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I Can’t Believe I Ate the Whole Thing (AKA: Never mind that Sh**, Here Comes Albert)

Final day of the winter meetings.

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Update: Albert to the Angels. Whoa, Daddy.

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1 Alex Belth   ~  Dec 8, 2011 9:53 am

From Old Yank Fan:

A liitle news from the enemy lines:
David Ortiz accepts arbitration


The Sox offered him two years for $18 million, and in the absence of any known competition for his services, did not move off the offer.
Ortiz could expect to get $14 million to $15 million in arbitration.

The guy had an .953 OPS last year, 8th best in MLB.
The Sox are so fucking cheap. Way to make your iconic players feel good.

2 cult of basebaal   ~  Dec 8, 2011 10:13 am

Never mind that Shit, here comes Mongo, err, Pujols!

To the Angels, 10 years @ 250 million.

Guess Arte's going to have to raise the price of beer ...

3 rbj   ~  Dec 8, 2011 10:14 am

If Manny comes back, I really hope the Red Sox sign him. What a complete circus that would be.

4 Ara Just Fair   ~  Dec 8, 2011 10:52 am

[3] No chance. Manny retired instead of serving another suspension. He would still need to serve it if he came back methinks.
Sucks for St. Louis. I guess even "the GREATEST fans in the world" couldn't sway him to stay. Welcome to AL, Fat Albert. I will enjoy being able to watch you more frequently now.

5 Simone   ~  Dec 8, 2011 10:54 am

Wow, hear comes Albert to the AL! The Angels team has always been a good team, now it is stronger. The competition will be much tougher, especially if the Angels get Wilson.

The Cardinal organization is a fool. To let your greatest player leave over a difference of one year and $25 million. Pujols should have broken the remaining records there and retired a Cardinal.

6 Alex Belth   ~  Dec 8, 2011 10:57 am

5) I guess he likes red.

7 rbj   ~  Dec 8, 2011 10:59 am

[4] From reports, Manny has asked MLB to rescind his voluntary retirement, and Selig would only require that he sit out the first 50 games.

And if St. Louis couldn't up its offer from 10 year $220 million to match the Angels, the fault's with them, not Albert.

8 Jon DeRosa   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:01 am

That leaves Fielder, Darvish, Cespedes and Wilson as the big ticket guys. I definitely want the Yanks to get Cespedes and Darvish.

9 cult of basebaal   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:10 am

Joel Sherman is tweeting that the Angels have also signed CJ Wilson.

That's going to be one hell of a team and one hell of a race in the AL West (if true).

10 cult of basebaal   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:13 am

Yanks were also active in today's Rule V draft:

5.Royals take Cesar Cabral from Red Sox; traded to Yankees for cash.
29.Yankees take Brad Meyers from Nationals.

Take THAT! Red Sox Nation!!!

11 The Hawk   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:15 am

I think it's a pretty dick move by Albert. Unless he WANTED to get out of there.

On the other hand, the Cardinals front office is probably secretly breathing a sigh of relief.

12 Alex Belth   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:19 am

And Wilson, too? Dag.


13 cult of basebaal   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:21 am


Cabral was actually selected in the Rule 5 Draft last winter by the Rays, but failed to stick. The 22-year old pitched well in AA, posting a 46-16 K-BB ratio in 38.1 innings with a 3.52 ERA after dominating in 16.2 innings in high A ball. Cabral features a low-90s fastball with a plus circle change, in addition to a curveball and slider.


Meyers posted a ridiculous 116-15 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 138 innings through three levels of baseball (he threw 38 innings at AA with zero walks). He ended up in AAA with a 3.48 ERA in 95 innings. The 6'6'' 26 year old does not throw particularly hard or have plus pitches, but relies on command, believing in "pitching to contact" and throwing insisde. He has had injury problems, although they all seem to be related to his feet, rather than his arm.

14 Sliced Bread   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:24 am

Darvish it is then. Summons the Money Truck, and go gets him, Cashman.

15 cult of basebaal   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:26 am

Yeah, bring us the Hurling Darvish, Cashman, stat!

16 Jon DeRosa   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:26 am

that wilson deal seem pretty good. less than AJ? i think that's a price the yanks should have paid for him.

17 Sliced Bread   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:27 am

The Wilson price, if true, isn't too bad. I would have done it.

18 Sliced Bread   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:28 am

16) yeah, I thought it would have been more like $85m for 5.

19 Jon DeRosa   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:28 am

that was an eventful couple of minutes. rest of the time til spring training might be pretty dull.

20 Simone   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:28 am

The Angels get Wilson also. Moreno is playing hard ball. The AL West will be a bear.

21 The Hawk   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:31 am

Yeah I was hoping the Yankees would prioritize Wilson. They need a decent lefty.

22 cult of basebaal   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:43 am

Heh, from someone snarky at BBTF:

Just for fun:

2011 29 yrs old .320/.414/.631
2011 31 yrs old .299/.366/.541
What is this a reference to?

23 Alex Belth   ~  Dec 8, 2011 11:59 am

Yeah, if the Yanks could have gotten CJ for that dough...

24 cult of basebaal   ~  Dec 8, 2011 12:01 pm

It sure seems like the Steinbrothers have decided to adopt the motto of "penny wise, pound foolish" ...

25 Jon DeRosa   ~  Dec 8, 2011 12:01 pm

Thank goodness the Stros are moving to the AL West next year. Given how bad the A's and M's figure to be, the wild card would come out there no doubt. Still might.

26 Dimelo   ~  Dec 8, 2011 12:24 pm

I certainly agree with this from David Pinto.

I like the do nothing approach the Yankees are taking. I don't think Wilson was the answer for NY. I do, however, hope the Yankees have bigger things in mind via a trade.

27 cult of basebaal   ~  Dec 8, 2011 12:31 pm


The Dodgers won't be bidding on Darvish, tweets Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times, but A's assistant GM David Forst wouldn't rule it out in talking to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News hears the Rangers aren't willing to gamble $100MM on Darvish. The Red Sox are unlikely to be involved, GM Ben Cherington told reporters.

C'mon Santa, bring me a Hurling Darvish for Christmas!

28 Simone   ~  Dec 8, 2011 1:22 pm

#26 Every time a great player gets signed to a long term contract, Pinto and others repeat that mantra about the contract. Of course, the final years will likely be a drag, but if the team rakes in the bucks from the player breaking records and wins a World Series, it is a more than worth the gamble for Moreno, especially with a great sure Hall of Famer like Pujols.

29 Matt Blankman   ~  Dec 8, 2011 2:03 pm

An acquaintance of mine, a musician who happens to be a life-long die-hard Cardinals fan, posted this on Facebook today. Serious class.

"Adios Pujols! Cardinal fans are more than happy and completely satisfied with your commitment, hard work and the excitement you created in your first 11 seasons as a Cardinal. We'll miss you and hope you enjoy the money you earned. Thanks for not going to the Cubs. Looking forward to the upcoming season more than ever."

Man, I wish more fans had this attitude.

30 RagingTartabull   ~  Dec 8, 2011 2:55 pm

I'm more than a little excited that my ticket plan includes Angels on Opening Day

31 Simone   ~  Dec 8, 2011 3:12 pm

#29 Oh, lots of fans have that attitude. It is called the "we did not want you and won't miss you... that sound no, that is not us crying" attitude. LOL! Few fans ever admit when their team suffers from losing a good player to another team. Instead they try to pretend it is no big deal.

32 Matt Blankman   ~  Dec 8, 2011 3:24 pm

[31] I don't think he's saying they didn't want him at all. I think he's sincerely saying "Best of luck, thanks for all the success you brought us and enjoy your big payday." Notice he says "the money you EARNED."
He's not downplaying the loss, he's just above sniping at the guy.

33 Chyll Will   ~  Dec 8, 2011 3:51 pm

[31],[32] What are you gonna do? Pujols would have been called all kinds of fool by the media a for i>not taking $254 million from a team that could DH him in the later stages of that contract, and I doubt anyone outside of St. Louis would have considered it noble of him to stay for $220 million. Finally, a fan online who gets it; he did a whole lot for our team and has every right (never mind deserves) to take what the market is willing to bear, thanks for not rubbing it in our noses by switching sides with the our closest enemy, now let's move on and defend our championship.

Not that it ultimately matters to me, but I wonder if by saying he has the richest contract, does that mean by guaranteed money? What happened with Alex and his 10 yr/$275 mil; was the $30 mil marketing agreement included in the $275 mil or is that separate? I recall the Daily News analyzing it back when and reporting it as on-top-of base 275.

34 Simone   ~  Dec 8, 2011 3:59 pm

32# Okay, I misunderstood. I am so accustomed to the bitter sarcastic fan.

35 Matt Blankman   ~  Dec 8, 2011 4:49 pm

[33] Exactly.

36 Jon DeRosa   ~  Dec 8, 2011 4:51 pm

At least classical music fans in St Louis are happy...


37 randym77   ~  Dec 8, 2011 5:24 pm

Looks like the Cardinals offer wasn't even close. The Marlins offered more money, but refused to give him a NT.

Meanwhile, Sherman says Nakajima will refuse to accept a Yankees contract, and instead wait until next year and become a Red Sock. Bobby Valentine really loves Nakajima.

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