"A New York Treasure" --Village Voice

Rumble in the Bronx

All season long it’s been Yanks-Rays, Rays-Yanks. Now, the two teams play four games in the Bronx. First place is at stake.

This is what it is all about. And that’s word to Joe Torre.

Never mind the preamble:

Let’s Go Yan-Kees!

[Photo Credit: Joe Conzo Jr]

Categories:  Bronx Banter  Game Thread  Yankees

Tags:  joe conzo jr  Tampa Bay Rays

Share: Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share via email %PRINT_TEXT


Show/Hide Comments 1-100
1 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:14 pm

David Wells is back.

2 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:15 pm

gonna throw it out there...its all a bit much

3 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:19 pm

oooooh no...not a fan

4 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:19 pm

those eyes are spooky .... like marbles

5 RagingTartabull   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:22 pm

I think its a wonderful thought, and he deserves it. But that thing is tacky.

6 Diane Firstman   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:24 pm


As long as they don't put it on a t-shirt and sell it ...

7 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:24 pm

What an impressive monument and ceremony.

8 Matt Blankman   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:28 pm

That monument is just too big. I guess it's fitting.

Does anyone ever talk about Jacob Ruppert anymore? Seems to me he needs to go into the HOF before George does.

9 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:31 pm

[8] Considering the man, too big seems just right.

Great point about Ruppert. He built the brand that George restored. Both belong in the Hall of Fame. No reason they shouldn't go in together.

10 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:34 pm

[9] "Both belong in the Hall of Fame. No reason they shouldn’t go in together."

I just signed in to type those very words.

Its a shame, to me, the number of owners, executives, and for lack of a better term, "pioneers" (with Marvin Miller at the top of the list), who should be in the Hall of Fame but aren't.

[7] I also have to ask, who got the biggest cheer, Torre or Donnie Baseball? I understand there was a friendly wager over this point. ;)

11 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:36 pm

[10] Unfortunately, there were no annoucements (which was as it should be), so we'll probably never know.

12 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:40 pm

[12] I agree that for George's sake, no announcements was a good idea. But it would be nice if somehow during the 7th inning, or right after the game, the PA could shout out a quick 'Welcome' to Joe and Donnie.

13 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:41 pm

[12] I think they'll be on a plane by that point.

14 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 7:44 pm

Good start for Nova.

15 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:00 pm

The biggest monument? Centered among all? Shouldn't Lou, Babe, Joe, Mick, Thurman et al be the center of attention?

16 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:05 pm

Am I the only one who finds Selig completely unsympathetic and thoroughly irritating?

17 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:06 pm

[16] No. Though I think he's not 100% bad. Wild card is a good idea.

18 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:07 pm

[16] [17] I have grown a little warmer toward Selig, but I don't think I can ever forgive him for denigrating the game as a means to his end of contraction as well as authorizing the ridiculous Mitchell Report.

19 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:09 pm

[17] I'm not talking about his ideas (though I admit that I dislike every change that he has introduced), but the man himself. The sound of his voice makes my teeth itch.

20 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:12 pm

[19] Oh yeah. He reminds me of a cadaver.

21 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:16 pm

[16] No.

[17] [18] He certainly has done some good, or is at least credited with such, but on the whole, I'm still not a fan. To the extent that Selig is, fairly or not, the "public" face of the entity that is MLB, he's not a great spokesperson. Or maybe I'm unfairly associating him with the stigma of a used car dealer, which, of course, he once was. But I still can't get over canned garbage like the All-Star game where he completely interrupted play to honor Ripken and Gwynn. The intent was nice, and as is usually true of Selig, his genuine love of baseball does shine through a little, but the orchestration, the execution, the timing, was dumb dumb dumb. So was contraction, the Mitchell Report, the shutdown in '94, the All-Star Game tie, "This Time It Counts", interleague play, and so on and so forth.

In fact, I think that's a fitting epitaph for Selig's tenure as commissioner: "He loved the game, and changed it a lot, but the way he usually did things was dumb dumb dumb."

22 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:20 pm

[21] Agree with a lot of what you said, but I think part of Selig's charm to me is his lack of it. Selig loves baseball period. I'd rather have that be the defining characteristic of my commissioner than being a savy spokesman. The NFL has shied away from the former (Rozelle) toward the later, and I think that transition has been to the detriment of the game.

23 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:22 pm

[22] Up here in Canadia, most folks are of course hockey fans, and they seem to despise Gary Bettman.

24 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:22 pm

Yikes, what a shot.

25 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:23 pm


26 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:23 pm

Granderson! Can he be all we expected at just the right time?

27 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:23 pm

I always knew Curtis would look good in Pinstripes. He'd be pushing 30 homers if he stayed healthy this year.

28 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:24 pm

[23] Shutting down your national pastime for a whole season tends to do that.

29 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:24 pm

[23] Another good example. Bettman is a basketball guy. Does he love hockey? I don't know. I think you shouldn't have to ask that question about a sports commissioner.

30 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:25 pm

Except Bud just talked about how Instant Replay would kill the pace of the game, totally ignoring that if done properly, it would not only be non-intrusive, but actually speed up the game.

I agree that bud is dumb dumb dumb, verging on idiot idiot idiot.
(P.S. 'This time it counts' is a totally moronic idea.)

31 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:26 pm

[22] As was once written of the so-called "stats vs scouts" debate, and with no offense intended, "My answer is the same it would be if someone asked me: "Beer or tacos?" Both, you fool. Why construct an either-or scenario where none need exist?"

I don't see why a guy can't be a savvy spokesperson AND love the game, period.

Like Rozelle, come to think of it! Or David Stern.

32 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:27 pm

[30] It was a dumb reason, but I think there are many good reasons to avoid replay.

33 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:29 pm

Weighing on Selig. He has overstayed his tenure, and it's time for a change. The Wild Card and Interleague play have turned out to be wildly successful. I'll give him that.

But the Mitchell Report, not destroying the initial drug testing as promised, the contraction threat were all not "in the interest of the game". The game should have banned PEDs and just started testing, not drag it out to be the circus it became.

34 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:29 pm

Quick inning. More, please.

35 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:30 pm

[31] Yes, both would be nice, but I think finding such candidates is easier said than done. Rozelle and Stern were lifers in their sport who also happened to present desireable images to the public.

Who is that in baseball now?

36 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:33 pm

[35] I wonder if a good candidate could be found from outside immediate baseball circles, especially not another owner.

37 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:33 pm

[35] Joe Morgan!! :)

38 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:34 pm

Joe Morgna is a dingaling as an announcer, but would someone like him necessarily make a bad commissioner? Probably yes, but I wonder...

39 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:37 pm

Love that popcorn shot.

40 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:38 pm

[39] Yep. Always struck me as a great, authentic throwback moment...you could imagine the Babe (or at least a romanticized version of the Babe) doing something like that.

41 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:40 pm

Interleague play wildly successful? Oh, I dunno about that...

42 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:41 pm

Trivia answer; Hunter, Gossage, Niekro, Perry.

43 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:41 pm

[36] I'd be willing to consider the job if offered it.

44 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:41 pm

The fifth inning...

45 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:42 pm

I thought Uberroth was a good Commissioner. I would've liked to see how Giamatti's tenure would've turned out.

46 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:43 pm

[44] four pitches. Very nice.

47 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:44 pm

5 pitch inning, 4 pitch inning, now I want a 3 pitch inning.

48 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:44 pm

This Nova kid...I like the cut of his jib.

49 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:44 pm

[37,38] My eyes are bleeding from that suggestion. Oy.
Hey, Nova has captured his white whale. At least 5.......

50 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:45 pm

[33] [41] If you add the caveat, "When it happens during weekend series on sunny days in June in cities with historical rivalries", then perhaps yes. Otherwise, no. I'd be happy to see it go.

[35] Well, we really don't know, because outside of Selig, the only other MLB executives I've even seen or heard are Bob Dupuy (ugh), Rob Manfred (maybe?), and Jaime Lee Soloman (nah). There have got to be other folks . . . and perhaps one of them could.

monkeypants, wasn't Paul Beeston considered a good presence when he was in Toronto?

Meanwhile, I wish I was home to see this game, not stuck in the office working . . .

51 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:45 pm

[45] Uberroth was a good business man, but he was a big part of the owners and players distrust. The collusion that occurred during his tenure was an awful moment in the game's history.

52 cult of basebaal   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:45 pm

So far, a super start for Nova ...

53 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:46 pm

I think William should be the next Commish! Let's start the campaign.

54 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:46 pm

[45] Giamatti would have been a great commissioner, IMHO. His loss was a great one for the game, especially because it gave us Faye Vincent.

55 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:47 pm

[50] Regarding Beeston: yes, he was.

56 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:51 pm

I really like this ".333/.444/.381/.825 over the last seven days" Jeter.

57 Shaun P.   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:52 pm

[54] He was a great "face", to be sure, but I wonder just what he would have done. I'm not sure we can know for sure, though I'd like to think he would have been awesome.

[55] That would make him another possibility as the "good face and loves the game" commish. He's another owner's guy, but let's be honest, that's what the commish is now.

OK, time for Tex et al to break this open!

58 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:54 pm

Rats. Just missed it.

59 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:54 pm

Well not a granny but it does get a run in.

60 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:55 pm

[51] Collusion was an unfortunate event, but to be honest, I think the recent salary correction was more in line with what Ubie had in mind. As I remember it, Ubie was fairly contemptuous towards the owners.

61 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:56 pm

Make them pay, Nick.

62 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:57 pm

Not even close.

63 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:58 pm

Maddon the genuis strikes again.

64 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:58 pm

Dammit...too much base clogging. This could come back to bite them on the ass.

65 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 8:59 pm

[63] Who you calling genuis, genius? Whoops.

66 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:00 pm

[57] An owner's guy? I don't know about that. Give me an intelligent, articulate man who is passionate about baseball, and I'll take my chances with him as a commissioner.

67 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:03 pm

[60] Collusion occurred at a time when players were underpaid, so there was no reason for there to be a correction. Uberoth's hand was all over the collusion fiasco, and that really set back baseball's labor relations.

68 cult of basebaal   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:06 pm

What in the HELL gets into Nova in the 5th or 6th inning.


69 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:08 pm

[67] IIRC, the owners were complaining about salary structure, Uberroth told them to stop complaining, since they were the ones signing the players. I'm comparing the collusion of the 80's to the recent salary corrections from the past couple of offseasons where owners haven't been falling all over themselves to sign players for whatever reason.

Had teams opened their books, or had they been a little more reasonable, the 94 strike could've been avoided.

70 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:08 pm

[67] Underpaid relative to what?

71 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:08 pm

Ruh Roh.

72 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:08 pm

This is fucking ridiculous. Goddamnit!

73 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:10 pm


74 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:10 pm

Cervelli finds a new way to contribute.

75 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:10 pm


76 cult of basebaal   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:11 pm

Oh for FUCK'S sake.

77 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:11 pm

[69] If my memory is correct, it was Uberoth leading the owners and not the other way around.

78 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:11 pm

[66] Bush Jr? I mean, can ya waive intelligent and articulate?

79 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:12 pm

[74] Someone alert Bob Timmerman!

80 Alex Belth   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:12 pm

I'd like to think of George right now....Yanks winning but him plenty pissed at the way this inning is going.

81 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:14 pm

Ummm...so why pull Nova now?

82 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:15 pm

[80] After the CI, the Boss would have been standing in his Boss complaining to whomever would listen.

83 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:16 pm

[81] Lefties coming up now.

84 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:17 pm


85 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:17 pm

[83] Yes, but it is only the sixth inning, starter with 79 pitches, not hit hard this inning. I would have let him go one or two batters more.

Ah, bloop base hit renders the discussion "mute".

86 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:19 pm

Well this inning has gone to hell.

87 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:20 pm

What did Selig say about baseball being a game of pacing? This inning has been excruciating.

88 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:21 pm

The Yankees have been playing bad baseball lately. Sometimes when you take the foot off the gas, you can't accelerate it again.

89 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:22 pm

[86] In a nice big shiny handbasket. Oh, and now Gaudin? This doesn't paint a pretty picture.

90 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:22 pm

Ah, OK, so THAT is what the LOOGY is supposed to do: clear the patch of lefties in the lineup!

91 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:23 pm

Chad Gaudin? Is this another battle we are losing to win the war?

92 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:23 pm

Of course now, with bases loaded we get Gaudin. In this case, i would have employed one of the real relievers. Oh well, lets see how this turns out.

93 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:23 pm

[90] In fairness, two of the batters should have been outs. Logan did his job that inning.

94 Alex Belth   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:24 pm

Chad Gaudin?!?!?!

95 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:25 pm

Gaudin? Really?

96 JeremyM   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:25 pm

Gaudin? This is a joke right?

97 cult of basebaal   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:26 pm

Chad Gaudin?

Chad FUCKING Gaudin???

98 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:26 pm

Girardi's managing as been absolutely defiant of late...as if he is thumbing his note at the critics.

99 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:26 pm


I am so sick of this guy, it's ridiculous.

It's been obvious that I've completely had it with him over the last two months, but this is yet another unforgivable managerial screw job.

You lucked out to high heaven getting Nova through the 5th. So what do you do? Do you have guys ready from both side, and watch Nova batter to batter, knowing that this is uncharted territory. NO. NO, YOU LET THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME GET OUT OF CONTROL and then you pull your damn thumb out of your ass.

And then you bring in fucking Chad Gaudin, in what is so obviously the biggest spot in the game.

Chad Fucking Gaudin - and guess what his biggest problem is? His propensity to walk batters is only slightly higher than his propensity to suck.


100 randym77   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:27 pm

Some nights, you play bullpen roulette, and there's a round in every chamber.

Show/Hide Comments 101-192
101 JeremyM   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:27 pm

In tribute to Steinbrenner, I vote they fire Girardi mid-inning. This losing the battle to win the war has turned into a parody.

102 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:27 pm


103 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:28 pm

So just to make sure, Girardi pulled his starter at 79 pitches, with two outs, a man on third, two run lead in the sixth.

104 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:28 pm

[99] Don't be coy. Tell us how you really feel.

105 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:28 pm

[100] No, Randy, that is not what happened here. This is brutal managing.

And now Gaudin is going to walk a fucking second run in.

You're a moron, Girardi. A MORON.

106 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:30 pm

Don't ya' just love 30 minute 1/2 innings. booooooooooo

107 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:30 pm

And Gaudin lowers his 5.28 ERA...well done!!

108 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:32 pm

[101] That is exactly it. Pull that beautiful Yankee jacket off his freaking back (give it to me, I've coveted one for years) and fire his ass on the spot.

That inning is one of the worst jobs of managing I have ever seen. This is not second guessing. I promise you, 100 times out of 100 times, I have two functional relievers from both sides waiting on Nova for each batter of the sixth.

That's just fucking incompetence and I refuse to make excuses for this braying donkey any longer. I'm sick of the postgame reconstruction where this guy was out or this guy wasn't quite right or this guy was being saved for this or whatever - it's all bullshit. Every time it's simply incompetence.


109 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:33 pm

OK, Brett, now stand there!!!!

110 JeremyM   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:35 pm

I'm tired of hearing "this game doesn't matter." Yes, home field advantage is small in baseball, but it does matter. Sabathia is better in the Stadium for one. The more potential starts he gets there, the better. Plus, I'm not a huge believer in the light switch theory. I know you can't push 1000% to win everything game like in the playoffs, but come on.

111 seamus   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:36 pm

[110] who said the game didn't matter?

112 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:36 pm

Coffe Joe wants everyone puzzled.

113 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:36 pm

Was that a...play?!?

114 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:36 pm

Chessmaster strikes again.

115 JeremyM   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:38 pm

[111] In general I mean. Sorry, I read it on another game feed and vented here :)

116 seamus   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:38 pm


117 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:38 pm

Yes Cap'n! Gusty by Frankie.

118 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:39 pm

Amazing! Atta boy, Captain. Frankie's psyched.

119 seamus   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:39 pm

[115] lol ok.

120 cult of basebaal   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:39 pm

Well, so far, the bottom of this inning has been as good as the top of it was bad.

121 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:39 pm

Yep, I do like the "last seven days" version of Jeter. Where have you been all season, cap'n?

122 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:41 pm

Frankie flopping-sliding into 3B looks really funny in super-duper-slo-mo.

123 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:44 pm

I hate that I get this angry, but at a certain point, you gotta tell it how it is. And that point for me is utter incompetence.

If anyone cares, I would think it's always been clear that I am not a fan of second-guessing everything that happens in a game. Much in baseball is debatable, being in the majors is so inequivalent to any experience most of us have had, and my biggest pet peeve about excessive complaining: sometimes the other guys just do better.

So I save it up until I see something that I think is beyond debate, the way I felt about Torre's management of the bullpen and some of the other ridiculous things he did.

And that is how I feel about not being prepared to deal with Nova in both the 5th and the 6th in a game you have to try to win. The damn Rays just kicked your teeth in and Maddon went for the throat in that series. Maddon just pulled his own pants down and embarrassed himself by setting up a walked in run. You must take Nova batter to batter. You must have the right people ready. Anything else is unacceptable.

124 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:44 pm

Anyone remember "The Best of Times" with Kurt Russell and Robin Wiliams? Cervelli's white shoes streaking around the base paths sparked quite the flashback.

125 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:44 pm

That's my boy!!!! YES, Curtis. Moonshot.

126 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:44 pm

That was high off the pole. Not a bad night for Granderson.

127 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:44 pm

goddam...another scary shot.

128 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:45 pm

Everybody chill. The top of the 6th was fluky. Nova had to come out, and if he wasn't pulled there you all would have been calling for Girardi's braces to be pulled out by an ice pick. Dumb luck against Logan, and Gaudin was squeezed and just a little shitty.

Does everybody feel better now? The Yanks must bring these two in.

Correctiion. Curtis murdisses it!

129 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:45 pm

Yay Grandy can!

130 cult of basebaal   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:45 pm


I like this "re-worked swing" version of Granderson!

131 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:45 pm

So do we keep Grandy in the #2 hole?

132 randym77   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:45 pm

Holy cow. I can't believe he hit that pitch that hard.

133 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:46 pm

As mad as I was at Granderson for letting that ball drop in, that is how not mad I am at him right now.

As much as I think Flaherty sucks massively - and I'm angry about his claiming that Hughes outing was anything other than not good enough - I have to credit him for his observation about Balfour. He may have been on to something, and if so, that is a great spot.

134 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:48 pm

[128] I really think you had to be ready to pull him in both of his last two innings, pitch count be damned. When that guy loses it, it's obvious he really loses it.

Waiting until he's lost it to be ready to make that move, and then bringing in Gaudin who has trouble with his control with the bases loaded (and not having anyone else ready for the biggest spot in the game) is just not ok.

135 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:49 pm

[128] I'm bothered by the internal inconsistency. Is the sixth inning with two or three run lead "low leverage"? If so, then let Nova get the third out or use Gaudin. Or is it "high leverage," such that you go straight to your lefty specialist? If so, then you have to have your BP aces set up to follow Logan. But it makes no sense to have the quick hook with Nova, go straight to Logan, and then turn the game over to...Gaudin (?!?) with the bases juiced and the lead on the line.

136 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:51 pm

[134] But had he really lost it? The score was 4-2, two outs and a man on third after he just induced a DP. One run was the product of catcher's interference. It seemed pretty clear to me that Nova had NOT lost it, let alone really lost it.

137 seamus   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:54 pm

[135] it's kind of borderline isn't it? It's too early to be high leverage per se. But it's bases loaded, one run game. so it's not super low leverage either.

138 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:55 pm

[136] It's happened too many times for me to agree with you.

No matter how it happens, it's happened time after time after time with Nova.

The guy allows big innings. However they fall off, the car has no wheels, suddenly.

Yes, there was catcher's interference. But it's like you're forgetting that the bases were suddenly loaded against a guy who had been dominant until then.

I simply cannot agree with you.

139 seamus   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:55 pm

hmm. is robertson going to be ok after going 1+ yesterday?

140 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:56 pm

[136] When I thought Robertson might not be available, I was inclined to agree that Nova should have been left in the game, but now, well, quite frankly, I have no idea what Girardi is doing.

141 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 9:58 pm

Oh crap, don't give it right back.

142 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:03 pm

[136] I'm not forgetting the bases were loaded, but once loaded he got a ground ball (erased on the interference) and a DP. Wheels or no wheels, I would rather use Nova than Chad Gaudin. And in any case, if the Girardi is going to go to his specialists in the sixth inning, he should have someone else ready and NOT have to go to Gaudin with the bases juiced.

143 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:05 pm

Using Wood and Robertson probably means they are now not available tomorrow. Wouldn't it have made sense to see if Gaudin could pitch up four? I mean, if you trust him up one run with the bases loaded, is it too much to go batter by batter up four to begin an inning?

144 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:07 pm

[143] Yep..another internal inconsistency. Of course, you forget that once Gaudin wriggled out of it (and set himself up for a win!!) it became the seventh inning. In the seventh inning, the manager must use his seventh inning guy.

145 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:08 pm

Stick it up your ass, McClellan. Fucking asshole.

146 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:08 pm

The incredible shrinking and moving strike zone. Middle of the plate belt high. Whatever,

147 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:08 pm

Holy shit! That's a strike 100 out of 100 times!!! WTF!!!!!!!

148 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:11 pm

Yikes...that pop fly kept carrying.

149 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:18 pm

Yanks need more runs in this game. Good start by Swish.

150 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:20 pm


Yep, and a DP.

What happens when a play turns tragic.

151 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:20 pm

Nice bunt, Brett. That pisses me off off more than anything. Ugh.

152 rbj   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:20 pm

Somewhere, Scooter is using an awful lot of "huckleberries".

153 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:22 pm

[151] I was going to question the wisdom of bunting in front of Cervelli, but then thought "ah, what the heck, force them to play defense," and then...well, we all saw what happened.

154 Just Fair   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:22 pm

Ball 5. Put the bat down, Frankie.

155 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:23 pm

Nice night for Cervelli.

156 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:24 pm

If Gardner isn't spending at least 20 minutes before very game working on his bunting, the Yankees are dropping the ball.

157 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:26 pm

[156] You missed the chance to opine that "if gardner is not dropping bunts...the Yankees are dropping the ball".

You can't let opportunities like that go if you want to be commissioner.

158 williamnyy23   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:27 pm

[157] Thanks for dropping the hint.

159 cult of basebaal   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:28 pm

[156] The sad thing is, supposedly he *does* take extra time before home games to work on his bunting.

160 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:29 pm

How can a player with the speed of Gardner not taught and master how to bunt since little league? That inning had the promise cut right out of it.

Gardner must be better at it if he desires a long productive career.

161 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:35 pm

[160] Isn't the most likely explanation that he has been taught to bunt and is simply not good at it? And, while I like Gardner a lot, no one is under the illusion that he will have a long career. Guys who are somewhat slow through the minors, are not heralded prospects, and don't play their first full season in big leagues until age 26 tend not to have long careers.

He is what he is: a nice little player at (probably) his athletic peak. I doubt he's going to learn too many new tricks at this point.

162 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:36 pm

[158] You know that I'm always willing to help at the drop of a hat.

163 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:42 pm

[161] You're a big fan then?

164 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:42 pm

[161] Right you are, how about a short four year productive career?

165 Eirias   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:43 pm

Brackman called up.

166 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:48 pm

What is the Yankees head-2-head record against TB. If they end up with the same records, the one who took the season series wins the Division... correct? Does 3 out of 4 give us the series?

167 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:52 pm

Well, thank you MK. 3 out of 4, and we tie for the series. So what happens if we finish with the same record and tie for the season series?

168 JeremyM   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:53 pm

[167] Paper rock scissors of course!

Actually, I think they flip a coin....

169 JeremyM   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:53 pm

Come on Mo.

170 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:54 pm

These damn Rays are like Chucky...die already.

171 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:56 pm

[163] I am indeed a big fan of Gritner...but that must be understood in its proper context. He's never going to be a superstar, but he is this season (as I predicted) and can be for a few seasons a valuable, cheap and fun player. I'm glad the organization gave him a shot rather than signing a mediocre FA to do the same or worse job.

172 JeremyM   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:56 pm

Time for my annual "Oh my God, I'm afraid Mo might be finished, what will we do?" week I guess.

173 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:56 pm

[166] Season series stands at 6-8 TB

174 RIYank   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:56 pm

I have to confess: I was thinking, "It would really suck if Matt Joyce homered." I feel terrible about it. Begone impure thoughts!

Thanks be to Mo.

175 JeremyM   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:57 pm

Whew! It was ugly, but beautiful.

176 Raf   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:57 pm

[167] They'll probably go to something like runs scored, or run differential or something like that.

177 kenboyer made me cry   ~  Sep 20, 2010 10:59 pm

Mo not surgical, but we'll take a trencherman effort. Nice game Curtis, Frankie, Swish, and Jeter.

178 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:01 pm

{167] All of your questions answered here, I think: http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/division_ties.shtml

179 RIYank   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:02 pm

I see everyone was delighted with Brett's bunt.

All I can say is, thank god Girardi put in a fucking play. That's so much better than just standing around letting Yankee batters hit and runners run. Plays are so satisfying, thrilling, and delightful. Fucking plays.

Oh, and thank god for Granderson. This game would have sucked big time without him.

180 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:06 pm

According to MLB Rule 33 (qualification for the post season), cited here:http://wiki.soxprospects.com/Rule+33

The relevant tie breaker is as follows:

2-way tie (if both teams stand to qualify for the playoffs)
* Head-to-head winning percentage
* Intra-division winning percentage
* Second half intra-league winning percentage
* Intra-league (second half + last intra-league game of first half) winning percentage (keep adding most recent first half intra-league games until tie is broken) (first half intra league games shall not include head-to-head games)
* The winner of the tie-break is awarded the Division Championship and the loser of the tie-breaker becomes the Wild Card.

181 jjmerlock   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:06 pm

These games are going to kill me.

[142] That's where we completely agree, and I don't know if you're agreeing with me or if you just missed what I typed in the posts you were responding to.

I am steamed that he had to go to Gaudin and steamed that he didn't have better options up and available.

Mo has done a lot to get me this far in life free from a heart attack, but dang, I was sweating in the 9th.

I'm very happy with the win - but even though I still think the division is a tall order with what's left on the schedule, at a certain point, you're playing for first place, you're playing that team, you've got to try to get this win - and I am still appalled by what Girardi did in the 6th.

Although being happy with the win is definitely the dominant emotion.

182 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:07 pm

[179] Indeed. Plays giveth (Cervelli's hit and run single) and plays taketh away (Brett's bunt).

183 RIYank   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:13 pm

[182] Curtis put on the Best Play in Baseball, though.

184 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:15 pm

[183] Rally killing? Sure, Best Play if you're selfish.

185 RIYank   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:15 pm

Oh, and I'm hoping Mariano can be shut down for a few days. Not during the Rays series, but I'd be fine with giving him a rest during the Sox games. I know nobody's saying anything, but he does go through a deadish period toward the end of every season (well, recently), and it seems quite likely that we're seeing it now. Just let him take a week or so off, and everything will be fine.

And one more thing. Shouldn't Javy be available for long relief? Or what the hell is his job now? I would have loved to see Javy start the sixth inning. (I know, Nova pitched brilliantly in the fifth, but he has never, to my memory, pitched a good sixth inning, not ever in MLB.)

186 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:21 pm

Considering the Tie-Break rule, and how easy TB's schedule is, we need to take 2 of the next 3 to stand a chance at the Division. If we don't take 2 of 3, frankly, I rest everyone and line up the rotation for the WC.

187 RIYank   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:24 pm

Cool facts about the Red Sox (via Pete Abe)

The Sox have the best OPS in baseball: .791.

They have scored more runs than any non-pinstriped team.

They have used 43 combinations of outfielders. (For some reason Safari thinks that 'combinations' is not a word.)

And via Joy of Sox: today in 1919 was Babe Ruth Day in Fenway Park. The Babe pounded his 27th homer. Unbeknownst to the Fenway Faithful, it was to be his last day as a Boston employee in Fenway.

188 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:31 pm

[186] Why so negative? The Yankees and Rays have almost identical intra-division records and winning percentages. Assuming they end up tied for their head-to-head series, there is a good chance the Yankees can end up with a better winning percentage in division games.

189 RIYank   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:35 pm

[188] But to split the head-to-head we do have to win 2 out of 3.

190 monkeypants   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:38 pm

[189] Well yes, I was assuming that for forensic purposes.

191 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 20, 2010 11:46 pm

After this series, the Rays have 10 games left.
6 at HOME against the M's (14th in the AL) and the O's (13th)
and 4 WAY at KC (12th).

After this series, the Yankees have 9 games left.
3 at HOME against Boston (5th in the AL)
and 6 AWAY, 3 in Toronto (8th) and 3 in Boston (5th).

Now of course, anything can happen. and if we were firing on all cylinders, I would feel OK.

But all in all considered, especially the schedules, it will be very hard to tie them, no less finish ahead.

192 OldYanksFan   ~  Sep 21, 2010 12:26 am

Records against the AL East:
Yankees: 34-26
TB Rays: 39-27

feed Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share via email
"This ain't football. We do this every day."
--Earl Weaver