good.

372 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:59 pm

[369] It's be infuriating since Jeter's K.

373 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:59 pm

Hell yes, Derek!

374 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:59 pm

OK, that makes up for it.

375 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:59 pm

Atta boy Jeter. Now a shot of JD.

376 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:59 pm

i love my Captain!!!

wonder if he coulda made 3rd. werth has a very good arm though...

let's go Johnny!

377 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 8:59 pm

Nice work, Jeter. Now Johnny with the two out base hit??

378 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:00 pm

Nice short swing, Johnny.

379 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:00 pm

Jerek Leter is McCarver's favorite player.

380 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:00 pm

[377] That would be nice.

381 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:00 pm

Damon should have launched that pitch!!

382 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:00 pm

[371] i think it's in his delivery

383 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

What kind of swing was that Johnny?

384 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

Dear Johnny,

Lay off the curve down and away.

love,
Yankee fans everywhere

385 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

Don't waste Jeter's AB, Damon. For God's sake!

386 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

[371] I don't know, he's got a lot of movement, a good assortment, and pretty good location.

He looks pretty tough to me.

387 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

And then he swings at that garbage.

388 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

[288] Sorry about that...I forgot to get the Score Truck driver the memo.

389 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

Close. C'est la vie.

390 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

boooooooooooooooooooooo to the swing on 1-1. One bed shitter.

391 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

FUCK! Almost.

392 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

JD looks terrible against Lee

393 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

[370] LOL!

394 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm

Fuck.

395 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:02 pm

[386] If you let 84 mph pitches with no movement go by, then yes, he does look pretty tough.

Good pitching beats good hitting, but this has been bad hitting, which has no chance.

396 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:02 pm

The Score Truck is making its way slowly to the stadium, so CC has to lock them down from here on out. I say he gets warmed up this inning!

397 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:04 pm

Lee won the Cy int he AL..he's a good pitcher. Let's drive up the pitch count and get to that craptacular Philly bullpen?

398 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:05 pm

[395] Yeah, maybe. I think you're seeing something I'm not seeing.

I don't give a RAT'S ASS who's in the house.

399 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:06 pm

Good job, CC.

400 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:07 pm

At least Girardi does know what Lee is doing...getting ahead and then going up. Now, the Yankees have to sit on the early strike and try to lay off the high stuff.

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401 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:07 pm

Prediction: A-Rod will lay off the off-speed away stuff and drive the ball in next AB. Double to right-center

402 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:08 pm

True OldTale:
It was Oct 2, 1978, and my wife's family had it's biggest family get together since the kids left home.

Me and wifey; Brother #1: his wife and 2 kids; brother #2: and his son; and of course, the Inlaws (who paid for it all). We are having a feast in a fancy restaurant somewhere near Crested Butte, Colorado.

In a way, I'm glad I have a legitimate excuse to miss the game, as the tension would have killed me. Getting the score afterwards may have been the cowards way out, but I was under enough stress as it was. Late, after a long night of eating, drinking and arguing, I go out to my rental car for a smoke and to hear the news.

I find the station, tune in, but it's JUST after the bottom of the 8th starts. I have to stay the inning to get the score. Needless to say, after hearing the score, I MUST listen to the 9th. Freezing, I turn on the car, and turn the heat up to full blast. After what seemed like a month of tension and sphinter squeezing, Yaz flies out, and I am euphoric.

I saunter back into the restaurant, back to the family table... some 45 minutes after I left. I take my seat... sweating, flushed, with a victorious shit-eating grin on my face.

I don't have the vocabulary to express the look on my father-in-law's face.
My mother-in-law actually had a weird little smile on her face.
My 2 sister-in-laws were literally drop-jawed.
My 2 brother-in-laws were grinning ear to ear.
There was silience for quite a while.
At the time, I really didn't get it.
(Were they not Yankee fans?)

403 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:08 pm

There you go, Big Man...

404 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:08 pm

Ibanez did go after the 52-footer.

405 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:08 pm

nice hook, CC !!!

406 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:08 pm

OH, yes!

Now he's dealing.

407 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:08 pm

[401] I like your predictions!

408 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:08 pm

Beautiful pitch.

409 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:09 pm

Sit down, Raul. So says Uncle Charlie. Whoo-hoo.

410 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:09 pm

[404] Like Werth, that's a product of throwing a 95 mph fastball for strikes. The Yankees, however, are taking fat pitches in the mid-80s and then swinging at balls either in the dirt or high. Lee isn't really setting them up as much as getting ahead and then seeing if they will chase.

411 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:10 pm

Good work, CC.

412 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:10 pm

Better late than never...

413 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:10 pm

Now, Tex has to get going. The Yankees need him in this series. He can't have another .500 OPS.

414 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:11 pm

much better inning, very large man!

71 pitches thru 4.

[402] Crusted Butt !!!

415 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:11 pm

[410] Need to get him third time through the order... faster...

416 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:11 pm

[402] Very nice, OYF, very nice. Thanks for sharing that.

417 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:12 pm

[415] Right...this is also the same exact strategy that Pavano used, which is kind of troubling.

418 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:13 pm

CC was a little ragged, but otherwise he has been his typical awesome self...I sure hope they don't lose on a 320 foot pop fly.

419 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:13 pm

let's make Lee WORK this inning.

please!!!

420 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:13 pm

[410] They've been doing that all postseason. It's worrying to say the least.

421 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:14 pm

You can't let that pitch go!!

422 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:14 pm

[418] i wouldn't mind if they tied it on one though

423 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:14 pm

that was ball 3

424 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:14 pm

[423] Yup. WTF?

425 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:14 pm

On queue, Tex takes a BP fastball and then goes out of the zone. That's not good pitching...it's very bad hitting.

426 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:14 pm

goddamn motherfucker!!! : /

427 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:15 pm

what's hard to understand is that they're swinging through pitches that are high 80s right down the middle or up and over the plate.

428 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:15 pm

[425] Cue or queue...both are appropriate.

429 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:15 pm

Alex is lunging.

430 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:15 pm

I've never seen so many 84 mph straight pitches taken for a strike.

431 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:16 pm

[428] i figured it was all that time you spent in London!

432 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:16 pm

[427] There's late break on those pitches. Plus, he's moving the ball around very effectively.

433 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:16 pm

[114] Strikes!

434 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:17 pm

oh dear. : (

435 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:17 pm

This is both embarrassing and infuriating. And fucking bullshit to boot.

436 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:17 pm

Oy!

437 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:17 pm

Plus, I'm guessing that goofy curve is in the back of their minds.

438 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:17 pm

This is brutal.

439 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:18 pm

Man... Lee's location is nasty.

440 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:18 pm

I'm off to hang myself from a beam in my garage with an orange extension cord.

BRB

441 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:19 pm

Jorge is the only hitter who is looking to go the other way...again...this is so much like the Pavano game.

442 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:19 pm

[437] i don't know, as goofy as it is it has to be easy to recognize. i think it's just the change of speeds and his deceptive delivery. look how long he keeps his arm hidden before delivering.

443 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:20 pm

Goddamn.

444 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:20 pm

OMG

this is just awful.

445 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:20 pm

Grumblety grumble grumble.

446 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:20 pm

The Yankees are shitting the bed.

447 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:20 pm

L.A.M.E.

448 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:20 pm

My prediction failed..Tex & A-Rod heading towards the Golden Sombrero...

449 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:20 pm

It feels like we're getting killed, but it's only ONE run (on 2 hits).
Only 56 pitches for Lee.

450 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:20 pm

Hey gang.

My power went out at 7:30. Had to drive seven miles to a bar (I live in the boonies). Kind of wish Utley's power had gone out instead.

Back in business now, let's hope the Yankees follow suit.

451 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:21 pm

CC needs to make this another quick 1-2-3 inning.

452 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:21 pm

[442] You're probably right, which might account for him not using it too much. The change of speeds really does seem effective. Haven't noticed the delivery, I'll keep my eyes open.

453 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:21 pm

Maybe everyone should just sit on the changeup for a while?

454 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:21 pm

If CC can hold them down, the Yankees will be fine. Lee will not throw a complete game

455 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:22 pm

[450] Good you're here, RI, sorry about your power. You won't freeze or anything?

456 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:22 pm

[453] You mean the 84 mph one he keeps throwing right over the plate for strike one?

457 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:22 pm

CC at 71-41 thru 4.

458 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:22 pm

[454] That's what I'm thinking...they have to make him work some, at least throw four or five pitches per AB (easier said than done).

459 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:23 pm

[456] Obviously, our boys are looking for heat.

460 Horace Clarke Era   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:23 pm

Jeez, that's a change up. Won the Cy with that pitch. Can't even wear him out and get into the bullpen, because he doesn't walk anyone. Can't even BLAME anyone yet (though I'm sure if I scroll up the thread it is happening!)

Hang tough. CC is solid, too.

461 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:24 pm

OHHH, hot damn!

462 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:24 pm

Oh, my power is back now. I knew it wouldn't be long, but, you know, I couldn't wait it out!

463 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:24 pm

[458] They can't really do that because he is throwing hittable pitches for strike one. They need to make him change that first.

[459] They should realize by now that they aren't going to get it.

464 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:24 pm

[457] That's not too bad, all things considered. he's right on pace for seven innings. It's the other guy that worries me!

465 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:25 pm

[460] i agree. right now, lee is just fooling them by working quickly and changing speeds. sometimes it looks like these pitches are hittable, but lee's pitches always look hittable, yet he's been nearly unhittable for 2 years.

466 Horace Clarke Era   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:25 pm

[463] No, he's mostly throwing his version of heat. Alex had a change, 5 fast balls, then down on the change.

467 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:25 pm

So is Cliff Lee the absolute best pitcher in baseball now?

468 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:25 pm

Two out.

469 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:26 pm

I figure this is one of those third-time-through situations. So I guess that would mean the fifth will suck again, but the sixth is going to be our inning.

470 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:26 pm

The weather looks JUST lousy at YS. Can't be fun to play in these conditions.

471 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:26 pm

Damn, has this entire PS been played in rain and snow...except for in Minnesota? It sure seems like it.

472 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:26 pm

[467] He's the best pitcher tonight, in any case...at least so far.

473 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:27 pm

oooh, wicked pitch

474 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:27 pm

Nice work, Very Large Man.

(Isn't that Derek's ball, though?)

475 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:27 pm

Looks like CC is warmed up now.

Man, the Utley dinger was a real YS2 special, wasn't it? I mean, he did tag it, but still.

476 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:28 pm

You really can't complain, CC has really pitched on guts and only given up a short porch HR...

477 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:28 pm

[450] hey buddy! glad you're here : )

good work CC!

478 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:28 pm

I love how on every pop-up to ARod, he always looks for Jeter... in hopes Jete's got the ball?

479 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:28 pm

I hear the Score Truck comin'
It's rollin' 'round the bend,
And I ain't seen the sunshine,
Since, I don't know when...

480 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:28 pm

[467] glad you're here, too!

481 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:28 pm

[477] Yep, I'm here, time to get the party started.

482 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:29 pm

CC is a true ace..not his best stuff and only 2 hits given up to a great lineup.

483 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:29 pm

Ok let me get this straight...I press this button and get a million dollars and Cliff Lee's arm falls off?

484 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:29 pm

[460] Hey WELCOME! (Things must be really bad).

485 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:30 pm

[481] Hope it's a nice bar. The MLB Cafe here, unbelievably, is NOT open for the live game..only replay at night.

486 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:31 pm

Ok, that was a hittable pitch to Matsui.

487 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:31 pm

whats that crap on the bill of his hat?

488 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:31 pm

Matsui looks all kinds of bad against Lee.

489 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:31 pm

[485] No, sorry, I didn't make it clear: I'm back home. (I don't bring my laptop to bars.) And my power is on. And everything's going to be fine now...

490 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:32 pm

Wow...that was close.

491 NickL   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:32 pm

just dominating, dominating stuff: every pitch sequence different, guys guessing or looking helpless--and that 3-2 change to Alex was particularly vile....

492 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:32 pm

[488] But redemption is sweet.

493 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:32 pm

Wow!

A hit! A palpable hit!

494 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

Here we go - I hear the Score Truck comin' down the road!

495 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

There ya go.
See how easy? Do it, Rob.

496 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

Too soon for a pinch runner?

497 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

[487] it's on the back of his hat, too. looks chalky. maybe extra rosin?

great job 'Deki !!!

498 NickL   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

but Hideki hangs in there!

499 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

YES!!!!!!!!!!|
MAT-------------SU-----------------IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

500 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

May I just suggest that Girardi pull a Casey Stengel and pitch run for Matsui with Gardner now?

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501 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

Robbie had a nice swing last time up.

502 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

[491] I agree.

503 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm

NO DP HERE CANO!!!

504 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

[496][500] Ha-ha..I thought the same thing.

505 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

Oh, Frosty.

Ffs.

506 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

What? Really? He went?

SHRUG.

507 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

bull fucking shit!!!

508 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

WHAT???

509 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY!

510 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

And here we have the random check swing call.

511 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

No, he didn't.

512 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

FUCK YOU UmP !!! C

513 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:35 pm

That's a fucking infield fly.

Bullshit.

514 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:35 pm

shoot the 3rd base ump in the crotch.

515 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:35 pm

Smart play by Rollins, but isn't that an infield fly rule scenario?

516 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:35 pm

Uh.

Uh oh.

517 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:35 pm

More fucking bullshit. booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

518 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:35 pm

We're fucked.

519 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

Oh, Christ almighty.

This is not good.

520 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

[513] Dude, it can't be an IF unless there are two on!

521 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

Cripes. Is catching with the glove on the ground a catch in the air?

522 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

Weird ass play. Another case for instant replay.

523 joe   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

What the hell is going on?

524 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

It's a DP. Let's see if they get it right.

525 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

[520] Are you sure?

526 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

they're going to correct this

527 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

No infield fly with only one man on.
We're fucked.
DP.

528 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:36 pm

complete crap. this sucks.

529 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

What a meeting of the fucking minds.

Isn't this precisely why the infield fly was invented?

530 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

fucking double play, I knew it.

531 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

I think for infield fly there have to be runners on first & second.

532 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

Fug. Correct call, though.

I dunno, it was tough for Matsui. He could tell what happened at short.

533 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

Matsui HAS to go back to 1st base. What can it hurt?

534 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

No idea what's going on, Gameday is frozen..details please!

535 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

He tagged out Matsui....fucking bullshit!!

536 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

[520] [527] Really??? Wow, I never noticed that before.

537 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:37 pm

[525] Completely sure.

538 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:38 pm

That's just shameful...for Matsui to wander off the bag is simply awful. The Yankees do not exactly look prepared to be playing in the World Series.

539 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:38 pm

damn waste of a leadoff hit

540 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:38 pm

How many pitches does Sandy Koufax have now?

541 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:38 pm

Horse.

Fucking.

Shit.

542 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:38 pm

double fuck

543 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:38 pm

I still CANT FUCKING BELIEVE that check swing call. Atta boy Swish. You've got those pop ups down cold.

544 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:39 pm

Well, that sucked. Still, one run is nothing.

And of course since all we've heard about is the offense, we have a classic pitchers' duel.

The sooner the Yanks get into the Phillies' bullpen, the better.

545 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:39 pm

[537] Yep, just checked...you're correct. I wonder why? I guess the thinking is that the runner will make it to first if the IF drops the ball, so there is not the same DP peril as when you have two men on.

546 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:39 pm

Please, someone breifly describe what happened there..line-out to Rollins and he caught Matsui napping??

547 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:40 pm

[538] The only defense of Matsui--was he fooled by the 2B umpire? Did he call out on the ball on the fly, or on the throw to second?

548 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:40 pm

[539] Yes it's early, yes you risk losing the DH later (or keeping Gritner at DH), but Lee's so dam good that's why I wanted the Yanks to pinch run for Matsui there; steal second; let Cano bunt him over and you've got two outs to score him.

If anyone thinks that's a horseshit idea, that's fine, but I'd rather have a good shot at 1-1 and lose Matsui, than be trailing 1-0

549 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:40 pm

[545] The IF fly is to protect the runners by not allowing the fielders to drop the ball and turn a DP. With only a man on first, they can't do this because the batter should be running to first.

550 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:40 pm

[534] Rollins tried to short hop the ball, actually caught it, retiring Cano, and Matsui was caught off base, thinking he had been retired when Rollins stepped on second.

Double play.

551 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:40 pm

[545] Yes, that's it. The danger of a too-easy DP is only if you can get two runners. So there have to be two runners forced, i.e., first and second base occupied (and fewer than two outs).

552 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:40 pm

The problem on that play was that the umpire at second ruled Matsui was out, so there was no incentive for him to run back to the bag because he was incorrectly ruled out on a force to second! If the ump had ruled it as a catch as it happened, in theory he would've tried to run back to the bag. Granted, maybe the throw isn't wide if it the ball doesn't go to second first.

553 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:40 pm

[545] Correct. Especially if the pop up is higher. That was more of a soft line drive.

554 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:41 pm

[547] How could he be? He was signaling out very clearly. There is no excuse. Braindead plays like that send you down 0-1.

555 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:41 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infield_Fly_Rule

"The infield fly rule applies only when there are fewer than two outs, and there is a force play at third or home (runners on first and second base, or bases loaded)."

rule 6.05e

556 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:41 pm

[547] There was NO throw to 2nd.

557 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:41 pm

[549] Ahhh, yes, the batter is running anyway, so there's no deception going on. That makes sense.

558 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:41 pm

[552] Exactly.

559 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:42 pm

[548] That's a bad idea :)

560 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:42 pm

That play really illustrated what william was saying a few days ago about the problems with instant replay in baseball.

561 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:42 pm

This is going to be a very tough inning for CC.

562 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:42 pm

Walking Barbarino is NOT the way to start CC.

563 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:42 pm

Lee's at 69 pitches with 4 innings to go....He's going to throw a complete game and CC will go 7 (most likely).

564 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:42 pm

[556] Wait... was there a throw to 2nd? I thought Rollins made the throw to first.

565 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:42 pm

[552] but the ball did go to 2nd. if the umpire ruled matsui out at 2nd, he should not have been afterwards called out on 1st. but i think the umpire made the correct call (that cano was out), which is why i'm not sure why there was any confusion.

566 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:43 pm

[556] Wasn't there? I'm pretty sure he either threw to second or stepped on the bag, feigning the DP.

567 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:43 pm

thanks, Weeping.

Lee is going to throw a CG at this rate..we may be down 1-0...

568 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:43 pm

[559] Ok but when we lose 1-0 check back with me...We're not going to score any runs off Cliff Lee without manufacturing them.

569 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:44 pm

[552] That isn't what the umpire ruled at all...he clearly indicated a raised fist, which is an out on the catch. Otherwise, he gives a safe sign and then points to second and pumps his fist for an out on the force. The ump raised his fist clearly. Matsui should have known to return to the bag.

570 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:44 pm

[566] I thought he stepped on the bag.

571 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:44 pm

If CC can pitch into the 7th without giving up any more runs, the Yankees are winning this game.

572 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:44 pm

Well, the entire play was a clusterfuck. I don't think Matsui was really brain dead, he was caught between the old rock and hard place. Cano jogging didn't help matters.

573 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:44 pm

Somebody with TIVO tell us if there was a play at 2nd on that play.

574 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:45 pm

Rollins caught it & stepped on second. Matsui probably thought it was a short hop, ump only called out after Rollins touched second. I think it would have been a DP either way, no harm no foul to me. Just one of those weird plays that happens in baseball.

575 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:45 pm

Fuck that man can hit. How the FUCK did he get to that?

576 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:45 pm

[568] Perhaps you are right, but I'm not convinced that bunting-stealing in that situation actually increased teh chances of scoring much. In any case, if Lee throws a CG, there will be at least one more chance to employ Garder.

577 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:45 pm

MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!

578 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:45 pm

ballgame....

579 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:45 pm

Oh, man. That kid is good. Shit.

580 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:45 pm

[568] It's 2-0 now.

581 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:45 pm

SHIT!!!!!!

582 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

Fudge.

583 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

FUCK NOOOOOO!!!!! : (

584 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

Did I mention that you should expect Utley to increase the XBH output?

sorry, hate to do that

585 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

Now I really will hang myself.

586 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

[571] And he can't... :-(

587 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

That's on CC. Hmm, he busted me on an inside fastball last time. I'll try it again. boo

588 tommyl   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

[552] Has it right. The second base umpire very, very clearly first points to the bag and then to Matsui while calling the out. Thus, Matsui stopped running. He wasn't confused, he was CALLED OUT. That's like in football, whistling a play dead, somebody picks up the ball, runs into the endzone and on replay they realize they shouldn't have called the play, so...lets give the guy a touchdown! What?!

589 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

Well, the Phillies have someone who showed up to play. Do the Yankees?

590 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

OK - now I think its appropriate - fuck a goat.

/ms october

591 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

sigh

592 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

Dude's hands are hanging all over the plate. A dusting off is really in order.

593 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

[576] "mute" point now anyway...a 2-0 deficit to Cliff Lee is like a 7-0 lead for mortal pitchers.

594 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:46 pm

[569] Ah, didn't realize about the raised fist out call. Still, I'm not going to be to hard on Matsui there.

595 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:47 pm

That might be enough. Hmpf.

596 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:47 pm

utley sportin' the pat riley hairdo

597 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:47 pm

[588] That's not what I saw at all. To my view, the ump clearly indicated an out on the catch.

598 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:47 pm

Rollins stepped on 2nd base before throwing to first. FWIW.

599 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:47 pm

[590] Where is she, anyway?

600 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:48 pm

[584] then don't.

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601 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:48 pm

There's no 'dusting off' Utley. He'll let you hit him.

602 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:48 pm

[597] i thought so too. but then why were the umps confused at all?

603 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:48 pm

The difference in this game is Utely has swung at a few donw the middle pitches, while several Yankees have not.

604 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:48 pm

[599] work. i thought she was only gonna miss the 1st hour. bad traffic, maybe...

605 rob_smith_51   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:48 pm

Dear Yankees,

We can hit solo homers, too!

Love,
The Phillies

606 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:49 pm

[602] I think they figured they would discuss before rendering a final decision.

607 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:49 pm

good job comin' back. let's get outta this and get the pinstriped Score Truck in drive

608 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:49 pm

[601] Well good...then he's not circling the bases.

609 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:49 pm

I love it when announcers start talking about how a guy is a throwback and blah blah blah. How many guys don't show up to play everyday? I'm guessing it's the same as it always has been, basically. Baseball was good then, baseball is good now. We are in a hundred-year plus golden age.

610 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:50 pm

Utley's hair is making me just as sick as his 2 homeruns. : /

611 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:50 pm

[597] Are you guys going from memory or watching a replay? And did Rollins step on or throw to 2nd base? I thought not.

612 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:50 pm

[606] You're too generous, I think. They were confused (that's why the 1B ump called Cano safe at 1B), and they are under intense pressure to look good after fucking up so much in the ALDS and ALCS.

613 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:50 pm

Pat Riley, good call thealarmis. I knew I had seen that look somewhere!

614 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:51 pm

[611] From seeing the replay several times...he stepped on 2B.

615 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:51 pm

it's just slipping away....

616 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:51 pm

philly fans are pretty bold to be coming here up 2-0 in game 1

617 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:51 pm

[613] Aw crap, I messed your name up. I know better.

618 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:51 pm

[611] Memory of the couple replays they showed. He definitely stepped on 2nd before throwing to 1st.

619 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:52 pm

[612] He called him safe because he was...the first base umpire can't be focused on the 2B umpire. He has to make the call assuming the ball is live.

620 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:52 pm

[609] Are you including Manny in that "How many guys don’t show up to play everyday? "

621 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:52 pm

[620] Baseball has always had flakes, nothing new there.

622 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:53 pm

[606] then shouldn't it have taken about 2 seconds?

623 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:53 pm

Let's talk bullpen moves. If it's 2-0 going to the seventh, who's the first reliever into the game? (I think CC doesn't have a whole lot left.)

624 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:53 pm

After reading his biography, Babe Ruth most certainly did not show up to play everyday.

625 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:53 pm

I'm not worried

626 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:53 pm

[619] But how does he know who he is calling safe, and why? If Howard tagged Matsui but Cano crossed 1B, would he have signaled out or safe? And wouldn't Matsui's safeness depend on what happened at 2B?

627 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:54 pm

[610] not a fan of the dippity-do either.
Still anybody's game. Sabbathia's holding his own despite some trouble finding the zone.

628 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:54 pm

No Sarah Lee references. That's why we haven't scored. Let's go fellas!!!

629 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:54 pm

[623] I'd probably go to Hughes if they feel he's solved his "rushing" problem.

630 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:55 pm

[622] Not really. I am sure they were discussing whether it was in fact caught or not. If yes, it is a DP. If not, Cano stays at 2B. Perhaps one umpire thought it bounced, but two or more thought otherwise? They may have had a little debate.

631 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:55 pm

hi team - so fuck chutley huh - hopefully the score truck is ready to go now

632 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:55 pm

[623] CC's out of the equation. The issue is how long Lee stays in the game---if he goes CG, it's gonna be tough to score no matter what the Yankees' BP does.

633 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:56 pm

2d base ump must have not had a view of the ball on that Rollins play. Definitely thought it was a short hop and called the force at second. In all seriousness, though, I thought Howard held the bag until the ball hit his glove at first. Should have been a DP even if it was a short hop.

634 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:56 pm

[632] HAVE to chase Lee, otherwise it's down 1-0..he's too good tonight.

635 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:56 pm

[629] Hughes is good for this situation, yes. I agree.

636 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:56 pm

[626] The umpire should make a call on any runner being tagged by a fielder unless he knows exactly what the situation is.

637 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

Maybe Bruney? We're already down & Lee is dealing.

Only positive is that Lidge will be on for the ninth.

638 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

[632] Wait, so, you think it doesn't matter who the relief pitcher for the Yankees is??
That can't be what you meant to say.

639 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

Come on Melky.

640 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

Lee or no Lee, 2 runs is nothing to this team. A comeback or no comeback here will set the tone for the series.

641 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

[633] that's not the question because it wasn't a short hop. question is whether matsui was fooled into being off the bag because the umpire fucked up. if so, that seems unfair. see tommyl's football analogy [588].

642 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

These umps are FUCKING KILLING ME.

643 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

I believe we're fucked....Lee can locate better than anyone I've seen in a long time.

644 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

Melky showing some frustration.

645 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

[617] cliff lee is messing up my life...

646 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

[637] That was uncalled for..you will hurt MattPat's feelings...(where is he anyway? did he get tix?)

647 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:57 pm

[637] If we go down further, it's a good time to break in Bruney, so to speak. At 2-0 the leverage is still too high for Bruney.

648 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:58 pm

[637] If Lee keeps dealing, I'd stick with him over Lidge. I hope Manuel thinks differently!

649 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:58 pm

[641] I'd love nothing more than to have something to complain about, but I think the 2B umpire did everything right.

650 NickL   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:58 pm

the difference in this game is that Cliff Lee has not missed his spots in the strike zone AT ALL.

651 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:58 pm

Remember that time the Yankees scored less than 4 runs in this post-season? Yeah me neither.

652 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:58 pm

Lee is going to throw a CG if the Yankees keep having clueless ABs. This game isn't about how long Lee will last, but whether or not the Yankee batters wake up.

653 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

[641] nevermind i get it now. but you're wrong, his foot was not on the bag.

654 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

Here we go, third time through...

655 NickL   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

william, this is not some anonymous RHP getting lucky; if you combine Ks and weak pop-ups, you've basically accounted for all of our outs....

656 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

[631] yay!

657 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

[631] Ahh, there you are.

Right on, Derek!

658 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

Ah, Jeter!

659 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

There we go Jete.

660 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

[654] You are wise beyond years, sir.

661 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 9:59 pm

that's my captain!

should he steal?

662 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:00 pm

WE MUST STEAL HERE

663 jeaner   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:00 pm

now a rbi please

664 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:00 pm

I wish I had more faith in Johnny.

665 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:00 pm

[656] [657] hi guys

that was a nice shot back up the middle for the cap

666 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:00 pm

[660] As a matter of fact I am, though you're not in a position to know it because you don't know how many years I have.

667 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:01 pm

[665] Good, you're here.
Park the truck right along side the baseline, but please keep it idling and ready to go.

668 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:01 pm

Make him work, Johnny...make him work...

669 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:01 pm

[641] - no argument. clearly godzuki thought he was already out based on teh ump's call. doesn't make the hitter safe.

670 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:01 pm

STEEEEEEEEEEEALLLLLLLLL PLEEEEEEEEEEASE

671 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:01 pm

why are you swinging at that?!?!?!?!

672 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:01 pm

[666] That should've been my comment...after all I am Evil.

673 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:02 pm

[649] i agree, but others seem to indicate that on replay he made the wrong call (out at 2nd instead of a catch). if so, then it isn't fair for matsui to be called out, as he presumably would have made it back to 1st had the 2b ump made the right call.

674 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:02 pm

Oh, FUCK!!

Hit that ball!

675 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:02 pm

[666] Unless you are infinitely wise!

676 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:02 pm

Utley hit that pitch in the 2nd deck. FUCK.

677 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:02 pm

That was Damon's pitch there.

678 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:02 pm

start fouling a bunch off jd

679 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

[675] I think you're in a position to rule that out.

680 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Good, keep that shit up, Johnny. A hundred pitches, if necessary.

681 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Over/under on RIYank being 55 or older?

682 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

OH, FUCK YOU, LEE!

683 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

damn that was laissez faire

684 RagingTartabull   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

oh for fuck's sake

685 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

[672] but i am Satan.

fuck you, timmay

686 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Aw freakin' jeez!

687 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Lee is a little confident, eh? Or maybe just comfortable.

688 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

No DP this time. That's a good thing, I guess.
.
.
.
Now I would definitely send Jeter.

689 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:03 pm

that man looks resigned to going the distance

690 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

[681] Under, he knows contemporary music too well to be over 55.

691 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

I'm glad we're good at parking people on first base tonight we no thought of stealing.

692 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

I REALLY liked the way Damon watched that 2-1 meatball go right by him. Thing of beauty.

693 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

McCarver's laugh is just awful.

Come on Teix.

694 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

Come on, Teix, fucking make a mark!

695 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

That Damon AB illustrates the Yankees poor approach. Jeter gets ahead 2--0 and hits a pitch down the middle. Damon gets ahead 2-0 and starts swinging at pitches that aren't strikes.

Lee is pitching well in that he is allowing the Yankees to have bad ABs.

696 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

[681] my guess is more like 45.

697 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

[690] Ah, but my wisdom...
Then again there's my youthful exuberance.
Tough call.

698 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:04 pm

Glad to see Teix is showing up again. Ugh.

699 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:05 pm

Ok, I've had enough of this shit.

I've had enough.

700 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:05 pm

[693] he has a bionic throat - it is no surprise

so this has been the loop for 6 innings?

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701 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:05 pm

i hate this game.

702 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:05 pm

Lee got behind two hitters 2-0...made extremely hittable pitches to all of them, and only one hit the ball hard (not got a hit, but hit it hard).

I am not willing to give him credit for getting away with 2-0 meatballs.

703 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:05 pm

[700] Yes, this and worse. The first five contained many swinging strikeouts.

704 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:05 pm

[695] Yep, Damon blew that entire inning not hammering that pitch down the middle on 2-1

705 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:06 pm

[702] Three hitters.

706 NickL   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:06 pm

Amazingly weak contact from our guys in hitter's counts...

707 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:07 pm

I'm not an expert- would Damon's 2 for 22 coming in versus Lee be a significant enough sample size? Maybe he should've been moved down in this case? I dunno.

708 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:07 pm

[704] AND he swung at a 2-0 pitch that was way up and in. Spooked himself. DAMNIT.

709 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:08 pm

Tex definitely seems to be suffering from tightness. His ABs have been so out of sorts all playoff long. We finally lose the Arod can't hit in the post season albatross, but now it looks like we'll pick up one on Tex.

710 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:08 pm

This shit is untakeable.

711 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:08 pm

Teix better get on base for Alex's homer in the bottom, that's all I can say.

712 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:08 pm

Lee is at 86 pitches through 6 innings....in checking his game log this year, he regularly pitched in the 110's and had four games in the 120's....We need someone to go up there and foul off 10 pitches and run that fucking count up. FUCK

713 NickL   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:08 pm

but William, I don't see any meatballs. He's working consistently at the top of the strike zone with the fastball, which few pitchers do these days, and there's nothing down the middle--

I don't like seeing CC here. Why not bring in Hughes clean with nobody on?

714 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:08 pm

Oh, jeez, I missed Teixeira's at-bat.
I'm getting dizzy.

715 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:09 pm

wow, CC still in. shouldn't we be looking ahead to him starting on short rest?

716 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:09 pm

[711] you'll be sorely disappointed

717 rob_smith_51   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:09 pm

I would have started Hughes in the inning. If he does come in, there will be men on base.

718 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:09 pm

[714] i'm dizzy hungry.

719 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:09 pm

[711] The bottom of the 9th?

720 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:09 pm

[713] I don't want to force my opinion on you, but I do see meatballs....Damon and Tex just had one each.

721 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:09 pm

leavign in CC??

722 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:09 pm

[707] He's 2-22, but remember that Lee's been a much much better pitcher the last couple of years...there are a number of Yanks (e.g., Tex and to a lesser extent Arod) who have good numbers off him but I suspect those numbers were generated when Lee wasn't quite as good a pitcher.

723 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

christ almighty

724 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

Fuck.

Me.

725 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

he's falling off the mound

726 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

Hold em down Big Fella. If all else fails we'll have the top of the order in the 9th. Hopefull they won't have to bat at all in the 9th. Walking Francisco is a fineable offense.

727 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

Needed that.

728 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

that was cool

729 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

Alex is hot.

Nicely turned, team.

730 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

that was a nice treat

731 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

[717] I didn't realize he already had 110 pitches. Had he started the inning with, say, 100 pitches, I would have stayed with CC. But in this case, i agree with you.

Is CC done now with two outs?

732 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:11 pm

I don't have a big problem with letting CC pitch this inning. Pulling him is tantamount to surrender.

733 rob_smith_51   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:11 pm

Is Lee pitching in game 4? If so, I wonder if Charlie will consider that?

734 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

I feel we should just let A-Rod and Derek play, take everyone else off the field and out of the line-up.

735 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

[732] I agree...even though the ABs don't inspire confidence, there is still luck. Getting one more from CC was very important.

736 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

OK, Hughes for the 8th. Bring back CC for game 4.

737 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

Well done CC..2 runs over 7IP, well done.

738 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

[733] Not yet determined. Charlie will make that call when the time comes.

739 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

[732] I'm just thinking about game 4 and three days rest. Plus, is it surrender to go with Hughes down 2-0? i know he's scuffled, but he is still one of the relief aces.

740 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

ball must be very wet - those weren't alex like throws

[733] big mystery as to whom is pitching game 4 for either team

741 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

Well done, Big Man. Well done.

Please, runs.

Maybe dispatch needs to get some palms greased or something before they can send the score truck.

Anyone care to do the greasing?

742 rob_smith_51   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:12 pm

[731] I like when I am wrong.

743 seamus   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:13 pm

looks like i'm live. now we just need our bats to come alive!

744 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:13 pm

I bet Ronan is kicking himself now. Serves the idiot right.

745 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:13 pm

However, there is no way CC pitches the eighth. That would be a very big mistake.

746 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:13 pm

113 pitches thru 7. in-game WHIP of 1.

747 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:13 pm

[720] I'm not seeing meatballs from Cliff Lee. I'm seeing a pitcher who's got the Yanks completely off balance with not only change of speeds but incredible location. You can't take pitches because he'll be up 0-2 instantly and if you swing early it's a 1 pitch out -- at a minimum the hitter isn't hitting the ball square and is popping up.

I don't know the answer. The answer may just be that since Cliff Lee found himself last year he turned himself into the next Sandy Koufax (or Ron Guidry).

Maybe you just send hitters up looking for one pitch -- a change or a fastball or something like that -- and they swing at nothing else.

748 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:14 pm

[740] Was that "whom" a joke??
Old YF did that earlier with "whomever". Is there some joke here I'm missing??

749 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:14 pm

[737] Yup. CC did his job. Lee's just been off the charts.

750 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:14 pm

[734] That would be awesome. I can just see it: A-Rod batting with Jeter on 2B and ghostie runner on 3B. Do you walk him and bring up Jeter again, or go after him?

751 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:14 pm

CC was excellent....2 runs in 7 innings with an early lack of command is really good. Sadly, the hitters haven't had the same bear down approach. Maybe the Yankees can remove Matsui and just let CC swing the bat too.

752 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:14 pm

[739] "Surrender" may have been hyperbole. We much-wiser-than-we-are-old people do that.

753 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:15 pm

[748] i did mine on purpose in response to you asking oyf about his use

754 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:15 pm

[751] Clearly right.

755 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:15 pm

[739] I thought Phil was only allowed to pitch the 8th?

Just curious: Is anyone having buyer's remorse about not pinch running Matsui with no outs in the 5th?

756 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:16 pm

[755] no

757 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:16 pm

[748] i dunno, but william got two nice "of which" "to whom" type jokes in last night, while we were bashing Timmay's new CD. he speaks like that, so maybe it is a joke. you need to ask whomever it concerns.

758 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:16 pm

[755] Nope.

759 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:16 pm

[755] No. Save it for this inning!

760 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:17 pm

[755] Absolutely not!

761 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:17 pm

Runs...

762 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:17 pm

[753] Whew. Then I do get it!

763 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:18 pm

No, I'm glad Matsui will be up again. He can always turn on one.

764 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:18 pm

C''mon. Just 2 good things in a row to happen and all will be right in the world again. Eat shit McCarver.

765 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:18 pm

Come on Rod.

766 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:18 pm

joe buck with a "Whom!"

767 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:18 pm

i don't know whom told timmy that a navy blazer with very light khakis is a good look for him but it's not

768 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:18 pm

[755] Not me, as things developed. I consider it to be the equivalent of a man just off first and there's a screaming liner to the 1B, who catches it and steps on first. Sometimes shit happens.

769 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:19 pm

[767] His best look was the one Deion Sanders gave him.

770 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:19 pm

By the way, Lee faced the Yanks twice this season, 6 innings and 1 run and 6 innings and 3 runs...while those are good games, they're nothing as good as this game.

771 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:19 pm

Lead the way, Po.

772 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:19 pm

this SUCKS!!!

773 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:19 pm

What I do have buyer's remorse about---well, not buyer's remorse, but some kind of discomfort---is that the Yankees don't have any credible RH bat on the bench. And I know that they didn't really have any options, but still...

774 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:19 pm

alright po - drive one here

775 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:19 pm

[733] Lee is dealing. Manuel will manage to win this game. My personal assumption is that Lee won't pitch game 4 unless the Phils are down 3-0.

776 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:20 pm

If the Yankees really can't handle Cliff Lee, then they don't deserve to win this World Series.

777 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:20 pm

Fucking curve.

[747] That's what I'm seeing too.

778 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:20 pm

[769] haha - yes - that was a great moments

779 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:20 pm

Announcers are so easily amused. Who cares about that "phantom pitch?"

780 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:20 pm

Now, if Posada gets on base, a Grdner appearance becomes an intriguing question.

781 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:21 pm

oh NOOOOO!!!!

this is fucking brutal

782 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:21 pm

Luckily Po spared us the anxiety of that decision.

783 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:21 pm

Oh, mother of God.

(That reminded me of the last out of 2003, btw.)

784 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:21 pm

Please, Mat!

785 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:21 pm

This game was already feeling like that Beckett clincher in 2003, and then THAT had to happen!

786 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:21 pm

[776] i have had a hard time believing cliff lee is this good too william - but maybe he is - his command has become phenomenal in the last year or so

787 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:21 pm

Sigh.

788 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:22 pm

We'll get him in the 8th, I'm pretty sure.

789 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:22 pm

[776] You say that like Cliff Lee is Bronson Arroyo or something.

790 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:22 pm

$$%$#$$%#%$%#%#%#%#%#$%#%#%@%@%@%@%@%@%#^

791 matt b   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:22 pm

[776] You make Cliff Lee sound like some hack. He's a top-notch pitcher having a great night. It happens.

792 tommyl   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:22 pm

[776] Yeah, how could they not handle the 2008 Cy Young winner and one of the best pitchers of the last few years, when his stuff is completely on. Freakin' bums.

793 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:22 pm

who in the goddamn fuck is this fucking cocksucker!!!

DIAF!!!

794 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:22 pm

I'm sure what's happening is that there's something particularly deceptive about his delivery. I can't see it, but that's the only explanation I can think of. Our batters just seem to be fooled most of the time -- almost all the time.

795 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:22 pm

This has now become a flat out embarassing performance. Swings like this wouldn't be acceptable in Spring Training. I really didn't expect this lineup to be intimidated like this.

796 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:23 pm

hughesy in

797 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:23 pm

matt b., I hope you enjoyed Game Six of the ALCS. You went to that one, right?

798 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:23 pm

[785] jorgie's last AB reminded me of that too...

799 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:24 pm

What did they give up for Lee again? Freaking bargain.

800 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:24 pm

[773] Well, I do wish we'd pinch run back in the 5th personally. I know that Tim McCarver won't talk about that, and I don't expect any other reporters to mention it either. I realize it's thinking way outside the box.

And maybe it's wrong. Maybe Gardner gets picked off, thrown out at 2nd, or he's stranded at 2nd or Cano can't bunt him to 3rd and the next 2 players K.

But hell, Casey Stengel used to do shit like that and he won a lot, so what the hell?

I just wish that Girardi would give it consideration in the 5th when Lee is rocking along. I am positive he'd do it in the 9th...but isn't doing it in the 5th somewhat like bringing your closer in in the 7th in the highest leverage situation possible so that you can get to the 9th with a lead or tie?

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801 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:25 pm

Not over yet! Where's Bob Taco with some optimism? We could use some right now!

802 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:25 pm

Come on, Philip. Get it together right here.

803 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:25 pm

[789] He isn't so dominant a pitcher that you can't actually make solid contact, and he hasn't been pinpoint. This is more on the hitters than on Lee. If he can do this well, then guys like Pedro and Blanton become more scary.

804 matt b   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:26 pm

[797] I did and I did, thoroughly! We must be in the same twitter-sphere.

805 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:26 pm

Just let the dog out here in Toledo, I could hear the cursing coming from Cleveland.

806 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:26 pm

[803] He might not always hit his spots, but he's missing to good spots- if that makes sense. The only one that really bugged me was the 2-1 to Damon.

807 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:26 pm

and now buck's one skill of recognizing foul balls quickly has evaporated as well

808 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:27 pm

Uh oh. Marte.

809 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:27 pm

[799] they got him for nothing.....Yanks would have had to pay much more because: (1) they're in the AL; and (2) they're the Yanks, but I wish we'd just paid.

810 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:27 pm

[800] But hell, Casey Stengel used to do shit like that and he won a lot, so what the hell?

When Casey did that, he had no DH in the lineup and carried only 8 or 9 pitchers. So you could PH and PR more often. The Yankees have basically one PR bullet and one PH bullet (Hinske, only against RHP).

811 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:27 pm

[803] I ain't scared of no Pedro. I look forward to the Yankees being his daddy again.

812 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

Back to the curve, Phil...

813 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

[804] Oh, no, I just remember that you said it here. I think you said you felt guilty about feeling pleased that the Yanks couldn't take Game Five...

Oh, Phil.

814 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

[808] he's like our outfielders i think - scary but somehow effective

815 matt b   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

[803] Those guys are not in Lee's class (well not *anymore* for Pedro). This is the one Phillie pitcher who scares me and he's illustrating why tonight.

816 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

Phil's still overthrowing.

817 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

Atta boy, Phil!

818 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

Nooooo!!

819 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

oh how i love leadoff walks from our bullpen. esp to a fast guy.

FUCK!!! : /

820 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

Well, Hughes walked Rollins. That is not a good sign.

821 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

Great let's walk a guy with an OBP of .296 this season.

822 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:28 pm

The night gets worse...Hughes looks like he has self destructed. He can not throw a fastball for a strike.

The outlook for this World Series is getting bleak.

823 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:29 pm

ugh phil- please do not completely turn into starter phil

824 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:29 pm

Jeebus, Phil. Bruney coulda done that.

825 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:29 pm

Take out Phil, please.

826 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:29 pm

What the hell happened to Hughes? Lights out in the second half, crumbles in the postseason. Someone explain this to me.

827 yankintexas   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:29 pm

Is Coke dead?

828 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:30 pm

[810] I agree with you, but it's about recognizing "this guy is dealing and this is our BEST chance to score"...hey if we're tied 1-1 then you can wait him out anyway.

829 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:30 pm

I would just like to say that bunting here is a very, very bad move.

830 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:30 pm

[821] Great let’s walk a guy with an OBP of .296 this season.

That's funny...but not in the ha-ha kind of way.

[822] The outlook for this World Series is getting bleak.

Fortunately the Banter crowd is not prone to overreaction.

831 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:30 pm

Robertson getting warm?

832 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

[826] He looks scared...in early returns, the Phillies definitely have the swagger. The Yankees have looked timid. I guess that makes sense because not many Yankees have been to a WS.

833 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

Ladies and Gents,

The 2009 Yankee season now rests on the shoulders of none other than A.J. Burnett

834 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

Oh, where the fuck was that???

835 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

two young homegrown kids who are, at this point, failed starters and two other young, homegrown kids and that's an "embarrassment of riches"?

fuck you, joe buck

836 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

[828] Guys can go from dealing to lit up fast by the Yankees though. But seeing Matsui's alter at bat, maybe you were right :)

837 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

Phil, remember how good you are.

838 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

That was very predictable.

839 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:31 pm

Why are they setting up on the outside corner? Hughes used to throw the ball right down the middle for a strike.

840 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:32 pm

[830] what's funny about it? Rollins did have a .296 OBP this year and Phil Hughes did walk him?

841 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:32 pm

[830] Overreaction? HA!

We just declare that the Serious is over in spots like this, that the Yanks have lost. No overreaction by us, no sir!

/snark

As for Hughes having trouble, kid pitchers have trouble! Relievers go through rough patches! These things happen.

Still not worried.

842 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:32 pm

[832] He does look a little shaken.

843 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:32 pm

[830] If Hughes is going to be unusable and the Yankees can't even square the ball of Lee, well, then the outlook should be bleak.

844 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

Ha ha, made your steal worthless.

845 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

YES. 2 Walks. Make it extra interesting. Marte v. Chutley. Oh my! : (

846 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

get him the fuck outta there

847 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

I'm going to hang myself.

848 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

[833] Getting an early start on Halloween?

849 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

good lord - so marte in

850 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

That's probably the last time we see Hughes pitch a meaningful inning in this World Series.

851 matt b   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

Wow, I'm amazed at how people are panicking. We haven't even LOST a game yet, and it takes 4 to take it!

852 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

Hughes needs to shave, that's his problem.

I don't get it. He looks terrified.

853 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

[841] I'm pretty worried, myself.

854 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

I want to see that smile wiped off Jimmy rollins's fucking face.

855 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

Phil..................

856 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:33 pm

that second Utley homer really stings..now it will be 3-0 and real tough to come back...

857 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:34 pm

[828] I'm not convinced that was the best chance to score...it may prove to be, but that's a tough call to make in the 5th inning. I actually thought Jeter getting a 1B with 1 out, followed by Johnny, Teix, A-Rod was better chance to score.

Moreover, despite the fallacy of the predetermined outcome and all, I'm not convinced that scoring one run in the 5th would have magically prevented CC from giving up that econd bomb.

Overall, I like your aggressive strategic approach. I just don't think that it was the right move in this particular situation.

858 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:34 pm

I guess it's time to see what Girardi has to neutralize Utley and/or the other lefties.

859 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:34 pm

i think i'm gonna have to get drunk again tonight.

this team is making me go very gray...

860 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:34 pm

Utley hits lefties very well, doesn't he?

861 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:35 pm

[850] At this point Robertson and Joba have performed better, so they should be pitching first...

862 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:35 pm

[853] me too - he has to get straightened out in a week and he looks absolutely awful the last 3 weeks

863 matt b   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:35 pm

I wonder if Phil is hiding/nursing some sort of injury. When a guy goes from lights-out to crap that quickly, I always suspect something like that, and I can see a young guy like him in this spot being afraid to speak up.

864 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:35 pm

[858] Might as well experiment now.

865 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:36 pm

[860] Very, very well.

866 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:36 pm

[851] Overreaction - we live for this!

If I had a $1 for every time a comment declared the ALCS to be over with the Yanks losing it, I would be a very rich man.

[858] Utley is hard to neutralize, lefty or righty, but Howard isn't, by a lefty. Marte and Coke will do just fine there!

867 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:36 pm

Utley hits two home runs off the best lefty starter in the game..and now you bring in MARTE to face him?

868 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:36 pm

[863] yeah quite possible - something is off for sure

869 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:36 pm

[858] Ahhh. Another product of the best farm team in baseball, the Pittsburgh Pirates.

870 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:36 pm

Think Reggie is sweating this AB?

871 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:36 pm

[857] "Overall, I like your aggressive strategic approach. I just don’t think that it was the right move in this particular situation."

BTW my main reason for being aggressive is that I believe Cliff Lee is a stud.

872 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:37 pm

[840] Dude, chill out. I'm agreeing with your sarcasm in the initial post. As in "yeah, GREAT idea to walk the guy with the sub-.300 OBP." ha-ha-ha, in that uncomfortable, not really funny laugh at an ironic and painful set of circumstances.

873 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:37 pm

WALK THE BASES LOADED.

874 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:37 pm

Either Marte gets out of this or makes it clear to Girardi that he should never, ever be used again. I am betting on the latter.

875 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:37 pm

For the record, Hughes has thrown all of 4.7 innings in the postseason so far.

876 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:37 pm

[849] Find a new way to self-destruct. Hanging's mine!

877 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:37 pm

[866] There's definitely a dropoff by Howard against lefties. This year is an outlier, though. He usually has decent power numbers against them. He's been much stronger the last 6 weeks so, pick your poison.

878 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:37 pm

alright let's go marte

879 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:38 pm

neither of those pitches looked even close to me

880 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:38 pm

[874] I dunno, it's not exactly the best spot for Marte. He might be useful even if he's a disaster here.
Look at Utley's splits. He absolutely creams lefties. (As we saw earlier.)

Not that I think Marte ever *should* be used, just sayin'.

881 NickL   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:38 pm

Marte has been a good reliever for a long time; I'm fine with him here. At some point, he has to pitch like his career self.

882 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:38 pm

[875] I think the lack of use (and lack of confidence from Girardi) has definitely fueled his own tentativeness.

883 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:38 pm

that one was pretty nasty though

884 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:38 pm

I really wish we still had Jose Veras...this would definitely be a great time to bring in the Run Fairy.

885 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:38 pm

very nice pitch

886 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:39 pm

OK, that was a nice pitch.

887 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:39 pm

whew.

do it again...NOW!!!

888 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:39 pm

Nasty.

889 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:39 pm

[874] Never going to get rid of him now ;-)

890 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:39 pm

Nice pitch.

891 Sliced Bread   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:39 pm

heh, Po jogs out to the mound to tell Marte he just got a gift from the ump.

Woah! Nice job, Marty!

892 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:39 pm

[877] I agree with you that probably the right numbers to look at are his career numbers against lefties, but still it's a very big dropoff. He goes from murderous to ordinary.

893 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

[884] It's not Halloween yet. Don't tell frightening tales.

894 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

I wonder if the cream Utley has in his hair is similar the stuff Bonds used.

895 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

Evil, sorry about the post at [872], that came out stronger than I wanted, upon re-re-reading.

896 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

Nice play, Swisher. Nice play.

897 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

HE LEFT EARLY!!!!

j/k

898 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

[882] I disagree. Man up. Girardi may not have used him as well as I would have liked, but he certainly showed confidence in him- he was the "8th inning guy!$@^$!@"

899 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

marte has not been an unmitigated disaster in the ps

900 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

OK, TAKE MARTE OUT NOW!!!

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901 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

See, William, *this* is the kind of thing that worries me! Now Joe thinks Marte can get great lefties out.

902 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

[874] Given the 3 years remaining on his contract, and that AJ should not be allowed to pitch to Howard past the 6th tomorrow unless the Yanks are up big - you're going to see Marte again. And deservedly so!

Marte!

[869] You do know Marte was originally drafted by the Mariners, and signed as a minor league free agent by the Yanks, before being traded to the Pirates in 2001 for Enrique Wilson, don't you?

Duh, Timmeh - Werth kills LHP, don't you know?

903 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:40 pm

Lee is at 95 pitches...He could very well throw a complete game here with 120 pitches...That being said, if they want him to pitch 3 times I would think that they'd want to keep him at 110 so the 8th might be his last inning.

Let's hope so

904 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:41 pm

Let's end it here and score some runs.

905 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:41 pm

Marte did a great job...have to give him credit here.

Also, credit to Joe for going to Robertson, who is always a better option when a BB doesn't kill you.

906 Sliced Bread   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:41 pm

[899] veteranocity strikes again

907 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:42 pm

Wow David Robertson in a high leverage situation!

908 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:43 pm

This is, obviously, a big batter. Maybe the Yanks wriggle out of this jam, and maybe, maybe, maybe Lee starts to weaken a little tiny bit as he approaches the magic number (100 pitches).

909 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:43 pm

[904] I would LOVE to score a couple off Lee -- maybe a YS cheapie....Man that would be sweet..but we've got Cano, Swish, Melky coming on, so I don't think that's going to happen.

910 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:43 pm

Come on Dave.

911 OldYanksFan   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:43 pm

Marte has been our best reliever outside of Mo.
(Queue Twilight Zone music).

912 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:43 pm

[907] without being the last man in the bullpen

913 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:43 pm

Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

914 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:43 pm

[908] dude I hope you are right

915 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

I can't even remember when Roberston last pitched.

916 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

I'm dreaming of a Lidge in the ninth. Can you say "walk off"?

917 The Mick536   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

Not a real good game. Yankees have not shown up. Over throwing and swinging. Boring banter, too.

918 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

Ok, if Swish gets on hopefully Gardner pinch runs.

919 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

[911] No love for Robertson? Or waiting for this at bat to wrap up?

920 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

[911] no, this guy has been.

where in the hell was that pitch?

921 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

Ummm, where were the last two pitches?

922 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

oh, where was THAT you stupid fucker????

923 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

Lee has been getting that pitch all game.

924 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

[902] nope. didn't recall that. that stops him from being a product of hte Pirates, how? Top flight AAAA club. Give 'em some credit.

925 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

Hooooooo boy.
Butterflies in the bullpen.

926 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:44 pm

Ok So Robertson walks Werth, Joe pulls him and we never see Robertson again.

927 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

Un.

Fucking.

Believable.

928 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

And that's the problem with Robertson....time for Cokey!!

929 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

[911] terrifying..

930 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

[915[ When Aceves was put in for him I think.

Where was that pitch called ball 3?

931 matt b   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

Wow that was a bad call. Oh well.

932 Shaun P.   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

Werth does not hit RHP well: .256/.348/.457 this year, .252/ .347/.423 career.

This ump sucks. Bring on the computers!

Oh, and Ibanez does not scare me.

933 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

Wow, Robertson got a little screwed there, I thought.

934 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

If you're not going to call strikes that are right down the middle WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT?

935 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

Wait...no Cokey for the Ibanez? Wow...that's a big mistake here, especially after a 4-pitch walk.

936 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

[908] how about this monkeypant --- long 8th inning with runners getting on and a pitching change...maybe Lee loses it.

937 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

Some shitty calls there... go get 'em kid.

938 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:45 pm

Mo time please???

939 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

Nice sarcastic cheer for the asshole ump.

940 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

A derisive cheer from the crowd!

941 51cq24   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

[923] as has sabathia

942 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

(Sorry, I guess I kind of miss the big goofy lug.)

943 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

just throw strikes drob - you'll get him

944 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

sweet pitch to go 1-2

945 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

is Mattpat at the game, or something?!

946 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

Whine on, Raul

947 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

Posada's catching style has to cost Yankee pitchers strikes.

948 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

[936] Why not! I'll take anything right now!

949 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:47 pm

that was a little low
Phils load the bases and strand 'em as much as anyone in MLB. That said, I like a team that loads the bases alot.

950 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:47 pm

Oh Jesus, don't run him full.

951 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:47 pm

[935] he didn't throw 4 balls though...

952 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:47 pm

Don't go full. Don't go full.Don't go full.Don't go full.Don't go full.Don't go full.Don't go full.

953 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

Cocksucker.

954 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

Game over.

955 felix holt   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

Now that's really the game.

956 Hugh Mulcahy   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

A bleeder

957 ms october   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

shit - definitely fuck a goat in the ass

958 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

now it is official

959 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

[801] There's the ballgame

960 thelarmis   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

and there ya have it. that's it.

game over.

i should leave and go eat now...

961 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

Well, that's that.

962 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

Fug.
I feel bad for Dave. He didn't pitch that badly.

963 rbj   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

Goddammit! That was on the home plate ump! Fuck you, blue.

964 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

damn babip bad luck

965 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

You could see that coming from a mile away. Not making Ibanez face the lefty was a HUGE mistake. If the Yankees had any chance, they have given it away.

966 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:48 pm

Good pitch too. Found a hole.

967 randym77   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:49 pm

Y'know...our bullpen kinda sucks. I don't doubt we have a lot of talent in the pen, but right now, there's no one I really trust except Mo.

968 unmoderated   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:49 pm

WALKS! grr

969 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:49 pm

still 6 outs to go...we just need to get Lee out of the game!

970 JeremyM   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:49 pm

[965] Really william? A lucky bleeder and you want Coke in there?

971 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:50 pm

It's not over.

972 Bobtaco   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:50 pm

Walks kill.

Now watch the Yankees score 3.

973 Evil Empire   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:50 pm

The Phillies are now 3-1 at Yankee Stadium.

FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

974 Just Fair   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:50 pm

Freak out over. Thanks Phil. D'oh!

975 weeping for brunnhilde   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm

All right, all right. We weren't going to sweep this puppy, so whatever.
Tomorrow.

976 Rich   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm

[970] is right. That was totally a lucky hit.

977 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm

I don't mind that Girardi stayed with Robertson, who is arguably his best reliever now not named Mo, especially with the RH bats coming up. And he didn't pitch badly--didn't get some close calls and gave up a 59 hopper through the hole.

978 williamnyy23   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm

I stand corrected...as he has gotten older, Ibanez has actually hit better against lefties, so Robertson was probably the better option.

979 RIYank   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm

I wonder if this means Joba is promoted for Game Two.

980 matt b   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm

[965] That ball wasn't some screaming line drive - as [964] said - babip bad luck. Like I said about Lee's great night - it happens. Robertson suffered from an atrocious call and a ball that found a hole.
I have a feeling this isn't our night folks, but we will win this Series.

981 monkeypants   ~  Oct 28, 2009 10:52 pm

[962] I just hope this doesn't lead to exile to end the bench in the BP.