pettitte get a spot in the all time yankee 5 man rotation?

[1] Yes. And I put him in the HoF. Decent enough regular season numbers, but adding in the post season numbers puts him over the edge. Sure it's an expanded post season, but that's not his fault. And baseball's postseason is not as absurd as the NBA or NHL.

Basically, Andy's pitched another season with the post season. And it's against high quality opponents.

Andy's the man in a big spot, .679 winning percentage in the post season. not too shabby.

[1] Good question. I think Ford is the clear ace, after which you can pretty much go with any of the following: Ruffing, Guidry, Gomez, Pettitte, Shawkey and Stottlemyre.

[4] I think you can make a case for Hoyt, Pennock & Reynolds, too.

[1] [4] I say yes, the four left-handers william mentioned for certain, and then a pick 'em between the 3 righties william mentioned.

Oh, and no offense to whichever of the righties wasn't picked, but the 6th starter/swingman/longman out of the pen would have to be Allie Reynolds.

I think Pettitte made the HOF with last years playoffs.

i see andy's # retired, but not getting into the hall via the writers ballot.

the stats will be borderline at best plus the PED admission. i don't know that the dust settles enough in the 15 years to sort out how much extra credit to award to pitchers of this era due to the huge offense and to sort out how much to dock a guy for using PEDs.

maybe down the road the veterans committee can make it happen.

[5] You could, but they seem to fall short in terms of both overall performance and innings pitched.

[8] By the time Andy retires and five years pass (lets say 2017), I don't think PEDs will be as relevant. I also don't think he will be held to the same scrutiny because of extent of his usage (which I think most people believe).

I also expect, Arod, Bonds, Clemens, etc. to make it into the Hall of Fame as well.

[9] Yeah, at some point, all this PED talk will get watered down.

[9] Very true - it's the old peak vs career value issue. If I have to win one series, Reynolds is in my rotation.

This is where the Cooperstown politics loses me. Guys like Pettitte, Mattingly, Bernie, Moose. They exemplify sustained excellence. They're in my Hall of Fame.

Posada too.

[14] In my opinion, the Hall of Fame is for sustained greatness... not excellence. Jim Rice and many others are watering the Hall down.

Career ERA+
Whitey: 133
Gomez: 126
Babe Ruth: 122
Guidrey: 119
Pettitte: 117
Stottlemyre: 112
Ruffing: 110