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LOOGY In Your Eye Ball

Bob Klapisch just tweeted that the Yanks are “getting closer” on Jose Feliciano. Sctach that, Pedro Feliciano.


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1 monkeypants   ~  Dec 16, 2010 10:47 am

Who the hell is Pedro Feliciano?

2 Shaun P.   ~  Dec 16, 2010 11:01 am

[1] A true LOOGY, who's pitched very well for the Mets over the last 8 years.

Except for 2007, righty batters have always given him trouble, murdered him (.283/.376/.420), so he really should be kept away from them. He does tend to keep the ball in the park, regardless of the batter (career HR/9 is .7, career SLG against is .360), but I wonder how much of that is due to pitching at least half his games in Shea/Citi.

If its an inexpensive deal, its not a bad one. The Yanks don't really have, as far as I know, a lefty relief prospect.

3 Diane Firstman   ~  Dec 16, 2010 11:07 am

Jon Heyman tweets:

#yankees called about king felix but #mariners said "absolutely not." which jibes with what gm zduriencik texted yest.

4 Diane Firstman   ~  Dec 16, 2010 11:12 am

My $$$ roto team name last season was "Denny Hocking a LOOGY"

(and yes, I know Hocking wasn't a pitcher) :-)

5 RIYank   ~  Dec 16, 2010 11:17 am

1. Jose is so fucking cool.

2. Will I be hipper if I #put those octothorpes in my comments randomly?

6 Diane Firstman   ~  Dec 16, 2010 11:30 am


just knowing that # is called an octothorpe makes you hip ....

(I for one support the preservation of the octothorpe)

7 rbj   ~  Dec 16, 2010 11:34 am

[3] So. . . , the Mariners would only like to lose 90 games next year rather than 100? It's called rebuilding. And you're in a 4 team division. Part with your ace, and get a bunch of prospects. O

h wait, who do the Yankees have as prospects. Montero & Romine are supposed to compete this year, leaving . . . Nova?

8 OldYanksFan   ~  Dec 16, 2010 12:08 pm

Pedro made just under $3m last year. He looks somewhat above average. Has a good ERA+ (127) but a high WHIP(1.372) and walks almost 3.8 batters per 9, averages 60 IP/season.

I guess he can help a bit, though I'm not sure how he manages a very good ERA+ with a poor WHIP. Dice-K-ish?

9 monkeypants   ~  Dec 16, 2010 12:10 pm

[2] Ah, a LOOGY. Is this the long-sought-after "second lefty in the bullpen", a.k.a. the guy that guarantees a 13 man staff?

10 monkeypants   ~  Dec 16, 2010 12:13 pm

[8] relievers, especially LOOGYs tend to have misleadingly low ERAs, I assume. Think about it, he faces one batter who, if he drives the runners in ahead of him, doesn't affect the LOOGY's ERA at all. Similary, if he starts the inning and, say, walks David Ortiz, there is a good chance that the next reliever (probably the "real" reliever) will in most cases clean up the mess.

Unless he gives up a HR, it's relatively difficult for a LOOGY to hurt his own ERA.

11 Yankee Mama   ~  Dec 16, 2010 12:13 pm

[6] Is the octothorpe endangered? Or is it just being misused in tweets?

I am neutral where Pedro Feliciano is concerned. Sure, why not. Are we overpaying?

12 Raf   ~  Dec 16, 2010 12:17 pm

[1] Wilkin De La Rosa's still in the system.

[7] They recently signed Hernandez to an extension, I can understand why they'd be reluctant to move him.

With Feliciano joining Logan, I guess Marte isn't expected to come back next season?

13 Shaun P.   ~  Dec 16, 2010 12:43 pm

[12] Actually Raf, I forget where he signed, but DLR is gone.

Ah, here it is! According to River Ave Blues, De La Rosa signed with the Dodgers. I'd link to it (it was posted on December 11, and based on a tweet from one of the Baseball America writers), but I don't want to have the post get lost in moderation hell.

I think anything from Marte in 2011 is just gravy.

14 NoamSane   ~  Dec 16, 2010 12:48 pm

José Feliciano is BadAss!
Love how he hung tough when he dropped his pick.

Pedro Feliciano I'd rather leave than take.

15 Mattpat11   ~  Dec 16, 2010 1:22 pm

So, how long before management remembers that Joe can't manage a bullpen with two lefties and cuts him?

16 RIYank   ~  Dec 16, 2010 1:41 pm

[10] I don't think that can be right.
A LOOGY, in particular, is just as likely to leave in the middle of an inning as he is to arrive in the middle. So the inherited runners he allows to score should, on the whole, be balanced by the runners he leaves on.

A closer is different, because he almost never leaves in the middle of an inning. I guess in the case of the Yankees, a set-up man is also going to get a huge ERA advantage, since when he does leave men on base he gets to watch His Moliness fix everything.

17 thelarmis   ~  Dec 16, 2010 1:58 pm

[5] yes, jose feliciano is very cool. and don't forget Rimsky-Korsakov, the composer! very, very cool.

RI - you and your octothorpes and ampersands!

18 monkeypants   ~  Dec 16, 2010 2:04 pm

[16] You may be correct. On the other hand, it seems to me that a LOOGY is often only deployed in very late, non-closer innings---usually the 7th or 8th. So that means the pitchers coming in to clean up his mess are usually THE EIGHTH INNING GUY and/or the closer, and not some random chump reliever. My instinct is that LOOGYs have fewer of their own runners score as the result of subsequent pitchers.

Of course, I have no idea how to prove that.

19 monkeypants   ~  Dec 16, 2010 2:07 pm

[16] Actually, don't relievers tend to have greater variance in ERA (from REALLY low to REALLY high) specifically because of the way they are used for short appearances? I thought that is why inherited runners scored was being pushed as far more valuable than ERA for middle relievers.

20 Diane Firstman   ~  Dec 16, 2010 2:24 pm


actually, "leverage" in addition to inherited runners is the measure you are looking for ...

If you are up 3 runs, keeping a runner on 1st with two outs in the 9th from scoring is "worth less" than if its a 1-run game.

21 Mattpat11   ~  Dec 16, 2010 2:39 pm

[18] I'd need to look up the stats again, but I think the majority of Logan's loogy outings when we had Marte were in the fifth and sixth

22 monkeypants   ~  Dec 16, 2010 3:34 pm

[21] Hard to tell by just glancing at his appearances on BB-reference, but here are his overall numbers:

4th: 3 appearances
5th: 5
6th: 19
7th: 16
8th: 19
9th: 6
10th+: 2

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